Have you experienced Dolby Vision improvements or are your movies not real HDR? Timestamps 0:00 Start 1:28 Purpose of Dolby Vision 3:28 Why Samsung Does NOT support Dolby Vision 4:10 DV Tested: Hard Clipping 5:48 Alternative Solution: luminance drop-down 6:34 DV Tested: Color Correction 7:25 DV Tested: Shadow Detail, luminance adjustments 8:29 DV Tested: blooming control 9:00 X900H tests limits of DV improvement 9:45 LG CX Dynamic Tone Mapping vs Dolby Vision 11:07 Conclusion: Visible Benefits of DV 11:51 Hollywood ignores real HDR & Dolby Vision (fake HDR content) 14:36 Dolby Vision in gaming: Xbox Series X 16:44 Gaming on Samsung TVs without Dolby Vision
Thanks for Your Info, Master, I never thought TCL can Go that Good. I always Were a Samsung/ LG Fan. I used to have 2 Samsung with HDR and None of them were good with nits and Dimming Zones. I will try TCL 6 35, I almost Buy Crystal Prossesor Samsung
@@Tee-King not unless you don't like it. That tv has all the features to get the most out of gaming, enabled by hdmi 2.1 I would recommend that you go ahead and buy some hdmi 2.1 chords and make them your standard. Fomo made a video and recommended some great monoprice cables. They'll be labeled "8k" and 48gbps. You'll need one to get the most out of your ps5. To clarify..you mean the new one right? Came out this year?
Man, I can’t believe you said all that about Samsung’s tone mapping and did not include it in the comparison at all. Please make an addendum video to compare Samsung compared to the these TVs with Dolby Vision.
I don't see the point in having dynamic metadata in games. A lot of games have hdr peak brightness setting, that essentially does the same function as dynamic metadata: tone maps the image to the capabilities of your particular TV.
The Chapter about Hollywood ignoring HDR is the real truth. Some are nitpicky about minimal differences, lag times, tone mapping - but in the end it’s all in the grading. Too dim? Probably the grading.
My panasonic ub420 has the highly touted HDR optimizer. My LG CX has dynamic tone mapping. Which should I use? Right now I'm using both figuring that the player will optimize straight from the disc and then my tv will use that data and optimize it best for the tv. It looks good TBH but is there anything to gain from turning one off?
Great video. I wish the q90t was in the comparisons. I feel like the q80t or q90t are the tvs people are most concerned about in regards to missing dolby vision
I have a Q70R 75" with a Panasonic UB824. I i am totaly fine with that P-Quality. Never expirienced clipping with my HDR movies so far. In 2 movies i think the TV just got to dark so fald aciviated to early. (Hunger Games) And if you need side by side comparison and the right tv with the right output of luminance you can ignore this shit.
How could you not compare a Samsung TV to others with Dolby Vision, hence the title?..........we need an updated comparison with a Sony X95K running DV vs a Samsung 90B running HDR10 and HDR10+. I want to see the real differences between DV/HDR10+ vs Samsungs HDR10 DTM and see if Samsung is right or not.
There were some things that weren’t clear enough for me. First, my understanding is that nit levels in HDR are absolute, not relative as in SDR. That means 100, 200, 300 or 500 nits should look the same in all TV models as long as they are capable of showing that nit level natively. That results in “Blade Runner 2049” looking dark in all TV models, as only the peak brightness reach 300 nits. Studios using that low level of brightness should not “fix” the inconsistencies of HDR tone mapping. I believe it only has to do with Roger Deakins not being a fan of HDR. Now, in my experience color grading in HDR 10, even if it only has static metadata for MaxFALL and MaxCLL, it doesn’t mean that I’m not able to raise the brightness in postproduction in scenes that I believe are too dark. As I see it, Dolby Vision does this process in the television, which SHOULD be done in the postproduction of a movie, like a human dynamic metadata. I think Dolby Vision helps right now because many studios are not careful enough (lazy) in doing a proper HDR grading for their movies, as it requires doing it scene by scene, so they apply a “general” HDR grading (or automated HDR grading) and call it a day, which results in some movies looking very dark in some scenes. What Dolby Vision does in my understanding (I have not color graded in DV), is using the metadata that is generated by the waveform when a disc is produced, that way it can adjust the nit levels. I think that, as long as the studios don’t apply “Auto HDR”, HDR10 can look as good as Dolby Vision. If a colorist or a DP graded a film manually, he will decide the brightness of each scene. In that case, I think DV should only be able to show a better picture than HDR10 when literally the whole movie is transferred to an HDR workflow without making any modifications scene by scene and letting the metadata be burned in the digital intermediate without any human intervention (taking the SDR grade and only converting it to HDR). Obviously it would result in the picture looking dull or creating metadata that doesn’t correspond to the real content. I would like to hear your thoughts, and the DP’s or colorists in the community.
