"You think that's baaad? Remember the time I took on Usain Bolt with a broken leg?" *quick cut to foot race track* "Hey, we runnin', or what?" *cut back to living room* *canned laughter*
***** yah he did "such a great unbiast job" that he LOST said job. Was FIRED. He had NOBODY who agreed with him... He was one of the most ignorant and arrogant ppl on television. They recognized it after so much hate against him constantly.. So Much that their entire network was losing viewers, support, donations etc... Yeah so ur "unbiast" and journalist who "did a great job" is an anti american prick, who lost his job for his biased and opinionated reporting....
So apparently nobody here knows the story behind it, so I'm just gonna put it out there: The thing with the writer's strike was that, unlike other shows Jon was technically in charge of the show, but when it came to the payment they had to work something out with Comedy Central. So he had no Influence on whatsoever; he did run the show after all because of the other employees (camera-men, production assistants and so on). It was a writer's strike, not an everyone-who's-on-the-show strike, but without a show no payment for the other employees. I think Seth's heart was with all the writers over the country, while Jon thought of all the employees on the show. So technically, I think they both have a reasonable point and there is no simple way to solve such a problem. So what happened was, Jon called Seth, explained his point to him, they had a debate, they came to a conclusion, all fine. And then comes Piers and makes a problem out of it... like, seriously dude. They are smart, grown-up men, they can handle it. Btw, Seth's teeth are so white they are blinding me XD
Well thankyou for that because I watched the clip and still didn't understand what it was all about, I had an idea but your post cleared it up it also didn't that Morgan just wouldn't STFU and let Seth speak, what's the point of asking a question only to talk over their answer
Yeah, people need to stop polarizing every issue so much... Piers seems sooo determined to spark a conflict there, when even Seth is like "It wasn't that big a deal, he called me up and kind of lectured me" or whatever, and Piers is like, "Jon Stewart's a pompous dick! You hate him, right? Come on, let's start a fight!!" ...The zero-sum nonsense needs to stop, m'kay? Also Family Guy needs to stop
We were so glad when he left the UK for the USA. He left after being involved in multiple scandals. We thought we were shot of him but now he's back on British tv even though no-one wants to see him. I was hoping America would keep him.
Nobody of Seth's stature should be in a room with Piers Morgan, the narcissist's narcifssist. If anyone should ever be cancelled, Morgan should be. Morgan is an important voice for Morgan.
Funny thing is his arc is somewhat similar to Kanye West's. People loved them for hating Bush to the point of self-parody. But when those people realized that the two of them found a Republican they could love in Trump, everyone involved in the love-in started to look like fools. Even though the signs they were mentally wanting in matters political were there from the start.
Respect to Seth MacFarlane for maintaining his composure and dignity. It's clear that he really respects Jon Stewart and that, despite disagreeing with Jon, he acknowledges how what he did could be seen as being in the wrong. Great respect for both him and Stewart. Piers Morgan on the other hand, fuck him. He was so horrible at his job. Even in this interview, he's just trying to rile Seth up unnecessarily, and create a feud where there doesn't need to be one.
Personally, I think Stewart is a total hypocrite if his argument was "Who are you to be the moral arbiter" when that's his whole career. Looks to me like Seth was just afraid that Stewart had a better forum for ridiculing him. that makes Stewart a hypocrite AND a bully.
Stewart didn't really make this public though, it was a private conversation between the two of them where Stewart made his opinions known. It would be bullying if he did this publicly on his show and used his fanbase to harass Seth, but that's not what happened. His career IMO isn't to be moral arbiter, but to point out the hypocrisies of those with a voice and influence (the media, the government). He's a satirist, he ridicules. I get where you're coming from, but again IMO, he does a good job, better than most, at managing to be a critic while not having an agenda. That's why he refuses to ever go into politics, because he likes that outsider role.
Piers just can't understand that people as intelligent as Jon and Seth can work out their own disagreements on their own without making it a national boxing match, and they did. Funny how it's the comedians that end up being the more mature and respecful than the the serious media personalities.
