@@joshuawadsworth6417 backwards. If both sides are suffering then problems can be fixed. If one side (killers *cough cough*) just get to do whatever they want with no drawbacks then why even play the other side because whatever you do doesn't matter. And no I don't care who you are playing a side who is basically guaranteed to lose or has no agency in the match is NOT fun to play, or will be very short lived fun if any.
I think your compromise in the last video is the best outcome for chucky. If they just make his cooldown 5ish seconds less but make scamper slower you’ll be rewarded with hitting good hits with slices and dice instead of these guaranteed pallet scamper hits
@@KirkPwns It would be a good change but I think that bhvr wouldnt do this because it would make the iri a lot less effective. And Im not sure about making scamper faster in general because the speed that its at is already fast enough if not too fast, but I think a shorter cooldown would and a longer scamper would be so much more helpful.
You know what could be really funny? As Chucky slides under the pallet, survs should have the possibility to vault it on the upside of the pallet. Gotta tweak numbers for the time needed for Chucky to slide down a pallet once it's dropped, but it could lead to 50/50 scenario. And it's hilarious to imagine both the killer and surv vault at the same time xD
Thats genius lol, some looney tunes type stuff. Good chuckys can still counter it by waiting for the survivor to make a little more distance before vaulting, but this might make them able to make it to another loop
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@@elitechaz8440 I was referring to the skill gap of pallet stunning a Legion out of frenzy. The 50/50 guess, my point was even if u stun them out of frenzy Julie's mixtape would completely negate the skill gap, and add on the Iridescent button addon you essentially become unstoppable.
After a while playing legion I’ve sort of just discounted Julies tape as not worth slotting since it resets your attack count and doesn’t change any of your cooldowns when you’re trying to pallet munch, feels much better to run something with more stats.
@@foxiki387 I run Julie's mix with iri button with spirit fury and enduring for da memes. I stab them no matter what, I break pallet, then just brute force does the rest. I use frenzy/addons to get hits and then use the perks to down.
@@MildlydepressedLucario i run Julies mixtape irir button spirit fury enduring dissolution game afoot for da memes pallets dont exist at this point only speed boost pickups
It's like release alien where there was no consequenses to missing your tail. It should feel strong but there should be enough counter play to make it enjoyable for both sides. Nothing worse than playing a game you know your going to win or lose at.
I main Xeno and they're still insanely overtuned. They need to make the tail reactable. Good xenos will still be able to slide the hitbox and that would reward people for doing more with the killer than "use tail at pallet/window and run into it to block the vault and now you get a hit" until they go down
A good example of guaranteed hits was old pyramid head, where he could hold his ranged attack while u go through a pallet, and if you didn't drop it he could instantly M1 you with practically no buffer.
Fun fact he wasn't actually nerfed. He still can hit you through the window during vault. Idk about now with buffed animations tho. But his power now forces a pallet drop instead, if the buffed speed means you don't get hit anymore that's great. But I always found it funny everyone dropped him because his "nerf" when in reality for the past few years he still could get hits like that, unless the survivor committed to the vault before you even dropped ability.
@@Mr_Racooner That's bc hitting a survivor through windows/pallets was never the problem, it was the fact that he could option select the pallet drop. If you dropped the pallet, you got hit by the ranged attack. If you didn't, you got M1'd bc there was no cooldown on PH cancelling his ranged attack. I personally dropped him bc while the cooldown is necessary, it makes him feel soooo clunky. Wish they could have found a better change imo.
And with this, and past 4 killers, i still keep on hearing Legion is op... Its so sad how few things Legion is allowed when the entire power can be summed up as running a little bit faster, at cost of not being able to down.
@@cookiecreep9204Legion is seen as "op" for the same reason Nurse is being able to just ignore a pallet drop and hit the survivor who's on the other side doesn't feel good for the survivor it's boring and frustrating.
I'll echo a creative idea someone mentioned in the last video: I can guess it could take some coding work on BHVR's part, but it would be really cool if survivors could vault pallets while Chucky is scampering through them. You might have brief fights where a survivor is deciding whether to stay glued to the pallet or run away from it. Chucky could still use scamper to catch up after someone has moved off of a pallet though.
