Referee Backchat in Rugby 

Nigel's tone is pitch perfect 👌

Respect like that is what makes rugby special.

Nigel was the perfect referee, if you watch a lot of his clips he has good banter too, he just won’t tolerate backchat and I couldn’t agree more 👍🏽😂

It was probably a reminder of how his mum or dad would pull him up when he was young and in trouble.

It's the instant "sorry sir" that gets me 😂

Also correct from Robshaw.

@@Moggy471 Correct. Good example for children learning the game, too.

Sorry sir he’s a grown ass man twice his size…ridiculous

@@jakehowie442 ridiculous to show respect to the person in charge or to your opponents and team mates? You're clearly a soccer fan 👍🏼

When I was refereeing, our regional advisor (ex-international referee) advised that we do this any time a player showed dissent. Makes a referees job easier, and also protects the next referee. After marching back 10m several times, usually a team shuts up, or the coach replaces the offenders.

I think it's the biggest deterrent at the top level where games are decided by fine margins. Billy v cost his team the game

I watch both sports quite a lot and tbh its hard to tell much difference atm. Rugby has lost its discipline a bit and football has cleaned up a bit, narrowing that gap.

@@Tomlawrence93 I don't see the improvement in football, I'm not saying there isn't one, I just haven't seen it at least not in the Premier League.

It doesn't get used enough. Imo the only player who should be allowed to 'discuss' things with the ref is the captain - and if the captain acts like Farrell, Biggar and Sexton do sometimes then it should be used then too

IKR! I thought there was a runaway llama on the field 🦙

a walking penalty machine

@@dawski4697 one of them goats...

I think O’Mahony summed him up best

Football*

@@sm7baller435 *Soccer. It's just one of the many football codes. Always called soccer when I was a kid in a League area.

Why are u talking like hes dead 😂😂

@@paulinemockler3736 Don't have to be dead to be missed. Retired is nearly the same 😁

@@robertcottam8824 no, it's called football. Educate yourself.

It was show of wanton self-destruction. Even the scrum was unnecessary as Myler dropped out on the full despite Barnes' warnings. Hartley had already been warned to button it. So clearly the better team won. 'Better' as in listened to the ref and modified their behaviour according to warnings. Just so happens it was funny as it was Saints!!!

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I met Wayne Barnes once at a barrister's drinks in London (as that's what he does away from rugby) and apparently the evening of this game was his stag do. There was so much tension after the match they had to change plans to get them further away from the ground and any potential areas where fans may be haha.

@@andrewmather9076 barrister's drinks? They still do that? Jeez that was the main reason I didn't finish my LLB. But that was 23 years ago. Thought they'd have done away with that.

@Jonontoast You're discressioning from the point somewhat...

He’s a mouthy female body part ain’t he?

@@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart Was about to say something like that, well done, accurate!

Thankfully Ruddock (the should be Leinster captain) told Sexton enough was enough and walked him away haha

I don't watch much Union (might watch Bledisloe cup or Super Rugby sometimes) but I watch Rugby League, I love when the refs put their foot down and shuts the player(s) up when they backchat.

@@SilentHotdog28 Stan Wall was a League ref back in the 60s and 70s. He was about 5ft 3 and 8st wet through Used to see him whilst watching Leigh - when they were good. To see enormous props and 2nd row forwards walk away from him with their bottom lips sticking out after a telling off... Priceless. And what a fantastic example of how to play with RESPECT for little kids like me. Ain't forgot it and I'm pushing sixty.

As a soccer referee, I agree when he said that, rugby has so much more respect it's really nice to see.

Never understand why football refs allow being screamed at and surrounded..they are a joke

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And bumping his gums

I loved it...

This is not soccer. Is that clear? OFF YOU GO.

Love him!

the best ever!!

Honestly Nigel Owen’s is rugby refereeing, I remember him talking about the Italy England game where Italy never formed rucks, and he said “it’s perfectly legal, but it shouldn’t be”, and then the next season it wasnt

I'm older than you by quite a bit but the only Ref that I could compare him with was Clive Norling.

