Hey, 2018 G56 Ram 3500 Tradesman here. 😃 Was watching video & decided, "What the heck?🤔 I'll take my turbo silencer baffle out as well". Guess what?🙄 That thing *IS* a restriction to air flow! My truck is more responsive and feels a tad stronger!😃 Noticeable high pitch "weeeeeee" as well. (Wish it were louder.) Thx for the tip!👍
Wrong! Data logger appears to show the foam can be removed without impact, but the baffle ensures more air is funneled into the turbo. Without the baffle, your intake temps rise and your boost decreases. Thats never good on a diesel. Suggest you look at "Marion Blair" on RU-vid to see the actual numbers across several runs. Seat of the pants will lie to you.
Ed Williams Calm down, sheesh! 🙄 I know all about Mr. Blair & watched the video you mentioned a long time ago. Many people remove the baffle, no problems. For my application, Cummins with manual transmission, the combo of a BD throttle booster, K&N filter, & baffle removal tremendously helped & I'll never go back. That truck was a serious slug before I did that. And again, I like the turbo "Weeeeeeeeee"!😃
@@leonardrice2830 - You are entitled to run whatever you desire on your vehicle. As an engineer I look at the numbers Blair presented and I see problems for those who remove the baffle and desire to keep their vehicles long term. My apology for upsetting you and I wish you the best with your decision.
It's engineered into the intake pipe for better performance, but "yes" if you want better sound then go for it. If you want better performance "power" and mileage per gallon then keep it in place. This thing corrects turbulent air flow and the turbo uses air more efficiently, I like the sound so mine is on the shelf.. Just the facts.....
I used to do things like this, until I went to Engineering school. The speed of flow through that chamber is now reduced without the insert. You think it's better flow because you can hear the turbo, but it's actually not improved flow. An Anemometer installed on the turbo entrance would register less airflow with the unit removed.
Literally just went outside and did this in 20 mins (cleaned out the air filter while I had it opened) and the foam was folded over and very discolored so I'm glad I took it out, can't wait to drive it again soon
You need to be aware that the baffle (not the foam), was there for a reason. Without the baffle the air going to your turbo will become turbulent, causing less boost and higher intake temperatures. A data logger shows you the truth of the matter. The baffle is not there to restrict flow, its there to ensure a smooth transition of air into the turbo.
Marion Blair actually used facts and measurements. It proved the validity of this piece. Its not a huge difference without it, but it is BETTER with it in every measurable way. Comparing it (stock) to an aftermarket airbox isn't apples to apples. I kinda regret trashing it, but I can live with it until I replace the airbox. This is a prime example of what appears to be aint what it appears to be. Science rules!
I watched that video Marion Blair did and I couldn't believe he took his out after all that. I'm leaving mine but will keep it checked regularly and if it gets suspect replace it.
Seen this delete before. Forgot all about it. Stumbled across your channel today and this vid. Went out to my truck and did this delete. Now checking out all your vids. Great content so far. 👍🏻
Absolutely no difference when I took foam out of my 6.7. Still not crazy about the foam getting old and dry with age and going through my turbo so it stayed out.
A guy on RU-vid called "Marion Blair" tried this and did a comparison between it being removed and it being left in and from what he discovered through his tests was that you're better off taking the foam out but leaving the baffle in (the thing the foam is wrapped around) because in his test when he took the whole thing out he actually lost performance in his turbocharger because on the bottom if the baffle has a small scoop on it that helps feed the air directly into the turbo Without the foam the baffle has many holes so it doesn't restrict air from coming in like it would with the foam on and the scoop on the bottom of the baffle helps feed air into the turbo because the stock intake has sharp angles to feed air into it so the baffle is what helps with that problem, you would probably achieve similar or better results by installing a cold air intake that probably has smoother angles to feed the air into the turbo It's basically like if you were to do a straight pipe exhaust but left the cat on, you help the truck a bit but it's not as efficient as just doing the whole thing
@@BandNADVENTURES-s1d - You'd do well to watch the Marion Blair video on RU-vid. He goes deeply into the engine performance using a data logger. Your response to Aaron shows a profound lack of understanding of engine engineering on your part.
Just traded in my 2017 Silverado 1500 for 2018 3500 6.7. Going to remove this and store it away in a box, if you worry about the warranty, put it back before taking it to dealership.....problem solved
A lot of misleading info in this vid. It actually doesn't restrict the airflow and it actually helps airflow into the compressor housing. It was engineered for a reason. With that out now you have a huge intake pipe that shrinks down with a sharp ledge before the turbo and creates unwanted turbulence. By the way it does not make any sound difference. Take the foam out absolutely because if it fails then guess where it's going. But the plastic air deflector insert should stay with the factory intake. The intake filter box is what is restrictive.
