Tarik Alleyne she actually called/write Roman that "but he's my dumdum" in rwby chibi I don't know what episode but it has something about 'button' in the title
@@oworeagan8565 Chibi isn't canon, but yes, she does care about Roman, and he did care for her as well (since he was visibly angry when Ruby sent her flying in Volume 3)
I don't see Neo teaming up with RWBY considering Ruby indirectly caused Roman's death and considering that Neo had a close relationship with him.... Yeah...
@@Da_caffeinated_insomniac I think it just makes it more of a believable moment like she's both annoyed at the fact neo pointed it out and herself cause she forgot lol
Ne's fighting style just has so much class, it's great that even she can stand up to Cinder one on one without her maiden powers, in so many of those freeze frames she was fighting with her hand on her back. She's not even afraid to taunt Cinder.
Yeah cause from her sword, movements and her way of parying attacks, it's clear she's a fencer and as I've seen, they mostly fight with an arm behind their back.
That's a fencing style, not a taunt. Having your arm behind your back makes you harder to hit. Still shows that that she isn't some criminal lowlife but rather someone with the skills of an actual huntress
That is so funny. Neo just chucks Cinder's Maiden ass out the window. Best comedic part of an action scene and RWBY doesn't have any comedic scenes during their fights so that says a lot.
@@ChristopherCapersJones It also makes you wonder what Neo did to not only throw her ass out the window but what did she do do to close that sizeable gap between them to do so.
I don’t think that Neo knew that Ruby was alive because for all she knows Ruby perished along side Roman on the airship so it would make sense she would hunt Cinder over Ruby
@@slumberingember Neo wasn't there when the grimm ate him, and the last she saw was him fighting Ruby. Your logic is flawed. The real reason for targeting Cinder is that Neo assumed Roman took Ruby down with him, and because it was Cinder's plan Roman was part of Neo had a new target. Neo doesn't know about Salem or how Cinder actually controls the grimm; she just knows that Cinder was the mastermind of the fall of Beacon, and that Roman was a casualty of Cinder's plan.
Fun Fact: Neo wasn't originally supposed to be mute, but RT couldn't get a Voice Actor for her in time so she had no spoken dialogue. The community latched on to her muteness as a meme and thus was made canon. Additional fun fact: Roman Torchwick was supposed to be a throwaway "villain of the week" to introduce Cinder, but he was liked so much that they made him a main antagonist.
actually Neo does have a voice actor to make grunts and such when fighting I think they just wanted Neo to be mute so we could see how powerful see is even without talking
Nah, Neo realizes beating cinder is a little out of her league right now but she can run with ease so she's not terrified of her power, it's just Cinder is giving her a new target to vent so there's no reason not to listen.
I think that Neo knew from the beginning that she couldn't beat cinder since she has maiden power. This fight was just a way to make sure that she actually can't defeat her and also a way to find a better way to kill her and Ruby : she can't kill cinder, so they'll go after ruby, so team rwby will fight against cinder and this is when she'll backstab her. Then she'll take revenge on Ruby. Since not even Yang (who is btw the best fighter of team rwby) couldn't even touch her, killing rwby will be easy af
Neo probably understand well Ruby had no chance of beating Roman, so the one to blame would be Cinder for dragging them into all of that crap. Then again revenge can be blind, but I think our little Rubes is safe-ish from a combined neo/cinder front while Neo looks for the best time to shank cinder.
Neo clearly has an advantage against opponents who rely on brute strength. Neo’s quick, timed, and well-placed strikes are made using her opponent’s reliance on strength over agility and movement. Cinder made wide, sweeping motions while Neo made narrow, tight, focused movements to hit Cinder. Neo’s fighting style is also more highly refined to be unpredictable. She rarely was hit directly by Cinder because she was able to anticipate the aggressive, wide attacks and dodged as the blows were still being made. Her fight against Yang also showed her use of her opponent’s anger to her advantage. When adrenaline starts going the way it did with both Yang and Cinder, thought goes out of the window and you think with your fists. Neo stays collected and calm in a fight, coordinating her strikes to keep her opponent on their toes rather than giving into rage or pride. I’m certain that had Cinder not been a maiden, Neo would have been able to defeat her far more easily in the alleyway. You can see how Neo is able to keep up with Cinder and is even a step or two ahead in most scenarios. Neo is the better fighter without a doubt.
