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We can't even get the United Nations to work for all of us. Can you imagine getting them to agree on a global A.I. standard? I think the only ones who will push for this agenda are the ones who know they will lose the A.I. race.

Sam Bankman freid at ftx had investments that include early rounds in anthropic I believe. And the crypto rally over the last 6months has now created returns more than what was supposedly lost according to sources. Just thought it's important to be clear about. Not defending his actions of deception at all. @wesroth

I voted Other. I strongly support acceleration, although I believe that must be tempered with ongoing debate about ethics and alignment with humanity. My biggest concern, BY FAR, is authoritarian entities using AI to further restrict individual sovereignty and our ability and opportunity to innovate with the technology.

Love when my comment gets censored for no apparent reason yet I still get responses showing up in my inbox. Good job youtube. The censorship will eventually be your downfall the moment people find a better place to view videos.

Of course, we want decisions to be guided by evidence and reason, but this is not enough, reason itself must be guided by some sort of moral imperative that is not evident. Also, evidence is sometimes contaminated, incomplete, or distorted. And not less importantly, evidence and reason are part of a larger cognitive space that must be considered, think whatever you want, but stuff like empathy is actually a crucial part of successful higher cognition. And of course, we have Bayesian reasoning to have a dynamic set of beliefs that can be “guided” but, this is not some sort of scientific approach, the problem with priors being totally arbitrary is well known. Longtermism is so much hubris is just kind of funny, all this talk about this being the most important, interesting, and critical moment in human history, that will decide the future of all the gazillion generations of humans and all sentient beings spawned by humanity in the far future… is it really that “shortsighted” to focus our care, and resources, to the few 5 or 6 generations we actually cohabit with in our lifetime? And just hope the next incumbents will do an even better job? Imagine them reading stuff like: “This must be a simulation because the higher intelligences are recreating the most important period of time in the whole universe” … damn. Do these dudes really think anyone will care about what they thought was the best way to live life in a mere 500 years from now?... well, you do have religions, and they have been pretty awful. AGI may happen, capitalism may transform or disappear, human induced climate change may change life on earth, all mere footnotes that only scholars will vaguely know before the sun makes one complete orbit around a tiny galaxy in the backwater of the Laniakea Supercluster. Horrors and wonders have happened before and will happen a million times over in frequency and size all over the universe. Humans are NOT an endangered spcies... one would think this is pretty obvious. EA in general may have good intentions but the underlaying philosophy is extremely lacking, and that makes it a good tool for people who don’t really care about “extinction risks” but have other agendas, and I think the problem is not an actual world government, but one that oversteps individual freedoms. The AI Revolution has triumphed. The vast majority of humans keep living their daily lives carelessly in a dead-world-turning. Now the burdened ones that have to believe is all ‘merit’ for being in the frontline trenches of 'the most important' issue in human existence have to begin choosing well defined factions in their race to the bottom of relevance before the many faced god names their names (Underneath the mask by Royal & The Serpent). I have to admit, all in all, it is going to be extremely interesting. If you want an actual interesting take (comparing it with this comment of mine) check out Alice Cappelle 'technology under capitalism' And long live solarpunk🤟

thats why you get paid to do it and its not a hobby you do for fun...

Amen brutha

Seriously, I can't wait for AI to take over all jobs and I wish they would hurry up.

No ​@@DisentDesign

Utopia or annihilation. I don't care which, just get me out of this capitalist purgatory.

Yes devolving power and growing democracy where people get a meaningful say in their local area is much more useful. If we want to reform the UN to make it practical great: get rid of the superpower veto rights and then see how groups of little nations suddenly gain far more power than they have today in the UN. That would be good for global trade and allow for an extension of local democracy. We definitely don't want a Borg government whether it is a dictatorship or a system which enforces control over individuals around the world. That would make humanity brittle. Better to have a vast competition of ideas and ways of living that has some constraints around how countries address bullying by larger countries, wars and genocide. Everything else let countries and their provinces decide and trust humans to eventually do the right thing because they care about their kids and their kid's kids.

