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Season 3, Tier 4 is bout to come : The future of Lost Ark 

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After letting LOAON Summer marinate for a day, I decided to put my thoughts together about mostly Season 3 and Tier 4. I know there is a divide about this in the community, but spoiler, I am pretty positive about it. I may give my thoughts on the update tomorrow from AGS, but if it's nothing huge or anything to talk about really, I won't.
0:00 Intro
0:29 Resets
1:59 Ark Passive/Super Mokoko/Solo
4:05 Gems, back to just tapping rng
4:44 Fatigue
5:21 LSave?
6:25 Tackling Season 3
7:52 Limbo
9:33 tl;dr
Snow Sisters - Under Night In-Birth
Saintone season 3 doc : docs.google.com/document/d/1H...

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@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
This is a reupload after the first couple comments on the original was that the audio was sounding weird. I decided to turn off everything in Resolve and just let the vocal track run unaltered. I hope that helps but also probably some asmr noises probably.
@chriso6042
@chriso6042 Месяц назад
They did this for kr.. but the west has kinda the opposite problem vs kr. Kr had nothing to spend gold on, and nothing to do. West has no gold and too much to spend on, getting burnt out trying to keep up without swiping.
@heroblake6572
@heroblake6572 Месяц назад
Which is why AGS needs to implement Season 3 in stages and not all together. I’m not sure how this will play out.
@chriso6042
@chriso6042 Месяц назад
To me accessory change might be my biggest dislike. Before we forked over big gold for high quality accessories with the idea we complete a build with it. Now its closer to bracer where its essentially never done and all rng? And the best well rolled good ones will be 1mil+? I mean even a bracer with 100+crit and 100+ spec and 3 options sells for ridiculous gold, can you imagine the price if it was sold with good rolls too? I dont mind the idea of being able to swap between your 2 specs, but i dobt like what i saw about honing and rng on accessories.
@Real_Ice1
@Real_Ice1 Месяц назад
Shoutouts to Marvel 3 and UNI
@s.a4034
@s.a4034 Месяц назад
Couldn't say it better "you should respect your own time not expect others do that "
@rodux8031
@rodux8031 Месяц назад
steam numbers are pretty devestating, Im currently thinking about quitting myself, recently started playing destiny again and the game just feels so much more rewarding compared to lost ark idk
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Friend is really enjoying the new Destiny stuff atm.
@photograhy
@photograhy Месяц назад
What happened to your usual mic?
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
idk its the same mic and I did all the same process. Installed Sonar to see if that helps with consistency with my recording with all the EQ gates and such being handled as I record as opposed to post.
@funnycathehe
@funnycathehe Месяц назад
thumbnail made me giggle
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
It was originally going to be the director grabbing but I didn't find a good angle for it to fit for the hand.
@bfrfoxtrot
@bfrfoxtrot Месяц назад
You'll want a 10/7 stone? Huh? I want a 10/10 stone.
@atys1906
@atys1906 Месяц назад
Time to make x6 same class
@CowMoo9330
@CowMoo9330 Месяц назад
Very nice video! So, there a multiple concerns that I got out of moving to T4. First concern is the reinforcement of older progression. Basically, we are going to have to go through the same BS what we did in T3. I am talking about ability stones, quality tapping, and bracelets. Majority of the west do not like these. (I don't play in KR/RU, so I don't really know their stance on it.) I understand that this type of "content" makes them money, but it's system that is extremely dreadful for tons of players. Second concern is the progression system in T3 are still tied to T4 (I believe you addressed this in your video) This is good for vet players as their time isn't wasted on doing Voldis, Enchida, Thaemine, and Benemoth, but the issue here is that the gap between newer players and vet players has widen a bit. For a newer player/returning player who is catching up, they have to go through those older T3 raids. Though, it isn't required to do those T3 progression stuff, but is it highly recommended to do it. (Gatekeeping). People that are coming back or who are new want to get to T4, but there are so many unnecessary hurdles they have to go through. At this point, this is like moving to relic to brel gear or brel gear to akkan gear. As my static member said "same shit different day". There are lots of great stuff for vet players that are moving to T4, but I don't see this is a good opportunity for returning players to come back. They are still going to have to go through the same BS of what the vet players have gone through (elixirs & transcendence). Solo raid isn't going to help as much since it only goes from Valtan - Volids NM.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Yeah, ultimately one of my main concerns is that this isn't enough for newer players. When I talked about a reset in the past, the main point was always that it was a place for everyone to jump in and enjoy everything together while being a knowledge reset. But since you have to still go through T3 and learn how to use every power system essentially twice, it's a little sus. And I don't know if they plan to really address the 1600-1620 push much, which I hope gets big nerfs come t4 at the latest for the new players.
