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Rate my thermal flying and help me improve as a pilot - Mount Caburn 16/3/2024

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This is Mount Caburn on 16 March 2024.
I am now thermalling with other pilots more often, but this can still be a nervous affair.
I am hoping that I get some comments on how to thermal with other pilots in a way that helps me stay out of the way and makes me more welcome in thermals.
If you notice anything from this video that you think will help me improve my thermal flying, please drop it in the comments.
To new pilots, I hope this helps you go round and round safely and also improves your own thermal flying.

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@CoIoneIPanic 5 месяцев назад

When blue the sky bully asks why you didnt circle your response to him could have been to insult his mum. I applaud your restraint.

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

My favourite comment all year!! I try to play nice.... I'm still a noob 🤣

@CaionoAr 4 месяца назад

It is always better to do a smaller circle in the stronger lift than a wider in weaker lift. If people are going ultra wide u can close more your circle for better climb You are doing great, but i think you can improve your weight shift moving your head and body to the other side o risers, not just only the leg

@jacquecilliers 4 месяца назад

Yes my weight shift could be better.. I'll work on weight shift next time

@ParaglidingScotland 5 месяцев назад

Re the comment (while you're circling right so ROLLED / banked right) "I can feel the core is on my left".... sometimes (may/may not be the case that time) a pilot will FEEL 'lift on opposite side of the turn direction' due to their wing being rolled... so (in this case) the LEFT 'wing' is level(ish) while the RIGHT 'wing' is angled at closer to 45° to any vertical ('thermal') upwards moving air.... hence it FEELS like more lift on the left side than right... NB this was a subject we (David & Gabe with myself) covered on The Paragliding Show (on World talk Radio) 😀

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

Oh this is interesting!! I'll have to keep an eye out for this next time it happens. Thanks for that. This strengthens the case for remaining in a steady circle and only making small adjustments when flying... right?

@ParaglidingScotland 5 месяцев назад

@@jacquecilliers in Aviation ('proper aircraft' especially) students are taught to 'trust the instruments' rather than relying on human senses which evolved for a '2D' life (predominantly a ground based existence).... in teaching paragliding one aspect of HP&L training I emphasize is the danger of using (mainly inner ear information) your sense of 'movement' as a base of PG control inputs. Example: "student imagine your in a high speed lift, you got on at the ground floor and are now halfway up to the 100th floor (so been going UP for quite a few seconds) when someone (waiting for the lift) presses the 'call button' on floor 53.... what sensation will YOU feel?' The answer is YOU will (as the STILL RISING lift starts to slow 'down'...) WILL FEEL YOU ARE FALLING.... Hence in paragliding, unless VERY close to the ground AND paying full attention, any time the wing/pilot enters WEAKER LIFT... they WILL (inner ear etc) be subject to the sensation of "sink"... this, coupled with 'normal training', tends to result in control inputs which are the opposite of what the pilot generally SHOULD undertake... NB (for very good reasons) PG varios audio alerts are NOT set to indicate small variations in altitude (no bleep in short minor lift... no burp in decreases of altitude lower than 200ft/min..) So as humans (inner ear etc again) have extremely limited sensitivity to the VALUE of speed in comparison to sensitivity to ACCELERATION (CHANGES in velocity) it takes a lot of HP&L training to make SAFE pilots 😎 FYI HP&L Human Performance & Limitations (one of the six main parts of Aviation Training and Examinations

@scenicsteve 5 месяцев назад

Hey Jacque. Great video and commentary. I love the way you are open and honest about your flying, wanting to improve and have more fun. As you know I’m at a similar level to you and relatively new to thermalling with others. Overall really good considerate flying. My only observation would be when you were initially 360ing with the light blue (Gin Bonanza 3 I think). I would have continued following him in the 360 as he appeared to be in the stronger portion of the thermal and drifting back towards Mount Caburn. It’s always a tough balancing act in situations like that and you can’t always please everyone in the sky. Looking forward to seeing you on the hill again soon and getting on some XC adventures together. 👍

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

Yeah I see what you're saying. We all try our best and sometimes we get in other peoples way a little... as long as we are safe and looking around, we should be fine. Thanks for the observations... I'll be applying these lessons on the next visit to the hills. Good to see you on Saturday... can you do something about the weather now?