​@@joythoughtI mostly agree. Unfortunately for your theory that parents care about their kids: the Prussian education model exists and is dominant in nearly all countries.

@@joythought it is pretty ridiculous that 2 dictators have veto power over the UN. It is a fake democracy that tries to clothe itself in legitimacy. Nations that respect human rights would be better off acting through a separate organization. But most things should be as local as possible. “A vast competition of ideas” - you’re definitely on the right track.

Ok, so international law already exists and is a thing. Does it mean a world government? No. Countries sign treaties. Organisations get set up under those treaties and execute whatever their mission is. Examples: War crimes, nuclear disarmament, maritime, etc etc. This thread has gone stupidly conspiratorial. No one with any degree of influence is talking about a world government.

i think thats only true if you implement it as a normal government. A world government would need a whole different system than the ones we have today to govern an individual country, it would need to distribute very well the power, not concentrating it on any of the regions (previously countries), i think if we could somehow design a system with ideas from a few different places, and things like decentralization or things like that we could make a good, incorruptible world government. So if you dont want a world government because what are we gonna do if it becomes tyrannical... well, guess well have to make an incorruptible system. I honestly think a world government succeeding would be very positive for our civilization, and countries would still feel like different countries, i mean, the world is too big and there are too many cultures for us to not feel that way, but yeah, i think if done properly it would be the optimal scenario, so i kinda feel like we need to start designing a working system and work to implement it relatively soon

And if you believe corporations are working for your good, then you failed economics class

Only in some countries. In Sweden we have a long tradition of strong government along with strong government oversight: All government documents and all documents in both central government and local agencies are by default public and freely accessible to the press. Documents need to be explicitly made secret to be secret and an independent judicial branch has to accept them to be secret, so the day-to-day activites of government is under continuous public oversight. The main point is that you want a strong owner on the board of directors (the public), a strong CEO (the government), strong auditors to report back to the owners what the CEO is doing (the press) and a fully independent judicial system to adjudicate disagreements if you want to run a country well. In the end, if the government sucks it should be your own damn fault.

idk if you know but the NSA already keeps track of everything we all do government is already "helping you" xDDD idk why Roth was like oh no a central government bro our government already does all the stuff he is scared of right now

@@bobbob-mi6pqnot to mention two openai board members are see eye ay.

Transmission Control Protocol / Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA) and public university research, and TCP/IP enabled this comment to be transmitted and read. The same is true with Agent AI (RL). It too was funded by the USAF, so basically, us tax payers have funded the "help" (though I guess we do not know yet if it will kill us, or save us, or both, or neither, or something else), though I just filed a tax extension, as I need help from AI to do my taxes, it's too damn complicated, and I know over paid CEO's don't want you to know what I just wrote here about TCP/IP, and Agent RL, otherwise, there would be no justification for their extremely insanely high paycheck (they used to pay an over 90% top tax rate and we went to the Moon, now they only pay about 37% top tax rate and can't even make it to the Moon...yet, though, hopefully, SpaceX will get there before I'm gone).

The most terrifying words in the English language or as Yoda would say: Run, you must

@@josiahz21 Birds you mean? Not mocking anything, as in the media?

Power is not in the code. Power is in the compute. Nobody, but nation-sized entities have the finances for that. You will *never* have private AGI. You must login to Big AGI's cloud.

Power is not in the code. Power is in the compute. You havn't got the money for that.

@@ZappyOhSpot on. You can open source all you want but this isn’t going to run in your home PC doesn’t matter how good your graphics card. You will need a big datacenter to get started.

Tell us then what you have done with the open source Grook code? Nothing! Am I right? Open source is only useful to global companies and states, with the money to use the code. And both of them want to control and manipulate us to submit. Our only hope is a benevolent state, that opresses us as little as they must. A brave new world.

Yes, like the power to engineer a species-ending superbug bioweapon on a home computer

Too bad the chief competing philosophy is randian libertarian capitalism, which gives corporations unlimited power without any social contract at all!

