Rings of Power Is TOXIC George R.R. Martin Asks Why? 

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God help us.....this sophia nomvette is about as palatable as herpes and just as hard to shake off!

These interviews have been some of the worst things I've ever seen lol... These are LITERAL nails in Amazons RoP Coffin I think... Dead on arrival mate...

Man the actress for Disa is obnoxious, talk about appropriating culture as she tries to pretend to be a descendent of slaves from another country..

It’s interesting how no one ever talks about how great the show is. All you hear is how great it is just because of the diversity in casting.

Yep, not even going to pirate it.

What exactly will that prove for you ?

I hope no one watches it

I'm just going to watch all the galadriel man-spreading moments

@@jordenrisley6761 this series is gonna flop,they are catering for a piece of population that dont care about this franchise, they should have gone GOT style,go nerd hardcore at season 1 and then make it woke later on after they pass the trojan horse throught the nerds.

Best comment. 🤣

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Amazing comment

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I can't say if Amazon gave him 5.000.000$ to say this line or if he's seriously that delusional, thinking that people hate The Lord of the Rings and Tolkien now because they don't like this crappy streaming service show

Its not evil, its stupidity

stop it. that quote is so overused. it had a deeper meaning and you geeks are just using it for some shitty show.

Ironic to say these things on this channle. Remember Disparu thinks its racist for a single person to represent a people, even tho its impossible for anyone to not do that, kinda dumb if you ask me. Talking about evil most people think you cant have a great story without some evil thing happening, in short most people that want to be smart without being self-aware will stay being dumb.

@@Pyramid789 evil often comes from stupidity and other way around

@@CruiserDynasty how is it "impossible" to not represent a people? Every normal person doesn't want that.

Or his mind is in denial to protect himself from going mad.

@@firebreathingmoonbeam3961 ether way hes the one person that should very well know why we are the way we are about crap like the rings of power but yeah that might be true

I think he's saying that because he means it. If you don't like what his actual opinion is that is fine. But it's crazy to try to act like he's not being honest.

He produced house of the dragon. He’s part of the very problem that he’s refuting.

@@billyb4790 I have terrible news for you friend. He can't ruin a story he created, it's kind of weird you think you can tell him what his story was supposed to be about.

Even if he was it wouldn't matter. Same thing happened to HP Lovecraft. Socialists cannot leave the past alone because it contains information that allows for their defeat. So does the present and future, but they'll never let logic stand in their way...

@@PerfectTangent what was HP Lovecraft's cat's name again? I forgot. It was on the tippedy tip of my tongue...

Doubt she would speak so disrespectfully of an African writer who draws from native mythology and populates the story with Africans.

@@frododiddledeebipedybopedy9840 1 he didn't name his cat his father did. 2 black white or asian if you were alive back then you were likely a racist

I love the old clip Disparu pulled up, it looks like this is her MO with any part she takes. It's what makes it worse than if this was just an actress taking her talking points too far, she was hired specifically to go around making these points.

Seriously, has she no professional pride?

Right,it used to be ACTING

@@pachuko5192 nope

Do you realize that they're literally pandering to the lowest common denominator? The goal of socialists is a permanent underclass of the mentally deficient.

Hahha a sad joke🤣

Exactly! My sister and I love the main cast because they are relatable. I never felt unrepresented by any of them.

An d if you want to argue the empowered female characters, Eowyn is powerful she kills the witch king for goodness sakes and is holding a falling apart kingdom together for years, Galadreil is so powerful etc....

@@unasperanza9803 yes! growing up I really appreciated the way Eowyn was portrayed. Not an aggressive/callous strength, like RoP’s guyladriel, but definitely strong and grounded in her character, morals and values (while standing up to old patriarchal traditions). I loved Arwen too. I liked the way Tolkien wrote a lot of the women in his books because they were all distinct, and had their own stories and motivations. When you have good writing it makes such a difference in the story, regardless of whether or not what is written explicitly represents you 😂. The show is so painful to watch LOL

Standing up and slow clapping. It is a great story with amazing characters (including string women that never felt less than the male characters) besides I don't need someone that check all the boxes of who I am to be represented. I felt Frodo's melancholy at the end of his journey, and Aragorn's conflicted thoughts...I can g on forever,

Exactly ! These renovations are ruining everything we appreciated about these stories with these agenda infusions.

And then scream and screech how it's never been seen or done before and that it was necessary.

I would say “ How can people who love pancakes hate waffles !

@@KidFork2525 pancakes and waffles can be made from the same material. This wokeism would be opposed by Tolkien.

@@KidFork2525 No, he said it right the first time.

Because Rings of Power is not Tolkien. They don't have any rights to any of the stories from that time era (Silmarillion, basically). They only have the rights to the character- and location names. The rest of the show is entirely made up. It's not Tolkien.

In their dissonant brains, they probably find that an astute comparison. 🤣

Disney Star Wars in a nutshell

@@chasehedges6775 that Twitter fiasco tho

for starters...

And treat them like shit plus alienating them while calling them racists and bigots.

Amen.

I would add to that and say to a fan of a great book or story there is something called 'canon', you want it to be real and true to the original author. Tolkien takes this almost to the extreme, he was so immensely specific about his world he even gave back history and wrote languages and included spellings and grammar. People have published atlases of his world and geographers have debated his topography. So yes though they're excited when a well known book becomes a movie, there is a certain expectation almost as if the directors/actors must live up to it. And changing details like introducing race or swapping genders, or even throwing in new characters that may not have been part of the original story, to satisfy people's own personal goals of self fulfillment or feelings of social vindication et al.... these mess with the winning formula as it were and can have disastrous results! On rare occasion it does work. Radagast the Brown for instance in Jacksons' movies, I enjoyed a lot. But they still generally followed the script.