This is very informative. I have a HDR10 monitor that can reach 1000nits brightness though i found a lot of HDR movies looking quite darker. When there were lights however or a lit up scene it did look brighter so i thought this was intentional. After your explanation i think i understand that it is more down to lazy post production of movies and not necessarily the monitor or HDR10. Thanks.
most hdr10 videos are mastered to 1000nits so if your tv can reach that level it doesn't need tonemapping. The best HDR experience is when your tv matches or exceeds the maxcll of the media and doesn't need to tonemap. It shows it as it is
the comparison should be LED Dolby Vision vs Samsung LED HDR10+, then OLED/AMOLED of Dolby Vision vs HDR10+. Q90t is an Qled panel so it will by defaut have better quality compared to LED tvs. its like material vs Format if Q90t vs normal LED Dolby Vision.
I saw the mandalorian demo on an x900h at best buy baby yodas cheeks look red and colorful the power of dolby vision tbh samsung only has like 20 movies in hdr10+ lol
Yep I believe they need to add support for things like that. May not make much of a difference in terms of my eyes. But other brands support every type of HDR.
Your voice has this calming soothing sound, just like Marc Cerny's voice. I could listen to you explaining technical complicated things while trying to fall asleep. (I mean this as a compliment)
I think the main reason HDR is dumbed down is that Cinema industry doesn’t want videos to out perform the theatres, which even with laser projection, I’d be surprised if they are 1000 nits, even Dolby Cinemas. IMAX has made improvements to keep up with Dolby Cinemas.
Could you do a video about *streamed* Dolby vision with different tv brands. Because I have heard there are issues with using some sony TVs (specifically OLED) when playing Dolby vision through the Apple TV 4K vs just the the tv itself. Some say there are issues; others don’t. I’d love to have your opinion.
Great explanation as always. Just when I thought I knew what tv to buy, then you bring in more knowledge for us. From what you are saying all the TV should be half price. Since they are only doing half of what they say they can do.
jordan rausch Disney plus tries to push all movies to Dolby Vision, try to watch Beauty and Beast, it looks super dark with Dolby Vision, you have to bring gamma to 2 to be able to watch it
Samsung are the only hard headed ones without Dolby vision. Says all you need to when they are virtually the ONLY ones not supporting it (lg, Sony, Panasonic, Philips, tcl, Hisense and Vizio all support). No DV, no buy. That simple. No reason to drop $2k plus on a Samsung when sub $1k tvs like Hisense and TCL match or exceed performance PLUS DV.
I don't have a HDR/Dolby DVD player. However, while watching UHD/ HDR vs Dolby content on Netflix, Disney, or Amazon Prime, I much prefer the Dolby content on my 65 inch LG CX. It comes across more pleasing to the eye and the colors pop more than when viewing UHD/HDR programming.
I wish that the Blu Rays had an option for a "real" HDR encoding for those who have a setup that can take advantage of it. Just like how there are options for which audio track you want to use.
The limited amount of Dolby Vision titles that I've seen I must say the colors really pop whether that's accurate or not as I didn't take measurements is to be debated, but I definitely find there is more pop with Dolby vision and I don't know if that was the goal,but I'll find out shortly!! Oh,by the way, I posted this comment before watching your video LOL
1nfam0us Basturd APPLE TV/iTunes is a great place for 4K DV content & if you’ve bought a title in the past in say HD & a 4K DV becomes available Apple will upgrade your content at no extra cost 😎👍🏻
Good question - not if it's player led like on the XBox One X (aka low latency dolby vision LLDV), but if it's TV led? I don't know as you are correct this means the DV chip on the TV must go through yet another layer of decoding.
