@@gamernerdcd9706 i always thought Dick never met Jason. In Arkham Knight i wish there was a long dlc where Nightwing, Robin and Red Hood work together. I actually made my own dlc story as an imagination😂
In my opinion, Jason's redemption isn't that great in the Arkham universe. The whole reason he picks the identity of Red Hood is to taunt Joker and Batman. Joker was the first red hood until Batman dropped him into chemicals. It was Batman's greatest failure. The fact that Joker in this universe is dead and Bruce is presumed dead shows that Jason picked the name for no reason.
Between Dick's old relationship with her, Jason's protectiveness, and Tim eventually marrying her, I've had this headcanon recently that ALL of the Robins in the Arkhamverse had a crush on Barbara. Jason would DEFINITELY have tried to end Joker for crippling her if he was around during the Killing Joke era.
Funny thing is in the movie death in the family, when a reformed joker tells the joke he told batmab in killing joke, Jason remembered it and what he did to Barb
@Montesama314 that's from under the red hood if I remember correctly. And he is right. Too bad the best route I'd the one where batman dies and Jason gets revenge.
That moment you realize that all the Robins are most likely roaming somewhere during the events of Arkham City. Dick and Tim are playable in challenge map dlc, and Jason literally feet away from Bruce and Tim at a rooftop in Arkham City and Jason even kills Tweedle Dee and Tweedle dum after the story ends in the prequel comic to Arkham Knight. Damian is referenced after a night of passion between Talia and Bruce.
That wasn't Jason, it was probably joker, why would Jason go in Arkham city only to spy on batman, remember that Jason had to build an army with scarecrow and train.
@@j_islam7869 because he hates and is obsessed with Batman Jason knew that he could never take on Batman but had to survey him to see what knew gadgets he made.
@@spiderwitt459 he can literally just go back into the batfamily, then when Bruce is unmasked, kill him, if he could organise an army, then he could bring a gun into the Wayne mansion/batcave, or sabotage him on a mission. It was said to be joker taking that picture
@@mad_titanthanos Because Tim was his replacement while he was stuck in Arkham asylum with Joker. He's obviously going to not like him. I wish they had gotten more time on screen together themselves.
It’s actually so sad when you realise that batman thought Jason was dead the whole time he was at arkham, he was left with joker for 2 years in the abandoned wing at arkham and was tortured daily, no wonder Jason was blinded by rage, he thought he had been abandoned.
I can tell Jason was considering coming back once he asked about Alfred. Then Scarecrow came in and he told him “if anyone hurts her he’s a deadman” I know after that he was having second thoughts
Bruce would've known Jason was there. If he was there, he'd have been using bruce's methods. Bruce would've felt something off and known he was being watched.
You are entirely correct. In fact, the picture was not taken by Jason, it was taken by what seems to be one of Joker’s men. The reason of this being that Joker shows the picture to Jason when he is being tortured in Arkham Knight. You can go into photo mode and see for yourself that it is in fact the very same picture.
I mean if he didn’t see him can you blame the man. He was concentrated on saving the city and at the same time trying to save himself. From a unknown illness that was slowly killing him.
@@arsenalapex But that just proves my point. The entire scene played out was recorded on a camera and then sent from Joker to Batman. Joker wanted to trick Batman into thinking that Jason was dead so that he would stop looking for him. Joker knew that Jason’s body armor would protect him from the bullet and as a result would knock him unconscious instead. It’s proven in the Arkham Genesis comics.
@@Mr_Sykes It the prequel comics it is implied Jason escaped during the events of Arkham Asylum, before Arkham City, so that is a continuity error or not the picture
I know Jason becoming Red Hood is a big thing for him, but just once I'd like to see a series, game, or movie where he's Robin for a while. Give me a chance to actually connect him to some good times before he gets beaten with a crowbar, y'know?
Idk about you but I had no problem connecting with Jason in the Under The Red Hood movie. They show that he was a badass Robin with natural fighting instinct.
Jason definitely took the picture at number 2. I wonder if he was going to tell Bruce he’s alive, but then Tim shows up as Robin. Imagine how that must feel especially after everything Jason’s been through. You see your parental figure just ahead of you but right when you’re going to show them you’re still alive another kid pops up right in front them wearing your clothes. A replacement of you! It would shatter most people’s hearts
rocksteady said that jason was inside one of the houses on the rooftops that you've just visited. Cause the photo of batman and robin is too low and steady. And if he was there then robin would've spotted him on that rooftop.
Thing is, Jason was right about the mission part, that's why almost no one else wanted to be THE Batman. It mean bot being human, it meant having no TRUE connections. It meant always having the mission first and people second.