@@WutTheDeuceGaming I never even got to testing, but my presumption is that they've set it up so only one player can interact in any way with a pallet/window at once (and also added a few rules so killers can take priority interaction when someone is using Any Means)
Exactly! But i do understand why killer mains who never plays survivor hate that fact, i think wesker should be able to damage any survivor when he is stuck at the “after dash-vault” animation, it’s way to easy to abuse by the survivor and makes it pointless for wesker to fast vault using his dash.
This kind of thing is what has made me realize that unavoidably there are too many stupid people out there. You can have the clearest reasoning possible, you can explain a thousand times why, but some people will never understand.
all the other similar mechanics also have an animation cost. it seems so weird they didn't do that for chucky, too. legion has to blackout and stare at their hands, oni's powerup animation is the longest thing in the universe. maybe something like scamper you stand still for a second, or like a more extreme onryo slowdown.
Have a nice day scott! I appriceate the level of detail you put into your arguments, and honestly you do a good job of explaining it to casuals like me
Using Huntress is a bad example. Pyramid Head or Nemesis are way better comparisons because how quickly they ready up their M2 compared to Huntress and because how little ground they lose compare to Huntress in doing so. Pyramid Head is one of my least favorite killers to play against because he has guaranteed hits at windows and pallets. If PH has his sword in the ground you can't throw a pallet or vault a window because you are locked in an animation and get hit, if you don't vault/throw then you are more than likely going to get M1'd. The most you can do is fake it and REALLY REALLY bad players will attack instead of just waiting for you to be in animation, or fake then try to circle back to the pallet or window and use them. But again that only works against really bad players because they will just body block and then M1. Huntress is the pinnacle of balanced ranged killers because the time it takes her to wind up and wind down and because of her slower movement speed. She feels balanced around windows and pallets because there is some counter to it. To counter another point since I said all this, I played ~60/40 Survivor/Killer so the argument of "people making this argument don't play survivor" doesn't really work here. PH and Nemmy have a guaranteed hit at pallets just like Chucky. So I agree with the comments on your last video about "why are some guaranteed hits okay and others aren't?"
Just because other killers have guaranteed hits or any mechanic really doesnt necessarily mean its a good or fun mechanic and should continue to be added to the game 😂
you are killer main right? we need more ppl like you, its so wholesome to being able seeing perspective of both sides even if you prefer one. We need more people to play both roles I swear What I wanted to add about "no skill from survivors" I get the same mind about killers who tunnel and camp every single survivor in every match, especially the first one and they call it skill or strategy lmfao
These peolpe are just delusional and sad. Dont even bother. They wann make up for their lack of skill/experience by followowing the braind dead protocol of camping/tunneling. If someone relies on that in pub matches they are not just skill-less but also really sad individuals. Imagine absuing bs to make up for your own lack of skill at the despense of others fun. It is almost hilarious if peolpe try to make it as skill-less and brain dead as possible but are convinced that "winning" like that makes them good at the game...
i played both sides back when i played this game + switched moreso to survivor but i can still tell that you're invested in the mentality that killers should throw so low-end survs can win i guess that's what 'wholesome' looks like - the solo team in a 4v1 game sandbagging and often receiving bm from the 4 in and out of the match regardless
@@Evalora I think you didnt understand that correctly for some reason. As far as I understand it, it's about neither side trying to cheese a "win". Especially because cheesing a win ist not actually a win in the first place. However not cheesing doesnt mean you need to throw. That is not the same. I am pretty sure I do not throw as a killer but I also try to win by my own skill mostly. I dont wanna win because I am able to cheese sth. Like cool I won but it doesnt change the fact the other side is still way more skilled. This goes both ways of course but since a killer can decide how he wants to play every match quite easily and no such thing as soloq exists on the killer side, I encounter cheesing killers way more often then survs. But maybe it depends on what someone considers to be cheese. However overall I think you misunderstood the message. I hope I could help clarify it. :)
@@leonthegamer2839 ..do you not realize you're describing that exact mentality? 'killer playing in an unfavourable way to survivors = unskillful cheesing killer didn't truly win' i think i understand just fine actually - perhaps even moreso than my prior comment
@@Evalora I dont think so because that would mean that the only favourable way that exists means that the killer is cheesing/survivors are not having fun. But thats not the case. I had a couple of games against insane killer players that didnt rely on cheese and instead demolished the others and me by pure skill. I respect that and I still had fun and enjoyed trying to hold against it or learning from them. Dying didnt matter to me at all in that case. I also 4k myself against a 3 men squad and they actually wrote me and thanked me for the fun match because I wastn just relying on hardcore tunneling someone out. However I played into my perks and game sense and still won but they also enjoyed the match. So your logic only works if the only way to win equals cheesing but that is not true at all. You can defenitely win based on being good without any cheese needed. So again I think you understood it wrong.