Would it be possible to see a review on TCL’s with THX gaming mode vs TCL’s without THX gaming mode? Or maybe a Sony X1 Ultimate vs X1 Extreme processor?
I have Never Ever looked into any information about HDR before. I have known what its function is and what it should do, but never looked up anything specific before. I saw this video show up, and out of curiosity I watched. I am so glad I did! You broke it down in a very easy to comprehend way. Thank you. Just great, digestible information!
I just want dolby vision cus most movies and streaming support it id rather have correct content created color and nice darks instead of only 20 movies in hdr10+
Hey there, just for your reference, we typically grade HDR somewhere from 300-1000 nits based on what the clients want. (some directors don't like the brightness) and then put into a 4000 nits container. Like the film vs digital debate, directors' taste comes indifferently, the same thing with HDR. It will take a few years for HDR technology to improve to the point that the top studio and directors embrace the technology. It's also important to note that if film is the biggest thing for you, LG and Panasonic OLED should be the only choice for you because that's the only client monitor we use for all the top-grossing movies
fantastic video. Really well done. Question: Why do we need dynamic metadata? Why can’t the studios choose the movies range and then configure each scene to suit? ie allow static data to be good enough?
Stop the Fomo , I keep reading that LG CX does not support HDR 10+ I am buying the PlayStation 5. What kind of HDR would I get when and if I pair up the Ps5 with the LG CX? Or would there be no HDR allowed at all?
I'm looking into the same. I think it will still render standard HDR10, so still HDR but not dynamic metadata that we'd get from DV as mentioned in this video. I'm not sure if this is something that can be patched into the PS5 or if its a hardware limitation. I might wait to find out and end up buying a stand-alone 4KUHD player. If I have to resort to that you bet I won't be buying a Sony brand.
The Panasonic UB820 and 9000 have this great feature called HDR Optimizer that allows you to set the kind of display you have (eg. 1000 nits for oled) and then dynamically adjust the maximum brightness of the content being played to this before sending to the tv. This effectively means the dynamic tone mapping for the tv no longer has to 'work' to reign in the brightness and maps within this. I've found it to works very well. Brings back a lot of details in the highlight without affecting the brightness in the darker sections of the scene. HDTVTest has a great video explaining it. Glad I grabbed a UB820. Can it match or come near Dolby Vision? That would be a good test to do.
The UB820 is such a phenomenal player, I’m so glad I purchased. Having a dedicated disc player makes me much more likely to actually use it surprisingly, and the HDR optimizer really makes things click together for Dolby Vision in a way I wasn’t expecting.
Works brilliantly. Best example is the original Batman 4k disc. It has only HDR10, but seems to have been mastered quite high. Many people complain about scenes in that disc being clipped. Works great on my Panasonic player.
Love your channel and so glad you aren't dumbing things down for the average user. The only movie I've watched for comparison is Rise of Skywalker and I definitely saw improvements in detail in the Dolby Vision vs HDR10. Not so sure about bright objects.
I’m glad I’m not much of a videophile. I just don’t want to see large swathes or blacked out blobs where shit on screen can’t be seen and I don’t want the edges of people or objects to be noticeably blurred/haloed. I’m more of a sound guy. I want those loud bangs and snappy effects to be felt as well as heard and to be in sync with the happenings on screen.
I love the fact that you make fun of Samsung because I have been watching our stuff for the last few months and it's hilarious!! I just got a Samsung Q90T 85 inch and I love it. excellent picture. I game a lot and It's nice not worrying about burn in. I calibrated my tv and movies and games look amazing on it. I love how bright the Samsung tv gets also because i watch it with light coming in the room. it's amazing!!
"EXPOSED: This Is Why Hollywood Has Not Been Using Real HDR grade brightness." Did you just pull that out of your hat? 🤔 Vincent Teoh stated numerous times that the lack of HDR was explained to be "creative intent," and also stated that cinematographers like Rodger Deakins don't care for HDR - which is bizarre if true because master cinematographers like Rodger Deakins have shot on extremely high dynamic-range celluloid film for decades.
Since I buy Samsung tv’s I know that Dolby Vision is overrated garbage. Plus the internet and rtings told me HDR10+ is better…until Samsung incorporates it. ;)
People ask me about tvs and tech and in complete honesty I sometimes or mostly recommend your videos just because you speak the truth man, love you videos.
