I find myself liking the discontinued models much more, than the new releases. Sumo is great example. The new ones are missing too much of the original Sumo DNA. Seiko is messing things up.
@@mctruehunter step above turtles, samurais for sure, I rate them about the same level as the current editions of SPBs (62mas, Willard and MM200s) in terms of finishing and tolerances.