+Throat Yogurt that debate helped no one. 'THEY WORK IN TV' and protested more money? Overpaid they are for what I wanted cancelled! Too much writers are in line.
+Tiana Pi Tesr The people striking were mostly the people that never step foot in front of a camera. Writers practically get pennies on the dollar compared to actors. Yet they are the reason we get everything that's not strictly improvisational or reality television.
Đuro Razbojnik Everyone has an opinion. The ones that can convey that opinion with eloquence are the ones that deserve respect. This guy is an obnoxious idiot.
Being able to articulate your opinions like an adult, with big boy words and no contempt, is earning it. Perhaps you missed my point. Or maybe you don't value communication. You definitely read too many motivational posters though.
Ryan Dixon yep. Both he and Jon are. Surprised Jon unleashed on him. Especially because you can tell Seth looked up to him politically. Strange world we live in. Piers is just another dude in a tie with an agenda.
Yep. I had a supervisor like this. He tried to make these two coworkers who were good friends fight each other by telling each of them that one was trying to frame the other for a mistake. We all knew this guy was a grade A shit-stirrer who had zero respect for his subordinates, so they saw through the horseshit. It just added to the list of reasons we didn't respect him.
In the first minute of this, Seth asks at least 3 times how Piers found out about this; almost everyone back here in the UK will know exactly how Piers found out.
+Véronique Lafrance About 20 years ago, Piers Morgan worked for a newspaper here in the UK called the Daily Mirror. Whilst he was there, it became widely acknowledged that he and others would hack into people's phone messages (like celebrities) to get news/scoops for their articles. I'm assuming he did the same or similar to Seth here.
I'm no fan of Seth MacFarlane as a person, but he was trying to explain a respectful disagreement, and Piers couldn't grasp that. No wonder they kicked him out of Britain.
We kicked him out because (1) he hacked a dead teenage girl's cell phone, and (2) because in 1995 he was guilty of share-tipping in the tabloid newspaper he was editor of. The teenage girl was 13-year-old Milly Dowler, who was murdered.
Seth is hit-or-miss with me: I either think he's goddamn hilarious or just completely unfunny. That being said, I totally agree with you. There are politicians - people whose job it is to be diplomatic - who have not responded with such grace. Well done, Seth.
I appreciate how aware he is of situational dis Abel to say he still likes/respects someone who screamed at him and accept it was partially his fault without caving on his POV. A master class of grace from the least likely suspect
gotta admire MacFarlanes diplomacy. because Jon Stewart is a juggernaut and he really is a voice of rationalism and empathy, but I was surprised that he didn't stand in solidarity however I have to admit I'm not totally familiar with the strike and I know Jon Stewart in the past has been on the side of the Working Man so he might have had his reasons
Long ago, but there is a discussion in this thread about the difference between the recent strike and the strike under discussion, which involved writers only. Good to know more, and your instincts were right, I think.
Seth is such a diplomatic respectful dude. Got the same vibe off him when those radio presenters tried to get him to say shit about the creators of south park
fshfrghedht64 Joking aside: I don't actually dislike Seth. I just think he's a lazy sellout who could be making some brilliant TV if he just applied himself. I actually met an actor from Family Guy on the set of a movie once. At one point--I don't remember how this came up--I said "The Family Guy writers seem really smart, but are incredibly lazy." He confirmed all my suspicions when he told me the Family Guy writer's "room" is actually a Tiki Hut in the middle of a warehouse, with pot smoke constantly wafting out. It explains everything.
+LAVATORR Doing what you want to do everyday and making a living out of it is not selling out. I can see why you would call him lazy but that doesn't make him a sellout.
The Klespyrian he's a sellout because he's capable of much, much better work. In every episode of Family Guy there' at least one or two jokes that are really, really funny and make you think "God damn, this guy could be so much more if he just applied himself."
Piers morgan is a tabloid hack that got fired for making shit up about abuse of military prisoners. Why the fuck did anyone give him a podium to shout from in the US? You have far more interesting and talented people than this sack of shit.