Classic, you don't see it much in soccer, but in Rugby League and Union and Australian Rules Footy you see it and it is gold.

@@SilentHotdog28 At big games in the UK you can buy a radio for a few pounds that's tuned into the same frequency as the referee's microphone. I remember hearing the ref tell one of the players to "stop being so childish".

@@geoffpoole483 not just big games, all premiership games normally have it.

The "let the Ref ref," from Kockott was pretty good too.

not for a sport based in UK....their main word is 'ag fuck off' as a norm....they'd all get red cards

That’s the difference between having a dig at the referee disrespectfully and making a funny and very humorous comment but also getting your point across, 99 times out of 100 it’s not what the player says it’s how they say it, Andrew Hore’s comment is a perfect example of this.

And this is the way to talk to refs, be polite and crack a joke without arguing with them.

I remember it, watching at the time. One of the best plaintiff submissions I have heard in a lifetime of rugby - Andrew Hore was just the man to lodge it with the court too.

Lol nonu and Bismarck weren't. That's for sure

It would be unwise to tell a ref to "piss off" even if he *didn't* speak French. :D

Vunipola and half the Saracens players should be carded more often as they are doing it consistently throughout games every week

“I’m a grown-ass man” Billy says, as he has a tantrum about not wanting to stand somewhere else.

Agreed. What use is repeated warning without sanction?

Poor Dylan was just misunderstood.

He called Barnesy a “fucking cheat”…. nothing to be misunderstood there

"No need to call me sir, I'm from West Wales! "

@@kaitlinbilous4605 it was the last Varsity match he refereed, the Cambridge hooker threw a lineout squint, Nigel called it and said to the player "I'm straighter than that" You really should have seen the look on the player's face.

@@adamcarreras-neal4697 iconic

I’d have sent him off, he lacks any kind of respect and integrity for the game, there’s been so many assaults on referees in Ireland, referees are fed up and the IRFU are talking to the Irish government to the point where they’ve had to get the police or Garda involved, they don’t realise by making sexton captain the shit rolls down hill, sexton is no role model, he’s bad for the game of rugby,.

Because they’re people not autonomous robots. Playing competitive sport that’s highly physical like rugby you get caught up in the emotion of it

Probably because kids careers aren’t on the line and could potentially be decided by a poor decision. Unlike professional players

Because the media and fans worship their favourite players, so the players eventually start to believe all the hype. They like to collect the “professional” paycheque, sign the autographs, take the selfies, screw the groupies, and read about themselves in the paper, but forget about the sacrifice and discipline that got them to the top. Ego takes over and becomes arrogance. Try that sort of behaviour the next time you disagree with your boss in public. Flap your arms, scream like a stuck pig, swear and prance around while berating a person with authority over you. See what happens. If it happens once in the heat of the moment, it’s more understandable, but for serial offenders like Biggar, Farrell, Vunipola, Sinckler, O’Gara, and Hartley the coaches should have made it clear: you are hurting the team. Shut the f*ck up, or you can watch from the stands.

You're more likely to talk back when you believe you know how the game works and what's happened.

@@1990themule still no excuse to be rude, just becasue Im annoyed at a worker in a shop doesnt mean I should abuse them

The first thing I was taught over fifty years ago about rugby ' Always ' call the ref Sir.

@@kenmacfarlane8744 The other thing I was taught was the 2 main rules: !. The ref is always right, and 2.If the ref is wrong, rule 1 applies.

Just imagine how many yards a football team would advance with a free kick with the other side bitching, swearing and throwing tantrums. ....thats 10 yards... ... thats another 10 yards... OK so thats a penalty!

@@1chish In football, they'd end up outside the ground lol

@@kenmacfarlane8744 Agreed Ken. AND never speak to him at all unless he speaks to you first.* "Unless you're the captain which never applied in my case.

