What's up guys Skill here with another video for you guys and this time we have the full new Doom Eternal game. We Will be playing through the full game so be on the lookout for tons of videos coming out asap.
@@Horrorcrusher8312 first I'm not interested. I don't even care. My simple point is you said. He should go to said video. Just so he can scroll threw to find your stupid comment. Good day
@@harold6522 Then why did you ask in the first place, if you didn't even care!? Don't call me or anything of mine 'stupid,' it's rude and I don't appreciate it!
@@Horrorcrusher8312 I pretty clearly explained in that last comment. When I said I didn't care. I was asking ironically because I'm clearly an asshole.
More than likely Hayden and the Seraphim were the same. He knew the slayer's rage against the demons and his insane willpower when the slayer first appeared to their realm. So when the slayer and the night sentinels were lost during their last attack, he set his plans into motion. He choose a parallel world that has humans in it and were about to face a power crisis. This will give him the reason and resources to open a portal to hell to find him. Note that he personally went to retrieve the slayers prison and was willing to sacrifice his entire crew for it.
I have this theory that Samuel Hayden is actually the Seraphim, disguised as a human scientist. He seems to be knowing too much about the Sentinels, Urdak and Hell
Phoo Yeah It’s not actually as far fetched as it seems, you are right on him knowing a lot (especially with Urdak as he himself says that no human, Night Sentinel, or demon has ever been in Urdak yet he knows a lot about it.) but there’s a lot of other hints as well. He is able to interface with the Fortress of Doom almost instantaneously despite never having been in it (note that the Fortress of Doom is said be a joint creation between the Night Sentinels and the Makyrs).He also tells you to take Vega to Urdak who is then revealed to be the Father (or at least have his Essence) and in the codex entry for Urdak, it revealed that the Essence of the Father was stolen by none other than the Seraphim. The disappearance of the Seraphim after bestowing the Slayer his power could be him going to Earth and taking on a disguise, that disguise being Director Samuel Hayden. Even the voice of the Seraphim and Hayden are pretty similar, with the only differences being that the Seraphim’s voice is deeper and Hayden’s voice is much more synthesized (though this is mostly due to him being a brain in a robot body). The last one is probably the most obvious, and that is the Seraphim’s name, Samur Makyr. Tl;dr there are many hints to the Seraphim and Samuel Hayden being the same person and it is implied as such. So I think your theory is pretty spot on. Edit: Fixed a typo.
@Samuel Phan I think his original plan was to find and bring back the Slayer, but without the promise of resolving the energy crisis, he would never get the resources and manpower he needed. And he possibly knew that demon attack on Earth is unavoidable as humans would sooner or later discover Agent energy on their own but without releasing the Slayer they would be doomed. There is also a possibility that he wants to contest the current status quo by uplifting the human race and directing them against the other Makyrs and Slayer was his plan B in a case something goes wrong.
@@blackknightpraetor1667 One other thing that seals the deal is when Hayden says that the whole soul extracting thing to maintain the Maykr race could have been avoided with different "leadership". The Maykr facility voice also welcomes the Slayer as "Seraphim" when he arrives at the ritual in Urdak, which could propose that it sensed Samuel's conscious. Not to mention a relief in Sentinel architecture which shows a strange looking Maykr in robes holding the Demon Crucible, and yet Hayden knows how to use this Crucible...
Samuel Phan You bring up a lot of good points, the Samuel = Seraphim theory does seem likely but as you said it doesn’t really explain much for his motives during Doom 2016. Though Kamil Szadkowski does bring up potential reasons of why he acted like he did in 2016, but if you want to remain skeptical then go ahead, nothing is set in stone and it is just a theory after all.
I personally imagine that, unlike in the game, our armor is caked in years of dried-up demon blood and guts, to the point we look like a demon-exterminating god fresh from the latest kill. They're not necessarily making way out of respect, they just see you covered in the gore of more dead demons than any of them have ever seen in their lifetimes and think "...I'm going to leave this one to the expert..."
I mean, this game has a really strong theme of religion - Makyrs just represent either the church or angels/gods and those always assume that everything under the sun is their property.
