Or, Ruby was only semi-broken down at the time since she had yet to perfect it, which meant she may have had a solid spot at the center of her ”petal” form. That’s my take anyway.
Now it all makes sense. I wondered why she never used her semblance to break the sound barrier and bypass all the Grimm and wasted her time when she could’ve saved Pyrrha in time, though Pyrrha must’ve also lost some brain cells with how suicidal she became in season 3 to abandon Jaune to fight some cunt witch that was way out of her element and whom she had no logical reason to fight.
My explanation here: Ruby knows she can use her semblance on others. Shes done that before, as this video shows. However, now there's five people she needs to transport instead of one. Ruby doesnt think she can do that, she's only ever transported one other person maximum. Penny comes in and explains that because of how her semblance works, mass doesnt matter (meaning she could transport a hundred people if she wanted to). So now Ruby knows she can use it on how many people she likes without her overexerting her aura, and it wont be any more difficult than transporting one. As for the "Can't have force without mass" thing... yeah i got nothing. Consistency error.
This sounds about right. But two things to think about. 1. Penny is most likely theorizing based on her observations, which may or may not be wholy accurate and possibly missing some aspects that she and ruby are not aware of yet. 2. I remember a scene with Penny and ruby in volume 2 where Penny was "too heavy" for rwby to carry with her semblance. But that may have been due to some other fault or just inexperience on ruby's part. Idk but it's fun to think about
@@kattherinvilla8942 Petal burst definitely started as just superspeed with a particle trail, that has gotten more powerful over time. We know just from the tailwind from the Food Fight that Ruby can hit around mach 100 with Petal Burst if she goes all out, but that basically drains her aura completely to hit that velocity, so she generally only uses it at Usain Bolt velocity. When she tries to carry Penny later in season 2, Petal Burst is still upgrading from Fancy Superspeed to Molecular Disassociation, and it only actually gets to that point starting with Season 7. even if the swirling rosebud is the standard graphic for seasons 4-6.
She might have subconsciously turned back into her physical form at that time as she's conditioned to think that "I can't dodge this,I'm going to be hit" since she wasn't fully aware of what her semblance can do yet. Which is probably why she developed a way to split herself while in her semblance form to dodge when necessary. But I got nothing on the 'cant have force without mass' part though
To be fair though, I've seen much better shows fail with shit like this. It still kinda infuriates me to think how Toph can apparently see any earth around her, even when there's no physical chain of contact between it and her and it's just floating in the air where there's no physically possible way for her feel it vibrating, unless of course the writers decide they need there to be a problem. Then there are the times that her seismic sense just stops working right for no real reason, like when she could only see the small island she made in the middle of the Serpent's Pass, despite the fact that it was still actually connected to the seabed and she should've been able to see the shore through that and just make a bridge of rock so she could she could run across. Or the time she almost crushed Sokka under a boulder she was shooting at those buzzard wasps, despite the fact that she should've been able see him fine as they were both standing on the same solid rock. My point is that, comparatively, this more of a small nitpick, but it's good to know that, based on everyone's reactions I made the right call bailing on this show back in Volume 6.
@Vulkan Lives Hate to repeat myself by playing devil's advocate twice in a row, but to be fair isn't that exactly what the Flash did? He went from running fast to turning intangible and eventually worked up to reality warping. Not saying it was good, but it's not an unprecedented evolution either.
If there was no mass, his kick would of gone through her. But that begs the question; how can Ruby even SEE while she’s in that form? Does she still have access to all of her senses, even when scattered to a molecular level?
I would also like to add that if she has no mass, she has zero kinetic energy. I believe this is a better explanation as to how she shouldn’t be able to knock people down or to break doors
BUT BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! HE LET US DECIDE IF WE WANTED TO GET THE ABILITY TO CONVENIENTLY TURN INTO A BIRD WHENEVER WE WANTED!!!!!! No drawbacks, only birb... The horror...
Well, I mean of course it seems silly to us. But to them, semblances are as natural as walking on two legs, and any extra ability would be equivalent to some mad scientists sewing another leg onto someone with shoddy, unknown science. Weird comparison, but you'd freak out too, wouldn't you?
Penny explained like that make me scare that when Ruby use her semblance with her frineds they gonna melt into each other like that weird parody commercial of that kids drink some orange juice and liquid themself to go play with there friends but end up melting in each other and turn to monster and that basket ball guy need to put them down.... and i have other a weird thought now
@@firewolf950tfwgaming7 well then how about like Conjoinment Thread in 4chan haha when they combine there body part together. well i been in the internet too deed again
@@crazy13alex If Ruby turned into Molecules, She'd be untouchable, which contradicts the times her semblence was interrupted. If she became tangible petals, she'd be able to do the things she already has and still have it make sense why she can get interrupted, since you can still hit her petals.
@@crazy13alex If she's massless, she should have The Flash levels of power. It's the same concept, right, but if she can make herself massless instead of just rose pedals, she's infinitely strong.
Yeah honestly the bird thing can just as easily be a semblance if you can Fucking turn yourself into disassembled Rose molecules but apparently that falls under magic rules so animal transformation can't be a semblance
Well... Weiss: *I know that we have Dust, Semblance. Magic doesn't exist.* (Raven turns from bird into human form) Weisd: *Magic does exist! (With suprised face)* Me who was watching the show: *Girl! Your semblance are a magic circle. A. M. A. G. I. C. C. I. R. C. L. E.!!* And it is hereditary. A magic circle!
If Ruby can break herself down to the atomic level to make herself massless then what's stopping her from traveling at light speed? What's stopping her from turning herself into an atomic bomb by smashing her own atomic structure back together? I mean theoretically couldn't she turn herself into a fucking miniature star? And she can do this to other people and things? Couldn't she theoretically break someone down at the atomic level and just not put them back together? What's preventing her from undoing all of creation? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ROOSTERTEETH?