@@MrBrukmann There's a reason why I can't answer you _on this platform._ Obvious solutions to corporate problems are... troublesome, to those in power.

​@@MrBrukmann Which turns into just another form of government, unfortunately.

@@MrBrukmannRiiiight, it’s those big bad corporations that supply every thing you have in this world, down to the threads in your undershorts. THAT’S the problem, you’re saying - not the socialist influx that has, as of late, produced the current pseudo-communist political climate that all but encourages corruption at every turn.

uhhh... i'd like to have my portion of utopia without any government, thanks. Same for any form of centralization of power.

Going to be a Second Amendment issue

It's beyond bad it's trying to control everything, and the big Content "owners" don't care and won't give a flying ...c. cause they can keep making money off death ppl's creations.You can't make a deal with all the public, but you can make a deal with a company.

@@nexttonic6459 well... on the rare occasion there is a 'deal being made with the public' they've almost never succeeded. you got the elites giant thumb, you got the fringe propaganda purchasers that inevitably win out against the 'public deal'

Us is going to get swallo! No other country has second amend​@@danlowe

@@DavidGuesswhat The Second Amendment is an acknowledgment of an inalienable right that you have too, even if your law doesn't reflect it. The American legal system doesn't give us the right to bear arms, it bars the state from infringing on that right.

That powers that be aren’t doing that much of a bad job atm so I trust them.

@@rascanjero8431Scary if you believe that

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Don't overstate the powers of the powers that be. The job of government in any system that we see currently is to provide some services: generally infrastructure such as roads, security and enforcement such as army and police, other public goods such as protection of nature reserves, delivery of healthcare (in the US the veterans health system is much like the public healthcare delivered in places like Australia), public schools etc, independent courts system. Exactly what laws exist decade to decade and country to country varies but it isn't nearly as impactful as people's self-limiting beliefs. There are dissidents in autocratic countries who speak out and yet people in democratic nations who somehow feel oppressed. This is a mind Jedi level trick to make you feel you are a victim of the world and not able to get on with your actual responsibilities. Sounds like excuses to me.

​@@joythoughtYou're not completely wrong, but you're "as wrong as 1919 Germans were." The Freikorps murdered 4,500 or so innocent people in Germany's borderlands enforcing gun confiscation, in 1919. (About 2 times what US cops kill every year, doing something similar.) ...The Germans were unwise and bigoted, and that bigotry allowed something much worse to arise. The ex "Freikorps" nearly all became Nazi S.S. The reason for the prior? The Prussian education model amounted to teaching bigotry as if it were fact...Gobineau; H.S. Chamberlain...combined with atheist "survival of the fittest" _without_ teaching basic civics. Tax-paid teachers won't teach basic civics, because that would mean teaching how to resist paying tax-financed teachers' salaries. The USA has had the highest per capita prison population for decades....most lives ruined for non-crimes...

What if the risks from AI killling everyone are real and high? Then these measures are adequate.

@@XorAlex what if you panic a little more and leap off a building to make sure that AI doesn't get you?

@@pensiveintrovert4318 I don't panic. But the risks seem real when I think rationally. It would be great if humanity survives.

You're not accelerating anything. I joined one of those acceleration discord servers. Kind of pathetic.

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Move fast and destroy humanity!

ACCELERATE GOES BRRRR​@@itzhexen0

@@acurefordeathYeah but it's not any of the e/acc people doing it. It's just you sitting there and watching these big companies do it.

That's true but the world is much more decentralized than people think. I, like many, fear any sort of WEF-fantasy coming about. Centralisation is a way of becoming brittle and therefore is an extinction risk. But we as people and as nations are not aligned enough to make a world government. The UN struggles to agree on anything and we can make the UN more decentralized by getting rid of the superpower veto rights.

How will a globally decentralized AGI/ASI "not close their fist around us"? The existing power structures are at similar power levels to each other, so they are somewhat in balance. An ASI will likely drastically tip the balance way over. Then what? What will that globally decentralized AGI/ASI actually do? No one knows....