Finally, the smartest comment I've seen on here! I'll add an example for clarity. If suction on a certain inner diameter tube at 1,000 rpm is X, then increase the diameter of the tube, rpm stays at 1,000, then flow drops significantly.
This plastic tube actually helps your engine it’s there to shoot air straight to the center of the turbine and reduce bearing wear and it helps reduce air moisture so don’t take it off there is actually research on this and shows that taking it off lowers air pressure
Actually, doesn’t increase anything, at all, quite the opposite . There’s a guy here on RU-vid who used a bunch of meters and sensors while hooked up to a Dino to prove it doesn’t increase 💩. It actually slows it down when removed. It does sound better without it, and the decrease in airflow is pretty much unnoticeable. But sorry, no laminar here
Didnt banks do a test on the cow tong? It was one of the power manufacturers, but conclusions was lag went up as well as manifold pressure went down when you removed the tongue. No difference in removing the foam other than couple of decibels. Im trying to find that video to link
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Er_SDS4vcPg.html Try this video, he does a very good comparison and on another video he mentions that the foam being removed makes little to no difference
I saw this video the other day and was so excited to try it. So last night I pulled it on my 2012. I pulled the whole unit out and it didn't make any difference. So I pulled the foam off and reinstalled the plastic insert. Foam will deteriorate over time. At the very least I'm glad to get rid of that crap. Thanks for the video.
I deleted my 2018, it was obnoxiously loud lol, so I put a quiet tone muffler on mine, and you have to turn the traction control off, after deleted, otherwise you won't have full throttle, took me months to figure that out...
Don’t. Dude, don’t. That’s in there to increase the quality of air going into the turbo. If anything keep a close eye on the foam for deterioration over time. Removing this part is not a good idea.
J Mann21 how come no after market performance intakes have the baffles and bullshit then straight pipe to the turbo explain ? They do that shit because of the noise from the factory only reason you won’t find any baffles on any Cummins motor in a piece of equipment or road tractor you don’t know what your talking about
There's another channel on here- they Dyno tested before and after removing this, and it actually made less power when it was taken out.. I think it was Banks actually; but just to be clear- I'm not making that determination. I've always been told that the major bottleneck on these 6.7's was the grid heater. Like it going.
They void the warranty for anything you do to it. My opinion being that it's a relatively simple delete, if there is no paint mark on any bolts to indicate tampering just put it back in when taking to the shop.
I have a 2018 ram 3500 and they told me just about any mod regarding the engine/power train and to some extent cosmetic will void my warranty unless it's a factory upgrade installed by dealership technicians.
Ryan..... Why does Leonard Rice comment after every reply you do?? Oh, btw.... appreciate the vid. My 18’ 6.7 sounds terrific now! Finally able to breath
I just bought a new 2018 ram 3500 dually, automatic...I ranch here in South Dakota...if i take that filter out of the intake will it hurt my engine with the dirt roads I live on...gets dusty at time around here...can someone answer my question please...thanks
yep been proven keeping it in adds about 2psi of boost and better flow. The only option is to replace the stock tube with an airaid intake tube between stock filter box and turbo
@@VP23 not the foam but you have to leave the plastic piece in there if you still have the factory tube, its dyno proven that the flow is bettrer leaving that plastic scoop piece in, because if you look when you take the plastic scoop piece out it leaves a large step in the tub which disrupts air flow. A couple of guys online have shown dyno results to prove that
did you run a boost gauge to see if it changed anything? run some intake temp gauges maybe an intake vacuum gauge to see if it reduced restriction? did you do a 30 mile route take it out then do the route again checking mpg of each trip?
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms hard to tell but I can hit 30lbs Of boost now that my truck is tuned, that’s why cold air intakes don’t have that in there anything in the way of a direct path to the turbo is restrictive
you see a million of these delete vidoes but no one is actually doing testing. its only a restriction if the turbo is requiring more air then the intake muffler can supply. It would be great to see a vacuum gauge hooked to the intake tube at the turbo inlet to compare before and after testing. Boom now your making all those other videos looking weak!
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms I just did this to my 2018 Ram 3500 CTD G56. It runs so much better without the intake turbo silencer baffle, I'd never consider putting it back in.🤔
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms Funny you ask, as I just came back from short trip.😄 A bit more high pitch turbo whine. Exhaust brake sounds the same. Aside from that, no more noise. The increased responsiveness of the engine is what surprised me.
