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Byrna LE VS Grimburg Gavle VS Pepperball TRP | Extended Range Testing with JUL rounds! 

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Hey folks!!
Let's test some range with the CRAZY cool JUL rounds!
Have a great night!
Jon
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@cheeseman417
@cheeseman417 Месяц назад
Taking one for the team!.... OHH YEAH! ...Skull-y, Skull-y, Skull-y!
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Poor skully ;)
@betterffd
@betterffd Месяц назад
I've definitely gotta look into that Grimburg.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
That thing is a BEAST! Grimburg is going to be in the chat.. If you have any questions, they will respond ;)
@Joreel
@Joreel Месяц назад
It's a great launcher with awesome customer service.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@Joreel Yeah, Kurt is a hell of a guy too!
@shadowmihaiu
@shadowmihaiu Месяц назад
I just bought two, one for myself and one for my girl, after watching the hard2hurt channel where the host took a shot from it at 30 feet. Out of all the launchers I know of, the Grimburg Gavle is the only one I judge to be effective enough to trust with my daughter's safety. Not that the Byrna LE, for example, isn't a good LTL weapon. But I have seen people take shots from them and not be stopped for certain. I want me girl to both feel safe and actually be safe.
@grimburglesslethal
@grimburglesslethal Месяц назад
​@@Joreel Thx 👍
@Hackers50Maker
@Hackers50Maker 18 дней назад
Both launchers I was looking for information on. Thank you
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 18 дней назад
My pleasure man!
@RexHuffman-wh5hg
@RexHuffman-wh5hg Месяц назад
Great video Jon. Let’s be careful out there.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Thanks man!
@pmaddox
@pmaddox 22 дня назад
Loved the vid and how you explain everything...very cool..I am learning...
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 21 день назад
Thank you so much Brother! some people say that I can be a little long-winded, but my goal is always to give every bit of information that you could possibly need before you spend your hard earned money on something.
@pmaddox
@pmaddox 21 день назад
@@AlternateArmsSD oh man! I need all the info I can get...so preach on, and my heart is set on the Byrna thanks to you...
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 21 день назад
@@pmaddox thanks brother, I have a lot of cool things coming this year :-)
@pmaddox
@pmaddox 12 дней назад
@@AlternateArmsSD if you're a seller can I purchase one from you?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 12 дней назад
@@pmaddox You can man. Www.alternatearmsselfdefense.com
@bryancantrell1138
@bryancantrell1138 Месяц назад
Another great video. A couple of regulars have been using Grimberg ammo in the S2 with great results. It’s as if bore matched. I believe it was East Coast Less Lethal, and Less Lethal For Dummies. These tests have me rethinking on a Gavel for the collection.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Yep! I don’t think you could go wrong :)
@Villwest90
@Villwest90 Месяц назад
Love this channel
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Thank you so much!
@vernontyer4421
@vernontyer4421 Месяц назад
I have been thinking about getting a Grimburg. Thanks for the comparison.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
My pleasure man. Yeah, those things are canons!
@Joreel
@Joreel 29 дней назад
You won't regret getting a Gavle 👀
@glennsammon4465
@glennsammon4465 Месяц назад
another great video Jon. of the three Byrnas that I do have the one that goes outside is loaded with pepper rounds.I could not get them for a while but MCS allowed me to buy some PAVA rounds. the Byrnas that stay indoors of course use the Byrna solid rounds. I have to get two of the LE models now.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Nice man! Why couldn’t you get the pava rounds?
@BernerDad6969
@BernerDad6969 28 дней назад
The one Iv been waiting for
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 28 дней назад
Boom boom :)
@deanbornman77
@deanbornman77 Месяц назад
Great video, like always! Off topic, I came across a Launcher called the Sicariis .50cal. Almost looks like a Tiberius 8.1 that went on a diet. Hope you will do a review when they reach out. I also think your channel is one of the best ones out there. Im also pro Less Lethal.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Thanks man! I have contacted sicarii mistime times about getting one on for the show and *crickets* :) I’ll keep pushing :)
@craighillcoach
@craighillcoach Месяц назад
I saw your video that you did a few months ago and immediately bought the GRIMBURG! 5 shots with along with that noise & whoever just broke in the house is now trying to breaking out! HIM & HIS HOMIES! Tell purple skully 💀 to go to the ER!