Too right. I was obsessed with the trilogy as a kid but 20 years later I have a newfound adoration that goes far beyond nostalgia. Pure dedication, love, patience, skills, talent and teamwork is why it is a masterpiece; the 2000s were a sweet spot for Hollywood which has long ago peaked for such standards but The Rings of Power is truly a sign of the times and a reflection of Amazon's personal priorities

@@Americanpartybomb101 Indeed my friend, this goes far beyond any nostalgia. It was pure talent and dedication, and attention to detail. True love for the source material above all.

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Lord of the rings is good due to its casts and extras working very good to make Tolkiens work come true

I always thought the LOTR movies were perfection, seeing them as a kid. I think I had read the Hobbit in school at one point. After that, I read the Fellowship, but none of the other books. Any novel adaptation to a film is necessarily going to drop some things, you just can't feasibly include everything, but I daresay the LOTR adaptations might be some of the best films adapted from a book ever. Iconoclastic. Even the Hobbit movies I love. A little bit less probably, not quite the masterpiece, but still top notch. I don't mind that they made up some new characters and added back Legolas to pad out the run time. Still a cool trilogy.

Sheer fucking hubris...

You are so wrong. The movies did plenty of virtue signaling. Aren't was no ringwraith fighting superhero in the books, but you don't have a problem with it because the herd of sheeple you are a part of hasn't made an issue of it.

@@jeremyanderson3819 I won't say you're wrong.. I often have to look up the definition of virtual singling but where do you feel it exists in Jacksons LOTR?

@@jeremyanderson3819 Nobody here in this commentary section agrees with you. Why can't you people see?

@@jeremyanderson3819 Let me guess... Youre one of these "activists" too right?

he means that people hate it unopenly, hence the perverse need to warp the content to fit their beliefs

Exactly, don’t use our fucking thing for your political agenda. It’s so fucking dumb and I’m so glad the extended series of lotr exists so I can’t watch that over and over again instead of this dumbass show

the subverters were never fans

Was this the Eragon writer? 😂 I wish it were.

@@realtalunkarku You do know that Lord of the Rings is a subversion of Richard Wagner The Ring, right?

That fatass would be too comatose and indecisive to notice or care.

Well, that's weird because I would tell you I read the Tombs of Atuan whose main character was a 12-17 year old girl who was a priestess and prisoner queen of a city in the middle of a desert, and I connected with the character and was fully vested through it all. Even though I am nothing like that in my life. In fact it is one of my favorite stories, it was a masterpiece imo. I honestly think that's what makes a great writer!

Word

Can someone please send Martin this quote?

Tolkien would've (probably) thought the Peter Jackson trilogy dishonored his works. The hate for this show seems so unnecessary. No one is changing what Tolkien wrote. His books still exist in virtually the same way that he wrote them. As a Tolkien fan, I cannot wait to see this series and I hope it helps bring new fans to the legendarium just like the LOTR trilogy helped bring me into the legendarium ~20 years ago.

@@KyleDrone Ratio

All but the battle of 5 armies. The movies were pretty good up through Smaug’s death.

if they wanna see themselves on screen so bad. they can just look at themselves in a mirror. "oh look, you see yourself."

@@jackielogan9104 It’s because they know that if they made their own stories, they would fail So these “activists” have to annoyingly occupy what is great and we all love And it’s all being corrupted. Thankfully, most true fan bases are glad they are gatekeeping some of the last bastions

Lost my shit on "george arrr arrr martin"

Was going to make this same point but I'm glad that someone else beat me to it.

George is obsessed with Aragorn's tax policy.

You're one of the few people I see in the wild who sees this prog shit for what it really is - a cult. Its literally just the new church of the western world, and its infinitely more shit than the old church (the actual Christian church).

My dude... it's an actress telling people to watch the piece of media she's in because the studio wants her to. This has been part of modern media for decades. It's not a cult. It's business. Take a chill pill.

tell me the difference between a business and a cult these days then. Companies like apple, tesla and what not do have a cult like following bc noone ever questions them. Its so bad its not even "1984" anymore. Today feels like we live in 1939 middle europe again

@@cbg1609 Oh yes, actresses talking about how you should buy their product truly is worse than a police state that literally tortures people into compliance if they so much as think about criticism. You may also take a chill pill, now.

You are so mad omg. The whole diversity thing in this show is all about marketing it’s not her fault they’re using her for it

Thank you for saying that, it needs to be heard widely. I agree that diversity seems to be a solution to a problem that never existed, but it gives an opportunity to a lot of people to milk some money and positions and status out of the system somewhat unfairly.

@@deyahdn3 well said !! It’s almost like they’re saying when those movies came out only caucasians watched the movies and others boycotted it. It’s so ridiculous.

It's like if Europeans injected themselves into African myths. I thought cultural appropriation was seen as bad by the left? I guess it's only bad for certain ethnicities and not others. As LOTR is a mythic story inspired by European history and languages.

Can I ask, were you offended that the Haradrim are essentially Mid. Eastern? I should think not, from what you write. But that's what they try to peddle. That Peter Jackson's movies are "offensive".

Exactly. I never wanted an Urdu speaking Dwarf or a brown Elf either. We're perfectly FINE with watching characters as they were written. They need to stop speaking for us & ruining the things that we love too! FFS.

But that would require actual effort on their part.

@@zeldahylia8549 Are you ready for this? They also paid people to illustrate the book covers back then. Can you believe it?

@@donovanmedieval WHA-? They took their money and GAVE it to people who worked for them instead of ghosting illustrators trying to get their payment? What madness!