I'm more surprised he hasn't mentioned the fact Chuckys Iri Add-on that insta breaks pallets has absolutely no slow down on him after scampering, or delay after swinging, it's literally just a free hit at any pallet and just removes the pallet instantly too. Unlike Characters like Wesker, Who's iri add-on makes them wait a few seconds after breaking the pallet, Chucky just can instantly swing right as he comes out with no delay or reduced movement speed.
I hate whataboutism so much "But if Trickster can get a guaranteed hit, why can't Chucky?" No, even though Trickster is low tier (currently) he should be changed, even if it means a nerf in that specific way
hey scott doesnt hubris only work with regular attacks? isnt chucky slice and dice special? im not 100 percent though on the chucky special or hubris in this particular case
I think people who say Survivor doesn't require skill aren't necessarily bad Survivors, but they might also be incredibly Killer-sided players. They might be a good Survivor player but because they're incredibly biased towards Killer (and refuse to improve as Killer) they just find ways to cope about their inability/refusal to improve by simply saying the developers do too much hand-holding for Survivors (most often in the form of "they have base BT").
I don't think anyone thinks survivor requires no skill, it's just that you can be a no-skill survivor and do well. Predropping pallets doesn't require skill, neither does mindlessly sitting on a generator any time you're not being chased. But if all four players do these things they will escape much more often than not.
@@sabre3001 Pre-dropping requires little skill but you can get so much more value out of certain loops if you don't pre-drop everything, which is a skill and requires knowledge to pull off.
@Grampa_Swood and yet, in comp dbd pallets are almost always predropped regardless and it ends up being effective Yes what you're describing takes a level of skill but my point is you don't need skill to do well on survivor
There is a lot of killer mains thinking survivor requires no skill, the can camp you or tunnel to death and they think this was bad play from survivor sadly @@sabre3001
@@Grampa_Swoodbro what you just said literally makes you survivor sided by that logic, you do realize it’s 1 mind against 4 separate minds, as killer you have A LOT to worry about, gen times, survivor positioning, how long should a chance take etc on survivor you just do gens that’s it if you can be a decent chase great but it’s not the end of the world, I play both and I actually play survivor more bc I can literally enjoy the game while playing Spotify and have fun on killer I can get my wins but I don’t wanna try all the time, and pre dropping doesn’t take no tiny skill bc if your wasting time kicking pallets well your wasting time😂, if you DONT then another survivor will later loop you on that same pallet you chose to not break earlier on, I’ve had the game nearly from launch I don’t know what your talking about when saying survivor isn’t easy it’s very much easy it’s not easy to be so good you looping a killer for 5 gens but it’s easy to where you can average more wins than if your playing killer
What i think i'd like to see behavior do to Fix chucky's guaranteed hits is to make it so if he gets pallet stunt while in his power he gets knock out of it and also if he gets pallet stunt being out of power make it so his power become's unable to use for like 2 seconds
I think the best thing they could do with Chucky's vaults based on how far away from the pallet he dashes from, the further he vaults from the quicker the vault could be, the closer he is the slower it could be
Wouldn't the counterplay be whether or not the survivor drops the pallet at all or keeps running? Or the survivor can try and bait chucky into swinging by camping the pallet to try and land the stun?