Yes…where did that go? Great to see it back however

@@theglumrant9477 it happens in league in AU every now & then - it should happen more often if the players decide to talk crap to the ref.

Or an opposing player, as in the "Christopher!" incident.

different refs have different tempers I guess.

That is because he is a grub, just another big mouth islander with a chip on his shoulder and no ticker under pressure..

I'll take that as a compliment! They probably look like they require a lot of effort, imagination and research but they actually don't take that long at all, this one took me less than a few hours from start to finish :)

Even better one liner from him was in a line-out. Throw wasn't straight, the hoover argued and nicely said, mate I'm straighter than that throw

And if referees improved their standards, the less backchat they would get!

​@@stevenmcalister826 You can complain about the referees as much as you like, just not on the pitch, with foul language, and during play. If we accept that kind of behaviour, the sport goes the way of football, and it trickles all the way down to the grassroots. It's imperative that the referees draw a line in the sand as they have been doing, and make it clear. We must put our faith in the Unions to ensure good officiating - the alternative is a game riddled with man-children screaming in the referee's face for every decision they disagree with, which is not only tiresome, but dangerous in a contact sport.

@@daredemontriple6 That’s where you’re wrong, you can’t complain off the pitch either. Anthony Watson was suspended for 1 week because he dare make a comment on the referee’s decision’s after a game. Almost reinforcing that people can’t ever question what a referee thinks, talk about a god complex.

@@stevenmcalister826 And Rassie Erasmus was banned for a year for making a video complaining. Both of these are correct decisions. Law 6.5a "The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match". It's literally enshrined in the laws that the referee is always right. It's not a god complex, it's about maintaining order on the field in what is a dangerous game. You can't have players and coaches publicly criticising officials otherwise you erode the authority they have on the field. Both Erasmus and Watson have a responsibility to keep their opinions private and to make any complaints they have through the proper channels.

@@Savoycabbage You’re forgetting the key words “DURING A MATCH.”

It was there for a while, refs never used it and when they did the pundits and commentators moaned about it, got scraped in the end up.

@@imperial109 I didn't know.. thanks :)

Was Sexton being constructive way? We’ll never know because the ref kept speaking over him and clearly loves the sound of his own voice too much. Must’ve taken advice from Whitehouse.

@@stevenmcalister826 Listening to players is always at the referee's discretion.

He has calmed down a great deal in the last couple of years.

I used to referee quite a lot of age group rugby. In my experience the parents' behaviour is far, far worse than their children.

yeah no

@@cardigan3000 Seems yes to me

It’s already become like football the RFU’s and world rugby do very little about it at top level, how the game is referees at top level is the reason abuse is growing the professionals have their own set of contentions & interpretations that means kids and adults try what they see on tv get penalised and then give abuse and get sent off. Football is bad because the refuse to sort the actually issue out, the game of rugby and how it’s referees at the top level to grassroots is wider than the Amazon, in football it’s still very much the same set of laws, conventions & interpretations.

*conventions, sodding autocorrect

when Nigel told a player to come back in 2 weeks if he wants soccer rules.

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he denies that he said it to Barnes, but said it was at Tom youngs. Can understand why Barnes thought it was at him though, he'd already warned Hartley for his verbal conduct already

@@philipeafroboy1 And a Red... that was the shocking bit. Ruined a potentially interesting final.

@@chocolateagh You don't referee on the basis that whatever you do must not spoil the game.

@@chocolateagh yea, but if the referee thinks a player is calling him a cheat, that's as red a card as you'll ever see on a rugby field. You may disagree with the ref's decision, you can even challenge them in the right circumstances, but calling them a cheat is beyond the pale. Calling them incompetent is better than calling them corrupt when their role is to maintain the integrity of the competition.

The point thats missed with this decision is that not 60 secs before Barnes had said to Hartley "if you say anything else and I think it is directed at me you will be off"

should apply it to soccer!!!

Alternative point of view: it makes it look like he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Very fine line to tread on that one.