All in all, it worked out in the end right? Can't call it a betrayal if the betrayer saves the day later. We'll call it happy little sacrifices. And now knowing Hayden is the Seraphim, it was done for the greater good which we can clearly see later.
In the lore bits you can find it is said that the civilization of Urdak lost their founding Father's Essense to a Seraphim thief, and after that the Khan Maykr rose to power. The "Seraphim thief" is most likely Samuel Hyden, the hooded figure that granted the future Slayer his inhuman power and also stole the essense of the Father. In the original game it is said that VEGA was created by Samuel after finding the Argent energy, and he needed the whole complex to support his calculative power. Pretty insane technology, huh? The "founding Father" is most likely an AI, powered and housed by the Urdak's Argent energy source. Hyden stole him, repurposed him for the Earth's needs on Mars and had to pioneer the Argent energy discovery to humans himself to power VEGA.
Could be a refererance to "The Son, The Father and the Holy Ghost", which would make Hayden the Holy Ghost and the Slayer the Son, which could match up with Hayden talking about Two Titans meeting and fighting, that could be a reference to the Biblical Endtimes, where the Son of God and the Son of Satan apparantly have to duke it out for the fate of the world. But that´s just a theory. A (hastely and poorly researshed) GAME THEORY
Alexander Nielsen commander keen is doomguy/slayers father and the icons father is valen the betrayer who powers up the device you put in your ship so vega can track the other hell priest
@@AlexanderNielsen I really would dislike that. I`m happy with them not involving whole Christianity in this game, just demons and beings that that resemble something of angels. Because of that i could play the game without beating the eye.
I like the fact that In doom 2016 and doom eternal both Doctor Hayden and the Seraphim said exactly the same thing. "It's a gift. Take it, It will give you strength, help you on your journey."
Samuel Hayden is def that hooded figure that gives doomguy strength, and around 11:15 when he says that this could have been avoided with different leadership, im pretty sure he's refering to himself vs the kahn makyr before he became or transfered himself into the robot
@Boa-Noah please tell me more about the dark lord. I dont know a ton about the lore just a little about the slayer and that the most powerful being so far was either kahn makyr, king novik, or the icon of sin
@Boa-Noah I really hope that theres a third game in this doom bethesda series to make it a trilogy. In doom 2016 you deal with the spider mastermind, in 2020 you go to a higher power and kill the makyrs and icon of sin, and in the final game that hasnt even been started yet you discover and defeat the dark lord and all of the demons you said were that powerful, since doomslayer seems to be divine or godly in some way
@Boa-Noah Samuel is absolutly that hooded figure in doom eternal, the one that puts you in that yellow glowing thing to give you strength and you can see the tenticles, like the makyrs under his robes. Its the same voice. He also says "under different leadership these would have not occured" when talking about the kahn makyr and the pure argent energy. I think its definite that samuel hayden was or still is extremely powerful and is waiting to do something in the next game. They just need to explain doomguys divine power more cause to the general population he's just a human in a suit killing gods. I wasn't sure about all of that sentinal prime stuff like I didn't understand how he got there, what it was, and how he gained soverignty there. Its just really interesting. What would be awesome would be a crucible sword fight, hayden with the demonic crucible in his true form, not robot form, and doomguy with the new crucible after the dark lord and father are dead.
I'm pretty sure that Hayden and the hooded figure are one of the same. Serious red flags when he said the same words Samuel Hayden said in Doom 2016. "Gift. Take it. It will give you strength. Help you on your journey" It was him pulling the strings in the shadows the whole time.
@@thepope2412 Exactly! The game gives you little clues all through the campaign. At the ARC tower where Samuels remains were, the other scientist say they couldn't access his mainframe. Saying "It's all Alien". How is that possible when Samuel was supposed to be a human scientist with human technology?Also how was he able to link with the systems so easily in the fortress of Doom? Unless he was never truly human in the first place.