I love that Piers made this huge attempt to try to make people pick sides between Seth MacFarlane and Jon Stewart (two people everyone knows have flaws, but the general opinion is that they are very good, passionate, honest people) and the end result is everyone agreeing that Piers is a piece of crap.
Seth's being a rational adult and Piers is screaming "kick him in the yarbles!" I think Piers just wanted to make this a public feud and get it as heated and nasty as possible to boost his own ratings. Which makes him an asshole.
So, this was 6 years ago now. I vaguely remember the writers strike, but does anyone have a link to the Family Guy (I'm presuming it was FG) that started this whole thing?
So... Neither Seth or Jon has ever told this story about a PHONE call, and Piers Morgan, ex-editor of a MURDOCH newspaper, the Daily Mail, knows about said phone call? Leveson anyone?
Team BombHead Ah, right you are. Shocking mistake on my part, but there we go. Though of course Morgan did edit the Mail, and we all know what kind of a rag it was and is, as well as what kind of stuff he got on with when behind that desk...
The writer's strike was Nov 2007 - Feb 2008, which was several years after the hacking scandal was uncovered. The hacking all took place prior to 2005 is my understanding.
To be honest, there is a certain amount of respect given when the man personally called and debated. If it were a lesser talent in Hollywood doing the bit, Jon might just send lawyers. lol
magazinekitchen No... it's personal opinion as well as delivery of criticism if you believe differently. Just because you personally believe something is right doesn't make it so, it's all subjective.
royalparadigm piers Morgan is a sick cunt he tapped the phone of a girl who was murdered "Millie Dowler". Before her body was found giving her parents hope she was still alive
check his twitter, he has evolved into something amazing. I hated him, now i enjoy watching his points on some stuff, he is still a prick though dont get me wrong.
"It came from a good place, but it's execution was so completely over the line it bordered on ruthlessness" sums up the whole of Seth McFarlane's work in a nut shell. He's a satirist, but he's just not a very smart one. He makes his point, or tries to, by appealing to the lowest common denominator. I like the guy, but at the same time I don't understand the level of importance and power he's achieved. HE seems smarter than the material he puts out. I like him as person better than every show or movie he's ever done combined.
moonlily1 At least when South Park goes over the line it is to make a statement about something that means something. Like confronting censorship about Muhammad
ZeroChaosInferno It doesn't always mean something. Much of the time it's twenty minutes of viciously humiliating easy targets and then including a ten second "You know I learned something today" as a get out of jail free card at the end. They are very good at justifying petty cruelty. They do harm.
I think both shows have done more towards dumbing down the culture and normalizing cruelty than either of them have actually worked on a subversive level to make people more tolerant, or critical thinkers.
aerialkate the reason these shows are ruthless is because they separate the people who are able to make fun of themselves and society from those who have gigantic egos.
aerialkate I don't think either show CAUSES bullying. Bullying has always existed, and in some ways kids are becoming more aware and sensitive than they used to be. The shows just reinforce the message that cruelty is funny and that childish idiocy is marketable, and is sometimes hurtful to the viewer. How does a girl who gets picked on for her appearance feel watching Meg Griffin constantly being treated like complete shit for no reason except she's chubby and wears glasses, while her stupid and morbidly obese brother is exempt from the same kind of teasing and rejection? Basically, it's parents mentally and emotionally abusing their daughters being played for laughs.
I like how he seen both sides. And knows where he went long, yet knows where the job is the job. He knew the right and wrong and agnolaged his, and the opposers down fall, or argument if you will. Pretty cool.
Interesting fact: Seth MacFarlane was scheduled to board the flight that was hijacked and flown into the North Tower on 9/11, but missed it by 10 minutes because of a hangover and an incorrect departure time given to him by his travel agent.
Didn't know that, had to check the validity, and it is true. Although he doesn't consider the experience impacting, saying "it hasn't really affected me... people have a lot of close calls; you're crossing the street and you almost get hit by a car..... this one just happened to be related to something massive"
***** That's cool and all, I don't have an opinion one way or another on the guy, I just thought it was an interesting fact, but as for "I have no way of proving if what you are saying is true," there's a section of his Wiki page devoted to that, whether you want to accept/doubt that as a source that's up to you.