I took mine off about a year ago off my 07 1/2 6.7 Cummins to find out that it was starting to come a part anyway. So I was happy that decide to do it. I bought my truck used in in December 2012 and by the summer of 2013 I had deleted it and added a K&N air filter. But I did leave the muffler on cause I didn't want it loud. I run just a Smarty JR set at 75 hp towing mode because I tow and with 3:73 gears running 78mph I get about 18-19mpg and when I load my 40' gooseneck with 28 4x5 rolls of hay I'm still getting around 12-13 at 60-65 mph
How loud is the Cummins 6.7 vs the Powerstroke 6.7? Because I know everyone straight pipes their Powerstroke because they're so quiet anyways. My stock one is so so so quiet. It's almost embarrassingly quiet.
brickson98moto my Cummins 6.7 with a muffler is still louder at idle than the PowerStroke 6.7 deleted, but after they are revvd up the straight pipes PowerStroke is louder
Agree. Data logger shows the internal temps rise when you remove the baffle. The boost drops also. There is no performance improvement and overall it increases heat which is never good.
whats the deal with manual transmission trucks being rare over in the states , over here in nz 9/10 trucks are manual , autos are rare to find because no one wants them
because they can't take the high torque like an auto trans can in america our trucks have huge engines even the crapy g56 is only rated for a 4.5 liter diesel not the 6.7 that dodge put it behind dodge detuned the 6.7 just so the g56 wouldn't blow up and even in stock trim it still does so engineers need to step it up in the design of these things instead of selling this junk maybe go back to cast iron cases so the thing don't twist and separate the end bearings or add a center bearing so there is three of them. instead of two.
Dodge just can't figure out transmissions. But yeah, if you look at hp and torque figures for Cummin's (and most modern diesels) you'll notice in the late 90's to mid 2000's, there was a shift from manuals putting down more power, to autos putting down more power. With they way they can be fine tuned by the computer, they end up putting down more power. It is really convenient to have an auto. Manuals are super fun, but for a daily, I like autos.
2015 Cummins 6.7, automatic. No mods. Mine has been out for a while now. The whistle might be a little louder but nothing really changed at all. Drove to VA from NC this past weekend. According to the electronic odometer, I got 23.4. What y’all getting?
Oologah Northern Railroad I’ve had mine for almost two years now. I love the truck. I think it’s got 143,000 now. On long road trips I can still get 22 mpg, give or take. Now hauling, different story. 14-17. 14 in town. I’d love to delete mine but for $2000 to do so, I’d have to ride in one that has been deleted to see the results.
Derrick Gates I’ve had mine for almost 7 months, and I’ve already racked up over 11 thousand miles. That truck is both my daily and work truck. I love to keep her clean.
@@davidpage9151 I have a 2012 and I only took the foam off of the baffle (the black plastic thing) and put the baffle back, I did hear my turbo more but you gotta have the radio off and the A/C blowing low because it doesn't make a huge difference in sound but the baffle does have a use while the foam doesn't
A Banks data logger will show you that you can remove the foam with no impact, but removing the baffle is bad for your engine. Internal temps will rise and you get less boost. That's the facts by the numbers. The seat of your pants can lie to you sometimes....
thinking of getting a 2019 diesel truck and keeping it stock, if i drive 6 miles to work, and 6 miles back home (per day) thru the work week, and then on saturday drive 30 to 40 miles on the highway, will this be enough?
I'm a new cummins owner. Definitely I'm gunna do this. But I do want to pick your brain a bit. You said you don't have a delete yet? Is it stock exhaust? It sounds better than what I have in stock. Tnx man.
Ryan Mayer I'll stay tuned for that. My truck is too quite for a deisel. Lol. I want to give it a bit of rumble but don't want to get too crazy since I still have warranty. I heard and read a bit that a muffler delete doesn't really change the tone. much.
If you have one pre emissions then chop the cats off leave the muffler or vice versa they give you different tones, if you have one post emissions you’ll have to delete and tune the truck for it to work properly
shannon jackson check out the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, it says that they can’t void a warranty unless determined that a specific mod is the reason why the vehicle “broke”, So technically no mod can void a warranty unless it’s the cause. I hope this helps.
This mod actually ruins performance in every single aspect. There actually a very scientific video done with data that shows this, check out Marion Blair's video on it. It actually serves a purpose in there and increases the performance and efficiency of the engine. Besides, there's no sound difference anyway with it removed.
Man I’ve been watching all your videos and I want to due all this to my 15 ram eco diesel. This is my first diesel truck plus I wonder if I can pick your brain when I do stuff to my truck?
For Leonardo Tarantelli: It is NOT a filter. It is a muffler-like baffle with foam designed to quiet turbo intake sound. Totally unnecessary after air goes through the filtered air box.😃
Some claim it does other claim it doesn’t, put it back in if you are worried and go in for warranty work! Chances are they won’t be removing the air box anyway!
No he did not the filter is in the box all that is a mufllernfor the turbo basically tonquiet the truck cause people complain about how it's to load in the cabs
It also acts as a baffle for the crankcase vapors coming from the valve cover. Without the baffle, now you have oily vapor going straight into your turbo and intake system. This is never mentioned in this video.