Not really in case for arkham batman i mean he dedecates all his time effort and rescources into finding Barbara even when Alfred and Joker tried to convince him to go after scarecrow instead even when Joker tried to convince him Barbara was dead. Instead of choosing the mission he chose to save Barbara. He did the same when Jason was kidnapped that's why Barbara said "you're wrong" after Jason said that. Bc Jason is wrong.
@@Gamer-Wolf. yeah. Arkham batman is different from comic batman. Batman in comics, around the time of UTRH totally is, everything Jason said about him was true.
Only once he was resurrected, before then no one liked his robin and so I’m pretty sure the writers did a poll to see if they should kill him or not and so they did. But then a writer brought him back and a lot of people loved him from there
Something I just thought about... Jason was meant to be found during the events of Arkham asylum. He was tortured in Amadeus’s cell, the abandoned wing. The symbols on the floor are proof of that. In the comics, Deathstroke was supposed to kill Todd. But Todd offered him 3 times his bounty that night. He escaped when the alarms first went off, so when we go in, it’s empty. We had to go through the cell in order to get through an objective. So it’s entirely possible that Jason was meant to be found. It would explain Joker’s dialogue about Batman fighting better than he should.
This has to be the best retelling of the Under the Red-hood story I’ve seen so far honestly, knowing that Jason was watching Bruce and Tim during Arkham city and finding out he was in an abandoned part of the Arkham asylum really makes you understand how Batman was so oblivious to Jason still being alive, he’s been a key part of the Arkham-verse story and no one knew
It's really interesting how Arkhamverse Jason was tortured for over a year and became an angry and tortured soul Under the red hood Jason was alot more stronger even when he was tortured by joker dude didn't give a fuck although the torture didn't take too long, and when he was revived by the Lazarus pit... He was only pissed on why batman never crossed the line with joker
In the Arkham comics (dk if it's Canon cuz it's a convoluted timeline) Jason was at the steel mill looking over joker about to kill Batman then the real joker sees Jason and tells him it's all part of the act
@@swirlybeast3405 yeah but Jason definitely was in Arkham city as the Arkham Knight and showed up after the ending of Arkham city when batman flew away
I think the confusion has to do with the change in writers. Paul Dini wrote Asylum and City in a way that they could mesh with Batman the Animated Series, which skipped Jason Todd and made Tim Drake the second Robin. In fact, Robin's bio in City implies the same thing happened. But it seems DC wanted Knight to mesh with the comics specifically, so Jason was retconned in at the last minute.
I wish Jason had his own game instead of playing second fiddle to Scarecrow. He had way more impact then anyone to Batman. Batman: Arkham Knight could've been a good name still to keep the arkham title theme but Batman: The Red Hood is really good.
I think this may be true. Because Joker was too weak to keep Jason during Arkham city fight his disease. Because in Arkham knight he shot and appeared to kill Jason and joker looked healthy. So I think it was actually Jason who took the pictures. Also the knife on Batman in the picture kinda says it’s Jason. I hope in the future they make a game where Batman is against Jason for a while and then he finds out it’s Jason, and Batman actually gets to help Jason.
Spot# 2 by the angle of the shot and distance alone. It's so creepy to think that he was right there the entire time. I would have loved to see the audio recording played out
When Bartman and Robin were talking at 7:04 there is a sign behind them that says “You are under close surveillance” they were teasing us and we didn’t even know it
This shows that he cares about Barbara and Alfred, he just feels hurt by Bruce. He doesn’t want to kill Bruce out of hatred, he wants to kill Bruce because he thinks that Bruce is the reason he was tortured by the Joker. He thinks ending Batman will end his pain. In the end Redhood loves Bruce like a father, but his anger clouds his heart. And like he said in the end, if someone hurts Barbara (like his sister) than they’re bye bye bad guy
i thnk it wouldve been cool if in the remaster they added a figure in the background of the game watching. like in arkham city you could spot him on one of the rooftops but when you see him he throws a smoke and vanishes
@@dibbage Yeah. It would also add a sense of continuity. Because Jason Todd wasnt really shown until Knight so seeing him in City as the Knight would've been cool.
These games have some of the best detailed environments I have ever seen and they manage to add new things without screwing with the continuity, almost like they planned it from the beginning. They probably did. Also I should listen to the audio logs more often.
I really hope one day we could find a huge Easter egg of Jason within Arkham asylum and Arkham city like finding the room he was in or seeing a flash of light representing the flash of the camera he used to take the picture of Tim and Bruce
I love how the is a billboard that says “you are under CLOSE surveillance” right under the area the picture was taken! The detail in these games and the obvious detail that they were going to make Red Hood in the next game is crazyyyy
The fact he had sparks of being merciless as robin already proved he wasn't ready to be a hero yet and still he got involved into something that's red while he was still too green to reach. It scares me every time I see the young is reckless and just goes to take the risk, got himself killed. When things go like this I'm wondering if the evil people are right, like Joker and Jason like he says you shouldn't have involved his friends into this crazy little game of theirs, and yet he ignored that and now look what happened, surely he should be a hero with no hope to live his ONW earned peace till he dies. Just so sad that I can't cry anymore.
