Season Review: Did Jaden Ivey Take A Step Backwards In His Second Season With Detroit Pistons?

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Jaden Ivey improved as his rookie season played out and had a lot of fans expecting a big showing in his second season. However, did the second-year player regress this season with the Detroit Pistons?
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@dbuck2862 Месяц назад

Can not say JADEN IVEY took a step back due to MONTY WILLIAM bad coaching, and this is the 2nd Coach IVEY had in his professional career and both coaches wanted different things out of IVEY. These pistons need to figure out the CADE issues, he not healthy and He dominate the ball to much so that other are not involved in the offense. when all offense is ran thru cade everyone else skill set decreases. Most of this is coaching and coaching system, but no player skill level will increase if this is the same way he plays next season

@Coffee-iv4gt Месяц назад

Both coaches wanted different things and Monty want something different from Ivey every week. Monty couldn't have done much more to suppress Ivey this year. Ivey made fast and major improvements Casey. He played worse with Monty. I don't think it's coincidence.

@Hilltop238 Месяц назад

Ivey is a keeper, like Cunningham, he will thrive with a high level stretch 4 or 5 I see him as Vinnie Johnson

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Because Vinnie was a bench player, yes.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

The Pistons need a stretch five. Will they at least get a backup stretch five to give Ivey and Ausar spacing next season?

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Shoulda kept Muscala, right? This team is morons and as such will remain fucked and terrible forever.

@dannychx9234 Месяц назад

Ivey is the best example of why you can’t just chase ceiling in the draft. Shooting, defense and decision making were his biggest red flags in college, and what do you know? those are the very same reasons the fit with Cade hasn’t worked out. They’ll get less for trading him now than if they had dealt that 5th overall pick.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Of course they would get less now, yes.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

In hindsight we should have drafted Williams. I can't remember a single fan or draft board having Williams top 5. Did you see something everyone else missed?

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Nope! My list had Mathurin and Eason and Sharpe and Sochan ahead of Ivey, but no JDub.

@gameknotz3602 Месяц назад

My fear with next season is if we bring everyone back this will be the same exact result. IF we fire Monty which is what I REALLY want then It'd be easier to digest but if we don't fire Monty then I feel like this will be a huge slap in the face of the fans. It all depends on the "changes" this org decides to make. I would love to keep Ivey but I just don't see him fitting next to Cade if Cade is the starting PG of this team.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

Fontecchio was great for us this year. However, it comes with a big but. It is only a 16 game sample size with no one prepping for him as he was a backup in Utah. He certainly belongs in the league, and he is just what we needed next to Cade in this offense, BUT we need to see A LOT more to know what impact he will have.

@elblouses128 Месяц назад

Objectively, no. He didn’t take a step back. His scoring was slightly more efficient. His defense was a little better, overall. But he certainly had a rough PASB. He was inconsistent, like last year. Pretty normal development for a player like him (e.g DeAron Fox, Anfernee Simons, Colin Sexton).

@Truthtella Месяц назад

This is my problem with the assessment of Ivey. How did anyone expect Ivey to take a step forward in the Pistons' trash environment? Everyone is destroying Ivey in only his 2nd year but made every excuse under the sun for Cade's lack of second year growth. There is zero consistency in these season grades. If it were only Ivey that took a step back there would be a point to this but Duren also took a considerable step back this season also. There were clear points in the season where Ausar looked like complete garbage water because of coaching. This should be highlighted in all these assessments. From the coaching to the front office this was literally the worst run organization in the league. To expect a player to thrive or even just to grow in this environment is foolish thinking. Coach didn't even know how to use his players until the season was all but over. Monty couldn't even grasp the concept of staggering. Monty is literally the worst coach in terms of play calling and development in the league right now but players are suppose to improve. What a joke. So now because of incompetence fans are going to miss out on what could have been something very special. These reviews only serve how idiotic and sad this season was and it's horrid.

@jnsaudio81 Месяц назад

A... freakin...men 💯

@dannychx9234 Месяц назад

We knew going into that draft Ivey was bad shooter and defender. What coach is going to grow him, Ausar and Duren into anything? 3 guys who can’t shoot can’t play together in this league

@ronaldmcdonald1977 Месяц назад

Because Cade took a step forward. Thats how. Talent is talent. Ivey is a taller Will Bynum.

@doiteffortless8396 Месяц назад

Agreed!

@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Месяц назад

You're delusional!!

@cashflo502 Месяц назад

Ivey got screwed his first year having to play PG because Cade was hurt. He is a slashing scorer that needs shooters to open up the floor for him.