She was rarely hit by cinder because cinder was playing soft. Cinder didnt even pulled her knifes out until the very end of the fight, she fought her with her bare hand for 90% of it and spent the whole time trying to desescalate the situation. Despite this, cinder managed to: -blockthe umbrella 0:33 -kick neo 0:45 -grab neo, and launch her across the room 1:00 -nearly killed her 1:05 How is this "dominating her opponent"? And besides, look at the amplitude of every punch cinder gives. Neo hit fast, but weak. Every punch coming from cinder hit like a god damn truck, it's a mountain vs the red viper kind of fight, one mistake and neo is out.
@@romualdcaffeserre6230 have you ever heard of exhausting your opponent while striking ? Her attacks may be weak but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t hurt or affect your movement of your vision. Just like how she uses her environment. If Cinder doesn’t have the Maiden’s power he wouldn’t even have a chance and he would only have a bow and a blade in hand. Exhausting her but since she is a maiden it would take more that to take her down or exhausted her.
You know your stuff, your analysis is on spot. Neo does use a more close range approach which also corresponds to her size as well as her sembelance. Cinder was too aggravated and wasting movement at a close range. Neo was more calm and didn’t make as many unnecessary moves which ensured that she had the upper hand, until Cinder used her Fall maiden power. This is one of the reasons I like this show. The fights are very beautifully coordinated and very entertaining. For example, ruby using a synth (not sure I spelled that right) a weapon massive in size and long range requires her to use distance and momentum to execute her attack and defense. This also includes how she uses the sniper rifle.
Me, before seeing this episode: Neo's design is amazing, there is no way that it can be improved. Roosterteeth: *Gives Neo a bowler hat* Me: I stand corrected
My favorite moment is the bit right after 0:47 where Neo distracts Cinder by using the bowls and stuff, then when she has an opening, tries to slice Cinder's neck open. This isn't the Neo that would savor the kill like she was trying to do with Yang back in Season 2. She wanted Cinder DEAD, and all it takes is one neck slice.
@@snakeslife-uroborodjinn790 I don’t think she necessarily expected it to work just like that, but when you’re trying to kill someone, you go for the kill regardless of life force shielding.
@@blxoom Neo isn't that easily swayed, she knows she can't beat Cinder alone with her maiden powers. She's probably just waiting for the right time to take Cinder out and using her to get to Ruby.
If Neo became the Vegeta of this series and just comes and goes as she pleases and maybe work with Ruby and the others she might top Yang for me as fav character.
It's so funny how the mob lady is like, "How about you take it outside?" And Neo and Cinder look at each other and the next thing we see is them breaking through the window. I'm imagining Neo looking at Cinder before then and bobbing her head at the door like she's miming, "The door?" And Cinder's already breaking through the glass like, "WINDOW!"
"How about you take it outside?" They both paused, silence passes as they slowly turned to the other. Neo gives Cinders a look as if asking if they should actually take the fight outside, while Cinders simply shrugs. Neo sighs, bobbing her head in the direction of the door. She couldn't speak so she hoped this would convey enough to Cinders that they should walk out. Cinders, either out of pure ignorance over what Neo tried to convey, spite or not noticing the other's movement. She yells, "THE WINDOW" then turns around and bolts towards the window while Neo quickly follows her wondering why the fuck they couldn't just walk out the door like normal people.
I'm sorry... ...Neo got *STRONGER?* Pre-Time Skip Neo curbstomped the hell outta Yang, and here she mostly had Cinder on the defensive until she activated Maiden power. *Damn.* Guess that's what happens when you've got nothing left to lose...
It’s entirely likely that the Neo that Cinder fought in the restaurant was a total illusion, meaning she’s strong enough that her illusions have some form of force behind them and can somehow interact with physical things It’s a bit far fetched, but definitely would show off Neo’s strength now
To be fair, Yang was still only an inexperienced student at the time. Sure Yang beat up some normal thugs here and there and has a strong semblance, but she never fought anyone like Neo before (that and she was already tired from not having much sleep at the time, IIRC), so Neo effortlessly owning Yang isn't really anything to brag about for her.
I mean, Neo got casually stomped on and forced to flee by a Raven who wasn't even using her own Maiden powers, while Cinder was good enough to have an extended battle against a fully pissed off and all out Raven and, if not win, at least manage to not die. Being able to force Cinder (who, admittedly, didn't even want to fight) to pull out Maiden powers is a pretty hefty power up for Neo.
Cinders logic is flawed. It was Cinder that got Roman killed. Because CInder forced Roman to get involved with that plan. It was CInders Plan to release the grimm. Cinder is the cuase for Romans death.
@@GenshinLover283 Yes, I was going off that plus this, which appears to be another brute-force assault. The important part is there are now two data points.
Neo's fighting style, as can be surmised based on her fights, uses flexibility to counterattack opponents and literally weave around them, pretty much dominating fighters who rely on simple brute force (like Yang). Got to dance around like Neo to beat Neo.