Seth played this smart. He explained why he disagreed w/ Jon but didn't take Piers' bait and exacerbate the situation any further. Piers came off as such an ass-hat, clearly butt-hurt at all the times Jon skewered him and the other folks over at CNN on his show. He was so desperate to get his revenge through Seth, but Seth's clearly got a lot of respect for Jon and focused more on why the phone call happened as opposed to just the phone call itself. He probably even agrees w/ Jon about these guys. Good on you Seth.
Piers is a pussy...wanted for his involvement in a phone hacking scandal in 'bloody' ole England..that's why he is over adding to the liberal diatribe.
Brian Griffin's character in Family Guy really shows that Seth MacFarlane does have a sense of humor about himself. It's almost as if he wrote that character to mock his own pretentiousness.
No, he did that LATER, due to audience-complaints; before that, he really WAS that pretentious, and started token-writing to make the dog LOOK pretentious. Like Quagmire preaching about celibacy.
Very good point. Family Guy was great in the early years, then once Brian became the liberal voice in the final few years of the Bush administration, some episodes were unwatchable. It's rounded back the past couple years and has been much better, although part of me is surprised it's still on the air at all given how many times MacFarlane himself has said he wants to end it.
It both surprises and disturbs me that Americans(seemingly) don't know this - Piers Morgan has been possibly the most reviled person in Britain for the last 15-20 years. He is loathed by both the right AND the left(which is quite a feat considering), he is regularly used in jokes that require a particularly oily, treacherous character for the punchline and Britain's most august satirical magazine, Private Eye, prints his name as Piers Moron so consistently that earlier in this post I almost typed it myself by mistake. To the vast majority of Britons it is both baffling and dismaying that the man has made such a success of himself Stateside in spite of his crimes against good journalism, human decency and general not-being-a-cuntness.
But he has money and a TV show here in america which means people listen to him. If you actually looked up his "statistics" you would realize hes a blithering idiot but people here dont do that. Just hope that most people understand common sense.
I really know nothing at all about him except that he has a show on CNN that I don't watch and never plan to unless he does something exceptionally stupid, in which case the American media will devour him like rabid dogs cause that's just what they do!
Someone needs to do something about the way Twitter conducts themselves, especially with this suspension power they have. It's totally biased and unfair, and I am beginning to think more and more that it is a company that is backed by the GOP. I was suspended for 24 HOURS because I called Trump a "wanker". A wanker??? Oh, come on now. For 24 goddamn hours I was suspended for saying that, meanwhile you see Trump every fucking day saying worse shit than that about his enemies *and they let him get away with it!* Twitter needs to be confronted with this. I can't say anything about Trump, but he gets away with bloody murder just because he's president. Something doesn't smell right!
It is quite sad that Piers Morgan got all that flak for the gun control thing, and not for any of the gutter-journalist antics he committed before that. On gun control, he was more or less *in the right*, yet he got a hail-storm of abuse and threats of deportation. Here we see him trying to dig dirt out of a polite and mature McFarlane like the lowest form of pond scum, and in other cases we see Morgan soft-balling puff piece interviews with war criminals and traitors to democracy instead of doing his fucking job and demanding real answers. None of *that* drew flak! Morgan is and always has been a corporate shill, a joke, a Christian when it suits him to be, a smarmy holier than thou walking insult to true journalism.
Seth handled this interview like such a professional and seems (even more) like a gentleman. But I totally agree with Jeremy Clarkson's negative comments of Piers (eg in Top Gear), because Piers is terrible at interviews. He interrupts Seth all the time, just starts talking about something else completely. In the meantime, he cuts Seth off in the middle of sentences. As well as taking too much focus from his guest. The guest should always be the main subject. Not the host, who should be a good listener, ask well formulated questions (probably follows a script), and a host must come up with good follow up questions. Piers does none of that, just an exceptionally bad host. Piers is awful and I am so bloody happy to see that his show got cancelled! Win!
