Powder comes from the factory with 40-50% humidity in single base, and 50-60% humidity in the double base powders. When the reloading manuals give a powder charge weight it is with the moisture include in the weight. So it is with the factory ammo as well. If one dries the powder out, the rounds will be hotter than originally planned, due to the volume of powder and faster burning when lacking the moisture content.. In maximum loads it can become dangerous. And yes moisture can seep into a loaded round, as well as back out again depending on the humidity level out side the cartridge if given a week or so, unless one seals the round with sealant. Hence it is best to store ammo, powder, and primers in a controlled environment of say 49-58% humidity. This can be done within the sealed ammo cans by putting a Boveda 49% or 58% Two-Way Humidity Control Pack. Or one could store them in a Cigar Humidor cabinet that is both Humidity and temperature controlled. I personally stored my ammo in IP-65 rated boxes with silica packs in them, with Bluetooth temp and humidity monitors to boot. Within days the humidity levels were around 28%. Not good if left that way for extended amounts of time. I have since taken the packs out and replaced them with the two way humidity control packs. Now things are as should be. Anyway, vacuum sealing with desiccant pack will not only suck the air out of the cartridge, but will absorb the moisture from it as well whereby drying the powder out, making for a hotter burning load. Not good. chronoplotter.com/2021/08/19/how-does-humidity-affect-powder/ bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/09/tech-tip-humidity-can-change-powder-burn-rates/ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pzDHRwi3QVk.html
I've been doing this for years. What I have learned along the way is that I seal each each of the bag usually 3 times without lifting the lid. I mostly just vacuum seal the box of ammunition instead of individual rounds.
The idea is to keep the ammo dry. I think a lot of people miss this point. Everybody that says "I've shot ammo I had since the dinosaurs roamed the earth!" will all agree that it didn't get wet. A little air is fine. A little water is not fine.
Yes. If I KNEW there would be a chance to shoot my guns, say hunting or some other kinda venture that would be wet, I'd do this. It also helps organization if you're packing it away in a spot where just about every space counts and you can mold it to it as well.
Good video. In my opinion and several other people who are knowledgeable in this area. The reason for the vacuum seal is for the purpose of burying it in the ground inside a ammo can. It's an extra layer of protection.
A buddy of mine got a bunch of cheap vacuum bags and I could hot get a seal on a single one. I use the Walmart ones on the roll you cut, and they work every time. Oxygen will penitrate just about everything. Even plastic. But the plastic bag will keep moisture and water vapor off your ammo and is just another layer of protection.
You have to put the food saver bag down into the crevise right pass the sealer. It's the crevise that's rounded on both side that goes the length of the black sealer. Once you get the bag down in to the crevise, that's what takes all the air out and seals it real tight.
My food saver is identical to yours. I seal ammo I carry in my car trunk inside an ammo can for extra protection. My bags have been sealed for over two years and are fine.
vaccuumsealing might be good for shotshells, for waterproofing. also other stuff if you're going camping or something (Bug-Out-Bag?)....underwear, socks, t-shirt, matches, tinder, toiletpaper...you name it. it gets small and doesn't take as much space in a backpack.
@@EagleRun23 Yes I did. I was just wondering why you are trying to vacuum seal loose rounds. A tip. I purchased 1000 loose rounds in a bag, Federal, and I sealed 30 rounds and of course it lost the seal from the business end of the bullet. So, I put the ammo in another bag and sealed it. Double bagging worked. When you vacuum seal, there should be no air in the bag. You should not be able to bend it. It also may not seal flat and may have a slight arch to it. I live in a very humid part of the States and have a " humid basement ". So bad that I had to move my long guns into a gun room as the safes caused rust on some. I can't even put a metal ammo can in the safes as they also started surface rust. So my ammo locker turned into a gun room with a dehumidifier and my safes turned into ammo lockers. Plastic with good rubber seals of course. And yes, I have vacuum sealed rifles and they are still holding the seal for years now.
The 6.5 Creedmoor that u have the plastic shell holder. I'd have left them on the holder and sealed it all. I think it would've been cleaner and u would've still had the holder for reloads!
This is 2 years but if you can buy individually sealed packs of small Oxygen Absorbers used for food, they are technically rust packs but absorb oxygen basically instantly. I have use Mylar bags and if there is a hole or if the absorber is used up there will not be an absolute tight suck on plastic or Mylar bag. *Individually sealed packs are a must because you only get about 30 seconds.*
I vacuum seal mine purely for more space and organization. So I can fit more rounds in my boxes and when I pull out a bag I know there's 50 rounds, 100, ect rounds in that bag. The benefits are probably minimal compared to a good box, silica packets, and purely just taking care of your equipment.
Several people in comments suggest just vac sealing entire mags, they're correct works like a charm. Amo cans and oxi packs work for traditional storage but this is a great trick for bug out bags or a cache out in the woods.
The only way I see it being worth doing this, is what I'm planning on doing. Storing inside a backpack. I am wanting to put the ammo in vacuum packaging to keep it the ammo dry. For another layer of protection against punctures of the vacuum packaging, I'm going to use Magpul daka pouches. As for storage within a vehicle or structure. Like you said, store it in ammo cans. If it's a very damp or humid environment, it may be a good idea to make sure the ammo cans are aluminum or plastic. Steel ammo cans will rust, and possibly rust through, then it's bye bye ammo.
I really was just playing with this for youtube. Everyone liked the videos, so I kept going. My sealer is crap, should probably upgrade and maybe try again. Mostly I think its overkill for ammo, if its dry and not stored hot, should be fine for a long time!
I have ammo I made 20 years ago, no problems. Ammo my grandfather made, 30-30 300 sav and some 30-06, no sealant, stored in old western cardboard boxes loaded in the 1970s. Some of them look like hell but still shoot good.