Very true, I never even thought of that. I doubt it was joker tho because at that time he was incredibly sick. It could have even been a drone like in Arkham origins.
I am so grateful to you DiBBagE for introducing me to Arkham, it has changed my gaming experience entirely, and has such an immersive experience. Jason's torture is the worst part of it, and you cover it in a lot of depth, and for that, I thank you:)
Not many people know this but there was a off screen character named the Rat King that escaped Arkham Asylum in the first game and was placed in City. Well, this character that was off screen but canon to the game. When Hush had revealed his self to look like Bruce Wayne and that's the last we saw him. He walked up on Rat King and he thought he was Bruce Wayne. So Rat King tried to kill Hush and the Arkham Knight (Jason) showed up and killed him. By that time, him and Scarecrow were already working together and they wanted Hush to stay alive so he could attack Wayne enterprises during Arkham Knight. Also btw, Scarecrow has the most lore in these series and the biggest development. While there's a Easter egg in this game, he already had survived Asylum and spent years repairing and fixing his body as he wanted revenge. He was so badly injured and had to get every reconstructed and because of his hatred towards Batman. Jason teamed up with him for a shared interest. I personally believe that Scarecrow easter egg in this game was Jason doing as he was.... Taking photos of Batman and Scarecrow and him were already working together as they killed Rat King and wanted Hush to stay alive.
Both spots because if you noticed before robin saved Batman in the photo you see robin making his way which Jason took a photo of in spot 1 then if you noticed when Batman and robin were talking you could just about see jason standing
I have a theory of where he was hiding:first, joker was torturing him in arkham asulym for 2 years. he used the help of a corrupted guy frank boles. he didnt evel let him eat or drink.(barely) he tortured him in the medical chamber as we can see from the video that joker send to batman. he made him think that its batmans fault and that he is responsible for whats happening. he was always saying that bruce would come and save him. on the night where batman was fighting titan joker, joker had already hired deathstroke to kill Jason. Todd gave to deathstroke 2 billion dollars to help him escape asulym from wayne's money. he escaped and created an army at venezuela called militia. he was always spyingh on batman and tim drake(robin) and was mad because he replaced him with another person. He then came at gotham city with his new army to find batman and take him down. At the end of arkham knight, as we know he helped him stopping scarecrow. After all he had been through, he forgived him. thank you for your attention!
I’m a little late on this and saw how that photo couldn’t have been taken by Jason considering joker showed it to him however Jason is around in Arkham city. In the comics that take place in events after the game when Bruce is exiting Arkham city the new “Electrocutioner” attempts to attack Batman but his attack is thwarted by Jason and he monologues to him before killing him
But Joker was also locked in Arkham City, meaning that he couldn't have shown this to Jason as Jason was in an abandoned wing of Arkham Asylum, a different island. I believe the comics show that it was goons in Batman in Robin costumes that Joker showed Jason.
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 I should’ve added that I believe the photo wasn’t even taken in Arkham city but somewhere in gotham during Jason’s torment. My bad :)
If you watch the Helicopters in that scene there's a flash from them behind Robin. Maybe during the game they changed the location of the helicopter or something along those lines so the pictures aren't entirely accurate
He would be using a long range lense to take that picture considering he has a rifle so he would be further from that at least 20 to 30 feet away so he wouldn’t get noticed Directly behind Bruce possibly in deadshot headshot rage
Rocksteady had so many possibilities to work on the character Robin, Jason Todd he was the last we ever got before Tim drake (Im sad at this because I wanted to see Damienwayne in the story but they never planned to include him) It was all about Joker yet again. Arkham knight was supposed to be a seperate villain to Red hood but that changed, still iwould have liked it alot more if they worked together to get back at batman as revenge against the joker "thats just what i think tho" damn Im just bewildered by the laziness in storytelling man.
Do u know if it's possible to actually find the area where Jason is (not hallucination wise) in the game and possibly try to save Jason? if not, what happens if u try to go into that part of the place?
I think it was spot two due to the angle and the close proximity the spot was to where Batman and Robin were having their conversation in comparison with the photo it would have to have to be taken from that spot
Something I think is worth noting which is probably just a tiny plot hole, but Jason couldn't have taken that photo. Joker is the one who shows Jason that photo in one of the flashbacks in the movie studios as he's talking about him and Jason becoming a dynamic duo, "Just like Bats and that new kid of his." and a few moments before that, he mentions how it's been six months and Batman will have stopped looking for him entirely. Likely, Joker was the one who had that photograph taken just to torment Jason with, but does that mean he hired someone to stalk one of, if not both Batman and Robin unnoticed and wait until they meet in person?
