The thing about some new players is that they don't want to experiment or find out, some people want to find first hand "what's the best thing for x game" or "what controller is the best for X thing", much of the competitive high-level aspects of a game rely on preferences, like yeah, some things are more consistent and reliable than others but if you can make it work, so be it.
I think they just simply want a cheap goal rather than going on their journey or smtg, assuming it's a new player asking that For some reason I find myself can't react to faster speed and unable to read properly with lower speed, I'm not choosing a difficulty too far from my comfort zone either
another common issue i hear about is lower performing computers being stuck with low scroll speeds due to fps. raising speed can make the notes teleport and become unreadable, but lowering it can have the same issues you mentioned with low speed. as someone who dealt with this myself, it feels almost unfair on a competitive level due to being trapped on a speed you're not comfortable with.
So that's why high difficulty and dense maps in osu!mania become blurry for me... Someday I'll get a better computer. I genuinely think it might be holding me back. Sometimes I lose focus and my eyes have a hard time focusing. When the notes come down, before their image is a blurry version of it. I hear it's a problem in Taiko as well but I'm not well versed enough in that scene.
@@lulzgaming probably one of those funky friday nerds that get angry when you tell them fast scroll speed doesnt make them better/increase their accuracy
@@jayvan_ I mean, if you tried it first time, you will be worse. But scroll speed is a ladder, as times goes on you will be comfortable with higher scrolling speed.
Meanwhile I'm here as an osu player where differing approach rates is a core aspect of the game and can be different between maps. It is interesting seeing how scroll speed is affected in other rhythm games tho, gives me a perspective on something I normally don't need to think about at all.
another common thing I notice is new players think "if I get used to really high speed then I'll be able to do denser patterns later" not the case at all, I went from c890 to c650 last year, I can read so much better even on denser stuff
They would actually be correct in thinking that to a certain extent. Unless you are using extremely big notes, anything below C800 will indeed hold your back in your improvement.
@@nikkkola99 low scroll speed better I've always just been mentally slow, even on dense stuff. I've been playing rhythm games for over 5 years and I still prefer ar5 over ar10 in osu too, it's not just me being bad
Also my scroll speed changes depending on the gamemode I´m playing, I´m primarily an osu mania 7k player and so I use a 22 set scroll speed to give me an easier time, But when I do go on to osu mania 4k I set my scroll speed to 27 as I´m comfortable with it. It varies.
For me it’s the same notespeed. I’m mainly a 4K player who has some 7k scores and I mainly like note speed 31. It could be based on the skin you use? Not sure, or maybe it’s just preference.
I've always gravitated towards slower scroll speeds, largely because if an object is moving too fast it blurs up and becomes really hard for my eyes to subconsciously track it. Back when I was at my peak grinding StepMania Index, I never set my default scroll speed above C600, and in K-Shoot/SDVX I currently play with a HI-SPEED setting of 200. When I started I definitely found it intimidating how fast everyone had their scroll speed in whatever game I was playing, and I definitely had to teach my younger self to not feel bad for not being able to play at a "pro" scroll speed.
My scroll speed history. Stepmania ~2004-2007: quickly went up to c400, stayed there for some time, then went to c800. O2jam 2007-2009: most songs I played hx4, except if they were just too fast or slow. Osu std, 2011-mania released: quickly got used to ar8, slowly built up towards ar10. Osu mania, late 2012-now: before fixed speeds, I played 150 BPM at 15, and adjusted up or down for every 10 BPM difference. When fixed speeds were introduced, I settled on 28, until I switched to flashlight mod, and dropped my scroll speed to 14. Now I can't read high speeds in mania. But I can still handle like c1100 or so in sm/etterna (but only when playing windowed)
some games like IIDX have a green number to adjust how many frames of a note from top to bottom and that's very helpful in terms of adjusting hi-speed and lane cover
I prefer lower scroll speeds (C555) with a lane cover because I can force myself to focus on a specific point while recognizing patterns easier. EDIT: Spelling
I mean taiko is also a drum game- imagine a drum playing at a different bpm then a song. it won't work. EDIT: In the swich games you can add a positive multiplier, so dence songs can work
I changed my scroll speed in etterna from the default 400 to 600 and jesus the difference is noticeable. Doing much better, but still not great compared to most lol
dont know any tutorials but here are some tips from experience: play more but for direction - mess around your scroll speed. you can find that neat sweet spot. other skins might also help as well as lane covers e.x FL, HD, FI for osu (if you like to play speed change gimmick charts in the long run, lane cover usage is not a great idea) - dont brute force / keep grinding the same chart. while its ok for mastery of the chart you risk mindblocking and losing out on learing how to read other stuff - (for non-4k) use random. if you keep getting new stuff, there's a ton of room to see new patterns. keep playing to develop reading for multiple things.
Most rhythm games gradually introduce new types of patterns as you climb chart difficulty. So as you keep practicing a particular difficulty range, you'll master its patterns, giving you a good foundation to learn even more tech when you advance. The upshot of all of this is, you don't need to worry too much - the game will match your ability to read tech and complex patterns as you get better at it.