@@zeldahylia8549 They'd have to be literate.

No they didn't write shit but look up soaps from 1980's and stick a minority race in there to pretend its new and attempt to make money off it. Good news: I never purchase any streaming subscriptions... why? These actors and writers and producers and companies make plenty of stupids who can't find ways to get the junk for free... unfortunately even free... I can't finish much of the crap that comes out, just glad I never paid anything for the garbage in the first place, but do insist they refund me money for wasting my time.

I love elfs and orcs but i hate rings of power and house of dragon

Tolkein fans when black people

_If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?_ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

it resumes all european culture robbing the rest of the planet and corrupting everysingle continent with the worst culture the planet has ever seen.

sounds like Tolkien, how Sauron, corrupled Saruman, and how Sauron corrupted elves transforming them into orcs.

@@DubiaFluctuant Morgoth/Melkor, not Sauron.

Had me in the first half ngl

Both you and this comment are a treasure.

@@nicholasgulla4666 yeah same, I'll be gladly doing the same thing

Heh, that was great. :D I also suggest protein popcorn! Mmm...good stuff!

Either that or watching the Extended Editions ☺

Back to the books! What a disappointment. I was actually thrilled these shows were being made. I'm certainly over it now.

Exactly!! How is that so hard for some to understand??? Heck, we are upset at Amazon _because_ we love and respect Tolkien and his works so much. It would actually be a betrayal to Tolkien to "love Rings of Power" because we know from his letters (where he was very vocal about hating adaptations that change too much) that he would absolutely in no way condone Rings of Power. But we still love Tolkien's works. Heck, I'm loving them more and more the worse this shitshow gets because they show us what a truly _good_ story is, which seems to be something modern show-writers (those adapting books anyway) are incapable of doing.

For sure. The cast of this series is taking a stand to say they don't give a crap about Tolkien. Well gosh I am so enthused to see a series that the actors in it dont give a crap about. I'm absolutely sold... on just staying away.

ive got a third edition of lotr on my bookshelf. its starting to fall apart but its complete. now shall i go read that or watch this show...hmmm what a dilemma.

@@TheSuperappelflap my copy of Silmarillion is like that - it's literally fallen apart into chunks that I have to keep together with a rubber band around them! I have multiple copies of Hobbit and LOTR though, and recently bought a brand new copy of Unfinished Tales as a treat to myself :D I also got a discounted copy of Atlas of Middle Earth online for only $7 because the cover was damaged. I didn't get to see the damage before buying but even if the cover was missing it was worth it. Then it arrived and the cover has only a minor dent!!!! And the book is AMAZING. I recommend every Tolkien lover get an Atlas of Middle Earth if they don't have one already. Tolkien reviewed all the maps before publishing so they're not just fan-maps, they were approved by the legend himself! :D

If HBO hadn't thrown so much money and had so much talent at adapting that dreck of an choppy paceless unfinishable shitheap of juvenilia that is ASOIAF you would never have heard of it- it was other people's talent that took the early seasons to the next level. Shame about how it worked out- how would you compare season eight to how A Dream of Spring wound u- oh.

@@voluntaryismistheanswer As it happens I and many, many others read the books before the show came out. They were really, really popular in their own right and for good reason. If your argument is that one person had to stand on another's shoulders its pretty obvious who needed who. The quality of the show after they ran out of books just gets worse and worse progressively. They still pulled off some great stuff, like Jon's lineage but again all the hard parts like anticipation, clues and red herrings were all done by the books. And yeah, it does suck the books never finished. If the writers for the show had had them for a basis and they hadn't rushed the ending to get the job on starwars (that was pulled after season8) mb the show would have had a good ending too :(

@@joshuagodwin8565 agree I'm by no means a reader but I had read the books before the show even existed and waited 7 seasons before finally breaking down and watching the show. I was flipping through the channels one day and noticed the title of the episode that was getting ready to start "battle of the bastards". I thought I'd just watch a few mins and ended up watching the whole damn episode, then told my wife we had to run to the store. Came back with every season they had released and we binge watched them. I was extremely happy with casting aside from Robert (not the actors fault) and somewhat with the show as I understood their limitations transferring the story to the screen. The sand snakes storyline in the show was AWFUL and of course was followed by the worst wrap up of all time.

@@latestplague3762 man i hated how the show turned the elegant deadly terrifying otherworldly whitewalkers/"Others" into zombies that wield ice cream for swords lmao, they even turned mystical monstrous direwolves into oversized doggos lol. i had a lots of gripes with the show and only watched snippets and clips. but really really enjoying HoTD so far i love it

@@voluntaryismistheanswer ASOIAF hater detected, opinion debunked: First, Martin's political opinions should not be used to judge his art. Second: the books are better than even the first four seasons of the show, and its more than clear the seasons that diverged from the source materials are far worse, courtesy of he mentally handicapped directors who rushed it all...when they could have, at least, checked the tons of great fan theories and darn fanfics that accurately predicted how the books were going to end according to Martin himself.

he's speaking from experience because he well remembers the backlash to the last two seasons of GoT - because he didn't write them. He's fat and lazy and hasn't written a book in a decade - and never will.

Too true.

because its the opposite of what they loved

"You know nothing, George Snow..!"

We still love the originals, its the new stuff that they crammed with politics and their own bs that we think sucks.

Amen

They hate the fact we're threatening their paychecks. Yet we don't owe them anything. They already made it and got paid. It matters not if we consume it. Kinda wild from the people that care so much about agency and progression. Basically want people to shut up and deal with it.

Hardly anyone agrees on any political or religious matters, even people who follow the same party or scriptures. I think entertainment free of politics tends to unite people on common thinking. Inserting this propaganda just will not ever do that.