What is stopping her doing all that is that isn't how her power works. Seriously, why is everyone suddenly expecting standard earth physics to apply in *RWBY* of all things? It never has before and there's no reason to expect to suddenly start doing so now. Remnant physics ain't like our Earth physics.
well that was because before she thought the weight of the person mattered regarding transportation when using her semblance when in doesn't since they can just convert to molecules like she does
@@KyleDoroja 8 months late and I call cap, ruby didn't know penny was pure metal when she tried it, so in her mind, she could move penny but still couldn't
I missed it when Ruby's semblance was just extreme speed enhanced by her weapons's high recoil and her light bodyweight. Not sure why she would give up the ability to create vacuums almost equivalent to a hurricane. Imagine how strong she would be.
in the food fight she was able to become the petal blob while going fast so not sure why she suddenly lost that after. the writers wont let their literal speedster go fast
Not to mention Penny's explanation makes no sense when you consider she used her semblance to create literal hurricanes in multiple fights and even her Volume 4 trailer. How could she do that if she has no mass during her semblance use?
@@snakeslife-uroborodjinn790 I guess it would make sense if Ruby can reinstate mass while still moving, but that still begs the question of why she never does it since it's such a powerful ability. Even to the point where she wouldn't need Crescent Rose because her Semblance is a weapon itself.
@@inplane9970 Penny says Ruby's mass is "negated" not gone, meaning she still has mass just not all of it, enough so she can be attacked when using her semblance and crash through shit and grab people like the door when fighting the AceOps and Nora and Weiss.
If they claim this garbled nonsense to be canon, then can we all take a moment to admire just how overpowered Mercury may be. He's probably the first/only character we've seen so far to be able to connect with and directly repel disassembled molecules.
@@tobizerker4153 Using all this "logic" the RWBY-verse has made towards this, then "logically" speaking Mercury basically has the ability to break the fabric of reality. But that's being logical, and we all know RWBY does not allow logic.
Wait but didn’t people say that Ruby’s semblance changed or “evolved” since volume 3. In volume 3 it was like Pyrrha, it was like speed with rose petals. But then in the volume 4 teaser they showed Ruby splitting up her rose petals. So unless we get a rematch between Mercury and Ruby, I dare say she probably wouldn’t get hit this time. Correct me if I’m wrong.
To any writers out there: Don't have your characters use technobabble unless you A. understand what you're saying and B. intend for those specific details to matter.
Another tip: If you're writing a fantasy story, don't drag scientific ideas in to explain things unless you absolutely have to, which most of the time you don't since people don't need to know all the information of how super speed works, just that it does.
I am so glad everyone remembered the both times she used her semblance to carry Weiss or Nora, I sat here shit faced when Ruby didn’t even know what she did before
tbh considering Ruby designed Crescent Rose and built it herself she should be something of an engineering genius by in-universe standards and likely knows a bit about Biology and would completely understand everything that Penny said.
Um... (A) Penny didn't say Ruby's mass was entirely negated and, given how Ruby's been shown to move at varying levels of speed, it seems evident she can control how much it's negated. (B) In case you forgot, Aura is a thing - so even in an immaterial state, Ruby could impact or ricochet off of surfaces. Hell, Aura might even play a role in propulsion for all we know, given she seems to generate bursts of air along with reducing her mass. (C) Penny's asking Ruby to transport multiple people at once - which, AS VEXED HIMSELF JUST PROVED IN HIS OWN CLIPPED SCENES, Ruby's never done before. Sorry if this is harsh... but when the vid can be debunked in three simple sentences, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here XD
@@mrmetroid1078 Dude, your copy paste doesn't work everywhere. As i have been actually typing around the place the problem with her semblance goes beyond her being able to negate mass or travel with people. Its why she can't atomize people and objects and how you would even kill her now since she could just reform her body.
@@Merilirem I disagree on that front because... well, I don't really see that as a "problem" with her Semblance since this isn't the first time a Semblance has warped physics like that - that goes to Raven Branwen for creating literal portals that can link two spaces together. Likewise, I don't think you can "reform" if you're hit before you can use it - and even if you discount that, Mercury hit her so we can assume someone with Aura can still make contact with her if she's got her own up for propulsion or to amp her Semblance's effects on her body (I say that since Semblances are specifically stated to be strengthened and primary fed by an active Aura, a Semblance without an active Aura would likely be greatly reduced in effect). So at the very least it's *not yet* in game-breaking grounds - there's concern it could get there, but it's not there yet.
@@mrmetroid1078 Its definitely a question. I mean for all we know she could already be there since its been awhile and she's clearly changed since that fight. I just hope they tackle it. Even if they give her these powers Salem could still use magic to trump her, so atleast thats a safety net for her OP ness. I mean even if she can reform Salem could just put her in magical pots and lock her out of the fight. Will definitely return to this topic if they explain further.
I figure his aura hit her aura. Although honestly, semblences have never needed to obey Earth physics. It's weird that the video seems to feel that just because Ruby turns into a cloud of massless particles that they suddenly have to behave like they would on Earth rather than Remnant's very different rules of nature.
@@irrevenant8724 Just one problem with that theory, his father stole his aura and he killed his father before his father could return it (if it could be returned).
My theory of this part of her Semblance is called Petal Tunnel (name pending). Essentially, she can travel through space in a tunnel she “digs” with her Aura (I mean, she even looks like she drills through the air). One might consider the shape of her tunnels similar to the root of a plant. This, at least to me, satisfies not only her ability to travel upwards despite not having the ability of flight, but also her ability to temporarily separate herself as she travels.
Sigh we shouldn't have to be theorising this stuff. It should have been properly explained to us in the show but the writers are too incompetent for that.
