That Z2. Yah it stole the show alright! How does a multimillion dollar auction company not vet the bikes they are auctioning!? The guy that built the engine? The guy that did the restoration? The headstock Vin ground off? Cmon man! None of you guys caught this until after it’s sold? Stinks to high heaven. Painted the frame? So you had to grind off the vin? Bullshit Marcus! They were praying that bike sold on the internet, that way by the time it was delivered off sight there would be no chance of a canceled sale. All you guys buddying up with the owner wrecked your reputation. Just my opinion.
True, a fried bought a cheap zxr-r when He arrived WE Take a closer Look and WE See the frame was 2k glued together, grinded serialnumber And so on.. our suggest was that was a Stolen Crash Bike and 5 of us went to the seller and only after that confrontation He gave him His Money back, bevor WE showed Up He told him on the Phone Sold Is Sold..
@@truantray I really do hope you're wrong. I can't prove it one way or the other. But, having enjoyed watching Mecum Vehicle auctions on TV over the past decade or so (when comparing them to Barrett-Jackson, RM Sotheby's along with Gooding & Co.) it's clear to me that Mecum is a good bit more "boileroom" in appearance and methods. Mecum has done exceedingly well. I just hope they've done it the right way. If they haven't, I'm very sure it will come out very publicly. And it needs to come out.
Jack it looks like that Z2 is not a 74. Maybe it's a box of parts with lipstick on it? Great catch! I cant believe that Mecum didn't check the serial number on the frame? In the end I dont think the bike is worth 8 much less what it bid too. Apparently the bike didn't have a legit title either? No way, I would buy a bike at a auction that large. Buddy my triple has matching numbers and a legit title and the factory warranty book with its service history in it.
Nobody in there right mind would buy a bike without a frame number,for a high end bike like the Z2 you would expect nothing Less that matching numbers,and surely either the seller would Have noticed, or the guy who did the restoration that numbers were missing
That bozo who bought that Z2 750 for a museum did not do his due diligence. He claimed that he inspects bikes all over the USA but I would not let him inspect my turd with rare corn husks.
Jack, I am kind of old and set in my ways but you question of authenticity has been answered. If you call a fellow about this, who just sold an almost $100K bike, tells you he is a few hundred miles away and is not coming back, he came to that auction knowingly to commit a fraud
I believe the seller would get a check from Mecum. Mecum can stop payment on the check and tell the owner to come and get his bike. The seller would have to leave his name, address, Email etc. I believe he would have to show ID. I sold a car at auction and received a check from the auction house.
I prefer Reston because I like to ride my bikes. People who like perfect bikes or guys that just like to seal them up like they’re painting and they’re meant to be ridden.
There is. Only one way to prove make an x ray of the frame ! If its only grinded you can See it. The Police make this in our Country with Stolen bicycles.
Methods exist to read the number even when it has been ground away . You see, when metal is stamped, it gets displaced well down into the metal. Time to hire the expert.
Hi guys I'm in Australia and loved the video and the way the fake bike was discussed by the presenter. You are correct acid testing was used by Police in Australia to enable the ground off numbers to become once again readable. My question is this. If a restorer who went to the amount of trouble and whilst getting the frame painted should have been aware of missing frame numbers. All frames back in those days either had a riveted compliance plate or a very firm stuck on sticker opposite the frame number giving details of compliance but I'm speaking about Australian delivered machines. I have restored many H2 750 cripples along with 500Mach III.s. I could send you photos of me restoring them back in 1970s and early 80s.
The original Vin can possibly be recovered. The stamping process changes the hardness and steel structure where the stamp is struck. The steel is polished then etched with ferric chloride to bring out the image. The stamped area of the steel will etch darker than the surrounding area. Forensic science has been using this process for a long time to recover numbers off of guns that have had numbers filed off. It really depends on how deeply they cut with the grinder, but it is definitely not an accident.