But if you make Scamper slower, there will be no point in using it because he will never be able to catch the survivors because he is 4.4. What I’ve seen survivors started to do, they won’t throw it immediately, they will mindgame you into a stun or make another circle around the loop. You have to remember that he is 4.4, yes he has dash, but so has Blight, So has Wesker, so has Oni who can chain downs and miss, and not lose his power, and on top of that they are all 4.6
What if they just give him the Legion effect where getting stunned puts your power on cooldown, or maybe in Chucky’s case, knocks the bar back some so you can’t use it right away
Wouldn’t a good solution be that chucky can’t scamper or slice and dice until like a second after activating Hidey-Ho? It would make your scamper have to be premeditated and if you wanted to counter a pallet throw you’d have to do the same dance as Huntress.
I think they would need the scamper to be a bit slower, or if a hit after a scamper under a pallet caused deep wound instead of a down if someone is injured.
Had a thought where scamper speeds should be slower than normal when not dashing into the vault area, but faster when you do. That way when a survivor is forced to drop a pallet, Chucky would then be forced to Slice and Dice into the pallet/window to scamper and earn the hit in that way, rather than scamper then m1 or slice and dice. I'd like for scamper to be completely silent, but slower when not dashing into a pallet or window. But if you do dash into the vault area, it would be faster, you'd have the ability to earn a hit, but it would be harder since it's still a Slice and Dice.
I agree huntress needs a buff. There is no "skill expression" with holding shift w at pallets then letting go of shift to vacuum the damn pallet. Vacuuming pallets needs to be deleted. Running through a pallet a few feet but then getting a magical and instant teleport back to the pallet 3 feet is just dumb. Its miserable to go against pallet vacuuming survivors as the majority of killer powers.
vacume pallets is integral part of countering many killer powers. Nemesis tentacle strike and Pyramid head POTD are two killer power that come to mind . you can baby swing into the pallet during drop animation to hit them.
@@dodang_9147 your "baby swing" is no counter to pallet vacuum. Its blatant luck with ping etc. Vacuuming was supposed to have been removed a long time ago. It's not a fucking feature. They allegedly removed it like 2 years ago. Notice how when survivor shits broken i.e. vault speeds etc it gets fixed. But when its an issue that affects killers and its not just nemi or PH. Its literally almost every killer power to a degree, that it stays in the game for YEARS. Kinda like DH you know. The most broken perk ever to exist and it was a meta pick for literally 90 percent of this games existence. I especially love it as huntress when you literally throw your hatchet as well, cause its like gone you know, and some how the pallet stun magically makes your hatchet disappear as well. Such a great "feature". The disappearing hatchet feature. If pallet vacuum is a feature then they need to bring back the survivor window vault feature that let you lunge into a fast vault and still get the hit as killer. That wasnt a bug it was an integral part of the game to reduce the time it takes to chase a survivor.
I just had an idea, what if BHVR changed Scourge Hooks to make several hooks (4) into Scourge Hooks and but upon hooking a survivor on said hook that hook deactivates as a Scourge Hook, that would make a Perk like Monstrous Shrine a good perk to use with say Pain Resonance granting infinite uses in theory if you only do basement hooks
They would have to Tweak a few Scourge Hook perks but it may balance things and allow a much loved perk like Pain Resonance have more uses given you get basement hooks
The people who say "There is no skill to survivor" are the same people who drop chase after 8 seconds and go back to the hook like clock work to tunnel.
A way to change that is to remove the attack after you slide under a pallet for 0.5 sec so the survivor have a reaction time. If 0.5 sec is too much just low the number.
The main issue isn’t instantly being able to hit after the pallet, it’s the fact you cannot make any distance even if you predict it and start running. There isn’t any counter play besides get a stun, unless the pallet is already dropped in which case you have nothing
Then you are playing the wrong game. The game is literally designed such that, the killers goal is to remove survivor agency while the survivors try to escape.
@@Reinami66 Removing survivor agency is not the goal. Working around their decisions and anticipating their decisions to kill them is the goal. Obviously removing some options is a great idea (kicking pallets, body blocking, using power effectively) for achieving this, but things that leave survivors with no options is not good for the health of the game.
@@BecketTheHymnist What does putting a survivor on the hook do? What does slugging a survivor do? What does killing a survivor do? All of these things basically force the survivor to "not play the game" until a teammate comes to them (or in the case of killing them, they just lose the game). That is removing agency from the survivor.
