In the Persona series, "Nyarlathotep" represents every suppressed evil trait of Humanity, essentially all the evils Humanity has committed or will commit as part of the collective unconsciousness. Basically, an eldritch abomination residing inside everybody's hearts. Philemon is his exact opposite, as well as his other half.
Nyarlathotep doesn't represent evil traits just the negative traits of the CU(Half). Evil is Negative but Negative isn't always evil. Philemon is the other half of the(positive) CU. But he is also an arrogant ass who doesn't really care about lives just their decisions.
@@thanatoast8869 Sort of. He's supposed to have 1000 different forms, but I don't think it's always evil people. Hitler was simply one of them. For those who didn't know, the Time Castle shop owner was another form Nyarlathotep took. P2 Eternal Punishment pretty much confirms it.
“Understand that there is no point in living… CRY that there is NO answer !! Where there is Darkness, there are Shadows… And I, MYSELF, am ALL of you Humans !!” - Crawling Chaos, Nyarlathotep
All this time, I thought that dad had just went to the convenience store, but he instead turned into a scary, world-ending Lovecraftian horror. *Great.*
It'd be an awful shame for persona-verse to ever see his return. After the events of innocent sin and eternal punishment, him coming back would definitely result in the world being thrown into the depths of chaos and destruction once again. 💀 the shadow of humanity itself.
I have the feeling that he will never return. This character just like Philemon was created by the team that left Atlus before P3. This is very common among Japanese studios, the same happened with Resident Evil 2 which was almost rebuilt from scratch.
Innocent SIn endgame spoiler: The only mastermind to actually succeed and achieve his desired outcome at the end of the game. It was such a mind-blowing shock to me back then, lol. And then, you go onto Eternal Punishment and come to the sad dissapointment that Maya has no dialogue b/c "voiceless m/c" syndrome. Shame, she had a great personality in Innocent Sin.
Nyarlathotep killed almost all of the Earth's life, forcing a new reality to be made that he almost repeated the plan in. Considering how stopping a planet's orbit tends to burn it on one side, I'd say long-term the planet itself is doomed. Plus Sumaru citizens probably got slaughtered by the demons Nyarlathotep sent to further reduce survivor numbers thus hamper genetic diversity, not counting the potential damage to the ecosystems of Earth.
thats what makes it such a good story, it breaks the mould of "hey old man god u better stop that or you will face the power of friendship!" and just cuz of that they die or have a change of heart or smt. this truly shows the difference and extent of a true gods power compared to a helpless group of humans
i still find it funny how the innocent sin cast are a bunch of kids with maya in the mix, and the eternal punishment cast are adults. Its like they're saying "leave, the adults are talking"
In case anybody who decided to make a Slenderman comment pops up, though that's probably not happening now... Going from Lovecraft here, but... Is the man that stalks you in the forest truly terrifying? Or are the dozens of strangers you pass everyday more terrifying? Before you answer, allow me to rephrase my second question. Are the dozens of faces of one stranger you pass everyday more terrifying?
I'd like to make a another question, which you fear more: Some thin white slender figure merely picking off individuals Or A immortal evil incarnate that ends realities at whim? Not just ruining people on individual level. THE embodiment entropy and insanity.
+Narania234 If memory serves, Outer Gods are older than the concept of time, older than the cosmos. The Great Olde Ones like Dagon or Cthulhu might be as old as the cosmos, but beings like Nyarlathotep are the true ‘Eldritch Ones.’ Having existed long before the first Material Plane came into being.
Normal Persona players: "Nyarlathotep is described as the destructive side of Humanity's collective unconscious, and as such, the living embodiment of Mankind's collective evil; every thought, action or feeling that derives in experiencing the desire to bring harm to others or oneself in any form fuels Nyarlathotep's existence." Me: "LOL I'm in a knife fight with Hilter"
If you're talking about the part at 0:58 that's actually been part of the opening for both of the games, both PS1 and PSP versions. This song is actually referencing the openings rather than the other way around. Same way Knights of the Holy Lance starts up the same way as the intro songs
Nyarly was the best Persona antagonist to date. Can't wait to see if whoever it is for P5 will top him. I doubt it but I will give it a chance to see :D
I feel like he will come back as the final boss for P5. The only real hint is futaba's persona(necronomicon) and that there is a traitor. I feel like this traitor could be either nyarly disguised or possessing futaba or futaba being manipulated into doing it by him.
yukari's father said that "He(Kouetsu Kirijo) won't listen, no matter what i say... He's under the devil's spell..." i wonder if this devil is nyarlathotep. the events of p3 play 2009 10 years before the experiment that went wrong that means around 1999 right? 1999 plays and ends persona 2. this is way to close.