@nemss100 Месяц назад

If every player for the pistons don’t get better after this season there not going to get better traded or not

@jodygrimmett3745 Месяц назад

1st Listen....this is definitely going to be an interesting off season. So many things went wrong this past season, I have no idea where to begin. But I'll start with Killian Hayes. Him being a BUST ruined this whole experiment for the entire team. It effected the way we drafted and who we played. Stay up Ku. One

@phil1980boy Месяц назад

Ivey didn't take a step back. Ivey jump on a bus and drove 1 year back in the wrong direction. With that being said, I would keep Ivey around but he would be a banch player. 6th man. The Pistons need to find a starting SG. Reduce Ivey's role. Continue to let Ivey grow and learn and outperform his role as a bench guy.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

Did Ivey have a good season? Clearly, no. Can he play next to Cade? Not if they run the offense the way they did this season. The only plays. Used was Cade dribble to the middle and either take it himself or kick it to a shooter and Cade Duren pick and roll. If this is the only offense Ivey will never work well in it. It clogs the middle which takes away his biggest strengths, driving and slashing. Ivey is also the definition of a rhythm guy. You see him shoot pretty well when he gets the ball when expected or when he decides, but on a random kick out, not so well. He also showed great improvement his first year with a role and regular usage, neither of which he had standing at the three point line this year. There were some flashes of him and Cade playing well together: I saw some designed kick outs where Ivey got an expected pass work well and once an odd two man weave on the side with Cade and Ivey that put the defenders way off balance for an easy score. So, yes, Ivey had a bad year and has work to do, but I see ways that he and Cade could be a great back court. But if they are going to use him as just another cog in a Cade only offense they should get what they can for him in a pure shooter because he will ever succeed in that role (and Indont think the Pistons will have much success other than a potential play in, low seed).

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

If he can't be a good catch and shoot guy then there is no role for him at all.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 you are too high on Cade being the savior of this franchise. I think playing the scheme Monty runs with Cade has a ceiling that isn’t really that high, a mid tier playoff. We need other things as well. And using Ivey to his strengths I could be that. Just wanting catch and shoot is fools gold.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

@@cordelldemattei5446 very well said and I agree with both your comments completely. Cade Duren with some 3&D guys peak as a second round exit. Maybe a slightly better team than RJ Drum with the 3&D players that were never provided

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@cordelldemattei5446 It's not that at all, I just don't think anyone else is special enough to matter except maybe Ausar.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Duren can't guard you, he is a whole separate issue.

@kbarb3071 Месяц назад

Trade Ivey or see if he can be a dynamic backup PG Surround cade with shooters and defenders on the 1st unit Surround Ivey with shooters and defenders on the 2nd unit Ivey wants the ball in his hands... Let him do it against 2nd units... If it doesn't work, move on

@Bogamonster Месяц назад

Jaden Ivey needs to improve on his shooting consistency and reduce his turnovers but of beside Cade he has shown to be the most capable of the other three in the core four of being able to shoot. I think I am more concerned about the fit of Ausar and Duren playing on the floor together than Cade and Ivey. I don’t see a way to start two non shooters. I don’t think Duren will likely become a shooter and Ausar has a long way to go to be a respectable shooter.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Ivey can't shoot either, and he's a shitty defender instead of an awesome one like Ausar.

@Bogamonster Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 Ivey does need to improve both on defense and in shooting both which I think he can fix. He shot 32% from 3 point range on the season which is not good enough but fixable and can probably get to 35% with time. He improved on defense a little bit this year and can probably get better. Moving on to Ausar his upside is great and his defense is great but his shooting was horrible. It may be possible for him to fix his shooting but he is starting from 18% from 3 point range on the season and I don’t know many players that start that low and get to 35% plus over time. Which then leads me to think what kind of player does he compared to. The best case scenario I think of is he moves to PF and becomes a Blake Griffin or Aaron Gordon type. But more likely he becomes a Tony Allen or Thabo Sefolosha like player that good but not great. The worst case scenario is he doesn’t develop offensively enough and we have another non shooting wing like Stanley Johnson or Sekou Doumbouya. I like Ausar but I am not sold on him developing in a good shooter.