@@Reinami66 Yes being on the hook means your team has to come get you. Yes being slugged limits what you can do. There's a reason this is seen as pretty toxic. Yes REMOVIING SOMEONE FROM THE GAME MEANS THEY CAN'T MAKE A DECISION IN THE GAME ANYMORE. You are being intentionally obtuse though. Obviously things like this can make the game unfun and can be unhealthy for it, but it's understandable why these mechanics exist. You want LESS of this in the game though not more. The real fun of DBD is in predicting and reading the moves of your opponent not in taking away their ability to do anything. If that's fun just play against 4 afk people. Are you one those killers that just slugs 4 people to death?
Ok what if your power goes on cooldown for X seconds if you’re stunned to make pallet stuns more valuable while making scamper still very strong if the killer doesn’t get stunned
Yah keep saying this as if it’s a good solution, yah realize A LOT OF KILLERS HAVE COOLDOWN ABILITIES RIGHT? The chucky trick is to let them drop the pallet or stun you and then AFTER use your power but if your saying restart your power even if you didn’t activate it that changes things Drastically because at that rate your saying punish a killer player for not even using his abilities, imagine legion not in frenzy but having his power on cool down bc he got stunned or blight or pinhead or nurse etc etc that idea doesn’t make sense
5:02 >Scott uses scamper >He has enduring >Survivor finds pallet >He gets stunned >Loses scamper >Can't vault pallet >Does NOT get the hit >Doesn't get the down till 5:57 Yes Scott, an uncounterable killer, because Chucky can vault the pallet after enduring 55 seconds later.
I saw a suggestion someone made where they slow down the scamper on a “neutral” scamper but keep it the same speed when you slice and dice into a pallet so you can do cool chains between dashing and vaulting while the braindead just wait for pallet. Also Ik there will always be the survivor players who hate all killers (me im a certified wesker hater lol but only cause his hinder and all the campy weskers during the anniversary I actually know he his well designed) but for killer players to think that the killer should keep something unfun that will make people complain until the devs just go “ok well rework time” isn’t any better. Killers can be fun and strong, wesker has a fun component to his dash that is also fun to avoid as survivor. He also has an unfun mechanic (to me personally I hate all move speed changes) where you get hindered for being infected making it easier for him to catch you if a chase it taking long or tunneling you before you get a spray off hook. We can take the unfun thing away and if it hurts them too much tune up the fun thing a bit and boom.
I think the killer should suffer from slowdown after scampering for certain amount of time so that way they are either forced to chase down the survivor through normal means(Having the movement speed reduced to that of a survivor perhaps at 100 percent?) or use the ability to catchup either way they still cant chase effectively for guaranteed hit. What do you think Scott?
I play wayyyy too much huntress, and the first time i loop someone around a pallet i try to get an impression of how they are gonna play it. If its a high prestige or some "chase me skin" (mad hatter ace anyone?) i expect them to greed the everloving daylight out of the pallet. If you want them to drop on next loop, lunging JUST SHORT of getting into stun range will do that in 95% of cases. There are so many nuances to the pallet mindgame with her it might as well be its own game.
eh, saving power for scamper wastes way too much time when Chucky's only 110. especially if the survivors know thats what you're trying to do and greed pallets. on most loops, survivors can make it around to the pallet again if they react quickly. if you dont use your slice and dice to catch up to the survivor, your chases are gonna last forever, even if you eventually get that guaranteed hit. i think a stealth/scamper focused build is valid, and also not the strongest way to play him.
Ok so it is a guaranteed hit if chucky has enduring, the survivor have no chase perks, chucky commits to a 20+ second chase, chucky makes no chasing mistakes, and chucky hits them in the small hit window once they reach the pallet again. So that is 5 ifs. How the hell is that guaranteed, my guy?? I think it is perfectly acceptable for every killer to have guaranteed hits if they are using a specific perk, if they chase perfectly, if they commit to chase for long enough, if they use their power, if they hit in small hit windows, and the survivor has no chase perks. How many of these guaranteed hits can chucky even get before all 5 gens are completed because he is running around these pallets for 20+ seconds each?