Um... (A) Penny didn't say Ruby's mass was entirely negated and, given how Ruby's been shown to move at varying levels of speed, it seems evident she can control how much it's negated. (B) In case you forgot, Aura is a thing - so even in an immaterial state, Ruby could impact or ricochet off of surfaces. Hell, Aura might even play a role in propulsion for all we know, given she seems to generate bursts of air along with reducing her mass. (C) Penny's asking Ruby to transport multiple people at once - which, AS VEXED HIMSELF JUST PROVED IN HIS OWN CLIPPED SCENES, Ruby's never done before. Sorry if this is harsh... but when the vid can be debunked in three simple sentences, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here
Molecules have mass, it's just an extremely small mass. If we assume the force Ruby exerts moving forward is the same as the force when she runs in her normal form, then an extremely small mass will mean an extremely high acceleration. That being said, we likely would hardly see her because the speed would be so great. However, if we assume the force remains the same for each molecule, then all of her molecules simultaneously pushing on the door at that force might theoretically be able to break through, seeing as the number of molecules in a person's body is so large. However, this begs the question. How is Mercury able to kick her in this form without his leg being utterly obliterated? I assume it's because the impact is spread out over time, but even still, the force of the mass of a small woman multiplied by her acceleration applied that many times in a small period of time could do some serious damage. It would be like throwing people rapid fire at a single spot. If Ruby is able to burst through a metal door, she could use her semblance form to tear through Grimm as well. I'm not a physicist, just a computer science major being forced to take physics. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, because I most likely am.
Actually, you're right. The relevant formula is F=mv^2, where F= force, m=mass and v=velocity. The "^2" note is that v is *squared*. Since velocity is squared, a faster velocity produces way more force than increasing the mass. Because science! Ruby should be able to move so fast that Mercury's neurons cannot tell his leg to kick unless he predicts her location and kicks precicely 1/3 of a second before she moves. Nerves can only fire so fast, after all. Strict Newtonian physics do not allow Mercury to survive absorbing the energy either. However, I posit that Ruby's semblance has a cutout, since she hasn't partially traveled through somethign solid and died messily yet. A reflex, as it were. Or I could be overthinking a cartoon. 😎😎
Um... (A) Penny didn't say Ruby's mass was entirely negated and, given how Ruby's been shown to move at varying levels of speed, it seems evident she can control how much it's negated. (B) In case you forgot, Aura is a thing - so even in an immaterial state, Ruby could impact or ricochet off of surfaces. Hell, Aura might even play a role in propulsion for all we know, given she seems to generate bursts of air along with reducing her mass. (C) Penny's asking Ruby to transport multiple people at once - which, AS VEXED HIMSELF JUST PROVED IN HIS OWN CLIPPED SCENES, Ruby's never done before. Sorry if this is harsh... but when the vid can be debunked in three simple sentences, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here
@@mrmetroid1078 In order: A) Penny: "-Thus Negating her mass." Penny outright says it negates her mass. No qualifiers, no specifics, just "Negates her mass" full stop. Am I supposed to assume Penny, who knows more about Ruby's semblance than Ruby, evidently, is deliberately withholding information in the middle of a dangerous mission? B)Aura is only a thing when the plot demands. And the writers have never once gone into the logistics of how aura Actually functions with the world (And the explanations given contradict themselves quite frequently) C)But why not? Why did she never even bother to try? Also, as Vex pointed out previously, Ruby didn't just not know she could transport multiple people, she flat out looked dumbfounded at ANY explanation regarding her semblance beyond "Speed speed go zoom!", implying she straight up didn't know she could do that at all.... Despite doing it, Repeatedly, at least once a volume.
@@patchwurk6652 In order ^_^ A) And that's *precisely the **_problem_* with what Vexed claims - sayin "No qualifiers, no specifics, just "Negates her mass" full stop" means there *is no existing specification* that "negate = complete"; there is no context to support the subtext Vexed is claiming. That’s not “deliberately withholding information” for Penny not to specify - it’s just speaking in generalizations. Worse still, the conclusion Vexed tries to push is one that's easily debunked just by looking at the Semblance in action - because when its used, *we can **_physically see_* the small "parts" (i.e., the petals) Ruby breaks apart into; her form is divided and dispersed, but it still has visible matter to it and thus *cannot be* completely free of mass. Her Semblance may work on a molecular level, but she’s not reduced to molecules herself - her body is transformed from a single object to a multitude of smaller ones. Simply put; between the lack of context-to-subtext to support it and the fact she’s still got a material presence even when in her dispersed state, it makes no sense to claim “negates her mass = complete negation.” B) That is *_not_* what I’ve seen, bro ^_^; In V1’s “The Emerald Forest” (i.e., Aura’s introduction), Pyrrha’s words to Jaune are “Why didn’t you *activate* your aura?” - not “where’s your aura” or any other phrasing to suggest it was a passive thing; she said *”activate”* as if it were something you had to consciously trigger. This is likewise consistent with later explanations - you start with it being something you consciously activate, then as you go it becomes reflective and instinctual to trigger it in a combat situation the same as “muscle memory” does for combat stances. That’s all to say nothing of the World of Remnant Episode *literally **_about_* how Aura functions as an extension of the living soul that protects and passively mends the body for as long as you have it activated - something later episodes would expand upon as including protection from extreme temperatures for however long it’s up. Simply put; I’m sorry if it sounds brusque, but I’m gonna have to ask for some spicific examples of *how, where and when* the explanations given "contradict themselves quite frequently“ - ‘cause frankly speaking, I really do not see that ^_^; C) Simple answer would be not knowing if she could even push that far/thinking she was just “pulling someone with her” rather than actually being able to transmute a whole group like a living disassembly machine. It’s the fundamental difference between instinct and actual knowledge - being able to do something doesn’t equate to knowing how you did it; you can learn how to operate heavy machinery with enough time and practice, but it’ll never be anywhere near as effective or intuitive as if you’d actually been trained or taught what to do or how it all works. This last part is the main reason why what Vexed pointed out doesn’t hold water - it assumes Ruby *needs* to know how it works to do it, and that’s not how Semblances work; they’re most effective when you know what you’re doing, but they can still be triggered and utilized even when the user has no clue how it’s being done/is working purely off gut instinct. Case in point being accidental Semblance-use like Jaune’s - I’m V5 he started giving Aura to an injured Weiss before he was even aware his Semblance could do that, while in V1 he focused his Aura enough to repel Cardin and heal his own injuries just on the impulse of “shield myself from the hit”. Simply put; “doing it, repeatedly, at least once a volume ≠ understanding and awareness of it”. Given Ruby’s “shoot-from-the-hip” style of leadership and planning being largely reliant on a mix of gut feelings with raw conviction, it honestly *might **_be_** the case* that Ruby actually wasn’t fully aware of what she was doing beyond vague guesses and instinct. It was, after all, an aspect of her Semblance that manifested after she went on the road with JNR (i.e., something done on her own), and it’s not like she had much in the way of teachers after that point (Oz was largely busy getting Oscar up to speed before the group’s turning on him made him recuse himself, while Maria has a comparatively-straightforward Semblance and Qrow is… well, Qrow).