@Carlos-qg2me
@Carlos-qg2me Месяц назад
Yep they thought they cooked with T4 but new/returning people are still forced to do Vold + Thae 💀
@BatuKMan1
@BatuKMan1 Месяц назад
I’m pretty neutral about the LOAon, some big W’s, some big L’s: Main W’s IMHO: - Ark Passive; - Solo Raids; - Finally out of Akkan Gear; - Simplified coins, and other systems; Main L’s: - T4 doesn’t get rid of Elixir/Transcendence, plus 50% cost reduction doesn’t solve any of the issues with the system, lost opportunity; - Cards only a small change, in the form of LOS/KLC 24, plus more card sets, should’ve been deleted completely; - Have to interact with quality again, it’s an old system, should not been revived; - New stone cutting, based on new meta but stone cutting is the same cancer experience as before. Plus since more damage, another gatekeeping stat; - Roster 400, just another lvl. to gatekeep. Another thing I want to see, is with the gold nerfs to raids up to 1600, how to support main, plus how are new/returning players to get to 1620, if support ends at 1600, honing up to 1620 is costly and has to do Elixirs/Transcendence, so gold starvation plus long time to get all those extra systems done, otherwise they won’t be accepted to parties… In the end, they could’ve made a big L but as usual, they put monetization above all, so they decided to keep systems to just make ppl have to pay up not be be gatekept.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
I totally forget roster 400 is gonna exist. But yeah, I wish there were changes to how elixir/transcendence actually worked. Cards we can still hope they add more to vendors at least.
@schrissle700
@schrissle700 Месяц назад
i think newcomers will not really have to learn t3 systems. they‘ll just play with engraving support and use event gems available to all characters now. this way they can use t3 as a tutorial to learn raids and mechanics and will only really have to deal with gearing up when they start with t4 :).
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
I'm hoping they don't have to interact with it much, because I do think its bad for them to try to learn how engravings work twice over etc.
@RagingSorrowDR
@RagingSorrowDR Месяц назад
As someone who is still enjoying the game very much, I like seeing changes. But there will always be a caveat in the back of my head that says every system is fundamentally designed to make money and there's almost no way for them to steer away from RNG-based systems. So I'll have to reserve judgement until they actually interact with the player base. I am very indifferent about this LOAON. Elixirs and transcendence looked interesting too when they got annoucned, but they are hell when we got them
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Hey, thanks for responding on the reupload. Hope it sounded better. It's really good to always remember that's how the games are designed and monetized, and it does concern me too. I think with systems like Ark Passive, the game will be objectively better since this greatly helps alting and hopefully overall creativity and flexibility. But like you, yeah, you always wonder how long until I'm honing for .83 item level again at like 3% or less hit.
@RagingSorrowDR
@RagingSorrowDR Месяц назад
@@Jukwol One thing I'm coping for a lot of the stuff in the ark passive is that they don't just add clearly fillers stuff like endurance, broken bone, propulsion, etc., just to reduce the probability of good stuff to make you spend gold. The accessory reroll is looking like it. There will always be a meta and ppl will gravitate towards it. I think this results from the game being fundamentally dmg driven, in terms of player input. Unlike wow where you have healer, certain classes have spell steal, certain have interrupt, some are good at single burst healing etc. Viability of that playstyle inspires creativity, not just adding a bunch of stuff on an accessory. As long as the game is still MVP screen driven, it will be homogenous in terms of builds.
@Vezuls
@Vezuls Месяц назад
You don’t WANT a 10/7 btw. If u WANT to min max obviously you want a 10:10. But the good thing about this is the dif between a 9/7 and a 7/7 is 1.5% instead of 5-6%. For context they spread this difference as the difference between a 7/7 and a 10/10. And a 10/10 is just… not realistic. I have a chart of the damage gained per stone if you want, but basically the there are 4 bonuses per success amount 6 success - tier 1 7 success - tier 2 9 success - tier 3 10 success - tier 4 And this is for both engravings.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
That's good to know about the 10 10 but also lol oh man, what a dream that one will be to get.