@@Notarealchannelok It is only one side who loves politcs being dragged in everything and it’s The left, and for some reason they keep doing it even though it is only one side who likes it and it is also The poor side who can’t pay for stuff like Disney+

as a Star Trek fan, I'm enjoying Strange New Worlds and The Orville

She's become, even with everything else they've done, the PRIMARY reason I'm not going to click on this show even once. She's insufferable.

Indeed, have you seen the face of the blond guy who often sits next to her in interviews an panels. He looks so embarrassed.

Shove it all in our faces!

Yeah, but she does have an incredibly stupid hairdo

almost seem proud to ruin the show tbh.

He's full of shit.

I think it's safe to say that fans want new stories set in these IPs, what we generally don't want is changing these IPs into something new.

he is too knee deep into Hollywood culture to understand loving something without any money or physical pleasure transaction.

He comes across as really unintelligent with comments like that. I know he is intelligent so therefore he is dishonest.

George came off as being delusional and detached from what it really means to be a fan and appreciator of a creators work. Why would it be ok to take someone's life work, literally, and twist it to suit your message or your imagination? If you're going to do that, create your own IP, why take something already established, loved by millions and for decades, and literally FUCK it up because "the message!" I expected more from George myself, because how would he like it if GoT was twisted in such a way everything is unrecognizable? Oh wait...I think he might already be ok with that, nvm, carry on.

Canon*

@@decem_sagittae both. I bet there are a lot of artillery officers who are also fans of Tolkien.

@@JM-mh1pp He who lives by the cannon dies by the Cannon. 🤣

It's also a big reflection on the modern values which they think are going to sell best. The younger generations care a lot more about the self and their image and getting personal recognition for every aspect of their lives then any previous generation has. Individual fame, acclaim, and self worship are super common these days.

I also don't get the idea of the audience seeing themselves in characters they've never seen represented. There are thousands upon thousands of movies going back decades with black women. This isnt the 1950s.

Last time I checked actors are pretenders who pretend to be someone else These guys just force themselves and their personalities into middle earth. This sht is literal invasion lol

They are narcissists. Everything out of that actress' mouth equates to: "I can only relate to me. I am the face of you. I've talked enough about me; now you talk about me." I've seen many clips of the male costars sitting with looks of incredulity, fidgeting, and eye-rolling as this woman who plays a bit token character blathers on and on about her greatness because of the diversity that was granted her non-meritoriously merely by the act of being born. Not one of the cast has been shown expounding upon the wonder and magic of Middle-Earth. Not one of them can mention how Middle-Earth was a love letter from father to son. He invoked a hero's journey and took it to its inevitable end of returning home to enjoy the peace he helped create. And, once home,--the place he never wanted to leave--he raised up a family. Much like all the brave young men who served in WW I--as Tolkien did--the purpose of the Fellowship was to make the world a better place to live. And there were women. Women of beauty and grace, women of wisdom, and even a woman tempered by both bitterness and hero worship who sought to fight alongside the men. Do we see much of Rosie Cotton? No. Like a love letter carried by a young soldier, we learn of her only through Sam's reminiscing; likewise, really, with Arwen. There is nothing wrong with that! I never felt as though women got the short end of Tolkien's treatment. The women may not have been in the foreground or spoken directly to each other, but they were supporting the entire world. The wains of Rohan and Gondor who fled to preserve the children and future of their people demonstrated strength and nobility in desperate times and, at ten years of age, this girl understood all that intrinsically through Tolkien's portrayal. I grew up loving the heroic tragedy and healing of Éowyn, the nobility of Faramir. Aragorn was an Odysseus without the flaws, possessed of humility, a true King at all times. Frodo was as Aragorn to the other Hobbits, only flawed by his relationship to the One Ring. It was simple Samwise Gamgee, earnest soldier and loyal friend who was the true hero of the tale. It was J. R. R. Tolkien imbuing his son with the nobility of the Simple Man that made TLotR so timeless. Wokewood has zero respect for these qualities, and less even for all of us who value these character traits.

@VKR actorvists

@@devinreese7704 You can't argue however that his books have a very strong story, very good and interesting characters. Things a story should focus on. I can look at the recent MCU, Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who just to name a few of the better known and beloved franchises (at least for a time), and can honestly say: most of the stuff they release don't focus on those things at all. Stories have issues in themselfs, or contradict existing stories/lore. Characters get changed to something they never been before to fit something else, where you should honor what was before. At least in my opinion: you can write something new, and make up whatever you want, that is fine. If it is good I'd bet that alot of people will watch and enjoy it. But if you take something existing, you better make sure you don't contradict what came before, you don't destroy what was established. But that is what they do - and obviously alot of fans don't want what they came to love be handled in such a way.

Martins written works, as talented as he is, do nothing to lift the spirit or leave you with any sense of meaning or purpose - for that reason his comments do not surprise me.

@@Rakshiir Wait, are you saying you can't argue Tolkien had good characters and such, or Martin's?

@@MegaSpideyman I was talking about Tolkien, since the other comment by Devin Reese talked about who he wrote for, or if he wrote for fans. And that his work back then was not as successful. Which is true, but what I meant is: it doesn't matter who or why he wrote the stuff or even that it wasn't as successful then. He still wrote good characters and an amazing story (and thats something that is hard to objectively argue with) - indicated by the fact that it needed to be translated in so many languages because people all over the world wanted to read it. Because it is the story and the characters that people love, it doesn't matter what race, skin color they are (even though Tolkien described that stuff) - what mattered is that the writing was good, both character and story. Compare that to the stuff that they write these days, mostly for shows and movies, where the main focus is not a story, or interesting characters. Maybe it wasn't clear, english is not my first language so I do make mistakes for sure.