Remember when Ruby's Semblance was simply super speed? Now she can also fly, break out of restraints, travel through bars and narrow gaps, pick up enemies and drop them over cliffs.
Only Pyrrha said that. Someone who didn't know Ruby at all. She made a damn assumption and everyone took it as truth. I'm not excusing what's going on here, but the point is, no one knew what it was for real.
@@benjaminmcneil574 i mean, its not uncommon for people to not truely understand their Semblance iirc, like Jaune did not know his Semblance even after it was awakend till he just.. accidently used it, the most obvios example of Rubys semblance is "she can be REALY REALY FAST" so thast what she, and probably everyone aroudn her assumed it was, and we dont even know wahtever teh "breakdwon into molecules" is all of her semblence, or just a part of the semblence, becase if its a part of her semblence, then her "super speed" prior to rose petels could just her yeeting her own molecules forward without disasambeling herself
@@benjaminmcneil574 but the scene of Penny explaining Ruby's semblance to her totally means that Ruby herself didn't know what her own semblance was. If she did she would have corrected Pyrrha.
You know ... you can just let magic be magic. If you over explain it, holes are going to form. I'm not sitting around asking deep questions about how Noctis in Final Fantasy 15 does his sword teleport move. It just happens, and I know from experiencing the story that whenever he throws his sword, he teleports to wherever the sword went, since the story is consistent with this, it is easy to keep rolling with it.
Exactly, they are trying to portray semblances as some kind of scientific phenomenon, when reality, it’s just fragments of magic left behind from the previous incarnation of humanity.
Yeah I was gonna bring up Mercury's kick as well. If Ruby breaks herself down into molecule components, she should technically be untouchable if she does not want to and be able to either fly through Mercury or around him. And yet she ate the kick
We're supposed to believe that it's just Mercury's aura somehow making her physical enough to kick according to the commenters, just ignore that it doesn't make sense and surely one of the trained huntsmen at beacon would've spotted that Ruby's semblance wasn't just speed and tried to teach her in the 8 or 9 months she was there.
"Thus negating her mass" That isn't how matter works, CRWBY. Matter has mass. The only (potential) exception to this are things like photons, gravitons, bosons, gluons, and other such things. But since gravity affects photons (as proven by the existence of a black hole being observed recently) this is under a lot of recent scrutiny. Among other reasons the black hole is important.
Have the writers ever heard of the Conservation of mass. How come she’s still able have to effect and be effected while in that state as in opening motion detecting doors and being halted by a kick. That happen with mass also a make up of matter interact with each other regardless of its state.
Yeah the writers are dumb, we already know that from all the episodes since volume 4. Monty's death changed everything, that's just sad. The world need him back.
I think one reason why she struggled with Penny before is because she expected her to be the weight of a normal girl and not a metallic combat robot. Though maybe Penny got lighter to accommodate her flight and Ruby obviously got stronger and better with her semblance.
IMHO, I think it's more like the whole deal with Emiya Shirou in Fate/Stay Night or Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars - their powers responded automatically to intent before now without the users really "knowing" what it was they were doing. And in Ruby's case, that kinda makes sense since her making things up as she goes and acting on the fly has *always* been a thing with her ^_^;
I'm just sitting here, remembering that Ruby was introduced as a nerdy battle-lover who was specifically obsessed with weapons. I'm upset that they took that character and made her into a hope dispenser that can't even be bothered to try to figure out how her cool silver eyes super power works until randomly running into an old lady who just happened to have silver eyes a while ago. Not only that, but she doesn't even know how her own semblance works? Ruby doesn't? Why not? How could she not tell that her body was becoming massless whenever she used her semblance? The same girl that hand-crafted one of the most dangerous types of weapons, without it turning into a massive failure, can't even notice when she become weightless? I'm no expert, but suddenly becoming weightless isn't just something you miss. Not even to mention that Ruby can now phase through solid matter, because of her "evolved" semblance.
Jaune: And when I'm tired I just turn this shield into a scabbard! Ruby: Won't it still weigh the same? Jaune:.... *8 volumes later Penny: Ruby can go faster because she's broken down into molecular level and mass is irrelevant!
Even this comment from Ruby is stupid. It’s like asking why someone would strap their backpack over their shoulders rather than carry it in their arms the entire day. Putting the mass of one’s weapon to the side for resting purposes over holding it the entire day makes perfect, logical sense to ANYONE. But the writers thought they were being clever by pointing out the mass wouldn’t change even if the weight was put away from the arm (shield) to the side and out of the way (sheath) The signs were there of the RWBY writings lack of competency as early as the first couple episodes of the show 😞
@@BoredOuttaMyMind As a topic to come up in conversation, the "hang on, won't it weight the same regardless of shape" isn't that stupid; it can be reasoned out, sure, but just because I can discover the answer by thinking on it for several seconds doesn't mean I won't ask a question instantly to keep the conversation going. But the breaking down of mass thing... honestly, it considering the magic of the show (I mean the literal magic, not the "what makes the show good" magic), it would have been easier to say that Ruby just turns into rose petals made of and held together by her aura. In my opinion at the very least, it would explain why she can get hit (her aura still has physical presence of a sort, to both create and hold her new form together, and hits can break down her aura's ability to maintain said form) it could explain why she can take others with her (uses her own aura to mould them into a new form), why she can hit with more force than she can use in a punch (aura form holding her entire mass), possibly how she can split apart for increasing periods of time (aura form requires aura control she might not have always had). Might also prevent it from being a seemingly OP semblance, because as it stands Ruby could theoretically allow any punch to simply displace her molecules semblance-style as opposed to taking a hit, but eh.