What's even more amazing about this scenes design is Jess Williams musical composition with Casey Lee almost singing the lyrics of Neos emotions or words. Through Casey you can tell Neo really loved Roman and he was important to her. That's what made this scene even more awesome to me. And at the end there were no words being sung by Casey because there were no words Neo wanted to convey at that point. Just anger. She just wanted to hurt Cinder. So there were no words needing to be spoken/sung.
I love how everyone in this show knows Kung fu, and has special abilities. Almost like final fantasy or seven deadly sins. And the fights are beautifully executed.
I honestly think that's part of why there's so much fan content. The magic system (the modern one, not the ancient one that maidens and the like still use) is fun to workshop characters for, and then you get to have fun with the weapons because they can usually transform.
@@Star_moses Monty's wife got kicked out after Monty died (no idea why, but it happened). She was also originally intended to voice Winter instead of Neo.
byMatias 150 That’s because she is using the umbrella as a sword and Cinder couldn’t use her powers in door because that would cause her attention and the crazy lady would of track her down and killed Cinder. You can see that Cinder only used her real power until they got outside.
I do appreciate how they kept the general floatiness of Neo's character during fights. How she curls up small during flips to speed up her trajectory and uses her umbrella to move herself around where she is fighting. Neo's fighting style is fluid and you can tell she knows how to use her surroundings properly because being an illusion user, everything is useful. Senses, movement, surroundings, memories, etc.. It's all useful to help get the edge on your opponent. She's not just a skilled fighter, she's clever in her use of semblance.
Enough guns will take down almost everyone, and the real threat was the cops coming if they made a fuss murdering everyone in the bar. Also to be fair we don't know how strong Little Miss Malachite is and neither of them could have afforded being distracted by another threat while they fought.
Neo is the absolute reason I want to have an umbrella just like hers ad practice fighting with it. Also, I'm not sure if I agree with the green eye shadow....
I like it better when cinder fought hand to hand. Her fighting style looked ferocious. Blood thirsty. Much better than her throwing around fire and glass. Plus her more subtle uses of her power compared to flying around.
Am I the only one a tad bit sad that her eye colors didn't change or switch the whole fight...? I explicitly remember both eyes were white when she got scared... Edit: Guys, it wasn't an animation error. If it was, it wouldn't be so consistent and it would have been solved by volume 3 because even during that time, her eye colors switch. Also, it's a part of her uniqueness. It's why the camera paid close attention to it during her first fight with Yang! So removing it? Just shows how lazy they are to animate that...
Her eye colours also swapped depending on whether she was on the defensive or offensive. When her eye colours matched the sides of her hair, she was defending, but they swapped when she switched to attack. Maybe they just forgot. ... Or Neo wasn’t even trying this whole fight.
I love how if you slow it down and pause it at 0:55, you can see that Neo had the blade of her weapon out when she went for Cinder's throat. It's the little details that make this so good.
Well technically Ruby didn’t kill Roman. It was the Grimm he was the one who decided to go up and fight while hundreds of Grimm were flying in the sky. He should have known one was bound to attack. But for the sake of the plot I’m going to leave it alone for now. But it was technically Cinder since she did threaten him with death if he didn’t corporate so Neo’s judgement wasn’t misplaced
Vixen the demon fox Vixen I don’t think he really cared that he could get attacked at any moment. He was too drunk with power which made him the best villain
@@blackpinkluv9869 It actually was something else that killed him. His cocky attitude protected him, in fact, he shielded his emotions behind a nonchalant facade. But faced with Ruby he went on his cynical little rant about how it's a dog-eats-dog world and he has to do what he has to do to surv*CHOMP*. Grimm are attracted by strong and/or negative emotions and he let his emotions shine through his usual act, making himself a target for the gryphon.
@@blackpinkluv9869 More like "The Writers that decided that he should have an angry motive rant that didn't really tie in with his character, but they wanted him dead for reasons".
BlackLion the grim feed on emotions. Making him a ticking time bomb (which further proves why he’s one of the best villains) he doesn’t care who wins wether it’s humans or Faunus. His emotions were like a tracking device for the grim
Sam Bradley if she-by some magical force-gets in, she can’t have any interactions with characters. It’s a shame since it would be awesome for her to have an interaction with Yang or Rabbit.
UH Cinder, you do realize that Roman wouldn't have died if it wasn't for the Grimm that showed up, specifically because of your plan right. You're more to blame than Ruby.
@@thedarklordx She's probably trying to manipulate Neo. After all, Neo was able to put Cinder on the defensive for most of the fight until Cinder brought out her full powers. Who WOULDN'T want someone like her on their side?