Cry me a river. Go and be an actor then?

Diversity of appearance, not diversity of thought.

If you don't care them being Black or anything else. Why even talk about it. Them giving a fuck about it bothers you? Stop talking about it.

Yes!

Okay but you still suggest that she doesn't deserve the role just because she's black what's your point ,maybe she's a good actress.

@@erhanmustafa2103 Did you even read what was written?

Prime gaslighting.

... and then proceeds to complain "why won't they respect my interpretation of the work? I thought they were Tolkien fans."

I completely visualized this with South Park characters 😀

@@irv.79 "they took our fandom!!"

@àsperwhat?

He would sing something different

He wont live that long, and Game of Thrones is already woke and stupid

They already butt raped Game of Thrones, I think he cares mostly about money.

Even if Martin was way older, he'd have to sell his rights to GoT before they make these kinda drastic alters to the story without his approval. The issue is that the rights can be sold to whomever will pay whats asked and they can turn it into whatever they want it to be.

I imagine the Starks would be black, have an adopted hispanic child. More gay/trans representation and every villain would most certainly be a straight white male. They would also include pro immigration influences in regards to the wildlings and any dialogue concerning them. White walkers aren't the real threat, it's the patriarchy, its toxic males. The Lannisters would be a mirror reflection of the Trumps. Arya Stark will single handedly take over the Iron Throne and will inherit the first historic era of a "socialist" Westeros. We discover at this point that Arya is a bisexual immigrant from another continent, she was never a Stark. All dragons and livestock would be put down because they are a global warming threat to the kingdom. Being a woke writer sure is an easy gig.

Doing that with Rings of Power and House of the Dragon as well haha

Yea this strategy of telling the public not to watch your product has worked so well lately for so many other creators.

They also call you racist it sexist if you don't tune in, a crowd which includes the people they're trying to pander to.

Me too, I was never going to watch it as soon as the woke propaganda started.

He got that right at least despite the rest of his clueless commentary.

I mean, they paid alot of money for the production rights and lets me honest, the Tolkien Estate basically sounds like a bitch to work with, considering that what are they supposed to do, they have to make up their own stuff because they aren't allowed to use any pre-existing lore material. Also, you have to consider that Tolkien grandson is working on the show as a creative consultant. I think if anybody has the right to decide how Tolkiens work should be interpreted and adapted, it is one of his descendant, not some culture warrior online who has tits while claiming to be a sigma male.

@@shizachan8421 you must be some social justice moron. If you don't understand why Tolkien fans hate this... there is really no point in trying to explain it to you.

@@shizachan8421 They don't have to make up their own stuff - the material they have gives them a solid framework for a good story that sticks with Tolkien's original works. The only things they would need to create themselves is dialogue for the most part, and decide on things like aesthetics of places like Numenor. And Tolkien's grandson isn't working on the show, they just put his name on there to try and prove that the Tolkien Estate has signed off on all this, when in actual fact all he did was sign off on the deal and then leave them to it. Not a coincidence that Amazon waited until Christopher Tolkien died until they tried to buy the rights, or that they fired Tom Shippey from the project very early on, because Amazon has no respect for the body of work they were allowed a taste of, they just want to use it as a political vehicle, possibly the most insulting way possible to present Tolkien's work. Considering that massive lack of respect for the source material, I'd say the people who have the LEAST right to interpret and adapt the Legendarium is Amazon and the people spouting all this representation bullshit.

@@shizachan8421 Says the person with a relatively new account and no activity, yet supports the Rings of Power. So your defence is they paid a lot for the rights and some relative has signed off on it to get a large chunk of that money.... I don't have tits, for your information, and why you need to defend this show by spouting racist and aggressive insults is beyond me. If you think there is something legitimately positive about it. Please tell us what that is.

@@shizachan8421 - "creative consultant" = payoff

Yeah he is a lying old feminist cuck.

George: *plugs his ears* BLAH BLAH BLAH! I hate Tolkien! blah blah blah! I hate the new version of Tolkien blah blah!

Yeah us tolkien fans just hate black people!

yep he's only saying this because people once loved Game of Thrones and now hate it because of how awful the last seasons were

@@Ant12468 no we hate it because that jackass does not goddamn finish the books.

Amazon: "We hated that Tolkien's works didn't have any blacks or gays... so we added them in! Oh wow isn't this progression great guys?!"

It that his problem really? He is just pointing a mirror in the correct direction - You gotta get all convoluted to prove some ridiculous point? This "fans" brew in their own hatred and probably never really picked up a book. See a minority? freak out. Its a bandwagon and you are on it.

@@JoseManley It is a problem, hence why everyone is complaining about it. It seems like you're not understanding why everyone is mad, but I can further explain. As someone who has read and enjoyed all of Tolkien's works, we have standards which we expect--namely a great story, excellent character building, intricate detailed writing, etc. What we did not expect, or want, was anything politically progressive to be added to Tolkien's works--for the sake of being... well, progressive. "Enhancing the lore" in this manner, would be cheap, pandering, and simply for sales or public reputation. That is not needed in our fantasy books that we fell in love in, we don't want to have to think about "progression," we just want a story that we can immerse ourselves in--how are we to do that when we are constantly reminded of these characters that were only added for race representation? Well, that's the short of it, if you got this far, thanks for reading.