So basically, she destroys herself in one spot and rebuilds in another? Isn’t that teleportation? ... I’m genuinely asking because i have no F’ing idea.
Well... Since she can't travel through walls and it also isn't instantanious. But that aside... Shouldn't that hurt like... Really fucking Bad? Does her semblance negate pain while active? Shouldn't she question herself about using it since she is theoretically a different person every time she uses it? How does she see when her mass is negated? Shouldn't she be invisible since if she had no mass she shouldn't be able to reflect light? But the biggest wtf question is... *CAN SHE FLY OR NOT?*
It really is sad, I stopped watching the show after 6 or 7, but even then still loved everything up until 4. The show had great chemistry with characters, world-building, and general lore and just- everything! They had the tools given to them from a man that knew what he wanted to do. And as much as I love Yang and Blake’s relationship, it’s not worth what the writers have done to the show. Long story short, they dropped the ball. The show seems to have become a fan pandering cash cow. A real shame.
So wait, Ruby leaves roses behind. We've seen this in the early seasons where there's reports of rose petals whenever White Fang members show up. What's with that? How does her molecules reassemble i she leaves stuff behind? Wouldn't that consume some of her overall mass to leave behind those rose petals?
The fan boys and girls will only laughed at Ruby not knowing and her remarks that Penny knew Blake was a faunus. They will NEVER question the bad writing in it.
No we just won't mention it. We all know it's badly written. Maybe some do, but the majority don't deny it, even among the hard core fans. We just don't like to talk about it because despite the writing, the show still had something in it to earn our emotional investment, and so the writing is forgivable, because the goal of the writing is already achieved with that subsection of the fanbase Except volume 5 Nooooooooooooooooooo one likes volume 5 except for the songs
@@justsomeguyanimations the writing of a show shouldn’t be forgivable because you’re already emotionally invested in it. That’s purposely setting the bar low because you already have emotional stakes. Edit: ESPECIALLY with how bad it’s been since V3
@@justsomeguyanimations Funny thing, ever since V7, V5 has actually come up a notch for me. It is no longer at the bottom of my list of favored episodes. Actually, V7 as given me a new prospective on V4 and V5.
You know I always thought Ruby’s semblance was one that slowly killed her, like a dying rose losing its petals slowly. Maybe she gives up time/ years she would have in the future to move faster now. But in like a weird way where she doesn’t start aging and getting wrinkles like a grandma, instead she doesn’t live a full life she was supposed to. It would even be poetic if her mother had the same semblance, that her mother used up her semblance to much that she passed away. I mean all the characters are based off of fairy tales and myths. It fits the stereotype of heroes always die young.
As a giant nerd, I'm going to point out a few issues with how they explain Rubys semblance. Skipping the obviously incorrect massless issue, breaking people into their component molecules is probably about as dead as dead can be. Beyond that, the ability to put people/objects back together is much more impressive in this regard, sure with enough effort you could atomise a person, but to put them back together and have them be completely fine? That's damn near godhood. Also, with a bit of practice isn't it likely she could use her semblance on an object but not reconstruct it, making her have an "instant kill" ability? Then there's the question of heat, if you separate a warm object into its' component molecules, they will radiate the majority of their heat into the surrounding atmosphere (at least until they reach room temperature). Also it should be noted that the majority of this heat will be needed by living things to remain alive. Does her semblance stop heat transfer? In combat this would mean immunity to fire and ice, but industrial applications are huge, you could have perfect heat transfer with this kind of ability. Then there's the question of momentum, and how does she actually direct the component molecules mid flight? Can she direct this to give her some equivalent of telekinesis? More practically, how much can she accelerate an object before recombining it? Does this mean she can eventually reach kinetic-bombardment levels of energy, where she can practically throw around nukes? There was a brief scene where she split up her rose petals to get around an object, how far can this go? Can she now use her semblance to get through gates/grates/cracked walls?
That's the thing about explaining powers as the manipulation of matter isn't it? Even if they have control over the smallest property, it can be immensly OP since those properties are so fundamental to... you know... existence.
If you compare it to other anime, she basically has Obito's kamui, she alters her molecular desity. so, she could make herself intangible, teleport, deconstruc and reconstruc objects and people. Hell, she could even turn her scythe into part of her cape and summon it at will or some shit And she uses all that power to go faster?!
How people defend this show's writing is beyond me, holy shit. Seriously, do they just wipe their hard drives when theyre done with each volume and that's why they cant ever remember what happens?
Because the concept is intriguing, characters based off of fairy-tale heroes that use mecha-shifting weapons facing off against creatures based off of legendary monsters, a twisted take on mythical heroes(the beowulves), and poetry named after The Brothers Grimm who were known for their dark and often times disturbing stories.
Diminishing returns fallacy my dude, the show could literally have Salem nuke the planet to cause a zombie-like grimm infection (which would be an improvement tbh lol!) as long as folks get to see how it "ends".
@@viper6525D Hang on. I thought aura can't defend you from burns since it only works on solid projectiles. I only heard that from the 11th retcon two minutes ago from Miles' Twitter.
Yet again Miles and Kerry show that their understanding of the concepts of continuity and consistent story writing are just words put together to form a sentence.
Ironically, Pyrrha ended up the BEST-TREATED character in the show, and that's considering her death and subsequent complete narrative erasure set her as the new standard for the "Stuffed in the Fridge" trope, going full-on into the deep end of "Disposable Woman" territory, even as they virtue-signal on everything else.
@@rasengan124 So she was inspired by Achilles. So fucking what? There's no rule in fiction saying that a character known to be based on something must share the same outcome as their source material. That's your expectations talking, expectations that actually devalue the new character as their own unique entity, and see them only as extensions of the source material. And quite frankly, the only time this gets brought up is as a deflection of the ineffective writing.