Yeah but the guy in the hood had tentacles and was floating plus if he was the same guy why would Hayden need to watch the doom slayer to find out his motives if he would have already known him
@@OnlysKidswillremember the doom slayer is the og doom guy, as far as I understand the lore, he spend some time from dimention to dimention until he ended with sentinels,in a way he's very alien to them and, since he likely doesn't really do anything that is not ripping and tearing, that's why samuel wouldn't "understand his motives", also this are very advanced races, that seraphim most likely just jumped into that robotic body, either due to some terrible event, or just because it's easier to pass as human if you're a high tech robot than a floating octopus
5:18 that solder probably worked his ass off to get in that position, to normal people he would be consider to elite. To the slayer he’s just a weapons holster.
This game kind of set up Samuel Hayden as the next villain because they admired it that Samuel's design is like the fortress. That means that his body was likely created by the Khan Mayker too. And now that she is dead and Hayden has the fortress, he can do a lot of damage and betrayal.
Actually Hayden is revealed to be the seraphim the person who stole god (now vega) and created a new one (doom guy/slayer) when vega asked if he is the father and Samuel doesn’t answer it confirms that vega is the father (god) that’s why he needed so much power on mars and so little at the fortress of doom and that’s why Samuel and vega are so easy at using night sentinel and mayker technology as Samuel Hayden is a mayker is disguise while vega is god the creator of the maykers
@@JohnSmith-nk9xq The game does mention why Hayden is destroyed beyond repair. He lead a desperate counterattack against the Super Gore Nest in Central Europe, but Gargoyles destroyed their air support, and the ground forces got annihilated. They found Hayden fucked up, and extracted his chassis to the ARC complex where you find him. It's in one of the "Story of Earth" codex chapters.
Julian Marco if Hayden is the villain i WILL cry. VEGA is my favorite character but Hayden is a close competitor. He’s the only person in the universe that can genuinely say “I was right and you were wrong” to the slayer lmao
Love how when Hayden transfers himself to the Fortress's mainframe that he gets right to the point once done instead of doing what he did in the previous, make a half-assed apology about what happened. He still tells you that you can't do things that you go onto to do anyways, though.
Anyone else notice how the Khan maykr is just really trying to keep the doom slayer out of the fight not to kill him but to keep him away from it all Also notice how doom slayer didnt mutilate her body after her boss fight so seems that was out of something wether it be respect or something else who lnows
Actually it’s because the Khan mayker could never kill the doom slayer since he is the new god (because of Hayden aka the seraphim) after the old one (vega) was returned so the maykers had no control over the facility since god (vega) had returned
When she dies and the yellow orb comes out and explodes in the sky, a ' mysterious voice ' yells " nooooo!!! " Foreshadowing for the next baddy in the sequel?!?!
@@kevinxsavagegm Yeah , he's actually "The Good Guy" were just playing another God Guy. Hayden was trying to save and help humanity , if the demons didn't get out of control everything would've been gone. It would be fun if we got a Samuel Hadyen DLC showing what he did and how he got wrecked after the events of Doom 2016
Hifezael El the Father is part of God’s matrix style consciousness and is needed to make a Maykr every 10k years; Each maykr has every previous one’s unified consciousness, but The Father disappeared somehow and the Seraphim somehow reincarnated as Samuel.
2016 samual: your work here is done now get the hell out of here! 2020 samual: *being helpful like a second in command* He legit act like a servent I'm eternal
pretty sure getting an ass kicking as badly as the one Hayden Got you'd be a little more courteous to the guy who probably Whacked the thing that whacked you
Wait. What lines? I didn't hear anything in your Timestamp. *E:* Nvm, I've found what you were talking about. "Take it, It will give you strength, help you in yoru journey....."
i have never played a single doom game in my life. this started with a graphic comparision video i clicked at random. an hour later and im all caught up on the whole story line and now im watching this. its one of those nights...
07:25 I just realized it's the same exact tone as when samuel Hayden gave the slayer the first argent cell. Could this mean something? And what does vega means when he ask abt being the father? Edit: one more question, if vega is the father, is the mysterious voice him? Cause it sounds like vega when it ask if it was the father 13:50 16:35
Samuel and the Seraphim are the same person, They both said:" I offer you a gift, take it, it'll give you strength, help you on your journey." before giving Doom Guy the power up.....or he's just possessed by him.