I paused the video at Huntress. Say she’s got her hatchet up and all you can do is vault the window/pallet or fake it. All she has to do is wait for the animation or tilt her aim 2 degrees ur not avoiding a melee hatchet.
@@anettelma123how lmao? He said theirs skill to huntress, theirs skill LEARNING HER for sure bc I maimed huntress at one point but once your good with her she’s ez, every huntress main I’ve ever seen on RU-vid when their tired of losing and go for wins they pull out huntress so why is that?
So if you compare chucy and legion at a palate. Basically, if you stun the legion and they haven enduring, it would not matter because they cannot vault the pallet again the stun ends their power. But Chucky can, if you stunt chucky with enduring, he can still use the power and vault under the pallet. Do you think removing chucky's power after getting stunned would Help?Sorry it's so confusing I am recording with the voice input feature.
Legion and Chucky already work the same way in this regard. If you are hit while using your power, then you are stunned and your power goes on cooldown.
@@DerekRuggia Chucky can pop his power after getting stunned, which is scott's whole point. You're not using your power until after the pallet is dropped. I think Scott's whole argument is that while it might not be OP or anything like that, it's just an unfun thing and its something that can be changed with a very few minor tweaks like adjusting the scamper speed to be the speed of wesker over pallets (slightly slower than survivor).
@@MythicTF2okay so a killer that’s only been out for DAYS is getting told something is unfun yet nurse players who say fuck pallets still remain they way they’ve been sense the beginning of the games creation? A good blight isn’t fun to play against either, good whesker players like crombs are also unfun and annoying, nemi players can hit you at most pallets if they got their whip hit box down etc chucky is new and is getting shit for scamper when killers who’ve been here for so long are still needing work themselves I rlly don’t get it😂
@@dodang_9147 Nah almost all of those lean more like 75/25 to either side's favor as it's very predictable how the other player is gonna play the tile. For example, say you're at an unsafe pallet where the killer will try to bait you to vault the pallet. The killer is gonna double back about 90% of the time, so the statistically right play is to almost never vault the unsafe pallet. Now i know this tile might not be considered a 50/50 per say, but it's the best example i could think of right now.
@@larsliamvilhelm depending how short the pallet is will decide the skewed the odds are. I would argue that completely unsafe pallet are 0-100 for killer. the mild unsafe pallet are 50/50's until killer gets bloodlust 2 or bloodlust 3 then they become 0-100's. The loops that bloodlust 3 infinities have no mindgames. I think mindgames are strange because their success rate relies on what other person believes is correct play. For survivor, the correct play 90% of the time on first vault is to just vault but because killer know that this is 90% of the time the correct play, the first instinct of a killer is to double-back. As a result, the mindgames tend to begin on 2nd vault because of this pre-determined belief. That is why when you start not vaulting pallets as killer, a lot of killer panic and just start breaking pallets because they don't realize that counter-play to not vaulting is just running forward but then you vault so killer thinks that loop is reset so mindgame is gone but the mindgame is still there. you just need to go around the loop to get to same spot in which you could mindgame again.
Survivors should be able to vault when Chucky goes under the pallet. Keeps Chucky strong while ensuring that balance of skilled plays and guarantees is present.
This is just my opinion, but from reading some other peoples comments and replies, probably one of the safest things to do is treat the stab after a scamper similar to waiting out edurance, make it where in the first say like 5 seconds after a scamper, if you basic attack a injured survivor, you instead inflict deep wound, this was just the first thing that popped into my mind.
Increase vault pallet duration, decrease hidey ho cooldown. Hopefully they do that by live. I think Wesker’s pallet vault is the perfect speed where there’s skill expression on both sides.
youre always quiet when it comes to killers you play, huntress absolutely gets guaranteed hits throughout most of a game. the pallet example is bad bc that is just a flip of a coin thats not guaranteed but literally anywhere else is just free damage states, her hatchet hitbox is just way too big to argue otherwise, there is no other character in the game that gets unearned damage states more than huntress it just is what it is
Yeah I feel a lot of people are confusing very easy hits with guaranteed hits. Like you mention, huntress can have very easy hits at a pallets, but they're not guaranteed. Same with pyramid head, someone I play a lot. With chucky, if you scamper under certain pallets it does not matter what action the survivor takes, they'll get hit. That guaranteed hit is what feels so bad. Other killers have things like that too.