Personally though, some people didn't like it but I think they did a good thing by letting him rest for a while.Sure,it was a nice setting but after two games, I honestly liked the shift from a malevolent entity to goddesses who bear no ill will. Nyarl manipulated events to try to drive his point, but in the later games it turns out humans, if left alone, have the potential to drive themseves to ruin on their own, or even wish it.
I like how lovecraftian this song is, which fits Nyarly very well, imo. I hope he comes back in a future game alongside this theme. ... ... Though it sucks that it is just as likely as P3MC's return... :/
I mean I guess it would make sense that of all beings Atlus choose from the Cthulhu Mythos it would be Nyarlethotep. He's the most interactive with humans and he can appear in many forms. While most others are just unimaginably powerful beings that don't give humans even a fleeting glance, Nyarlethotep just loves to fuck with us. I love him so much.
Persona 1 and the 2 duology are pretty much my favorite Persona games. And im probably the only one who loves those two games, because most people I see gloat over Persona 5 and Makoto Nijima. It's fine by me, but please don't rub it in my face. :(
Dont worry bud. Am a hardcore Persona 2 fangirl. I still deem it as the best Persona game in the series by a long shot coz of its story and characters. Plus the stakes were highest on P2 than any other Persona game.
@@nekotorin Yeah I think that’s why 2’s my favorite as a whole. I don’t feel like anything I’ve played quite like this, it felt like there was so much at stake and actually was engaging. Before I played the p2 duo 1 was my favorite, but EP has a special place in my heart. I just love everyone from 1 and is/ep allot. As for the “grinding” to me it felt like a Pokémon game, it’s not easy obviously but not that hard and with persona it always felt so rewarding and I love the 1/2 music so much I never minded. My only qualm with people that become introduced into p2 literally only care about shipping Jun with Tatsuya from what I’ve seen on people making actually p2 content then forget about the games, and don’t wanna even acknowledge ep, which was so damn fun and great😐 I mean persona/smt youtubers and those kinds of people are obviously the exception but it drives me insane
i literally havent even beat 1 or innocent sin but eternal punishment was great (dont ask me why i played it in the order i did) and i prefer persona 1 and 2 over 5 and 3 any day.
The character of Nyarlathotep, the "Crawling Chaos", predates SMT and Persona by decades. He is a character invented by American Horror-SciFi Author H.P. Lovecraft in 1920 in the sort story by the same name. He supposedly has a thousand forms,which explains why he would appear differently in different games.
I really do love this theme, shame about the remake being shit and unable to replicate that "Crawling Chaos" Squirming effect that whatever instrument in this track is is doing, I mean it feels similar to the effects in the "Thing" theme music, except put to a more immediate imminent danger kind of feel.
In the P2 PSP versions, you can switch the music between the original and remix. Then again, I only heard this version of the song (still doing the temples) so what do I know.
it does, ESPECIALLY since the instrumentalization of the PSP version has tuba's that surpress the dread that this song has going for, as it's trying to be more then it the original track here should be.
Dear lord the final bosses of both p2`s were insane i was there for over an hour on Eternal Punishment and i loved every second of it. That rush of emotions when he finally died, i think were in mid 70s for levle
Eternal Punishment (PSX) was sooo easy compared to IS (PSP) and the whole time I was hearing that EP was “hellishly difficult” then when I got into Persona 3... even the hardest difficulty’s were... pathetically easy.
ุ ุ are we living on the same plain of reality here? Innocent Sin on the PSP was the easiest gaming experience i’ve ever had, the closest I had been to losing, was when Nyarlethotep killed everyone except Tatsuya. There was not 1 time where I changed the characters Personas. So I dont know what your talking about when you say any other Persona/SMT game is harder that IS PSP
@@Mucblaster24 every boss on the psp version was nerfed to make the difficulty ridiculously easy Beacuse atleast released the psp remasters around the same time as persona 4 golden and believed it was too hard for their new audience
Sounds more likea century to me. Although you'd think more people would recognize a Lovecraftian monster when they see it. Either way, I like how they use the fact the stablished settings about him well. For example, having him take the guise of the main characters in order to drive them mad, pretending to be a "Persona" in order to manipulate events. Heck, even the bet plays well into the fact Nyarlathothep's main goal is to drive humans insane and revel in chaos.