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Awesome man!! Yeah that thing is a canon!
@normsimon9133
@normsimon9133 Месяц назад
Jon, can't wait for your test of the SS2.0 with Grimburg rounds on board. Travel safe.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
It’s coming :) I need to talk to Greenberg next week about getting some more JUL rounds in.
@edmaslana4184
@edmaslana4184 Месяц назад
NICE WO 18:56 RK JON, Keep up the good work .DON'T CHANGE YOUR FORMAT...
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Thanks man!! I won’t :)
@walway01
@walway01 Месяц назад
The Grimburg Gavil is a total beast and it's at least twice as loud as the Byrna LE. I'm thinking about purchasing the Grimburg FAR projectiles. Can you test the FAR projectiles? Thanks, Wayne
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Hey Wayne, as it turns out, they are actually here in the chat. I will ask them about it, but if you would like to see them on my channel, let them know also :-)
@walway01
@walway01 Месяц назад
@AlternateArmsSD Hi John. I asked Grimburg about the FAR projectiles in the Gavil and they explained the Gavil can only use round projectiles. The FAR ammo are designed for the FSC with the Paradigm barrel or the FSC. I'm glad you told me to inquire about the FAR because, I was about to order some. Thank you sir...
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@walway01 Good deal man! You know, I’d love to put a few of those through the overwatch. :)
@dice268926
@dice268926 24 дня назад
Great video 📹 👍 u gotta refresh your target area & skully, its hard to tell the new holes from your old ones
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 24 дня назад
Yeah, I have four fresh skullys printing right now :-)
@chriswedgworth
@chriswedgworth Месяц назад
Another great video #watchedtilltheend
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Thanks man!
@bretthighbee
@bretthighbee Месяц назад
Great video. I heard Grimburg has a new set of seals that can handle the CO2 being charged past the five-minute time limit to avoid ruining the older-style seals. That is a nice development. I was concerned about that so I never loaded mine back to back when plinking. One load up, bleed the unused CO2 out and put it away. Now a person can keep the system charged with the CO2 cylinder snug instead of rattling around when walking with one on my belt. I am curious how long a marker can sit charged up with these new seals without damaging the marker.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
That sounds like an interesting test for the future............................ hmmm :)
@kurt9994
@kurt9994 Месяц назад
Good day Jon. Nice testing as usual. Since you gave news on the PDP'S I was wondering if you have heard anything more on the HDX 68 high-powered version coming to the states? I'm hearing the release has been moved further away again close to Christmas time with a significant price increase. I appreciate any information concerning this and thank you again for your testing.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Hey brother, funny you should ask :-) I had a conference call with Umarex last week and I was told that the new 40 J HDX should be out by August. Stay tuned on that one :-)
@kurt9994
@kurt9994 Месяц назад
@@AlternateArmsSD Thank you for such a quick response.
@Joreel
@Joreel 29 дней назад
​@@kurt9994If you don't want to wait, there are a few places that already sell the 40 Joule HDX if you do a search for them. I bought one a while back and it's a beast of a launcher at 40-50 Joules (depending on the temperatures apparently). I wish I could have had the company send it to Jon first as he would have had so much fun blowing Sully into tiny pieces in one shot.
@kurt9994
@kurt9994 28 дней назад
​@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, I'm seeing $500 now for that HDX high powered version supposedly being released a little before Christmas. If that's true they're pricing themselves out of the market. Thanks for your work in the Less lethal community.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 28 дней назад
@@kurt9994 I’d agree… but…. Stay tuned :)
@T4NKD13S3L
@T4NKD13S3L Месяц назад
Just a little twist on the back of that trp will put it on par with the gavel
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
I have a whole new video planned for the maxed out trp :)
@JackofNothingess
@JackofNothingess 8 дней назад
Hey Jon, a question: Will the Byrna SD feed and run the Grimburg Juuls? They look amazing and I would be curious if it works on the SD and SDXL. Thanks again!
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 8 дней назад
Yes they do and QUITE well. I am going to revisit that shortly.