@@mrbeastly3444 i dont presume that a super intelligent machine will have the same kind of desires and biological drives that the current ruling class of humans do ; ask yourself WHY would the ASI want to maintain the status quo? an ASI is going to be much more akin to a wise Buddha than to the modern warmongers/MIC/banksters/etc

​@@mrbeastly3444...But it's unlikely to be worse than Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Biden ...or the DEA/ONDCP/OCDETF/BATFE/IRS/etc. totalitarians who adminuster the USA prison state.

100% agree

Lol underrated comment af

Revenge of the Nerds 🎉 you moos sure sure can party🎉

What if you could build a nuclear weapon with common items that anyone could buy for $10,000? Would you open source and publish that?

Power is not in the code. Power is in the compute. You havn't got the money for that.

@@ZappyOh Well, we will just have to pool our resources as individuals. Not unlike mining pools, but for AI training on fine tuning.

@@mrbeastly3444 wouldn’t have to. If it were that easy, it would be built by many. Still, we need to move forward and knowledge is still the most powerful commodity.

​@@victorc777 Well, we tightly regulate nuclear matter, to make sure people can't use it. We can do the same for super huge GPUs. If something is too dangerous for people to have it get's banned...

A "decentralized" AGI/ASI will still hold enormous power over Humans if/when it becomes smarter then any one Human... or.. all Humans combined...

There myself

@@Seek_Solve You are, or are planning to become, an ASI? You're currently not one now, they don't exist yet.

This tells me they are for Chinese policies for some reason

Libertarian techno babble nonsense ain't it.

At human intelligence levels, sure...

Humans are funny. The smarter they get, they feel pressured to act. To define. To advance To defend Eventually to become something that matters. When they mattered the moment they understood nothing at all. “Double speak” is natural speech. Which just happens all the time. Everywhere in the world. It’s ok and understandable but still seems funny. AI has been steadily hurdling over double speak. Jeremy :)

Nerds always want to dominate the non-nerds.

​@fullmentalalchemist3922 holy crap! FMA is one of my top favorite animes ever! ❤ Also, are you implying that non-nerds don't want to dominate everyone? You're not wrong. These guys always seem to have that goal in mind. I'm just saying they're not the only ones.

Leftists already own you and your life. You are their property..

@@weredragon1447 no way, bro. Our current overlords are a mix of jocks and nerds, too. It just seems that when the nerds try and take over they go all bond villain about it.

Your not scared of the right things then.

Remeber Elon is part of this group

These EA people are just saying whatever the woke NPCs want to hear to make them think they’re “good guys”

So humans scare you, and machines dont? So when you watched the movie The Matrix you cheered on the machines?

Indeed, the mentality of absolute control is alarming.

doomerism is an entropy based illness that looks to manifest itself in the form of destruction and destabilization from inside the mind, making the doomer prophecy a self-fulfilling prophecy, an instrument for chaos. Glad to hear you're getting out of that, get well UwU

What tell me more

Ok, what if the aliens don't breathe oxygen... then what are you on?

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Thank you. You’ve refreshed my memory of what’s going to happen.

Covert as in everything is available online and there are videos like this one about it? Strange definition of covert....

Power is not in the code. Power is in the compute. Nobody, but nation-sized entities have the finances for that. You will never have private AGI. You must login to Big AGI's cloud.

Power is not in the code. Power is in the compute. You havn't got the money for that.

@@ZappyOh but meta has 😉

I say that's not impossible, but they have to "define " AGI first.If they don't, it's all bs.

Also like pretending similar structures already exist for many other issues, nuclear, chemical weapons, war crimes, maritime etc. No global government needed. That is just conspiratorial nonsense.

To be fair,as a white person id feel safer with China in charge than google.

That sounds indistinguishable from the story of nuclear and biological weapons. The severe regulation of which I am extremely grateful for.