I don't get it either, how can Mecam put a frame number on the paperwork, when a frame number doesn't exist on the bike? Sending a picture of the frame number before the frame was painted, still doesn't explain why the number is ground off? I already can predict the outcome 😅
Great video! Steller job. I painted lot of frames and you always ensure vin is showing. Even on low value bikes so this is the biggest blunder ever. On seller, mechum and buyer.
Wait a minute didn't you just talk up in your previous video on this bike, almost like you sponsored it, did you??? And then oops a fake, oh wow!, what happened there???
Jack is just like to commend you on acknowledging the hard work of the workers pushing the bikes. I'm almost sure they're from a temp service, since I worked a temp service and worked many auto and a few motorcycle and equipment auctions since that was the only job I could get a quick as I needed. Sometimes a little bit of kindness and praise for your work is alot to some people that aren't in the most optimal circumstances even from a stranger. Thank you❤❤❤
Of the two people i have seen go down on the highway they were both on choppers and were taken out by small head shake inducing bumps on the highway. Im a hard no on choppers. I want an engineer setting up my geometry not some meat head with some meth and a welder.😂
Great work Jack. They say, “there are no coincidences in a murder.” I believe the same holds true in a situation like this. You can usually allow one coincidence or misnomer. 1. There’s no rib on the engine cases by the engine serial number 2. There’s a very serious issue with the frame VIN. 3. This year did not have that oblong hole in the top of the frame 4. The owner painted the frame, but he took pictures before hand. 5. The owner just got nearly 6 figures and is gone. 6. You speak to the owner and he is already hundreds of miles away and is not coming back for his motorcycle. Maybe one of these could stand and the situation could be resolved. But when you’re looking at a half a dozen or more? It doesn’t look good….
Who verified the frame number when it's clearly not there, they should be held accountable also a school boy error not checking the numbers before purchasing. That's an Illegal bike here in the UK
Ohh that auction should've caught that Vin number being like that. Jack is two face as can be. Kisses the sellers ass and then Kisses the buyers ass and then gets shit started over the sale. Hahaha 😂😂😂
I have been attending these auctions since I'm 17 years old I am now 60 you better be there in person if you want to purchase a bike or car I have seen 1000's of fake muscle cars run through these auctions and was amazed by the rich drunk idiots that bought them. I would also like to mention that the guy that was being paid to inspect the bike is a incompetent fool how he got to where he is right now I don't know. I wouldn't hire him to inspect or appraise a hot wheels motorcycle sealed in the package!
It also makes an intelligent person question how diligently Mecum screens their lots when they're submitted/delivered by the consigner. And I mean ALL lots and auctions, not just bikes. The problem stems from the fact that (in this instance) the "alleged" tampering was apparently easy to see/plainly seen and it still passed through to sale w/no one stopping/holding it until the Auction had verifiable answers to the obvious questions. Questions no auction official asked.
I believe anyone who is utilizing Brady’s services as an Inspecting agent\ broker, might want to find someone else. He obviously did not do his due diligence in verifying this bike before he spent 80k of someone else’s money. Doesn’t even have a flashlight in his pocket to inspect things. He should be thanking all these guys who brought this to his attention while he could still bale on the deal. They saved his ass big time. Caught up in the moment, trying to be a high roller with a bunch of other high roller wanna be’s. This is what all these big wheels with big pockets have done to our passion/ hobby with classic bikes.
Choppers are built to the rider. For one to fit you properly it needs built to your body. I love Motorcycles, Fat ones, skinny ones, long ones, short ones, American, German, British, all big , little ones, ever since I was a child and in my mid sixties I still love them and now I am teaching my grandchildren to ride ! I like them all ! My Son built up a old 1980 Honda Cb900c for me to ride with him and his BMW 1000rr. His bike is fast ! I’m old because he out rides me now. He is a Great Son !
@@NVRAMboi I’m riding a 1980 Cb900c Honda, we are putting tires and it will be rocking again. Wonderful bike to ride. Air ride, disc brakes all around, 10 speed, 5 high, 5 low, Headers, carbs rebuilt, drilled out and synchronized, you name it and my Son has taken apart and fixed. Great Son ! I am Blessed ! Sounds great ! Keep on riding ! Pray 🙏
I think almost all of that pristine auction stuff is all half fake with tinkered with odometers, just a way to over charge some trusting dupe and make big stab of a profit!
