Salt Supply S2 VS Pepperball TRP VS Grimburg Gavle VS HDR68, VS Byrna LE | Extended Range Testing 

Hehe Yeah it was a journey for sure ;)

The HDP 50 is a great launcher. I have a LTL Bravo which is also a 50 cal launcher. The common saying is you get what you pay for, but with less lethal it isn't always the case. The Byrna Hi Vuz I have was $500 when I bought it in November 2022 and it's a great launcher, but you can buy a Salt Supply S2 for $250 and it's more powerful out of the box than the Byrna. Plus the S2 can be modified to even higher Joules whereas the Byrna can be modified at all. The Grimburg Gavle is still the King of power out of the box, but you'll pay out the nose for it. Honestly it really depends on what you want and what you can afford. The Umarex line as well as the Salt Supply are probably the best low cost launcher overall because you can modify them for more power pretty easily and it's not that expensive for the upgrade kits. The biggest barrier is if you have the confidence to do it yourself with the help of a good RU-vid video.

The HDP50 is one of my all-time favorites. Its affordable, upgradable, and dependable. I am going to do more head-to-head tests with the more budget friendly launchers in the near future.

My pleasure man! They are coming out of the woodwork now.

Yeah, I was in rare form alright ;) Editing was fun :)

@AlternateArmsSD they said they'll ship my gavle on the 16th which will be a month... however they did say expect some delays which makes me sad lol! Once I get this it's gonna be my proud edc because being a felon no guns! Plus I won't have to kill anyone with that being on my conscious DAAMMNN hooligans get ready to get hit with 39 joules!!! Lol.

@@-SLEAZY- yeah brother, there is absolutely nothing like the gavle on the market. That thing is an absolute hand canon.

New video dropping tonight :)

Oh yes! Looking forward to it- getting the popcorn popper fired up!☀️

My pleasure man! Thanks for watching!

Thanks man! Have a great night!

Thanks man!

Thanks man! Yeah, I avoid testing stands because you won’t have one when you need it in the field. I’m a great shot but the rounds were a bit light for these launchers. I need to show the build on skully. There are 10 variations depending on the power of the launcher I am firing at him.

Thanks Brother!

Hey hey!

Oh that TM4 would have been VERY accurate at that range but just doesn't have the power these are putting out.

Yeah that was a LONG way for sure! :)

Thanks man!

Agreed...... That being said...... Watch this evening ;)

Agreed! I’m a huge fan of the jule ammo.

Agreed.. hence my comment at the end ;) Its coming :) The Gavle has no real "equal" in the world of LTL.. Its in a league of its own.

@@AlternateArmsSDso is it safe to say the gavle is what you’d recommend for less than lethal, at least at this current time?

@@DarkArtsDeepDive the gavel is the most powerful that you can currently buy. Are you planning on carrying this every day? Is it something you’re going to want to conceal?

@@AlternateArmsSD thanks for the response, it would be a carry piece for my wife.

@@DarkArtsDeepDive Ok, for that I think Id look at the Byrna or Salt Supply. This is based solely on the loading and charging methods for the C02.

Yeah a shaped round competition is coming.. There are several launchers that will use them these days.

Oh oh oh I just did a review for Garys Holsters. Take a look at it and dont forget to tell them where you saw it ;)

Hey man! Yeah, this test was WAY out of the normal range for these.. BUT.. it was a question folks had so I threw it out there ;) Still, using pepper rounds, they would have been effective shots. I dont have any hearing protection but the room im in is much larger than it looks in the shots.

Good day. The HDX that you have is it powered by two 12 g CO2 cartridges ? I saw where you purchased it I was wondering if you were happy with it? Also, curious if it still looked brand new after they had completed their work upgrading it? Take care.

@@kurt9994 Yeah it uses 2x12 gram CO2, but they're releasing one soon that will use the 88/90 gram cartridges so you'll have a choice of which one you want. The 12 gram gives me 24 good shots before the power starts to really go down from what I can see. I've been enjoying it and yes it looked brand new when it arrived in the HDX box. It came with all the accessories, 5 CO2 cartridges (not sure why it isn't 6 since it requires 2 at a time lol), and a bag of 25 riot balls.

@@Joreel I was wondering about the five cartridges myself on their website. I spoke with that individual that makes the videos I believe last week. They seem to have a good reputation. Of course the advantage with using the 12 g cartridges leaves the emergency activation intact as I understand. Thank you again.

@@kurt9994 yeah Claudio is a nice guy. He seems to be very good at what he does and keeping a business open for 25 years says a lot about a company nowadays. What did he say about the 5 CO2 cartridges?

You found another video :-) now the ones that are in this video are the top dogs in the less than lethal pistol market. Out of the box, you’re going to get the most amount of punch without any modifications.

60 on this test.. Well outside of the standard encounter range ;)

Hey brother, Umax has pushed the data a couple of times, but they continue to hold to the July date for me. The second I get word that they are on their way, I will post an update video because I know a lot of people want that launcher. Also, as an extra added bonus, I’m going to be modifying all of the magazines day, one for the launcher to maximum power.

Im not sure how to answer that :) If the round is barrel matched, the round is travelling exactly at the speed of the C03 until it leaves the launcher. If it its a tad smaller, C02 will escape around the sides of the round.

@@AlternateArmsSD I mean example I have a lancer and I have a xde CO2 pistol is the aluminum faster than the bb pistol or the pepper ball faster than bb

@@roscoecummings3229 oh, I see what you’re saying. No, they are in a totally different league. Think about it like this, if you get hit by a BB at 450 ft./s and you get hit by one of these launchers at 450 ft./s this year volume of the round and the impact will be vastly different. I’ve actually considered doing a couple of videos using BB guns for self-defense but honestly, I couldn’t find any that had enough impact to warrant the video. There are some PCP pellet guns that certainly would be good, however, you are breaching the lethal zone when you use those.

@@AlternateArmsSD try the nightstalker and or the xde both have power that's what I have both Plus 2 launchers

@@AlternateArmsSD both are CO2 I would like to see that video myself

Byrna has been a bit tight lipped about the CL... Ill drop them another line :) VNSH is supposed to get back to me but i have yet to hear anything.

I'm curious how different is it I've googled the s1 it looks like a tippmanx lol! Does it activate like the byrna first shot fire then it pierced or how does it work?

@@-SLEAZY- First trigger pull pierces the Co2 capsule....and the Byrna is only a first shot fire if you have the safety OFF - Load Co2 - put gun on safety - pull trigger once - take off safety and fire away.

Yeah, the Byrnas puncture method is definitely one of the cooler ones. The salt supply S1, tippmann, and TPX, and saber also use the same type of mechanism.

It’s a tad bit different, I actually have videos up on this one. The S1, Tippin, and Saber all have the exact same look and feel. They puncture on the first pull and then fire on the second.

you can leave the co2 pierced up to 24 hr in the salt supply and for the pressure build of the co2 the first shots come 25-30 joules. Try it trust me you wont regret it.