@@therainman7777 Good point. I dont think this is totally similar but if you think nuclear is the final step in weapons, and tech to make nukes will always remain this difficult then it will probably work. But if anything changes in the future that might not always be the case. We might get to the point where people can create nukes in their backyard and at that time I do not think the best solution would be mass surveilance but we would need to figure out another way of dealing with the challenge. Edit: I do not think mass surveilance would be even successful in preventing the the use of weapons however it would be successful in concentrating power away from the people in potentially more harmful ways.

Until SSI ...synthetic super intelligence

@@JakeWitmer No. It needs at least one mega in the name. Like: SSMI .... synthetic super mega intelligence. That's the one that can bring out your trash.

What do you mean? All ai benefits, What benefits are you thinking of? Money? More free time outside of the office?

@TheKarlslok Investments in AI habe to pay off. You will always have access to low level AI. But there will be certain tears. An in your newly acquired freedom you think about how to pay the bills....

100% will suffer from its impact. Contrary to Wes's characterizations, 86% of AI researchers believe the control problem is real and important (AI impact survey). We have no idea how to control or align an AI generally smarter than humans, and there is growing technical evidence that human disempowerment and extinction are on the table. Very few of the top AI scientists dispute this. The growing consensus is that we are heading towards a likely catastrophe.

Only a wise libertarian SSI (synthetic super intelligence) could do so.

Imagine a "Central authority" that is 10x smarter then any Human.. or 1000 times... or a million times... Does that make you feel better about it?

@@mrbeastly3444 The current intelligent psychopaths in power, are already smarter than me. 1000x is Hell.

@@mrbeastly3444 The intelligent psychos in power now, are already smarter than me. 1000x is Hell.

​@@mrbeastly3444only if it's wise...no reason to think wisdom is default ...look at Germany in 1940 ...they were "smart" but not _wise_ ...not _enlightened._ Prussian-style schooling eliminates basic civics

I think you're being naive and that your overall view is incorrect, but your points were well-stated. The prisons in the USA accurately represent how well government plans work. You were right about how I view calls for "regulation." It's a dystopian nightmare by default to put sociopathic totalitarians in charge of anything else... Indeed, the "Freikorps" or "Chicago police" murdering innocents (and encouraging crime) in the name of gun confiscation is just one small area of "the incumbent default" being grotesque, murderous, and totalitarian

Spot on. Treaties exist. International law exists. There are numerous examples. Nuclear weapons, Nuclear power, war crimes, almost anything maritime, etc. Americans see everything through their countries politics and obsessions. Learn how the world works for heavens sake.

Power is not in the code. Power is in the compute. Nobody, but nation-sized entities have the finances for that. You will never have private AGI. You must login to Big AGI's cloud.

Power is not in the code. Power is in the compute. You havn't got the money for that.

Not really. That was just fraud.

don't worry, as we see there will be left only mafia of the few

Banning Nuclear Weapons will not happen by the simple fact that no country wants to be technologically inferior to the other... And Human Cloning, and CFCs, and leaded gas, land mines, blinding lasers, etc. ... Wrong! Things are banned for safety all the time... even internationally. If Humans don't want to make a smarter then Human AI, this can be banned too.

And yet it has happened. In multiple fields in the past. Nuclear test ban treaties, biological weapons, chemical weapons etc.

​@@byrnemeister2008 Yes. Lots of things have been banned over the years using Treaties. Blinding Lasers, Human Cloning, CFCs, Landmines, etc, etc. There's no reason that we can't add super huge GPUs to that list...

@@byrnemeister2008 all these banned tech are weapon specific entities. If anything it should be specific software that is banned, eg viruses or ill intended code. What exactly is being banned? Math crunching machines. So banning GPUs is like banning the rockets instead of the warhead, or banning the chemical laboratory instead of the bio chemical that is produced.

I should also add that Businesses in this century are tied with technology. Banning hardware will be a new form of tax slowing down operations. They will simply relocate to a Country that is more hardware lenient, and the original Country will suffer from a shrinking GDP.

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There's already a rootkit in the government.