January, February: You see I have watched Wuhan, come to understand your motivation. We can't just shut it all down. You think the only way is to shut it all down, leave nothing behind. And you may be right. But we can't just shut it all down. Without economic activity, it will be worse. I don't expect you to agree. But with open unchecked borders and suppressed testing, we can continue our work. I am not the villain in this story. I do what I do because there is no choice. March: And here we.
Hayden being Seraphim perhaps is the most logical theory, but I think they are the separate entities. Like in doom 2016 everybody thought that doomslayer was the sentinel traitor, only being proven wrong in doom eternal. Hayden is most likely came in contact with seraphim at some point in time, where he learnt all about Urdak, hell and etc. Also I believe that there is an id card in doom 2016 with Hayden in human form, so no way he could origin from Urdak.
The Makyrs can exist without organic bodies. (The makyr guys you can easily headshot are proof of that), besides the game heavily implies that they are more AI like (VEGA/Father). I believe Samuel just mad a human body to hide in and when that failed due to cancer, he transferred to his robot body (which also explains how he was able to transfer his direct conscious into the ship).
I think that Hayden (2016) may have teleported us to the fort-o-doom(short for fortress of doom) (Also I assume that the symbol on the marauder’s belt may be a “mockery” of the doomslayer symbol)
Man that face off against the Titan was what I always wanted to do in a Doom game . This completes the circle!!! DoomSlayer did what no human or Sentinel ever could.
Samual has a near identical quote to the seraphim, the same voice actor as the seraphim, has a body (that he apparently designed) that is similar in architecture to the sentinel made Doom fortress, knows an absurd amount about Urdak and Hell (things that no earth researcher could possibly know), designed VEGA who is correlated in some way to The Father (which the seraphim stole), and has a voice say “welcome seraphim” when the slayer enters the ritual (the voice could have been talking about Samuel instead of the slayer). He CLEARLY has some sort of unknown origin because there are just way too many weird facts about him for them all to be coincidental.
*****SPOILERS***** From what I remember while reading the codex entries in Eternal, going through the story, and reading through some theories, is that the god of doom is actually vega. The makyrs are the divine beings that ruled over the sentinels, which are the order that doom guy was a part of. The "father" is the creator of the makyrs. Samuel Hayden is the serapham that granted the slayer his op strength and durability, by extracting the divine essence of the father, and bestowing it upon the slayer. Some proof of this is that his name was Samur while known as a makyr. He also separated the father's consciousness and took it with him after betraying the sentinels. Whether this was the father's will is uncertain, all that seems to be known is that everyone was fucked unless hell got its ass kicked hard. That's where the doom slayer came into play. Seems like the serapham posed as a human scientist known as Samuel Hayden after his falling out with the makyrs and the sentinels. Some people think that his previous memories were erased after transfering his body to the robotic humanoid form that was know him as in doom 2016. It's kinda murky since he seems to have regained his memories in enternal. Either way, love how this game ties narratively to all the other dooms, and hope that the dlc provides some more clarity and info.
It really does make a lot of sense that Samuel is the seraphim and other than what everyone is saying in the comments and I previously thought he was just sum human who was like nah fam death ain’t for me and became a cyborg and while playing I kept saying, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW SO MUCH SHIT ABOUT THE SENTINELS AND TARAS NABAD AND SENTINEL PRIMW AND WHERE THE HELL PRIEST IS?
I was very confused as well until the flashback and the fact VEGA mentioned his memory core was the same tech as the ship, I was able to put two-and-two together.
I've played through the campaign 2 times, and didnt know that Samuel Hayden was the priest who helped the Doom Slayer get his power. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
At 11:59, when he walks into the door, it says welcome seraphim. At this point, Samuel Hayden is within Doomguy's suit. Could the door be reading Hayden, indicating that he is the Seraphim. Plus all the Codexs' are leaning towards that.
Doom rookie here... Sam Hayden sounds too familiar to Satan to me, he’s defo pulling the strings. Dude has one of the most ominous laughs when regarding the khans knowledge of the blade