@@RobertTrombley-g6l Alan Millyard with a Y in it ... he built the Viper bike and made 4 cylinder bikes into V8s and a Z1300 into a V12 2300cc. Worth looking up on YT
Holy S !! Can u imagine an 'inspection and bidding agent" that's done 'nothing but motorcycles for 24 years' NOT looking at the VIN until someone points its out?😵 CONGRADULATIONS Mr (unemployed) Ingelse! Can't imagine anyone hiring this hockey puck any more
If Mecum certified the authenticity of the Kawasaki , they should be responsible and pay the buyer his money back. Then Mecum should go after the seller.
What a shame about that Z2, some folk need a talking to alright ! They can still retrieve the original vin of that frame, with a electron microscope scan.
@6:25. Jack I believe the first model year for the KZ 1000A1 was 1977, with production starting in Sept 1976. I say that because I still have my 77 KZ 1000A1 that has vin numbers that verify that. Thanks for the in-depth look at all those cool bikes. 👍
@@officialmysteriousrider130 True, but I'm not selling, too much fun. Same with my H1F. You may conclude I'm a Kawasaki fan. The complete nutter machines. I'm 64 now, and had Kawasakis for nearly 5 decades. I'm in good health to sling a leg over (read what you want into that) and enjoy the ride. I ain't no slouch!
What ashame that old Kawasaki 750 can’t pass the mustard ! The seller knew exactly what he was selling. He should have told them everything. 85,000.00 that’s a big mistake ! I’d want my money back. Crazy !
I question every one of these self-appointed experts. HOW would they, unless they lived in Japan in 1974, and it looks like most of those guys would have been 10 years old in 1974, know the JAPANESE DOMESTIC MARKET? The Japanese market was VASTLY different than the US bikes. And EUR bikes. You wouldn't have a CLUE unless you worked for Honda in Japan back then.
Watching from Tokyo… I’ve been getting into Japanese vintage motorcycles here and absolutely love the scene and the bikes. I’m 58 years old and am thinking about the export motorcycle business. My dad had a Honda 350 four when I was a kid and I’m looking to purchase one here and turn it into a stock cafe bike. Man that ending was unexpected. Domo arigato!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the pipes on that CBX look like the cheapest, awful-est pipes anyone could ever have put on a CBX .........Jardines? If he put Jardines on it, imagine all the other corners he cut. NO WAY.
Why do only Lawyers and Dentist Drive Choppers/ Harleys in Europe ? Choppers are not real bikes, Like in Pulp fiction Said, only for rich unskilled Wannabebikers. In USA with their long roads without curves there is the only place to drive such a Thing. Route 66😂 Bikes are made for Curves and Mountain roads--> there Starts the fun have you Seen any fast chopper on a Bike Race track ? 😅 Not driving only strait ahead, for this Kind of driving with choppers you can save your Money and buy Car tyres.😊 Like in drag race😂 Most owners are only posers for riding to the icecream Saloon, Go to a Harley/ Chopper Meeting and have a look how many come with a Car and Trailer with the Bike INSIDE can't even Drive a few hundreds Miles with this amazing 2 wheelers with hard Suspension saddle hurtig ass and loosing screws from this 2 Zylinder 1950 Tech sensation vibrators 😁
Phenomenal video sir, I am brand new to the motorcycle world. Your videos are entertaining and informative in equal measure. Your character as a gentleman was extremely impressive with the Mr Leno and Mr Tuetul situation. You were super respectful. Love from Bonnie Scotland
I get the chopper thing but personally I would never buy one, if im going to go down the MC route I'd buy a rat bike. The vincent and the triumph I would love............... but my personal bike porn is two stokes! I wouldn't even care if it was a learne legal 125 or something .............. I'd soon derestrict it and have fun :D
Reserve auctions = The prices are fixed and only bikes going over the sellers price is sold. The excitement of getting a great deal is what auctions are all about. Take that away you are just seeing who pays the most over full price. I quit going to fixed price auctions.