@@Jairjax I hated the last star wars films. The context, the continuity, the direction (horrible), the lazy special effect (cut and paste) and the writing...(oh the writing). I think pretty decent legitimate complaints and criticism of film. Even the particular writing and direction of a character. Acting? Yes please lets talk about it. Costuming? Yes, I would love to talk about. I rarely if ever talk about the "race" of a particular "fantasy" character. I frankly applaud the attempt to have someone in a story that (purely fantasy remember?) resembles me or I can identify....instead of 99% of the entire cast is white. (where is that token at?) (I am quite direct) Historical era film? I can be cemented in a characters race (Yes John Brown was white) but fantasy? No. Fantasy ethnic groups? (why must orcs be colorful instead of elves?) - Tolkien and Lovecraft lived in a man centric, closed off world - A world in which they wrote. I have no hate for the writers. Love them but I also know the world in which they lived - and they mirrored that world in their writing. They were afraid of the "savage" - Don't be the same. This is quite common reaction to inclusion - Marvel Thor isn't correct! (you know its a comic book right?) A black stormtrooper! (they weren't always clones) either accept it (like star trek) or just bury it and let it die in the same form it has always existed.

@@JoseManley @Jose Manley Regardless of Tolkien's past, his beliefs, or anything of that nature--I believe his lore should be respected and followed. I won't say anything further than that. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Except Tolkien is not the middle ages. In most of his work women and men have strong identities. Especially numeoreans and Elves. Not saying Hollywood messes things up. They do. But more because they dumbdown their content and want to appeal to all viewers. They think in target audiances. But I haven't seen the show. I have been boycotting Amezon for years. So no idea why I reacted. Must be the anti woke crowd getting to me.

Isn't this also a cause for the lack and avoidance of these types of people on screen outside of negative stereotypes? Like maybe if from the start there wasn't a problem with them, they wouldn't be highlighted like that, but they simply were always highlighted as different or apart, both by the directors and the fans. Even though irl nothing looks like it's all white.

It's all about inclusivity right until said inclusivity goes against their own subjective feelings. Then it's toxic or it doesn't exist. Fucking hypocritical sub-humans. For once I feel like homo sapiens would benefit from being split up. The normal people that are flawed but try their best, and the absolute dirtbags that make life isufferable for everyone around them who have to deal with their shit.

i highly doubt she's leafed through a Tolkien book let alone read them

@@xemmyQ Stark contrast to the original movies. Where all the actors read the books, some multiple times even taking notes.

GRR Martin has a vested interest in DESTROYING Tolkien’s Ring… after wasting away his own gift as a story teller… his only hope is to trash a REAL EPIC!!!

Is she so pround of her accoplishment to have female dwarf there, that does nothing to make the story better?

Cheers mate!

Also, there's a difference between making changes in order to make an adaptation or translation and making changes to things that don't need to be changed.

Great analogy

in fact coke did change the flavour and called it 'new coke'. ppl hated it so they had to change it back

@@toshiroyamada2443 ironically in blind taste tests people actually did prefer the new stuff over the old (including the man who tried to sue them over it), the problem was entirely on how it was marketed, which made people feel like they were getting something iconic stolen from them without warning. The problem with 'new coke' was coke just did it and acted like everyone complaining was somehow an idiot. To Coke's credit they managed to turn this to their advantage by cashing in heavily on nostalgia when they went 'went back' to the original stuff, but yeah, the whole incident was really a weird but useful lesson in modern marketing ... that hollwood is completely ignoring by making the same stupid mistake over and over and expecting a different result. I think somebody once defined that as insanity

Coke did that exact thing and people hated it. They had to bring back original and named it Coke Classic and then pretended nothing happened.

Well said! I think they believe that fans worship without thought the logo and brand while the truth is very opposite. Fans look greatly at lore and the world the characters are in with such a greater scrutiny. They love they show because they can immerse themselves in it. You can't immerse yourself into the tripe they are selling. It's just...so fake and phony. It's a story of a character not made for the events and story of the character but for some outside claim and purpose in our own world. That's actually anything but immersive and quite the opposite of it!

I literally cried at the bit where Galadriel said “IT’S SILMARILIN’ TIME!”, then Silmarilled all over those Balrogs. Then the audience got up and clapped.

lmao

It will be a prime show alright 💩

You will literally only be able to watch this show on a device.

It will be a show for the calendar, an event for the clock.

Worded better than I possibly could.

The problem is, most of those who say they hate what this ideology is doing to their fandoms will still watch the next installment/series. Its infuriating because these people are supporting the thing they hate. Abstinence and sacrifice are needed.

I followed his advice and didn’t watch game of thrones

Absolutely right. The phrasing is also so intelectually dishonest. How would I know wether I liked a show or not, without watching at least an episode or two? And if I watched two episodes, and it was utter bullpoop, I would of course have formed that opinion and also of course have the right to inject my opinion in a public discourse. And at that point, people like George rant about how one should not watch, if they dont like it. So the saying is completely nonsensical and without any merrit.

well said.

"they tried to keep all the fantasy tropes" thats really the problem. That both the audience and the writers fundamentally musunderstand what LoR even is. Its not a generic fantasy setting, with generic tropes that are just there accidentally. Its a love letter to northern european mythopoetry. Its a celebration of the stories that once shaped a peoples ethos, with a real connection to the land its portaying. Even george himself is completely clueless on this when he mentions "aragorns tax policy". The symbolic nature of LoR just went right over his head.

@@eldenlean5221 "mythopoetry" I remind you that word salad is actually a symptom of your schizophrenia. Your whole perception of the lotr is corrupted and based on the cheesy cliché movies, also bad writing? Where? There is literally none, you hate the series based on your cheesy corny movies from over 20 years ago. Get a grip. It is just your cope, in fact I watched a bit of the show and it was spectacular and the movies weren't that good either. They were riddled with fecal blurry filters everywhere.