Interesting video. I'm looking for a new TV, preferably a Samsung as I have the Samsung q600c 3.1.2 soundbar which I have paired up rear surround speakers 🔊 to, for a 5.1.2 audio. However, some of the content I have is in Dolby Vision which appears in Green and Purple as my current TV doesn't support Dolby Vision, just 4k uhd hdr, so if I played the same content on a Samsung TV, I would have the same issue wouldn't I, as Samsung TVs aren't in Dolby Vision?
If you NEED a tv right now( as in yours is broken, or dont have one) the X900H would be one of the few TV that will be best for seriesX. However if you have a tv( even a 720p tv, like me). I would try to hold off. Patience is a virtue. If you like the x900h, next year will improve, and you will know how these tvs will work in real life use with consoles.
next year sony, samsung and lg will likely have mini led tv's like the tcl 6 series in this video. you saw how amazing the tcl was despite being very cheap. i'd say wait till next year you won't be disappointed.
Content is the big issue. Only Amazon are really supporting HDR10+, which is a big detractor when most other companies support Dolby Vision. Samsung gets rejected for that reason.
I saw yesterday in rtings that the Q80T supoports VRR only up to 4k60. But I read too that it does support VRR at 4k120. If it only supports 4k60, but having freesync, does it matter the VRR? I am not sure how it works
Nope - Samsung manufactures a different tecnology for phones/tablets based on RGB OLED not QD-OLED. The former works fine for small screens but not so well for anything larger than 12".
"HDR" in games is so far behind "HDR". I also don't think PC game devs will push the limits here as they know monitors are much worse than TVs in delivering HDR-> very few monitors even have local dimming or go beyond 600 nits.
@@truthx7 So you're saying that because an unrelated technology was criticized initially (because it did suck initially) and then improved tremendously, I should reserve judgement this time around? I'll reserve judgement but a whole lot of things need to go well here.
mohamedahmed1023 it’s not. My Sony TV does that with X-tender and SDR movies look gorgeous. Bright areas are bright and dark areas like night scenes are dark. Makes picture look like real life in terms of lighting
It's actually weird that so many tech savvy people still do not understand what HDR really is. HDR is simply High Dynamic Range, not brightness. The talk about Dolby Vision vs HDR10 is quite stupid IMO. It is technology used out of necessesity when your TV cannot reach the brightness levels required by the source. If your TV exceeds the brightness of the source, dolby vision dynamic metadata becomes useless since your tv can correctly map all the values. It does not need help from metadata. In fact all HDR metadata becomes useless at that point. The reason why HDR uses metadata is to communicate to underperforming tvs. If the source peak brightness is 1000 nits but the tv can only do 600nits, dolby vision can map out the 0-1000 values to 0-600nits correctly. Hell it can even take values from 0-10000 and map them out properly. Thats why its called "Tonemapping" This metadata is created during post production right before the final pass. Dolby Vision does not make your videos look better. It is simply meant for for tvs that cannot reproduce the needed Tonal values. It basically compressed the HDR signal to accomodate the tv's capabilities. I'd also advice people to reach about the ST.2084 transfer function / gamma used by HDR (HLG is dead) to understand how HDR actually works. It's suprisingly good at mimicking how our eyes perceive brightness.
Talk about FOMO. Every single day we hear of more and more Samsung customers that say they wish they would have purchased a TV that supported Dolby Vision. Since Dolby Vision has now clearly won the "HDR Wars" in Hollywood, more and more films like Top Gun: Maverick are going to be released in Dolby Vision. It's 2023 now and Samsung STILL won't be offering that to their customers. With each passing day now it gets harder and harder for Samsung to convince their customers that missing out on Dolby Vison doesn't matter. I wonder how much longer they are going to be able to fool their customers about that?
Definitely a work in process, and the good news is that LG is apparently working on improving this area - whether they'll succeed is another matter though. I'll look into it for sure
@@ilusiil battlefield 1 and mass effect andromeda. They look absolutely amazing but I can only get it to work at 1080p60 or 2160p30 and it crashes my pc when I exit the game
@@corzabourne2101 You're right. I forgot those games have DV. I couldn't get DV to work correctly in those titles either. I would get a strange red or green all screen color hue when enabling DV.