“Stand firmly behind your jokes!” “I stand firmly behind my point of view” That sums up for me why Piers’ take is wrong and Seth’s take is right. Whether or not Jon or Seth is to blame fully, Seth’s RESPONSE to Jon was WAYYYY better than what Piers wanted his response to be
If I was Seth I would have paused. Looked Piers dead in the eyes and said "I don't know what you're talking about, I never received such a call from Jon Stewart." I doubt Stewart would admit to it. So I would put Piers in a position where he would only be able to continue talking about it if he admitted phone hacking.
The whole point of why John Stewart was pissed at Seth is that Seth had enough integrity to call Stewart out. It is that integrity that likely would keep Seth from lying about the call. And Stewart should be ashamed at his hypocrisy.
@@magazinekitchenStewart had a different set of criteria and a different situation here, which was explained in a comment above. Worth looking at if you care to.
If anyone doesn't know, Jon Stewart said some shit about piers morgan (like "a british guy no one knows") when larry king was leaving CNN. I don't think Piers ever let it go. Piers is a lot better though than someone like Tucker C, who literally was radicalized more out of desperation for job security (due to jon stewart)
Dang. I clicked on here expecting to hear a line of crap from MacFarlane about Stewart. But I totally understand his point of view. He was calm, he was rational, and he didn't bring emotion into it. I respect both men and I'm glad to see that my respect is justified.
Although he denied knowledge of it, Piers Morgan was editor of the Daily Mirror in the UK when it made extensive use of phone-tapping. Maybe he acquired the necessary contacts within the US telecommunications system when he worked there.
"He can dish it out but he can't take it," said the man who got up and walked off a newscast because he didn't like the way his coworkers were talking about him.
I get the feeling that Jon Stewart makes Piers Morgan feel insecure and he loved the idea of getting Seth MacFarlane to expose him or get one over on him in some way. Seth obviously wasn't taking the bait.
Sounds like Seth has no problem with Jon... They just had a minor disagreement and played jokes on each other and it got blown way out of proportion. So what?
You're absolutely right - this was a minor difference of opinion that both parties (The Fine Gentlemen & Comedic Geniuses that they are) had no interest in pursuing, but that "Big Media" just had to sensationalize. Small wonder that CNN tagged & uploaded this clip....like a spoiled child screaming for attention - their sad desperation is palpable. "I think everyone should treat one another in a Christian manner. I will not, however, be responsible for the consequences."
***** I'm a bigger of Jon too but that doesnt make him right. Of, course, we don't know the whole story but it appears at this point insanely hipocritical and ego-driven to call up Seth. Seth even conceded that the joke itself was too far, but stood by his stand point.
If you had actually seen the skit, it was basically Seth calling the writers assholes and Jon who was a big time supporter of the writer strike. Seth's argument: Writers earn 100-200k a year and should be happy with that since that's much higher than the average person, they can still afford pricey cars and other junk, and everyone earns less than their boss. Jon's argument: They're part of multimillion dollar projects and their bosses earn tens of millions of dollars a year, and have the right to request more money since the projects couldn't exist without them. You can think what you want and I've tried to leave my views out of my description of it. That being said, Seth is jokingly pompous, and less genuine than Jon in my opinion. In the same way Colbert can't let the satire routine shut down, Seth can't let his hiding behind one-sided hyperbole routine shut down. So, I find them both annoying outside of their shows, but brilliant in them. Jon I just find brilliant virtually every time I see him. On a separate note though, I can't blame Seth on this show since it was forced out of him - Everyone has differing views, so why make a big deal out of it Piers? Oh right, because his program is like 80% of other programs like it, a drama whore.
What was the dispute between Seth and Jon about? Did it have something to do with The Writer's Strike? What was the 'ill-measured" joke on Family Guy about?
Jesus Christ... You ask a guy a question he starts to answer and you IMMEDIATELY interrupt him EVERY FUCKING TIME. How did this guy EVER have a talk show???
He's sneaky. I think he's trying to get Seth on edge so he will make an impulsive statement that he doesn't want to. He knows Seth isn't going say anything unless he goads him and he seems to have no 'journalistic' integrity. Results oriented.