@@roboticceltic2388 dunning krueger

@@eldenlean5221 That's you, everyone here knows you are actually the coping Gujarati projector who actually is still projecting and coping his dunning kruger effect and his delusions. You can't realize it because you is you. You still cope on your sh1tty blurry filters of the early 2000s movies.

@@eldenlean5221 No words on the corny cheesy bad poor acting of your 2000s movies? Thought so

Wrong color, doesn't count. Fight rayschism

@@drowningin Your comment is out of context from what I wrote.

@@cventura9048 "they showed female hobbits" Wrong color so it doesn't count. It is perfectly in context. They know what they are doing, it seems you do not

@@drowningin WTF are you talking about? My comment has to do, that they did show female dwarves. Stop trying to twist my comment into your warped narrative. You got something to say create your own new comment but don't attach it to mine.

@@cventura9048 are you going to cry? My comment improves upon yours in every way. No amount of crying will change that racist

Didn’t Christopher Tolkiens hate the Peter Jackson Lord of The Rings films as well? I’m pretty sure he would have hated this series even if it was a word for word adaptation of the original trilogy.

@@gamer7916 As I understand it, he has said he would prefer there to be no adaptation, but understands different views on this and finds the implication he would fundamentally dislike implementations and the people who do them flawed and untrue. However, what he has directly taken offense at is the complete commercialization of his father's work. I think neither he nor JRR himself would accept this series in the least.

And yet...they allowed the rights to be sold. Money talks.

@@cargosquid Technically, neither of them could have any influence. JRR had already sold the film and merchandise rights in 1968, Christopher had no influence then, and by the time Peter Jackson had made the films, Christopher could only express an opinion. As far as I know and have been able to research, the Tolkien Estate has no rights to the film and merchandise. In addition, there have already been legal disputes between the Estate and the rights holders, so I assume that no one has asked the Tolkien Estate what they think, and even if they had, they lie to the fans in public, so I can hardly imagine what AMZ would lie about behind closed doors.

He's dead.

Is it? - Did you ask him? - Are the incalculable remakes, updates, interpretations and updates of HP Lovecraft's work still Lovecraft? He left behind a legacy that can never be added to by his hand. Are you satisfied by it just being the end? Or have a number of other authors added to to his works and made it more than what it is? Has his groundwork feed numerous authors in his wake? Or you just want his dream stagnant ? - You know - Lovecraft would probably be turning in his grave right now if he knew a black man was an antagonist in any of his works. That is the way you like it?

@@JoseManley this is a good point. But let's consider HP Lovecraft for a bit. There's no denying that he's one of the most influential writers of his time. But there's also no denying that he was one of the most racist. HP lovecraft's works weren't written just as worlds of their own, but they were written as his interpretation of the world changing around him and the fear that it brought into him. For example, Cool Air was a story about air conditioning of all things. Of course all of his stories also had overt racist metaphors, and were just manifestations of his racism because the man was an openly unapologetic conservative, white supremacist and a traditionalist. His idea of what was beyond the understanding of the human psyche stems from the fact that he refused to understand the changes in society. With all of that in mind, the changes in his stories were warranted. What was once the racist interpretation of a conservative man who felt nothing but fear in an inevitably progressing world is now looked at as literally horrors beyond human understanding sans the racism. Yes, he will be turning over and doing backflips in his grave if he ever heard of a black man being the main character in his stories. And we wouldn't have it any other way. So the question towards the form of your argument is this: In comparison to HP Lovecraft's spicy spicy racist works, was there anything similar in the creations of Tolkien's stories that deems altering it as progressive instead of alienating?

@@robinjohnaranguiz7907 You are right - Lovecraft and even people like Burroughs lived in their times. Lovecraft lived in self isolated world - even Burroughs faked a lot of his knowledge and experience of the "dark continent" and the "savages" within. Was Tolkien racist? As much as his time and world allowed I don't think he was as racist as any other white man in America during that time. His writing shows a particular multi-cultural world (as much as fantasy creatures would allow) ..and that is what confuses me - many scholars better than us have said - - he invented - a polycultured, polylingual world is absolutely central" to Middle-earth. Yet - many fans are offended at another skin other than "good" equals "pasty" and "Bad" equals "brown" - Is that the way Tolkien wanted it? I think its what he saw. All he saw. While during his time at Oxford he may only seen a black man as a cleaner or servant - today things have changed and I do believe he would have written in a different manner had he been alive today. I think yes. Things have changed - I think its alright to change somethings without misdelivering the overall message - And I think his creation has grown beyond the little fussy people who are currently "gate-keeping" - I mean it survived Rankin and Bass's animated films -Long live Bakshi

@@JoseManley That is a very good way to look at it. Diversifying his already diverse and established world really wouldn't be far from what he'd written himself if we were to extend his stories regarding society on our era. But there is still the matter of balancing on the fine line of being progressive yet faithful, in comparison to being (*arguably) narcissistic about new contributions/inclusivity while retconning parts of established lore. I think that's what throws off most of Tolkien's fans. The sheer focus on what's new at the price of disregarding some aspects of what's already been established for a long time now. (*This is all from the outside looking in, I myself am not part of Tolkien's fan base. While I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the story, I can for certain sniff the air of narcissism coming from portions of the new inclusive cast. Take the rest of this comment with the part in the parenthesis notwithstanding, since everything in this small separated part is of my own opinion of how the story has been presented and not the story itself.) Again, it would not be wrong to add new things to the story that relate to how society has changed since Tolkien's time. But maybe there could have been a better way to execute said changes, in a manner that was as carefully crafted, well thought, and well constructed as the original books. So far, the consensus seems to be that it wasn't so well executed.

@@JoseManley yes, i'd quite appreciate it if the blacks were left out of lovecraftian works. I don't read the new fanfic shit about cthulhu anyway. Feel free to continue arguing with your alt, i don't frankly care.