You say you play PH a lot but he is guaranteed hits as well. Scott using Huntress as an example was shit because she doesn't have guaranteed hits. Killers like Alien PH and Nemmy do though, especially PH.
@@atrozzorta9602 Again, you're confusing easy hits with guaranteed hits. Those killers you mentioned don't have guaranteed hits in the same way that chucky does. Yes pyramid head can get very easy hits at vaults and pallets but they're not guaranteed.
@@atrozzorta9602pyramid head only guarantees hits at windows and his power otherwise is just being able to tunnel but you don’t really want to cage people it’s basically giving an unhook away for free but most maps have more tiles than just T/L walls which you’re guaranteed to be hit at anyways unless you play them perfectly which isn’t easy but at pallets it’s not guaranteed and also slows him down while he’s holding it so there’s still counterplay and a mindgame and nemesis has a very clear audio q when he’s pulling up his whip for you to prepare to dodge or even just greeding a pallet alien however is guaranteed a hit in all scenarios cause you can just react to whatever the survivor does your tail is faster than a vault even when you hit it after they’ve started a vault and if they choose not to you just get an m1
@@SoulReaperBan First off just no to some of what you wrote, but other than that please use paragraphs or something. This wall of text was shit. Btw it's "cue" audio "cue"
I like the part where scott said these people never play survivor ever but his first example is something only someone thats never played killer would say
Predropping pallets isn't skill expression. If survivors are playing right, you can predrop almost everything, be safe, and get the gens done. I would gladly take the cowshed challenge.
I think a basic solve is to make him 1st person view when in power. He’s a really fun killer to play as and against. Though I think it is being overlooked how much you can see verse what the survivor sees. Or maybe when he pallet slides, he goes into 1st person for 10 seconds. Even when he vaults, unlike every other killer in the game, he sees everything. Even legion in power looks down when vaulting. That choice of camera angle was there for a reason.
@@jakedickson2311 I’m aware. My comment was stating that rather than slow him down and nerf him that way, just make him 1st person whilst doing it. It wouldn’t add too much of a nerf to his actual ability but limit him slightly and add more skill ceiling to use it. I mentioned his current camera angle as a way to justify why this would be ok because it’s already currently a buff compared to every other killer who has to use FOV perks just to get a few degrees. So why not, when in power or just when pallet sliding, put him in 1st. My apologies for not explaining properly.
Yeah being forced into no win situations with killers like artist, knight and now chucky is pretty miserable to play against. Obvs chucky is more egregious than the other two due to very very small windows of counterplay but the direction since artist (excluding wesker and maybe dredge) is mildly concerning. Its just not fun to play against, theres no skill expression, I just hope theres a pallet or hope they make a mistake rather than relying on my own ability.
I mean, SM & Knight, you're supposed to leave the loop against their powers and go to another one close by. With Chucky, if you don't drop the pallet he hits you. If you do drop the pallet, he can pop his power and go through it and hit you soon after. If you drop the pallet & leave the loop he can pop his power then slice & dice and potentially hit you, which just intuitively feels wrong but is probably the correct play as his power stands right now. Scott's problem is Enduring nullifies the counter-play (going for a stun) of his power since he can use that perk better than anyone to get guaranteed hits since his power has no starting lag.
@@MythicTF2 Nah Knights power radius is BS especially with certain add ons. They never should have buffed him. In fact he deserved the rework more than skull merchant did.
@@mckookie2967do yah forget that these are killers from actual films? Do you know how fast and silent etc alien is? Implementing his skill traits from the movies into the game as a horror fan is cool saying he should be “weak” to appeal to survivors seems like some lame shit survivor mains would say, as survivors you have a 3 person view just LOOK BEHIND YOU it’s not rocket science it really isn’t
@@203lue9 you're way too salty over the fact that his tail attack has literally no warning, the nerfed how fast deathslinger could scope in for the same reasons. Didn't Scott put up a video on this channel where you need like negative reaction time for it? His tail has nothing to do with his stealth
100% agree. Been playing with a buddy who is new. Alot of Knights who have no skill just spam npcs on the new guys that don't know you can litterally just W key away. Also been seeing alot of Meyers purpously not leveling up and M1ing because he is undetectable phase 1. If there is an exploit you can bet bad players will use it.