I works pretty good as long as long as not steel cased . have been testing this for over 20 years . I have tried in boxes they came in and loose . In the boxes they came in gets more corrosion . My tests were buried for over 1 year, some over 6 years .
Its the Foodsaver. Mine went out after a year. It was hit or miss. At times I got a good vacuum and at other times I did not. We need a commercial type machine for this type of operation....if that is what you want to do. Foodsaver will not work.
I hate the freeze-burn on my boolits (but joking aside..1-keep your desiccant or oxy packs from direct contact to the actual ammo. Often it will ‘react’ to metalics and cause bigger issues). I have some that going on 20 years that have not lost vacuum yet. -I would say for .22 rimfire bagging like this is a advantage. Otherwise i agree kinda a pain and not much return (but again large qty of .22rf… this is a pretty good approach…..
Do you have any machine or bag brand suggestions for full sized rifles? The purpose is rust prevention in 5+yrs of storage. Reddit has been very unhelpful and even hostile regarding the idea of vacuum bagging, and quite honestly, I'm not interested in asking the gun community for help anymore except for select youtubers such as yourself since others aren't willing to listen. I'd assume that there's higher quality bags that won't require double bagging too. Wish we didn't have to explain our reasoning for why we do these things. Never understood why people can't mind their own business.
It seems like your vacuum sealer machine has lost its zing. It never really got much of a vacuum. I just finished doing this with 20 rd packs of 308 which fit perfect in a 50 cal ammo can. None of it is needed but it suits my OCD perfectly! Each of mine came out like a solid brick.
I had to put all the bullets in the same direction, then put a piece of paper over the bullet itself like a taco. This stopped the bags from getting holes in them
Yes. I've been waiting for this comment. If you are going to store something longterm- make it look good unless it affects primary function. I hate that they aren't all facing the same way
If you're truly trying to save bags, use a cardboard liner. Say from a cereal box etc, this protects the bags from the bullet tips. Wait till you don't count rounds, but rather weigh them. Say 15 lbs of .40 S&W LOL!
I think operator error is happening here bloke. My wife has been vacuum sealing all kinds of stuff for years,I will get her to vacuum seal some of my .308 rounds and see how they come up.
@@EagleRun23 naaa just stumbled on to ya man yeah 9 can't pretty much do either way it's not as sharp what I want is one of the mylar food sealers if I'm not mistaken it's supposed to be good for pretty much ever if it sealed in one those type bags
no more plastic cans? Man i literally threw ever single metal can i had out in the garbage. My grandpa gave me 3 ammo boxes when he passed away and when i opened the metal ammo 50 cal style can, it was all yellow and rusty in insides of the metal can. The bullets were destroyed lol. Plastic will last without issues. Lol. Those things rust. U can try and put rustolem on them, but over the years the will tarnish and get all gross inside. im telling you, ive kept bullets in plastic cans for like 5 years now, zero issues. Just my opinion. I mean.....slightest bit on moisture inside a METAL can? Nah lol. The plastic wont degrade that way imo.
I concur with air in them seeping out....and causing the air in the bag.....THANKS FOR SHARING, P.S. I SUB TO EVERY VIDEO I WATCH SO I HAVE 1000 OR MORE CHANNEL I SUBSCRIBE TO, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ABOUT BEING A ACTIVE SUB.....
@EagleRun23 I rarely get a reply from the creator of the video. I enjoy you content, thanks for responding, just subscribed. I look forward to future videos.
@@danielreeves6485 well I usually reply to most. Even those giving me a hard time. Haha I am headed out to look at my old vac sealed projects and do a 2 year update. Plus zip up some new stuff.
I am afraid the ammo will be damaged though, because it sucks out the oxygen from inside of the ammo too, and gunpowder doesn’t burn well without air. I haven’t tried it out, but that’s my prediction.
The gun powder provides its own oxidizer. It doesn't rely on the minuscule amount of o2 trapped in the case for ignition and combustion. You are good to go.
Man I'm sorry I opened up this hole can of worms for you . I see some of the comments and wonder if some people actually listen to what you're saying in the video .
You keep putting the ammo in the bag with the bullet tips against the bag seam. Turn them around in the direction of the final seal! Then put an oxygen absorber in the bag if you're worried about air in the casings. What you're doing is proving how silly this is to begin with. Too much time on your hands and apparently nothing to vacuum seal, so you do ammo.
Yes, this was a series we did, I dont recommend vaccuum sealing for storage. I dont do it, but I still have these sealed and we will check them in about a year or so!
None of those bags are vacuum sealing. Haha if you did it right it would make sense. You’re just not doing it right. It might be a little much but having 30 you can just snag out of your pack is very practical. But you actually have to vacuum seal it. There should be no air in the bag at all.
Adding: Just got a vacum sealer from Farm N Fleet, Love it, the ammo is well sealed, almost like flat pack bricks. No flop no air, I'd look at a new unit if i were you.
@@EagleRun23 I told you to take magnet to see if was 855 next video your still wondering.vacuum sealers dont have enough power to suck air out of bullets most are water resistant even if submerged they have a seal.i told you the plastic containers are not airtight if they won't hold water.hint put water in it and turn upside down.you also seemed to think ammo last 10 years when the rest of us has bought 50 year sealed surplus that looked new.understanding if you double bag the ammo won't pierce it and that's just a couple of videos.do some research and you won't flail around as much
Come on man let’s use our brains here, your shrinking plastic around sharp objects, LEAVE THE AMMO IN THE BOX😉 If it can suck the air out around the rounds it can suck it out of of the cardboard box.. double seal both ends and leave excess so you can re-seal your bag afterwards.