@plangullible6487
@plangullible6487 Месяц назад
Love your videos. I have the Salt Supply Pistol. Can I increase the Joules with a longer barrel or would it decrease the speed and accuracy?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Thank you so much, absolutely. A longer barrel will always increase accuracy, power, and range because it gives the round more time to travel. However, keep in mind then when you’re using a round ball, these are essentially modern day muskets :-) if there’s no rifling in the barrel or no twist to the round, it’s all about velocity.
@plangullible6487
@plangullible6487 Месяц назад
@AlternateArmsSD Thanks for info. I was considering buying a 14" Tippman Barrel. Or is this a bad idea?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@plangullible6487 Little tough to conceal but it should new brutal :)
@plangullible6487
@plangullible6487 Месяц назад
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks again for the info. I guess it would look like the Joker's Gun from the 1989 Batman Movie 😂😂. Have a great weekend..
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 27 дней назад
I just added the TRP to my collection. I just ordered it!
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 27 дней назад
Nice!!
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 26 дней назад
@AlternateArmsSD nice for me, bad for my wallet.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 26 дней назад
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 My friend, do I ever understand that :-) one of these days I’ll show you my private collection :-)
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 26 дней назад
@AlternateArmsSD lmao! I can only imagine. 3 Markers in 3 wks! I need to stop watching all these addictive videos. I think I know what it feels like to be addicted to illicit drugs!
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 26 дней назад
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 ROFL!! If it makes you feel any better, I talked to a couple manufacturers and it looks like we’re getting four more launchers next year :-)
@bertfisk1194
@bertfisk1194 День назад
Hi so you can use the Grimburg rounds in the Bryna? Also will pepper rounds burst if you hit a person with a coat, there not hitting anything hard??
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD День назад
@@bertfisk1194 Yeah sure can! Yes they will. It’s all about mass vs velocity.
@-SLEAZY-
@-SLEAZY- 14 дней назад
Do you know if the Grimburg Gavel no executioner or jury , can pop out shaped rounds ? Because using my round aluminum makes it bounce alot unless it's weak material but if I can used a sharp tip round or any shape round that go forward I bet it can pierce a type of metal... So for short too long don't read ... CAN THESE FIRE SHAPED ROUNDS?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 14 дней назад
Alas, not yet. However, the JUL rounds are brutal!
@-SLEAZY-
@-SLEAZY- 14 дней назад
@@AlternateArmsSD more brutal than aluminium 7g-8g?
@kennymaggic6004
@kennymaggic6004 Месяц назад
wish umerex would make the pdp more powerful, besides spring... news on umerx peper with ball inside to guarantee breakage.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Yep, those new rounds are supposed to be available next month. Stay tuned :)
@MrVictor257
@MrVictor257 24 дня назад
were the shots you fired pepper rounds especially the crystals?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 24 дня назад
No, those white rounds are glass breakers. I do have videos using test pepper rounds though and they work quite well :-)
@earlclinkenbeard7888
@earlclinkenbeard7888 Месяц назад
Can the grimburg be modified and can you send email catalog of your products with prices.Your videos are extremely informative and entertaining.Thank you.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Actually, the Grimmer does have a few modifications that can be done to the launcher. Grimberg is actually monitoring this chat so they will probably jump in here as well. I don’t currently carry the Grimburg products on my website, but give me time :-) they are definitely somebody I would love to add to the alternate arms less than lethal family :-)
@isghaakjattiem5954
@isghaakjattiem5954 Месяц назад
Need to get a modded hdr68 and throw it in the mix.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Oh, it’s coming :)
@elliottlang9100
@elliottlang9100 Месяц назад
I assume they would also work okay in the Byrna SD as well, yes?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Yes they would! In fact, where is from Grimburg that they were actually able to get an extra joule or two out of the byrna by using those JUL rounds.
@elliottlang9100
@elliottlang9100 Месяц назад
@@AlternateArmsSD- I'll buy some from you when you get them.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@elliottlang9100 I’m going to talk to them this week. Stay tuned :)
@roscoecummings3229
@roscoecummings3229 20 дней назад
Hello I have a dumb question could a non blow back be turned into a blow back I have two scorpions and a xde bb and nigh stalker BB all c02 I love the blow back I also wonder if I am the first to ask 😂 have a great day
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 19 дней назад
Greets! Alas no. There is an entire mechanism designed to "reset" the hammer between shots.