@pgrey1312
@pgrey1312 Месяц назад
there are some system they should just scrap, even with tat elixir nerf and transcendence is still pretty bad
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Yeah, a gold nerf isn't enough to save those systems. They're just miserable to interact with. Well, elixirs more so than trans. Its kind of wack thinking that we'll have to go back and run tower and deal with that system if we want to minmax elixirs post nerf.
@darka86
@darka86 Месяц назад
Nope, not coming at least for now.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Yeah we're cooked om
@pascualbad
@pascualbad Месяц назад
This "soft reset" is the omega cash grab. Not only did they nuke the gem market the engraving book market it bout to shoot up. Cause they nerfed all the engravings. No longer can you just learn your class engraving and a grudge or something. No now they give u your 5x3 but at base line so you you have to read the engraving books to get the buffs they apply. So now you need to read all books in your 5x3 to get the full benefit of the engravings. So people are going to be spending all sorts of cash to buy engravings. Buy gems. Buy mats to hone. And still finish their elixirs and trancendance so they ready. After all that time and money spent in about a years time watch the brand new 1660 mokoko express come out nullifying all that time and money spent Buy people fomoing there minds out to keep up.😂😂😂
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
The switch to books being important is pretty nuts. Which I think you will probably need a decent investment into the system before it outperforms our current builds, unless they just make the system that much more powerful at a base level. I will be glad to not look at my loot and see everything good on a drop and it roll domination tho. But I do like how this can affect your entire roster with the same investments on engravings. Though it further promotes playing a lot of the same and similar.
@maxschmidt5608
@maxschmidt5608 Месяц назад
😂
@GFClocked
@GFClocked Месяц назад
Edited and reposted: I was watching stoopz stream (mr hype positive guy) so with all these changes and such i was hyped. It was almost a sensory overload. Got excited. But then once i thought about it more and read some comments - they really didn't fix anything have they? Other than solo raids until voldis for totally new players, but even those are implemented poorly. I can already imagine reapers joining thaemine and doing 100% front attack as that's what they trained for the entire time. They should've just recorded a few pulls and replayed it with the 7 cpus. But other than solo and a few changes, everything else screams like: whales, time to pay up. It almost smells like desperation, nothing was actually changed other than to reset your progress to entice you to spend. Nothing fundamentally got reworked - dailies are the same, alts are same, even the way you use alts to make it more alt friendly didn't get anything. How is it season 3 if fundamentally nothing got changed? It's season2:tier4. They had chance to unify gems to roster, make some sort of roster shared ilvl for alts or how bdo does it, make gems delectable without rerolling, fix all kinda things and rewamp. Why are una tasks even in the game still? If you ask me they see that players are burning out and they want that last big cash grab before its too late.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Yeah, that's why I was huge fan of the idea of having bots. So players could learn their role and identity of the class. Roster gems would had went pretty hard, but they did at least turn engravings into something roster wide. But I do agree about unas, and my hope is that by the time they release Season 3 is that we will get more news and information about changes to the overall grind still that maybe just weren't loaon ready to talk about. But unas are still very important for silver for a lot of people. So I think at best we would get a t4 daily mission that is one. Kind of like how they are doing the new chaos as an option. It's a little hope/cope there, but yeah. I understand your point. It could had been a lot more, but to me it's a step in the right direction at the very least.
@ghostytoasty5510
@ghostytoasty5510 Месяц назад
I know you're probably arguing from good faith here, but it seems like you just want to doom. They're completely reworking the engraving system, and accessories and stones are changing along with it to be better, bracelets are changing, quality is getting a pity system, gems are changing, tripods are changing, and cards are being improved so theres not a huge gap between los18 and 30. Along with a couple nerfs to existing systems and a reduction of chaos dungeons to 1, other than that what isn't improving? Just because it wasnt a jump straight to perfect doesn't mean progress isnt good. Above all else as well they're showing a willingness to make big changes and revamp old systems. We're allowed to be positive about positive changes in the right direction, no need to project some sort of ulterior motive born of desperation because you're still dooming. Also kind of disingenuous to say new players aren't smart enough to recognize that the buff they're applying for solo raids doesn't carry over to a real raid scenario. Do you think supports will also be confused when they aren't doing massive damage after applying their brand? Seemed pretty self explanatory that it was specific to solo raids.