@Matthew-uh5kp 29 дней назад

💯 💶

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

Ivey will compete for MIP next season playing for the Spurs. Pistons fans will be disappointed with Keldon as our starting SG. Hopefully we find something good with two top picks.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

Lol just because Wemby said that Ivey is quick doesn't mean that Pop will ever want him there The only place for Ivey rn is Washington D.C. or Atlanta (if they blow it up)

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

@@rafaelsantana4905 They shopped Leldon and this is a very weak draft class. They don't need Ivey to be an all star just to put produce some random guy from a historically bad draft class. The Spurs might tank one more year for another pick and to preserve cap for a better FA class giving Ivey plenty of minutes next season.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 any of Dillingham, Sheppard, Castle or McCain is a better fit than Ivey there

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

@@rafaelsantana4905 just because they could be too ten picks doesn't mean they will outplay their rookie scale contract. Ivey's contract is similar to Keldon with one extra year. If the Pistons start their draft pick next season we'll struggle to win 20 games.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

@@pheralanpathfinder4897 It seems the Spurs don't want Trae Young Do you know what Ivey does better than Trae? Nothing

@florida1289 Месяц назад

Last year Ivey had the ball in his hand this year Cade was healthy so he had the ball. In order for Ivey to become his best version he needs ball in his hands. This is why fit matters when you draft.

@getplayed7272 Месяц назад

No? You need both, having all rope players gets you nowhere unless you want a 2015 pistons again

@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Месяц назад

He turns the ball over WAY too much, with the ball in his hands!! Ivey is 🗑 🚮 🗑

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Ivey is not good enough for that role.

@Coffee-iv4gt Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 Cade led the league in TO's for a good stretch. Ivey's ast/TO could easily be twice as good and they could easily get players that are twice as good as this year.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@Coffee-iv4gt So what? That does not contradict my assertion, which is that Ivey is not good enough for that role. If he is your engine, your team will suck shit forever.

@torchlord11 Месяц назад

I don't think it is necessary to review players that got traded since that just means they got an F grade from the team already.

@TerrificSleet Месяц назад

Do a season review of livers

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

It would just be....vomiting noises, I guess?

@ryencollins3417 26 дней назад

no.. the coach pushed him back lol.

@thugwayjoepog8163 Месяц назад

So if the Pistons trade him...he's a bad player?

@Kermac1988 Месяц назад

No I don't want to hear about the traded players✌🏿

@gordonsteuart8620 18 дней назад

Westbrook and D-Mitchell: Jayden is special..Enough said!! ..Without Cade, he thrived and Detroit played well......Monthy mismanaged him---wholesale!....Jayden will improve his shooting and needs to control his speed...>Trade and Regret Detroit!

@MrJacobrabbit Месяц назад

I like to hear about James Wiseman

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

He will be playing in China now that Weaver is apparently no longer in charge.

@lovedenaro6729 Месяц назад

Reflection of the sorry coach. Ivey did better with Casey

@jeramibanks3276 Месяц назад

After the crap the coach pulled through a large portion of the year. I would give Ivey a pass on all negative judgement for this season, and hope he still even wants to play hard for this ever increasing shit show.

@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Месяц назад

It wasn't a large part of the year, Ivey is a bench player at best

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

Sasser, I was actually a little disappointed in. I knew he could hit threes and floaters. But he was also known for his D and I thought he fell a little flat on that side of the ball. I also disagree with Ku because I think he is a backup point guard; a score first point guard, but that is not uncommon in the Association. He should be, and I think will be, better at getting assists with some more regular minutes and teammates.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

He is a 2 and only a 2, he doesn't have a point guard bone in his (tiny-by-NBA-standards) body.

@cordelldemattei5446 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 you are blinded by your preconceptions of many players.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@cordelldemattei5446 Lol.

@revmichael4 Месяц назад

i hope ausar becomes a decent spot up shooter and plays the 4 next year.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

He's a 2. The future is giants.

@teezzz9645 Месяц назад

He Stanley Johnson 2.0

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@teezzz9645 You are a lying slanderous crazy person, nobody has ever typed anything stupider than this: Ausar is probably worth more in trade than Ivey and Duren combined at this point.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

He obviously won't. He needs to become a 30% corner shooter and build from there first. I'd like to see him tighten his handle, he's way more intriguing as a slasher than shooter

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

@@teezzz9645 he's like 3 tiers above Stanley as a prospect

@tehrag.1138 Месяц назад

How can the team be properly evaluated when they weren't in an environment where they could thrive? Total waste of a season.

@doiteffortless8396 Месяц назад

At least he played most games. He’s available. Most of these guys take games off. Including Cade.

@revmichael4 Месяц назад

Pistons need to get a proper coach to fairly evaluate the young players. 100% sure Montly is not it.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 Месяц назад

Or replace you as a fan. You in love with soft as Poison Ivey?