As it is, it's very heavily implying that Nyarlathotep may make his return very soon, especially with more members of the Velvet Room group becoming involved. Makes me wonder what'll come with P5 at this point.
Let me tell you that Life has no meaning. No matter how hard we overcome despairs, you all will never find the "truth"! The true darkness of this world, the nega-side, therefore! I am the mirror of the human... my very existence is... The very PERSONAlity that HUMANKIND are born with!
I don't know, I feel like P5 will disappoint me hard... I want a dark and mature plot, and no game with a cat version of El Zorro as a persona gives any chance of it.
eeyuup Lmao, that's just like nyarlathoteph throwing a tantrum when philemon's army defeated him and turning around his dad like: "papa, these were the ones that bullied me"
Asmodeus (probably misspelled his name) is stated as one of the bosses alongside Madarame and the fly. So who knows? Nyarly making a comeback would be epic!
Considering in the Lovecraft mythos, Nyarlathotep is pretty much the soul of Azathoth, yeah its pretty much game over. It will be up the the Shin Megami Tensei protagonists to face that guy and even then I think only Tadano (Strange Journey's protagonist), Abel (Devil Survivor 1's protagonist), Demifiend, Aleph, and Nanashi (from SMT4 Armageddon) would be the only ones strong enough to win that one
Atlus really blue-balled me with P4 Arena's Malevolent Entity being a poor man's Nyarlathotep. But then again, I guess it's for the best since the Crawling Chaos would wipe the floor with the Investigation Team and the Shadow Operatives with ease.
P1 and P5 would have much trouble with him. Unlike P3 and P4, P5 can switch characters and P1 can easily switch Personas (with a penalty of a missed turn, and wrong persona=you're fucked). Thus why P2 were the perfect protagonists against him, since they all were practically "Joker" or the "Fool" and they can easily use the least compatible Personae.
I'm already crossing my fingers for Atlas to do a Persona collection for both PC and consoles including Persona 1 Persona 2 Persona 3 Persona 4 and Persona 5 in one package I would pay $70 for that please somebody start a petition to get these games remastered and re-released
it is not just you ChaoticNarrative, the ps1 music version is way better than the psp version, but it was expected, nonetheless, this game is one of the best games i have ever had the privilege to play and clear, another gem from an era where rpg's were the games to follow.
Persona 2 EP was such an awesome game but was it hard.Was it necessary to make this ass level 99.It took me forever to beat this guy and with only 2 soma's to my name.In my opinion this is the hardest SMT game I've played harder than Nocturne that's for sure.
Personally, I always considered Slender Man to be a "mask" (no pun intended) of Nyarlathotep. The Lovecraftian one, anyway. The whole "faceless" thing a fairly common theme for the Black Pharaoh.
after i realised that not only nyarlathotep is in this game but cthulhu as well is here that led me to a crazy theory ¿what if the final boss of persona 5 is lovecraft himself?
@@mammothplant The Persona of Azathoth more specifically not Azathoth himself which I'm still waiting for. If him and Nyarly return P6, then honestly I don't how the hell they're gonna win. Unless Tatsuya and some older characters return somehow, it sounds like another W for the villains.
i respectfully disagree. i think "Mist" and Battle for Everyone's Souls" are excellent final battle themes. i do admit that this theme is well made, and even though i haven't played Persona 2 *yet* i am sure this theme fits it's respective boss well to.
Still hoping for Nyarlahotep to be either a boss or a unlockable persona in Persona 5 Royal. Either that or Philemon appears together with Nyarlahotep as his persona.
That's what I meant. I know that a monster called Nyarlathotep appeared in several of Lovecraft's works. But, the Nyarlathotep from Persona is only based off Lovecraft's monster; he isn't the actual monster itself. They aren't actually the same being, so the Persona-Nyarlathotep is only named after Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep.
The Slenderman is probably a mutated version of the Silence from Doctor Who. My headcanon is that Doctor Who's version of Nyarlathotep is the Great Intelligence-their both malevolent, beyond human description and can exist as minds without a body.
Slender Man: created for a meme sight in 2007. Nyarlathotep: comes from a game released in 1996, -this version comes from 1999- but his name has been around since the 1920s.
There IS an orchestral remake of this theme. It's the PSP version, which never came out in America. In fact, this is the same final boss theme from Innocent Sin - and the remixed version of Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment sound exactly the same. So basically just look up "Innocent Sin PSP Final Boss Theme" and you got it.