Um... (A) Penny didn't say Ruby's mass was entirely negated and, given how Ruby's been shown to move at varying levels of speed, it seems evident she can control how much it's negated. (B) In case you forgot, Aura is a thing - so even in an immaterial state, Ruby could impact or ricochet off of surfaces. Hell, Aura might even play a role in propulsion for all we know, given she seems to generate bursts of air along with reducing her mass. (C) Penny's asking Ruby to transport multiple people at once - which, AS VEXED HIMSELF JUST PROVED IN HIS OWN CLIPPED SCENES, Ruby's never done before. Sorry if this is harsh... but when the vid can be debunked in three simple sentences, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here XD
Might have been forced. But after V7, i'll take what ever we can get. Of course, being seperated from Yang, Blake has to talk to somebody. Else she might as well not be there. So that kinda takes some of the wow facter out of it. She is basically in a situation where she is forced to interact with others.
@@TheAlxSystem I can combat this: The people she transports have also been broken down into rose petals, however they’re petals that match the primary colour of the character’s clothing scheme. So, ignoring science, we can assume that the petal colour is dictated by the colour that a person wears, not the colour of the atoms themselves
Well Ruby is a speedster, so I'm not surprised at all that she can sometimes say "no" to physics. Flash, Quicksilver, and even Sonic do it all the time.
Personally, I think it's more a case of her semblance evolving. In the earlier volumes, yes it was pure speed, but as she uses it in more life and death scenarios, not to mention the pressure of the fate of the world, I don't think it would be unreasonable to think her semblance could become more than speed and become something like a slower version of teleportation. Besides, without Monty around to make sure his vision comes out the way he would have wanted it to, everyone else is basically going off notes and what they think would be good
Ruby can carry people while using her semblance: okay yeah, I believe that. She was shown carrying people before. Ruby can break people down to a molecular level using her semblance: yeah... no. What the fuck. Since when? It wasn't even hinted at, they just dropped this on us then expected us to brush it off? Ruby nullifies her mass using her semblance: since they're bringing physics into this, Ruby weighs the same as a photon, which means that she is travelling at the speed of light. Press X to Doubt. And like Vexed said, no mass = no force. Nice retcon RT! Apparently semblances just randomly change which laws of physics they want to ignore. Conclusion: Semblances ARE magic! (Seriously RT, write your semblances better.)
@@user-gb4jn4my6j the fact that she can SPLIt into three kinda does hitn at the fact taht she isnt just "going super fast" but something else is going on, the people she transport being also being split is an extension to that knowledge
@@weberman173 But she never tried to until now. Before she was just carrying people while using her semblance, not breaking them down to molecules. Which told me that the splitting thing could only be applied to her. I mean, if Ruby actually TRIED to learn shit about her powers and experimented more on her semblance (the one time it's addressed in v7 she just brushes it off like honey, you're literally training right now, you don't think you should figure it out?) instead of it being handed on a plate to her because she can't be bothered feels cheap as hell.
Ruby's "Uh....what?" wasn't confusion because she didn't understand her own Semblance, it was confusion because nothing about what Penny said made any sense. 😆 Yes, that's my Headcanon now.
Like I've said, Ruby is a logia type, soon she can just let attacks fade through her are reform from it. But she can do it on others, so she's an awaken type, which means that anyone can turn into a scatter of petals forever. Ruby can now instant kill Grimm and people.
@@DocMicrowave Ideas they Will never use. Watch sometime later shes gonna get hit by something super obvious that she can petal out of but she wont and shell get hit.
Okay firstly, exposition that wasn’t needed. Secondly, exposition and lore that contradicts what was previously established. You already saw some examples but remember that in volume 2 when Ruby tried to carry Penny she was clearly struggling. Then again, she could’ve gotten stronger... but not carrying 4 people plus Penny stronger! That was not even established. Lastly, Ruby not knowing her semblance can carry other people even though I counted her doing that at least three times in the show. In conclusion, this isn’t your everyday bad writing. This is ADVANCED bad writing.
@@alyceblak1524 I get the initial confusion is from Penny explaining Ruby’s semblance (incorrectly by the way because Ruby’s made can not be negated while she breaks through metal in volume 7 because she would need some amount of mass to do that.) but the confusion after is unnecessary.
Ladies & gentlemen this is the same girl that wants to stop Salem. Wants to save Mantle. She doesn’t know her own semblance, let alone a clear plan to save mantle or STOP Salem. Why did Ozpin make HER a leader??
Jaune didn’t know what his semblance was before he went to Beacon. Ruby didn’t know the science of her semblance and only thought of it as a speed boost, also she probably thought she can only take one person with her not four
This is the most unsatisfying way to answer a mystery that wasn’t even supposed to be a mystery and it just raises way too many plot holes and questions. And they play it off for joke not 2 seconds later
Um... (A) Penny didn't say Ruby's mass was entirely negated and, given how Ruby's been shown to move at varying levels of speed, it seems evident she can control how much it's negated. (B) In case you forgot, Aura is a thing - so even in an immaterial state, Ruby could impact or ricochet off of surfaces. Hell, Aura might even play a role in propulsion for all we know, given she seems to generate bursts of air along with reducing her mass. (C) Penny's asking Ruby to transport multiple people at once - which, AS VEXED HIMSELF JUST PROVED IN HIS OWN CLIPPED SCENES, Ruby's never done before. Sorry if this is harsh... but when the vid can be debunked in three simple sentences, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here
@@mrmetroid1078 She literally says, "Thus Negating her mass". The video makes no mention of anything about being immaterial but the fact that you need mass in order to actually project force. She has been shown to user her semblance on other things, which is why she looks like an idiot for being confused she can use her semblance on other things, the number has nothing to do with it. You have lied and deliberately misinterpreted information to try and prove you point. When your post can be debunked by actually watching the ~60 second clip instead of immediately rolling down to the comment section, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here.
To be fair there is a pretty big difference between transporting yourself and another person and move an entire group of people so can buy her bewilderment of penny's detailed explanation regarding the matter.
Don’t forget that this explanation of the *Main Character’s* powers comes eight seasons into the show, which is why her semblance was whatever the writers wanted it to be before this unearned exposition dump.
Then there's V2 where she used her semblance on Penny and she literally picked her up and held her in her arms before dropping her. And her form stayed the same shape the whole time. Or was she not using her semblance in that scene?