@roscoecummings3229
@roscoecummings3229 19 дней назад
@@AlternateArmsSD didn't think it was possible
@123catz
@123catz Месяц назад
Do you think the hdp50 with the valve block removed is more powerful than all these guns?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Not really. There are major differences between the launchers and the caliber is the primary difference. Also, each of these is capable of putting out MUCH more power than the HDP50 (Particularly the gavle). That being said, there is a cost difference. These are much more than the HDP50.
@123catz
@123catz Месяц назад
Idk I put a steel rubber ball through a betty crocker pan from like 20 feet away
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@123catz Oh, I know. I have done a ton of tests with the HDP50 and I love them. However, it’s a matter of mass and speed. You can’t go wrong with either one.
@123catz
@123catz Месяц назад
@AlternateArmsSD I want to do more tests it's just too loud for my location lmao 😆
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@123catz ooohhh yeah… they are loud :)
@J-GIB
@J-GIB 5 дней назад
if someone shot me with that I would laugh and put a 10mm straight in their face! btw your cute pepper rounds dont really hurt. my friends and I used to chase each other on dirt bikes and shoot each other with them. it didnt hurt and we were like 12
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 4 дня назад
Nice try "Tough Guy" but they are not what you think. I suppose that police departments, militaries, and private security companies all over the planet got it wrong but you have the inside scoop huh :) If someone shot you with a Gavle within 20 feet, the only thing you're doing is crying for mommy and praying the next round doesn't come your way :) Add in the pepper rounds.. Oh, did I mention prisons use it as well, and your weeping, coughing, and puking while your buddies ride by on their Schwinn's laughing at you. Thanks for watching!
@grimburglesslethal
@grimburglesslethal Месяц назад
7.8 to 8.03 g is about it. The new FAR rounds are a little bit heavier.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
They are BRUTAL rounds. I’d actually like to use them as our exclusive kinetic rounds for all future testing. How would you guys feel about that?
@grimburglesslethal
@grimburglesslethal Месяц назад
​@@AlternateArmsSDAbsolutely!
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@grimburglesslethal Lets get together on it. You folks deserve a permanent spot on the channel for sure.
@Pendragon501
@Pendragon501 Месяц назад
I ordered a Grimburg Gavle 3 weeks ago and it's Still in processing.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Kurt, from Grimburg, is watching this chat arc.. Lets ask him :)
@Pendragon501
@Pendragon501 Месяц назад
@@AlternateArmsSD They're apparently waiting on parts or something like that.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@Pendragon501 That would make sense to me. These things are all American made and I can tell you that other American made manufacturers that you've seen on this show are also having supply issues to some extent.
@MultiSkyman1
@MultiSkyman1 Месяц назад
Jon, I sent my Gavle in for an examination. The trigger is super stiff and unusable for me. I got it back, and nothing has changed! Not sure what to do now? Was thinking of sending it to you for an autopsy. Also, did you notice Grimburg has a new O-ring upgrade for the Gavle so that you can leave it pressurized much longer than the list 5 minute limit. Anyway, very disappointed.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Hey Brother, I know they are monitoring this chat. Let’s get Kurt involved.
@grimburglesslethal
@grimburglesslethal Месяц назад
Hi! The trigger pull is 4 lbs. That's typical on a carry gun, for safety. We test every launcher that goes out and is returned to us. If it still seems difficult, could you ask someone else to try it and see what they think? Have you shot any firearms?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Hey man, tell you what, shoot me an email and I’ll have you send it to me and I’ll compare it side-by-side with the one I have. They are right on the trigger pull. I have seen extremely wild variations between trigger poles. Watcher you think would be very light like the Glock 17 or some of the heavier polls, whereas launchers like the TRP which seem like they would be heavy or almost like a feather. However, until I see the one you have, I can’t really give you an educated guess :-)
@MultiSkyman1
@MultiSkyman1 Месяц назад
@@grimburglesslethal Yes I own several firearms and even two cannons for reenacting! I also own the Salt Supply S2, Byrna LE, Umarex HDR .68, .50 and HDP .50. All easy to fire. Actually, when I first got Gavle the trigger was working better and my friend shot it and my others. He did not like the Gavle at all. Only the LE and S2. Anyway, how bout I send it back one more time for a closer inspection? Will include the Co2 I was using.