No Bgs I still think Neo’s playing her. Neo’s either smart enough to know when she’s being manipulated or she’s angry enough that both Ruby and Cinder are on her kill list
yaaa cinder totaly forced roman to walk out to 100s of flying grim like a dumbass ya soooo cinders failt thats like saying its not the guys failt for puting his hand in a bear trap its his freands for bringing him there thats bad logic
"What are you doing?" Spoken to a character that literally doesn't talk, gotta love those moments where normally someone would respond all there is, is silence.
It seems like Neo has never seen Cinder use her maiden powers. She probably only knew just as much as Roman did, and followed Cinder's orders in the tournament because she knew it would end with him getting released.
Ahhh, that final clash before maiden mode was sooo good. It's almost as good as Sun vs Torchwick. Those gun chucks were soo good! This is definitely my 2nd favorite rwby fight
@@noobartist6009 I think Cinder easily figured out that Roman and Ruby had to have fought, because I think in Cinder's eyes, the only one who could've killed Torchwick is in fact, Ruby. Easy deduction to make. It's certainly not an inconsistency worth anything, anyways.
@@noobartist6009 At the time, did anyone even pose a threat to Cinder besides maybe Pyrrha? It only makes sense that she would think Ruby would be the one to fight Torchwick (especially since she knows they have fought before).
Neo wouldve won, Cinder is still sloppy and she may be stronger but neo has better experience dealing with sronger foes. also I hope Cinder dies from Neo or Tyrian
The way Cinder says Neo's name at 0:14 is one of my favorite parts of this video. For once, the unshakable Cinder is bewildered and possibly afraid of Neo, and she has no preparation for what will happen.
This is the first fight where Neo's been hit. Got hit once by a upward kick from Cinder and again by a kick that laid her out on that table right before Cinder fire-punched the floor. She's gotten stronger sure, but Cinder is still a force to be reckoned with.
Well actually, the Cinder was fighting a clone of Neo that entire time before they got outside. You can tell because the Neo that was shown outside had Roman's hat, damaged clothes, and a much more serious expression then she did in that den.
@@pisces6628 It's more than likely an illusion rather than a clone. Like, an illusory skin that makes her look unharmed. We have zero indication as to exactly what her semblance is. If it was cloning, there's no way she could keep it up that long. Sun can only make his clones last a handful of seconds, and his arent even exact copies, plus they can't talk or really do anything other than brief physical action.
@@scowlinsun Huh, you're right! My bad, but if that's the case then how exactly does her illusion "shatter" if it were just an illusion? I'm probably going to deep into these but curiosity!
@@pisces6628 Your curiosity is warranted, I don't think it's ever been clearly explained. Maybe one day. Until then, really either explanation could be true!
It's an improvement in the fighting choreography. The animation has always gotten better with each volume. It was the fighting choreography that suffered and is now improving again.
Ookay, I might give this show another chance now, maybe. Neo was pretty much a beast here, I'm proud and sad for her when I saw that hat. But Im still cringing when it comes to Cinder
Well, Ruby did directly help cause Cinder to lose the fight against Raven due to damaging her enough beforehand to require Grimm-implants, which in turn let Raven much more easily damage her since she can't shield those Grimm parts with Aura.
Not quite the strongest in that scenario, I think top tier elites like Qrow, Raven and Tyrian could probably defeat her in CQC, albeit with considerable difficulty. But she'd certainly rank in the top 10 for sure, though there's quite a bit of stiff competition there. I don't think she's the untouchable combat goddess people make her out to be, but she is still extremely skilled and capable, especially for someone in her early 20s.
I love the little details like them both actually stopping when the woman tells them to take this outside, Neo's illusion lacking the ripped legging, necklace or hat, Neo's VERY evident fear in the face of Cinder's Maiden powers, her blinking the eye flame away, and of course, her reminding Cinder that she's mute with a look, prompting just an (embarassed?) 'Right...' from Cinder. That last bit is honestly pretty damn funny.
Amy Louise Wilson It was Roman’s own fault for monologuing about how “unfair” the world is while surrounded by monsters who are attracted to negativity.
Its technically rubies fault. She opened neos umbrella leading to the situation that got roman killed. Even if it was fated to happen anyways, at least neo would have been there to help. Even if she couldn’t help then at least she would know theres no one to blame but cinder. But since ruby caused neo to fly away it was rubies fault or least in neos head it is.
The one actual good fight after Volume 3. Its not as tight well paced as Monty's but they kept Neo's style quite loyal to what Monty did and really showed how good of a fighter she is by going toe to toe against Cinder (aka Plot armor lady)
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