I was just messing around with Osu's scroll speed and managed to be better at the game at x20 speed Update : 1 month has passed, i am now playing at 30x scroll speed Update 2 : 10 months has passed and I found myself comfortable with using 31-32 scroll speed for 4k and 28 scroll speed for 7k
Another element that has some warrant to be mentioned in deciding your scroll speed is visibility mods. This means Hidden, Sudden, ScreenCut, or a mixture of these mods. (Like Osu!Mania's FL mod hiding everything but the middle.) On Etterna, I use HiddenOffset to cover exactly half of the screen, and so I only see the half that is further from the receptors. When half of the screen is covered, I need more precise adjustments to find an ideal speedmod that suits me. Too slow and you have the same clutter, but too fast is more punishing since you have less space to process the notes as they come in. Along with using 60% or 70% note scale I have additional variables that influence how I decide on a scroll speed. Right now I use in the range of c1100-1150 to read optimally, but if I played without HiddenOffset then I would likely be playing around c1200-1250.
In the time between your first video essay, "what is true consistency", and now, I've picked up osu!mania, found the right scroll speed of 28, reached about 45k rank in it, quit, haven't played all too seriously in years, and am down to like 80-something thousand rank now. And I'm sure others have the same experience. This is just a long-winded way of saying why did this take so long to become a video of yours, all in good fun of course. KEKW
Last year I had to go through the fun of changing my comfort speed on ddr from 600 to 450 with bigger notes because I moved to an at home setup where my screen is both father away than and of a different aspect ratio.
I found what my preferred scroll speed now but now that i learned that Experimenting with the Scroll speed too much would give a negative income kinda had my heart beating. Since i did alot of tinkering.
I find that I use different scroll speeds for different styles and difficulties. I guess it all comes down to how dense something is. The more dense, the faster I set the speed. That same speed on like a 10-12 (Etterna standards) would seem too fast where as I can't see clear clusters of arrows making a pattern.
I've always been a fan of the "race pace" approach; like a race pace, your scroll speed should be about 70-90% as fast as you can read/play, at all out. Practice should be working up towards 100%, then backing down to go the distance.
I noticed for me that it depends on the skin I'm using. In mania I play at a scroll speed of 24-26 with the main large circle skin I use but using a bar skin I play at a speed of 26-28. With 7 key and above I hardly go above 26 but can go as low as 20 if it's a 10 key chart. This is coming from someone who's beat a 2 star chart from every key count (not including those weird graveyarded 1-3 key and anything above 10 key)
When I got decent at osu!mania (I'm talking understanding how to use fundamentals and use which finger for which key) I noticed that I kept having terrible acc. Then I put the scroll speed to 20 and quite literally instantly now get near consistent 97% on anything below 2.7*. I recently beat a few maps that I'd been working on for quite a while. They were challenging for me so they weren't even 90% in a lot of cases, but scroll speed can really help!
Personal preferences is important. My personal scroll speed is C950 found it after an hour of experimenting with etterna. When a friend came over and played with my settings he said something's wrong with me
my scroll speed on Arcaea is 5.6 - 5.8, if im gonna try to sightread something, then its a 5.3 - 5.5 on another game called Malody, my speed is 12 - 14
Before watching this video I didn't even know that you can change scroll speed and thought that the scroll speed changes depending on the song. I did recently start getting into rhythm games so I probably was not experienced enough to be in the know.
When i first started osumania, i played with scroll 13. after 3 years im pretty comfortable on 26 I was thinking about upping it to 27 because dense js charts gets super dense, but i guess id better off learning how to read denser patterns on 26
This is such a bad take "Don't use scroll speed as a method for reading patterns better outside of gimmick charts" Huh???? You do know offset and lane cover options are available to accomdate scroll speed to read better. This is one of the PERFECT ways to LEARN to read patterns. It let's you dissect patterns on the spot. Higher scroll speed is easily countered with high offset. It reduces clutter and you can adjust your timing to it. Extremely applicable with 7k+ This video is for scroll speed in general, not for 4k only.
Also if you feel that your scrollspeed is already perfect, but you still keep hitting early or late, you should try out methods to adjust your visual- or audio offset. If you hit at the wrong time on easy wristjacks such as chordjacks, where you most likely time them by hearing, you should change your audio offset. For most other stuff where you are most likely timing the hits by sight, you should adjust visual delay. In Etterna I would highly recommend moving the playfield, towards the incoming notes if you're hitting early, further away if you're hitting late.
@@stanleychen2584 od varies between the songs but the rainbow 300 window doesn't, which makes it harder to compare scores overall it gives virtually no reward for good ma unless you're going for leaderboard spots because the top 2 timing windows both give 100% accuracy. This kinda gets fixed with scorev2 but that's unranked and also adds combo scoring the only rate mods are 0.75, 1 and 1.5x, which when moving up by 0.1 is a massive change on higher levels is pretty much meaningless because 99% of stuff will either be way too hard with dt or way too easy with ht no separate leaderboards for the different key modes and a difficulty calculator that basically says nps=difficulty so to get higher on the leaderboards you'd need to learn 7k from a stepmania player's perspective, lns svs and no snap colours makes the game bad but in the end it really doesn't matter, people enjoy the game and it is the most popular vsrg right now with a ton of really good players so it's fine
@@nadavvvv but AR isn't like scroll speed. every map has a different AR and mods change the AR (ez, ht, hr, dt) and you have to practice and get used to different note density with low AR and speed with high AR. also your right to left name makes it really hard to reply