@DoggyP00
@DoggyP00 Месяц назад
Says the g2g andy. I know you g2g because i said so
@Xplicit36
@Xplicit36 Месяц назад
@@ghostytoasty5510 Although some of his statements are doomer-like. I gotta say he is fudamentally right. At its core not much changed. Sure there is another stepping stone for card sets (a really old system), but they didn't change the way new players are able to obtain those, oh and they are also adding another card set for elemental damage (yay!); Quality taps got a pity system, that's good, but that's a really old system that we shouldn't have to interact with anymore and if we do it should be way easier to get a 90 quality- 100 quality weapon; gems, well you know the deal, back to farming more gems for T4; New engraving system that eventually will overpower the one we have right now, back to buying more books (relic ones as well, if you want to be competent); Elixirs and transcendence, we don't know how exactly are they gonna make it easier, so it's hard to judge right now. What I can say is that the system needs to be reworked in such a way it's less rng reliant (at least for elixirs); accessories, I took a glimpse at some of the screenshots they showed and oh boy, new accessories look like bracelets 2.0 with the amount of options those have; bracelets, more of the same. I think the only thing that I'd say actually changed at its core it's the solo content but even so it's only for old raids. Tbf, I feel like saying it's a step in the right direction is a little too soon. Some are even saying this will save Lost Ark. At the end of the day think about this: what's gonna happen when we reach T4? Yep, exactly. Back to farming a lot of gold in order to be able to get all the seemingly new vertical progressions systems they are throwing at us only to be able to play 1 or 2 decent characters. In sum, more of the same.
@GFClocked
@GFClocked Месяц назад
@@Xplicit36 you said what i wanted to say but more coherently. The main idea i was trying to convey is that its season2:tier4 as they haven't fundamentally reworked / resolved systems and issues we have now. Now I'm hoping there are some undocumented changes yet to come, but knowing that they even talked about bunch of useless stuff like strongholds it would be copium to believe that stuff like gem rolling, una rework, or anything fundamentally important wouldn't be mentioned. I'll wait and see. At least now i can recommend friends try out solo raids, so that's something. But for me personally i still need to prog thaemine and idk how I'm gonna be accepted since i have no elixir set, and its still going to be the same painful situation with elixirs even with the discount, and so will be the hours of searching for supports. If you ask me they should've reworked raids to be doable without supports in some capacity ( or extended solo raids at least to thaemine), instead they did a bandaid and you can now do chaos dungeon while you wait. Except that i don't have 5 hours worth of chaos dungeons as that's how long sometimes takes to find prog sups, even when spamming lfg discords.
@JeyJ24
@JeyJ24 Месяц назад
The fundamental issue is content is extremely padded out. I disagree with the infinite content grind as people chase that last 2% improvement. I've seend this before in monster hunter. The devs give this thing to chase with endless grind so people can play infinitely. Experiences are finite. The treadmill only causes anger even if that is what players say they want. Lost ark is an amusement park. You'll have new roller coasters, ferris wheels, bumper cars, etc. but it will always be an amusement park. You can enjoy it for what it is. It's a real talent that they made 3 types of classes and all of them are practically fun. I wish the padding was removed like +25 weapons achievable in a week. Progression needs an achievable hard cap. This is a completely different design philosophy and monetization structure. They could lean heavier into skins and cosmetics, but they just won't. A lot of people are asking something different than an amusement park, but that is exactly what lost ark is.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Yeah, I rather they learned more into monetizing for more fun things so people can feel like they're supporting the game because they like the game. Not the feeling that they're trying to milk you.
@itisthefear
@itisthefear Месяц назад
People think that these changes mean nothing, and it's the same all over again but they have clearly no idea and have forgotten how the game has changed over the years. 1. 1x Chaos dungeon 2. Able to customize your classes/builds more 3. Unified progression through the Ark Passive system 4. Solo Raids + 2-gate raids for the time beeing 5. Soft Reset instead of hard reset so that people dont feel like their progress was for nothing 6. You have more ways to make profit as a F2P now (cut accessories and sell, more options to make money through life skilling, etc) these are the best ones i can think of for now. But idk why people are not happy, this is lost ark, this game was never going to be FFXIV or WoW. People just want this game to be something it's not. It's better to just quit altogether.
@Jukwol
@Jukwol Месяц назад
Yeah. I think this are all great changes. I think a lot of the pushback mostly comes from the feeling that the time and money invested into the character was wasted. Since we are at the point of like, end of the road, all your power is basically done besides the latest system. So I think people really wanted to feel done with their character. But now not only is it not over, but they feel like they wasted their time/money. It's a weird concept to think about since we're playing a game and it's all kind of wasted. But often when I or others talk about resets, people are actually upset that such a thing exist and that's why they like(d) LOA.
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