I mean they hired complete randos to make a billion dollar series, it would be strange if marketing team is competent

as if amazon cares about making money on tv shows. this is social engineering, its not a for profit business venture

The marketing team knows full well how polarizing it is. Its their goal. They only do this to established franchises that they feel are going to make money regardless.

Remember: "Kill the past if you have to."

@@TheSuperappelflap I'm gonna call BS on that. Everything companies do is for profit, they have investors (often anonymous) who want to make their money back. Amazon is ruining Tolkien for thousands of us, but I'd bet that a million people will still mindlessly watch the show.

GRR Martin has a vested interest in DESTROYING Tolkien’s Ring… after wasting away his own gift as a story teller… his only hope is to trash a REAL EPIC!!!

@@TheGeoDaddy AHAHAHAHA.

So true...

"Tolkien never actually said that" sun tzu art of war

"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."

Ikr lol

Ah, yes it's so mature to shame people for how they looks.

@@kdnu27 no less mature than assuming racism is the be all and end all for people’s rejection of this coming dumpster fire.

@@kdnu27 I think they were saying this speaking on the fact that the actor who plays Durin IV looks like he cant stand her in person. Not that he finds her unattractive based on looks.

He sure looks mighty uncomfortable sitting next to her, listening to her go on and on...

When she’s sees playbacks of the interview.. how long till his character is recast or killed off after she complaines

I agree. I love the Korean action movies, but not the ones with a big name American start. Remember the the Van Damm movies-UGH!!!=

According to crazy people asians are honorary white people.

Stop the cap. Every Asian movie that gets remade makes sure to replace the Asian men. They don’t even have to be Korean. If the original story has an Asian guy as the main character, we gladly replace him with a white guy. Check out Extraordinary Measures, Save the Last Dance, Hachi, Deathnote, Bullet Train, 21, Edge of Tomorrow, etc. We hate seeing Asian guys in good guy lead roles. You and I both know that.

I enjoy Korean movies and TV too. Kingdom is brilliant. Ashin of the North. And Train to Busan is one of my all time favourite films. I couldn't believe it when there were rumours it was being remade by a western studio.. Why?! Its fkin perfect as is! The site that wrote the articles comments section was a very angry place. No-one wants that! no-one asked for that! Again, it's down to greedy, talentless, creatively bankrupt western studios seeing something original and brilliant and coveting it. If it gets made, I'll never watch it.

@@brootal4234 Most people dislike those white-washed stuffs...

It makes one wonder if it’s a conspiracy to ruin the culture or if it’s just the result of cultural degradation………

money

College

Communism…

There is this famous movie critic that says something alone the lines of "We are so imbued in social media, living through screen, exposed to the same standardized experience via algorithm (its is only job to seduce you according to which archetype you fit in) that no one else longer lives a particular / unique life, or our own take on rites of passage (love, heartbreak, succès, defeat) now when we go through any human experience the exposition to other humans live, make us all grey through our experiences. So, no new takes on being human... No new takes in written or film or paint or any other art form, that's why the quality overall all the arts is going bland, downhill

A real activist is not part of the system. They're working for Amazon...

Yea a "message" just because some fictional character is black. It's still the same fucking story you fcking losers. You hate because every black actor must represent some kinda of leftist "message" !? So fucking retarted. Plus what she is saying doesn't matter.

"We" as in racists? The show kicks ass.... It gives me great joy to see your kind get triggered. It's almost, almost as fun as the show!

@@Alex-lg1yh lol the show is literally poo.

@@Alex-lg1yh yes. I'm personally glad you enjoy seeing us bothered, when we get to deal with your kind you will wish you had never left the closet.

👍

Also that actress probably doesn't have the talent to act and talk like a man...oh wait. I can't wait for her to become a meme and be the poster gal for how not to be an actor.

Beards

Well in her defence she’s not very feminine!

Oh my made up god’s how dare u sir these programs are not meant to be enjoyed by u ur meant to learn to hate ur self get with the program sir/madam/it/swamp/cat(insert ur preferred pronoun)🥸

It's why I can't watch the new Star Trek stuff. They had that one scene with Stacy Abrams playing the President of Earth or whatever. It's just blatant political pandering and it's ridiculous. The people responsible for it should be ashamed but instead they're empowered and feel like they're doing something necessary to fight some sort of invisible evil. Essentially they hate Democracy because they feel it needs to be fixed. They feel that only their side is correct. Can you imagine if some show had Ted Cruz as the President of Earth? It would be ridiculous. I'm not against it because Stacy Abrams is a Democrat. I'm against it because it's ridiculous. I don't want real world politics in my entertainment.

Now that I think about it we still don’t know ANYTHING about the story and characters from trailers and interviews aside from diversity and inclusion

You don't see the cast of the expanse constantly talking about how diverse the show is, even tho its probably the most diverse show on tv... that's because the show is well written and the cast have got a lot to say about the characters that they are playing and the story that is being told....

Or that she's just a bad actor

@@Ma55ey Youre not wrong but with Season 3 or 4 they realy started to rub it into the Audience Faces. Same shit happens with the Boys and that whole "dont be afraid of strong Power Women because they are actually better than you" shit.

@@ahabduennschitz7670 I just mean that I never saw Dominique Tipper on a panel saying how grateful she was for this role as a woman of colour.. the show was full of strong take no shit women.. but never felt the need to belittle the male characters in order to prop them up I didn't feel hit over the head with any message while watching the show. its diversity or the sexuality of any of its characters was never brought up as the shows usp...

The goal was to be applicable, not allegorical. Sad people miss the difference.