There’s such a huge difference between “there’s nothing I can do to avoid the hit because my teammates are new and dropped all the pallets instantly and the killer was smart enough to get rid of them all” and “there’s nothing I can do to avoid getting hit because the killer is Chucky.”
I think the perfect nerf for Chucky is just to make it when he’s stunned by a pallet to remove a portion of his power bar(3-4 seconds worth). Give survivor time to decide where they want to run and forces chucky to make a choice between breaking the pallet or waiting for his power to come back and play the pallet
One thing I have to ask is whether a survivor can vault over a pallet while Chucky is scampering underneath. If yes, then why isnt that the play to make? Chucky cant just 180 to my knowledge, and by the time they got out of the dash to turn and try to grab the survivor, theyd just smack the pallet. This could then create a mind game opportunity where if survivors keep doing this enough, Chucky will rush at the pallet, cancel dash, and the survivor will vault back over into his arms, or just keep running and now youve got a lot of distance as survivor. Hell could even have it where if Chucky is scampering under and a survivor vaults over at the same time, Chucky gets spit out onto the other side stunned like the pallet was dropped on them. Even with Enduring, Chucky is still on the other side of the pallet and has to turn around and chase you again. If you cant vault over a pallet while Chucky is going under, then whats the fucking point of animating Chucky going under the pallet to begin with?
Tbh Enduring feels horrible on maps with a crap ton of pallets like enduring on the game map feels actually god awful bc they still get to a new pallet before you either get around or break and chase them, really wish breaking a pallet actually had value during chase, but with how close pallets are to each other it honestly feels like you get punished for breaking or going around it, really hate how they design loops/map designs with pallet clumps, had a game on Yam Estate where 3 pallets where literally all next to each other, this was when Made for this still existed so they were abusing it hard...
hmm. imo RU-vid comments are an infinitely better place for discourse than something like twitter. Twitter is drive by announcements, here you can debate or discuss something. I feel like this kind of thing falls under the whole "audience mirrors the content creator" thing. Like, if someone is always telling their audience that they don't trust them, asking them not to be weird, saying they're creeps etc, the audience/chat will almost invariably live up to it. Similarly, you get someone who is extremely wholesome, is always grateful to their audience, constantly thanking them for the good they do, mentioning that they trust them to be nice, all that jazz. Then again, the audience will almost invariably do their best to live up to it.
PTB means they will change things. Since chucky plays like legion and ghost-face. They will most likely change pallet slams to remove active power and make the rush attack will be special attack. Perks are extremely unbalanced and most of them are not even used. Each perks balances out another perk, but they should've made it so the perk balances itself. EX. You run faster, but walk slower or your flashlight charges while repairing but gens speed decreased. As a killer only player I see the balance issue without playing survivor. Killer thrives when just one survivor dies so camp and tunnel is extremely effective, but on the flip survivors have no reason to fear killer as they have more then enough resources to stall for 3 mins until the 5 gens are complete. Thus this type of skill balance leaves the killer looking for the weaker survivor and removing them from the game then going for the others or chasing the stronger of them just to feel bullied until either the gens are done or they mess up. This skill divide doesn't feel like a skill base system just mundane tasks that need to be done like doing a job every game. But what do I know!?
Yea i hear you scott.. but after dealing with MFT.. im gonna save my ULT for the easy hit. They'll give him a small nerf but until they do.. gonna run that method.
chucky sliding under any god pallet ending up in a hit reminds me how blight with compound 33 just destroys a pallet and insta rushes and gets a hit, thus making dropping pallets almost impractical. no counterplay whatsoever, the only way to win a time is to get a stun. and this is his basekit. if they don't nerf this little shit, he's going to be a horrible public stomper and eventually people gonna hate going against him, *maybe* even more than vs skull merchant, you just wait and see