@revmichael4 Месяц назад

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 not as in love with Monty as you are for sure.

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@revmichael4 That's not how this works, he didn't say anything of the sort.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

People will cry when half the core is punted for role players

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@rafaelsantana4905 How exactly do you trade away half of Cade? (Because the core is still one (1) player.) Alternate joke: depends which half.

@jnsaudio81 Месяц назад

No!! He got a loopy hippie dippy feelings driven coach. IVEY is a great player and beyond mishandled.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 Месяц назад

The coach sees Ivey plays no defense and turnover the ball. The Coach gets it, obviously you dont. YOu are likely young and only care about points. And unfortunately, Ivey isnt good at either. He cants shoot.

@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Месяц назад

@ronaldmcdonald1977 some people just don't understand basketball....Jaden Ivey is TRASH

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

He is definitely not a great player, that's just false.

@videki47 Месяц назад

Unfortunately, yes he did. Can he still become a good player? Absolutely, we need at least another half a season to evaluate him and Cade with some better surrounding players before we pull the plug on that experiment.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 Месяц назад

Nah bruh, Ivey needs to be traded. Fontecchio is a better player than Ivey

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@ronaldmcdonald1977 Stew is too.

@Zuwoop Месяц назад

Unfair to judge Ivey based off this season we all know Monty had it out it for him since the beginning he didn’t even give him a shot instead he insisted on starting killian, btw if Monty actually studied his team he would know not to start a career 40% FG shooter, he admitted he didn’t research our players and that’s why were in this position.

@ronaldmcdonald1977 Месяц назад

Nah, hes a professional. YOu a grown man. Stop coddling another grown man who gets millions to perform. Iveys soft bro. hes not a Piston. Always crying and whats up with those ashy ass lips he got?

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Ivey can't shoot either, dude.

@pepegajones6541 29 дней назад

Ivey is really bad, one of the worst offensive and defensive players in the league I’m ready to cut bait and move on to another option. You have to make moves while other teams aren’t hip to his actual skill set. To the fans: just because a guy gets drafted here…just because he wants to be here… it doesn’t make him a good basketball player even if he was picked top 5, this is a business not a fairy tale story

@scottwickett1273 29 дней назад

Yep.

@Coffee-iv4gt 16 дней назад

Yes, this is a business but it has very little to do with basketball.

@teezzz9645 Месяц назад

Trading Ivey in 2nd season will be worse than drafting Killyon over Hali

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Not necessarily, it all depends on what they get back.

@teezzz9645 Месяц назад

Yes necessarily that’s how you end up a team in no man’s land like middle 2010’s pistons

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@teezzz9645 No, that's not true.

@rafaelsantana4905 Месяц назад

@@teezzz9645 somehow they're in a even worse spot

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@rafaelsantana4905 "Somehow" = Troy Weaver is the dumbest person who has ever survived to adult age in the history of our species.

@legalchunks Месяц назад

ivey would of had a way better season if they didn't treat him like shit for killian for the first 30 - 40 games.

@teezzz9645 Месяц назад

This guy thought Killian Hayes was good when he was the known worst player in nba his prospect evaluation is terrible

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

That doesn't change the fact that Ivey is a bad player.

@pheralanpathfinder4897 Месяц назад

What GM gets every pick right?

@kaykilla1000 Месяц назад

Ivey will be fine. Ship Monty’s ass out of here and get a REAL coach that knows how to develop talent

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

Unfortunately, there is a difference between "fine" and "actually a good player".

@kaykilla1000 Месяц назад

@@scottwickett1273 Ivey is a good player much better than Killian could ever imagine to be who you advocated strongly for when Ivey was coming off the bench in in lieu off Killian. Where is Killian now? 🤔

@scottwickett1273 Месяц назад

@@kaykilla1000 There is a very wide gap between "actual good player" and "Killian Hayes", Lmao. If what you are saying is that Ivey is neither one of those things, then we would be in agreement. (Ivey is not a good player, that is a false statement, you are either wrong or lying.)

@Coffee-iv4gt 16 дней назад

@@scottwickett1273 Poku?

@niquebrad Месяц назад

You got to understand with horrific coach that did not care to be here can take a toll mentally on any player. Not knowing how or would not set Ivey in positions to succeed with Cade. Same for Ausar. We need a coach that cares for his player other than setting up situations where he wants to be fired. He never took up for his players, especially Duren, against the refs. Refs making ghost calls without being contested. IT"S MONTY!