She was definitely using her semblance. She was gearing herself up for a burst of speed and in the next scene caught up to Penny. We could still see her but knew she was speeding because of the speed effect lines. The only time we see her semblance utilising the cape twister effect in Vol 1-3 was at the end of the food fight, getting past Mercury and when jumps off the ship to Amity. I suspect it was an artistic choice because, cinematography-wise, it does flow very well with the kinetic energy of the characters and camera movement. But then they abused this to heck starting from Vol 4 if only to **cough** cut corners in animating Ruby. Ruby got visibly tired of carrying a heavy robot during that chase sequence in Vol 2 and dropped her because the mass was heavy. The writers are writing themselves into corners, realising their mistakes but instead of addressing them, make up another corner for them to sandwich themselves in.
I suppose the ability to launch herself at speed is the most basic application of her power, with the petal thing being a more advanced application of it. Which would probably explain her misconception of her semblance simply being 'go fast' for so long.
I mean, every time prior, she's 'carried' one person, and has been shown to be in direct physical contact with them- not hard to assume she just didn't notice she wasn't literally carrying them, especially seeing as she was working on the assumption she was just fast the whole time.
You see people. This is what happens when you improvise a series. Have a game plan from day one. Know where you’re going with it. Understand what your characters can do and be prepared to explain how that works accurately.
They had those plans, but then Monty died, taking all the plans he had yet to write down with him to the grave. A key example being that now non-canon Raven plot thread in the V2 post-credits.
@@kamaplays9191 Monty didn’t even write much of the story. He only ever tackled the fight scenes. Kerry and Miles just have no idea what they’re doing.
@@frenchfriedbagel7035 Based off merit alone their best written character was Sun. Starting with V2 new characters had only 1 or 2 lines outside of battles which meant that nearly all the character writing for any new characters for the first few volumes was handled by Monty. And the man was a damn genius at non-verbal character writing.
Um... (A) Penny didn't say Ruby's mass was entirely negated and, given how Ruby's been shown to move at varying levels of speed, it seems evident she can control how much it's negated. (B) In case you forgot, Aura is a thing - so even in an immaterial state, Ruby could impact or ricochet off of surfaces. Hell, Aura might even play a role in propulsion for all we know, given she seems to generate bursts of air along with reducing her mass. (C) Penny's asking Ruby to transport multiple people at once - which, AS VEXED HIMSELF JUST PROVED IN HIS OWN CLIPPED SCENES, Ruby's never done before. Sorry if this is harsh... but when the vid can be debunked in three simple sentences, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here XD
Technically speaking, this wouldn’t make sense. Imagine having 100 g of water. If you heat it and turn it into steam, for example, the steam is still 100 g, not 0 A better explanation isn’t to negate mass but to say that the atoms are now in a different configuration, one that still retains some sort of shape (the “blobs”). This configuration requires that the bonds between atoms are weaker (otherwise, you would have a solid chunk of Ruby; imagine an ice cube) Speed could be explained in that friction through air would be reduced in this form However, Ruby somehow can reconfigure herself at her destination. It might not be to simply tighten the bonds but to place the atoms in the correct way. After all, the eye has a different configuration compared to a strand of hair, for example I’m not so sure, however, why there are petals that get left behind. Sure, it’s artistic license, but scientifically speaking, they shouldn’t appear. Perhaps a manifestation of aura? Wouldn’t this mean that Ruby can run out of aura while doing this? If she runs out of aura while in this form, does she just revert back to human form, or does she dissipate? Still, this feels like a retcon. Volume 6 showed Ruby physically holding Weiss. This time, she has some area of effect going on. Are semblances now going to get an area of effect now?
We shouldn't search far for this , Mercury hit her somehow in season 3 , at this point there's no clear explanation to how her semblance affects her body when she uses it
I kinda hope that running out of aura _does_ make her dissipate, then she has an instakill against Salem. ( Even if if it's bullshit, it's still consistent with the show's writing.)
@stockart whiteman Exactly. Use some sort of explanation that ultimately relies on "magic", and it'll be solved. In this case, Penny could have said that Ruby transforms herself into aura or something. This allows her to travel around. The rose petals would then be a manifestation of her aura being used
I think Mercury hitting her is either because Ruby never loses *all* her body-mass with this power or because his own aura impacted her own - or at least that'd be my guess. Likewise, Semblances rarely ever equate to things like Alchemy where everything's equivalent exchange - Weiss and Winter summoning constructs out of thin air should be proof enough that Semblances don't always conform to physical laws, much less that what Ruby reduces herself to would weigh the same. IMHO, rendering herself intangible equates to negating her mass all the same because she's broken herself up into many, many fragments - each of which is far lighter than her normal self. Dunno if it'd need Aura to use, but that'd be the likely guess for how she maintains a form when intangible - her Aura might function like a bubble that keeps herself and whatever/whoever she transports in a defined shape rather than scattering about everywhere. As for the petals, either it's a manifestation of her Aura as you said or Ruby is literally shedding off bits of herself every time she uses it (which might actually explain how she never gains any weight in spite of her cartoonish appetite for sweets, if she can literally just "sweat off" bits of her mass like that XD). Lastly, I wouldn't call it a retcon to have her powers/her control of her Semblance evolve between now and Volume 6, since Ruby and co have been getting extra training and experience in Atlas since than - IMHO, the only real failure of the narrative there is that (like most of her character development) Ruby getting stronger/more in-tune with her Semblance only ever implied rather than actually shown ^_^;
I will say this, I love seeing science being applied into a fantasy setting, it's subtle lore and worldbuilding that makes the setting feel more grounded and larger while still leaving room for potential, an example might be Roy Mustang raising the density of oxygen in the air to create flames or Toph using the impurities within metal to bend it but it's important to not go too over the top with explaining how it works because all you do is limit the scope and reach of a magic system at best or at worst completely break it and raise unanswerable questions. This is a prime example of that, until that moment, I was under the impression that Ruby was moving at incredibly high speeds and the roses were just a visual effect but now they just had to dump all this exposition on us. If Ruby can deconstruct herself into particles, than she should be able to reconstruct herself as anything she want's and this doesn't just apply to her physical body including hair but also clothing, weapons and even other people so long as she is physically touching them or even standing on the same landmass and she can even reconstruct them perfectly showing that she also has the ability to identify each individual atom. She could turn herself into a nuke and blow up the enemy before reconstructing herself as if nothing had ever happened, teleport herself 10,000 kilo-meters anywhere, turn her skin into titanium, see what's happening on the other side of the globe, transform deserts into lush green fields or by simply standing on the same tectonic plate or even planet as someone else, she can deconstruct their particles and then not bother to reconstruct them. killing Salem is as easy as blinking. Ruby is basically Dr Manhattan. I'm not even going to get into the fact she has teleported with other people before or how she was able to ram through that door or get hit by Mercury despite supposedly having no mass but I already have a headache from just thinking about this. In summary: If you explain the magic, it ceases to be magic.