@scenicsteve 5 месяцев назад

100% and unfortunately we are all human and can make mistakes. We just have to minimise the errors and maximise the enjoyment. Catch you soon. 😀

@neilharris399 5 месяцев назад

id suggest you doing fine Jaque. Its a learning curve and every day can be different as can every thermal. When you are with others then you need to focus on the others so that you obviously avoid them, but also to closely watch if they are going up faster than you or slower and this again will vary on their 360 circle. From watching, you can better identify the core sometimes, or at least the stronger parts and edges of thermals. Once on your own, then it can be easier as you can wander wherever you want and lock in the centre arm, varying the 360 with your outer arm with no concerns. if everyone can core the thermal precisely, then you wont have the conflict you found, but this is rare when there is such a mix of experience and you dont know who is who. Keep practicing with groups and you'll have more confidence, and you'll also piss off the occasional pilot as he thinks you are in his way and had to alter course. You will probably have to do the same as him and just as frequent. So keep it polite and apologise if needed. Shouting abuse rarely is effective at making the thermalling better.

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

Thanks Neil. It's good to know that I'm doing ok. It's always intimidating when flying with better pilots in a thermalling situation. Where do you fly?

@mr_jamesparker 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for this Jacque - really useful.

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

No worries. Out of interest. What did you find most useful?

@ParaglidingScotland 5 месяцев назад

Main point I'd make is MORE observation, 20sec to 60sec constantly looking forward & right, in each of the clips you tend to remain looking in the turn direction. I've flown a lot with mixed aircraft (hang gliders and sailplanes) where there is a large variation in airspeeds... and climb rates... hence I spend a LOT of time with retraining pilots working to get them into the habit of full 360° (horizontal AND vertical) Airspace Checks every 20-30seconds 👍 NB when flying on my own as a minimum I do a 360° check every 60 sec, PS I'll often ***comment*** (aloud) on camera when filming about 'Airspace Checks' while not turning my head for better (steady) video.

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

Got it... It is more difficult than I thought flying with others in gaggles. I'll certainly make an effort to look around a lot more now. Thanks for the advice.

@dominicbrown5733 3 месяца назад

I think blue is one of the doddery pilots who fly the southern sites and who aren’t really aware of what is going on around them. I’d fly tighter 360s if he/ she/ they is flying indecisively!

@ParaglidingScotland 5 месяцев назад

Airspace Checks requires finding a ballance between playing multi opponents chess in your head (predicting PROBABLE moves of the other 'players') where you GREATLY improves 'target acquisition' (time it takes to spot each glider) which SHOULD be where/near your prediction estimates it will be in (say) 30 sec time... on every 'spotting' you update BOTH current position AND that pilots 'flying pattern'... The other bit of 'balance' is looking at the take off (prioritize) and landing areas to update current (and near future) number of aircraft flying. Additional Airspace (rules) factors: Example- flying a ridge site with a road (or other ground feature) running in/out from/to the ridge... In this case pilots punching 'out away from the ridge' SHOULD be keep the ground feature to their LEFT.... and any returning (flying back to the ridge lift) pilots SHOULD (from THEIR perspective) also keep the feature on the LEFT... Note! from almost 30years of RE-training UK pilots very few know/correctly apply Air Rules, but remember EVERY PG pilot can work to improve flight safety by promoting PRACTICAL use of Air Rules 👍

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

I'm interested in RE-training UK pilots. What does that intail?

@ParaglidingScotland 5 месяцев назад

@@jacquecilliers Hi, first I have a background in science, when I got my first PG (mid 90's, it was already 10+years old) I'd already started flying (what is now known as 'speedflying' using a wing I'd had custom made for me) the old wing (two riser design) I then got heavily Modified regarding the rigging/risers, this was then the first test-bed (next was a comp wing) wing I used to confirm the ACTUAL Physics involved in PG flight. Ok back to your question (RE-training) the core is me asking students "were you taught x,y&z? Also are you happy that x,y&z ARE correct?" Once established they DO believe & trust what their instructor told them ... I ask them a series of simple 'kitchen sink' (basic) level Physics questions... following discussion of their OWN answers... WE quickly establish that almost everything they were basing THEIR personal flight safety on... MUST be incorrect/false! Finally using PRACTICAL demonstrations coupled with the discussed Physics WE (together) work to reverse their first 'training'

@jacquecilliers 5 месяцев назад

@@ParaglidingScotland My background is in biology and research and development in fermentation.