I think my favorites were the Vincent, which was stunning the triumphs and I don’t care if it is the wrong number is that Z2 is beautiful maybe too expensive but it’s still a beautiful
So much BS is being dished out by the seller, that the seller should get a lifetime ban from any Mecum auctions. Who in their right mind would grind off a VIN number to paint the frame of a super rare bike. I love Mecum auctions but I wish they would have caught this right away. These days it's hard to trust anyone but we need Mecum to verify all VIN numbers and no grind marks. I wouldn't even buy a vehicle on the street that looked like that.
Luxury problems are so dumb. All I ever needed was one bike to take me where |'m going every day. I never paid more than about 3000 max, and that will buy exactly that. The rest is nonsense. Loosing sight of what's real will give you nothing but unnecessary headaches. Giving to the poor and underprivileged makes me happier than buying useless shit.
Mecum classic motorcycle clone auction. You just got scammed on an H2 clone by some criminals. Mecum is well known for their sketchy motorcycles. shawty investigation into motorcycle authenticity. They could care less if you get screwed they got their 10%. I would never buy a motorcycle from that joint, just like everything else in Vegas you only get ripped off.
Heck I can’t believe the money people have to spend for some of these bikes Heck I couldn’t get one for 500.00 I haven’t been on one since about the yr 2000
So i desperately wish you woud say what the bikes these bikes sold for much more ? I t will creoate a follower who can be up to date, educated fan ! A follower who has no fears of being ripped off during the purchasing of a classic bike ! Please keep the criticism positively inspiring because i think you're videos are Ace's and i appreciate you for the bitchin content ! Maybe just post a list of the sale final sale price somewhere in the description would be AWESOME !!
Here’s the thing I can’t wrap my head around about the Z2. I restored my 1974 Z1 to near perfect myself and I ride her and love her. Whenever I go to any motorcycle meet with vintage bikes around, the first thing I see people do is look at my frame number on my Z1. How the hell can anyone! Not catch this! I just can’t believe it, Mecum I think is going to have a hard time recovering from that. I just wondering if the owner just messed up when he powered coated the frame and didn’t cover the VIN number and he’s trying to recover from the screw up.
Had several 750 Fours used that engine in a Quad for ice drags, the fastest bike i owned and was king of the hill the KZ900 said you cant out run a cops radio here to tell you i made it home twice on a bad speed situation and i knew my plate was not seen.. The good ole days alot of super fast bikes made during the 70's.
Wonder where the seller is from, there's one state in particular where this kind of fraud is commonplace. If you go to the Moultrie swap meet in Georgia & see a car from Alabama, "run Forrest run"
well one of the rarest bike on the planet and has never been in a Auction yet is the 1960/61 Norton Manxman 650 twins now sunset motor started with a Norton manxman 650cc motor fitted in to a drag bike and blow off a Vincent black shadow the Norton was ridden by T C Chistsonn
Scammer employed a social engineering hack of someone at the auction house? Getting them to accept a bike, thinking they have seen something when they haven't. Don't know the set up but would think it should land on auction house to settle. edit: Well handled.
Kawasaki Z2 seller = scammer!!! Mecum needs to do a hell of a lot better job at their certification process before these bikes go live on the auction block.
You Know I appreciate your videos but I wish you would show more when it comes to bikes. Meaning we don’t need to see every bartender at Daytona or any bike week the bikes are the main attraction just saying.
omg the cbx , back in 88 I had one of my riding buds had one , he called it the flying brick. he was 6'5 and went 3ish lbs. we would have swaped on rides but I rode a VFR and he did'nt fit. but I rode his bike many times and loved it , Great bikes. Great Friends + Great times
There is an acid etch test that can be done to show what the number was, as the original stamping will have left the imprint deep in the metal, and although the surface has been ground down, it will still retain the number sub surface.
Watching from ireland great show,love watching the Indians old or new ,mee,s flat tracker and Italian bikes !also dirt bikes too.nice husky’s and maico,s