Um... (A) Penny didn't say Ruby's mass was entirely negated and, given how Ruby's been shown to move at varying levels of speed, it seems evident she can control how much it's negated. (B) In case you forgot, Aura is a thing - so even in an immaterial state, Ruby could impact or ricochet off of surfaces. Hell, Aura might even play a role in propulsion for all we know, given she seems to generate bursts of air along with reducing her mass. (C) Penny's asking Ruby to transport multiple people at once - which, AS VEXED HIMSELF JUST PROVED IN HIS OWN CLIPPED SCENES, Ruby's never done before. Sorry if this is harsh... but when the vid can be debunked in three simple sentences, I kinda gotta call BS on who's not being consistent here XD
@@ItPreach If something needs a different response, I'll give a different response - but I'm not gonna completely rewrite my answers if it's the same issue ^_^;
@@mrmetroid1078 But some of the comments you give that copy and paste reply to aren’t even serious about the the subject they’re just shitposts at best making your copy and pasting pointless in some cases and it also makes you come off as pedantic. As for the comments you reply to that ARE serious about the subject, your copy and pasting makes you look desperate.
@@kana22693 And trying to find some way for Ruby to somehow beat Maaka. We KNOW Ruby can't, and this time, I wanna SEE the RWBY character get pasted on the ground. Don't cut away from the object of worship dying this time.
@@REDARROW_A_Personal No, I mean that they're eventually going to put Soul Eater's Maaka (the authentic product) vs. Ruby Rose (the cheap knock-off). And when this gets brought up, the RWBY fans always seem to want Maaka to fight alone because Ruby does. Problem is, her partner Soul IS her weapon, and the whole point is to pit the two scythe-wielders against each other.
Watch how death battle takes this 30 second explanation and somehow twists it to justify her being inmune to everything or something when she eventually has to fight Maka 😒
@@hikariyuki9367 it will happen, DB and RT already confirmed it will. They just haven't given a date yet. Even though it's been like a couple years since then. I think they have been holding off on doing that fight because they knew their mascot character didn't stand a ghost of a chance against Maka so they had to put it off to let Ruby's powers develop. 🤔
1. I love that I'm not the only one that relates Ruby to Maka. 2. If Maka has black blood abilities it's over for ruby. 3. Let's talk about how keshin hunter would affect ruby?
@@AstralAlpaca "No let me explain, Mercury was able to strike every single molecule individually. This means that Mercury's legs were moving at x times faster than the speed of light. This means Mercury can strike at Y Million Zettatons of TNT. And because he was only a student at the academy we can extrapolate that Ruby is stronger than Mercury was at this time. With the force of a small star exploding in every one of her punches it was no contest, the winner is Ruby Rose."
Given that she fits the Gifted Child trope, she probably just uses her semblance instinctually and never thought about it all that hard, so having someone explain it to her just flies over her head.
For Mercury kicking her, people on reddit are using the excuse that she couldn't turn into rose petals until Volume 4 and that her rose petal form in volume 1-3 was really just her cloak covering her 🤦♀️. Just accept your show has flaws. They're also saying that it fits Ruby's character being dumb enough to not know her own semblance 😑
And we all thought Caboose, Ash, Goku, most Baka and test characters, the Bakano couple, Luffy, Naruto, Yoshiko from Aho Girl and Patrick Star were dumber.
@stockart whiteman No, she could turn into rose petals in volumes 1-3. She did it in the food fight and against mercury. Her cape isn't that long that she can cover her whole body.
I believe I have thought of a solution now to fix that. Don't try the break down into molecules and negate mass explanation. Maybe Ruby does still break apart into petals, but it's more like merging into her own aura and using that for acceleration and breaking apart into fragments of energy or something. I'm not sure how to explain it best in technical terms. Bottom line, Ruby isn't broken down into molecules and instead basically converted herself into aura energy or whatever. Mercury also has aura and could have been channelling it over his body and legs for defense and attack power, so two aura fields being able to interact might sound vaguely plausible. Does that make any sense or am I rambling nonsensically again?
RT: ewwwww shut up you hater I don't know how she did it , I don't think about the things I write just go with it turn off you're barin you're thinking too much logic is so gross .
For the "All of us" part and the subsequent clips I think it's more like Ruby knew it could work on *one* person but she never tried it with a *group* before that part.
As a biochemist, "breaking down to the molecular components" is the greatest bullshit I've ever heard. What... do the writers... think WE'RE MADE OF??? We are already molecules (water, fats, proteins, everything that's more than one atom is a molecule!!!), the configurations may just differ, but the mass stays the same!!!
@@Feayeme yes, penny and ruby are both stupid in this scene. There’s almost a decent explanation there, but the writers sure did a good drop dropping the ball
Look this is a show about immortal beings and gods so let’s not critique the science of a FANTASY show. Let’s instead rant on the horrible internal logic of it
@@casualfanatic4217 Pretty sure we can do both since the writers decided to unnecessarily throw some scientific sounding nonsense into their show to explain a magic power.
The writers gave a 1 minute explanation about Ruby’s semblance out of the blue but couldn’t find the time to explain Ironwood’s semblance in the past season and this.