@@ilusiil if your running nvidia you have to set it to 8bit rgb in the nvidia control panel. What your seeing is a 12bit signal which either the TV or the gpu can't handle
Dolby vision adjust light etc fine but the problem is the ugly unnatural overly warm/yellow tone that some geeks call “accurate” and “calibrated “.I absolutely hate this overly warm look,it’s not accurate at all.accurate color is what we see in real life. when you look at your surroundings in real life,do you see everything overly warm and with yellow tint??
I saw a video of dolby vs hdr10plus side by side and they both have advantages and disadvantages. Dolby vision more contrast but less detail in dark zones vs hdr10+ more detail in dark zones but less contrast. So…it’s not a dealbreaker for me. Both look great.
i used to buy Samsung tvs...then hdr came out. Netflix is full of dv movies/shows. There's how many hdr+ movies? 10? Also, since most movies aren't even real "hdr", i'm guessing the lower brightness of the oleds doesn't matter much for the hdr effect
Good video, but kind of click bait. "Samsung vs Dolby Vision: Who's Right?" as a headline for a video that doesn't even use a Samsung TV for comparison
How is this a fair comparison, if you don't compare the other TV:s to SAMSUNG's dynamic tonemapping? They said THEIR tonemapping is good enough that they don't need DV, not someone else's.
I have a question: I play Xbox One X on an LGB9. I can calibrate HDR in the General TV & Display Options of the console. Should I turn my B9's Dynamic Tone Mapping off during the console calibration, and turn it on afterwards? Or should I keep it activated during calibration? It seems to make a difference with the brightness of the checkerboard patterns of the calibration sheets. There's got to be a right way to do this.
Samsung it garbage! I have 3x LG oleds and a top of the line Samsung. I get depressed every time I use my Samsung for movie watching...is okay for games, but still not as good as the LG's.
Its so ridiculous how SDR movies look better compared to the amount of people outhere with washed out HDR so called "professional " calibrations and settings. This bothers me so much. I wonder why 4k HDR content most of the time looks washed out and darker.
Remember the first time you saw 1080p? Well seeing a 4k movie with dolby vision is like that feeling x10. No Bull, if your tv is adjusted properly a 3k movie with dolby vision will BLOW YPUR MIND. I wouldn't trade my DV tv and DV player for anything I LOVE IT IN FACT I ONLY BUY DISCS THAT ARE IN DOLBY VISION.
As a fellow A9G owner with a Panasonic UB-9000...I've been testing movies with DV on and off. I'm having difficulty seeing any differences, would like your examination. I think because Sony has built in dynamic tonemapping and excellent gradation, making some of the DV advantages less so.
its the same thing with music..audio nowdays is mastered (compressed) to please airpod and bluetooth speaker users..or else the lowest common denominator..
FOMO, I just bought a Sony X950H 49”. The ability to crank past 1000 nits was awesome to see. Do you think the X900H is similar? This tv has a brilliant processor so maybe x1 ultimate is different? Or that doesn’t help this?
Remember in a full Dolby vision layer, it is also processed in a different way, not regular YCbCr. Allows for more exact colors. And even if the content grading “fits” into the HDR10 layer, it may be very minimal metadata.
Basically confirming my suspicions. Dolbyvision actually works and has value. HDR 10 is also fine in theory but in practice most TVs will still crap themselves if they're not spoonfed sub 500 nit content because they either lack for brightness or viable tone mapping strategy.
This was just a waoo, just wondering the amount of garbage information the internet is creating now a days. Its so difficult to find the right information sometimes.
Brilliant video, I mainly only use DTM on Xbox One X, it really helps those scenes playing at 4k HDR game mode and RU-vid 4k content, i don't see the benefit anywhere else? I'm probably missing something?.
So, if I understand correctly what you have said at the end of your very informative video, Dolby Vision could at times enable Samsung TVs to get more accurate colors according to the creator intents? It will also could be more useful in the future when the TV standards will be more uniform and the movie creators feel more confident to make movies with more luminance without the risk for some consumers to loose picture details? Doby Vision, while not being that essential for now, is a kind of insurance for future picture quality?
All I can think of what Dolby is. Is like a great looking film over the picture without the user changing the settings of the picture so pretty much defeating the need to set the settings for different content
I'd be interested to see the same comparisons but using the 4000nit demo. It's more representative of content, as nothing is mastered at 10,000 and it's more of a torture test.