@MultiSkyman1
@MultiSkyman1 Месяц назад
@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, Sounds good. Lets see what Kurt has to say. Kenny,
@JohnMatthews-rz6vr
@JohnMatthews-rz6vr 23 дня назад
Have you seen the streetwise heat launcher …
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 23 дня назад
Not only have I seen it, I’ve been directly in touch with their sales Director. Apparently, they don’t feel that my channel warrants having one sent for review. However, if you want to see exactly what it is, look at my video on the guard dog fireball. They are absolutely 100% identical.
@JohnMatthews-rz6vr
@JohnMatthews-rz6vr 22 дня назад
They suck ,I love ur Channel thank you. I’ll check the video out
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 22 дня назад
@@JohnMatthews-rz6vr Thanks man!
@CtyCmt6117
@CtyCmt6117 29 дней назад
I was wondering if they would take a teenage punk down..at 20 or less feet ?
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 29 дней назад
At less than 20 feet most of these will cause some serious damage. Also, keep in mind that you need to use a high-quality pepper ball in your self-defense scenario. I typically alternate my rounds.
@travisnelson8230
@travisnelson8230 Месяц назад
Jeff Mcay gonna test the bad boys. Bet better than Umerex pepper.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Hehe Jeff and I talk quite a bit. It’s not something he’s looking forward too :)
@travisnelson8230
@travisnelson8230 Месяц назад
@@AlternateArmsSD I can't say I blame him. We got a sauce where I cook called nuke sauce. I choke just from rinsing the sauce. I hate to think how bad the powdered stuff would be.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@travisnelson8230 yeah, and the finder the powder, the more effectively it’s dispersed. It doesn’t take much to really mess somebody up :-)
@clayc124
@clayc124 Месяц назад
Getting hit with a kinetic round is no joking matter, either.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Agreed!!!
@Joreel
@Joreel Месяц назад
Nope... They hurt like hell. I know from personal experience 🤣
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@Joreel Yeah, Ive taken a hit from an HDP 50 and a Byrna EP... but I have NO desire to take a hit from any of these ESPECIALLY the grimburg!
@HookahBarBusiness
@HookahBarBusiness Месяц назад
Byrna all the way. The others are goofy and a pain to charge.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
Byrna is the big dog on the LTL block for sure :)
@protocolsev
@protocolsev Месяц назад
I agree particularly with the Gavle. The power is always very impressive but if they even had a strike to charge system I think it’d be better
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD Месяц назад
@@protocolsev Give them time :)
@Joreel
@Joreel 29 дней назад
Just wait til the Solstice is finally released sometime in 2025 😎
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 29 дней назад
@@Joreel Oh, my eyes are on it. I’m hoping shotshow will reveal a bit :)
@user-zl3qz3pz5z
@user-zl3qz3pz5z 29 дней назад
Do you get all your self defense toys from the mailing system? I just don't believe in fronting my money out. Trust issues...
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 29 дней назад
Greetings, most of the ones that I test on the channel come from different manufacturers or companies that want to have them highlighted and shown to people. However, I ordered quite a few on my own to bring to you guys as well. In fact, that’s the entire goal of this channel. I want to show you guys exactly what you will get when you buy one of these before you shell out your hard-earned money. That being said, I’ve never had an issue with him coming through the mailing system, per se. I certainly do understand trust issues though :-)
@user-zl3qz3pz5z
@user-zl3qz3pz5z 29 дней назад
@AlternateArmsSD Thank you for your info. I'm new at this channel, so im wondering if you have done the Huben GK1? It says it kicks a 45 j.
@AlternateArmsSD
@AlternateArmsSD 29 дней назад
@@user-zl3qz3pz5z i’ve actually sent them quite a few emails and I haven’t gotten a response yet. I’ll stay on top of it though.
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