For my work as a psychogolist I worked a lot with sex workers in the Netherlands where it is legal. One thing I learned is that there is no such thing a typical sex worker, but a whole wide range. So I do feel at liberty to make some informed observations. One: the decriminalisation has not ruled out the abuse and explotation of emotional or economical vulnerable sex workers. So although I am fervently in favor of decriminalisation, this should NOT be viewed a solution to the problems of the industry. Two: just as there is no such a thing as a typical sex worker, there is no such thing as the typical client, who are always perceived as seedy men or nasty Wall Street bro-types (to use a phrase that an international audiance is gonna get). Perhaps that is the other taboo that needs to be broken?
Agreed! Painting all patrons of sex workers as seedy or abusive men completely ignores people who engage in sex work for every other reason, including people who are simply consensually paying for an intimate experience with fully managed expectations.
I think the Firefly universe has probably the most ideal scenario of legalized sex work while still acknowledging that people can still slip through the cracks in a "perfect" system. Do you have any published work? I'd be really interested in reading it
@@3katfoxIts so interesting that you brought up Firefly! You’re right, Inara did have a lot of agency and there was a general respect for her as a companion that is unheard of in modern society. This didn’t prevent people from using insults for her type of work, though, and there definitely were men who actively wanted to impede on her liberties and control her. It also didn’t mean all sex workers had her status (brothel episode). It reminds me of Renaissance Venetian courtesans. They had opportunities and freedoms that normal women could only dream of but at the end of the day, their lives were still reliant on men’s evaluations and use of them. They were educated, but it was so they could engage the men in conversation; they were pampered, but it was to draw the most successful man’s interest; they were protected, but it was to ensure the men wouldn’t lose a companion they were fond of. And at the end of it all, those men went home to largely lesser-or-un-educated, neglected wives and daughters. Even in the most palatable situation, women’s lives were controlled and measured by men. I forgot where I was going with this.
@@Ineverusemychannel I always thought of the wider culture and organization that was implied when it came to companions in Firefly. Healthcare (I work in america so an organization that has health coverage is a huge deal to Americans) Training and Education, Organizational Client vetting (the ball/dual episode), annual mandatory checkups to maintain the health of the companion and the client, "freelance" options, it was basically a workers union for sex workers I think that's why it's so believable in the show, I don't think there will ever be a perfect system that protects all of the vulnerable people out there. But organizing labor is probably the best place to start.
I gotta appreciate that Pretty Woman had Vivian call out and get pissy at Edward for treating her like she was nothing but a sex worker. Dude had zero business outing her business like that to anyone.
Not exactly. Feelings aside, the guy he told was a long time business associate, and she was there for the weekend, on business, with no expectation of confidenciality.
@@johnnytony593 it’s basic common courtesy to not put her business like that. It literally led to her getting sexually harassed by the prick. I don’t care if he knows the guy, she didn’t give her consent for that to be known.
@@starrsmith3810 any job has the risk of sexual harassment. It’s a bit ironic that the same people pushing for de-stigmatisation are the ones that want to keep their sex ‘work’ a secret..
Also, an important thing to remember is whenever there’s an economic crisis, Sex Workers are the first to be hit by it. In India, Sex Workers reported issues in transactions when Demonetisation was announced.
This is a very first world discussion. Sexual explotation, kidnapping of young girls and people trafficing of often teenagers for sex is a major issue in developing countries all around the world. Tricking or simply selling young women into sexual slavery goes on all the time, and no amount of "normalising" sex work is going to make that go away. There is a real danger that presenting a handful of "happy hookers" on screen will give an unbalanced view of what is really happening all over the world.
That's a weak argument. You know why alcohol bootleggers (who engaged in organized rime) disappeared? Because prohibition was abolished and made the sale of alcohol both safe and legal! If prostitution is legalized, you basically kneecap these human traffickers, as you give women the autonomy to decide whether they want to be in that line of work or not!
THANK YOU! That's why it's it's a really sensitive topic to speak on the legalization of sex work, when most sex workers in the world don't do it because they want to
@@binarystar300 Very naive perspective. Take a look at the wider global picture. There's a lot more going on out there and the picture is far more complex. An adult living in Las Vegas and taking up stripping as a carrer option is very different to the 13 year old servicing middle-aged foreigners on the beaches of Brazil to help feed the family. There is a big danger that positive media portrayals of sex-work in the first world will lead to normalizing of what goes on in the far away corners of the globe. People in less sophisicated societies take their cues for what is acceptiable/normal from what they see in the often 1st world produced media. This opens them up to abuse (I've seen it).
At some point of my life, I seriously considered doing sex work (plain prostitution), which is a legal profession here in Switzerland. In the end, after talking to various women in the industry, I decided against it, but one thing should be clear: Doing sex work, in what form whatsoever, is not the defining quality of a person. At least not more than being a banker, an engineer or a teacher. People, who do this work, are as varied as the whole of society.
The Take: as a sex worker, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. i’m so thrilled to see the shifts happening in culture and media surrounding marginalized communities, especially the ones of queer and sex worker. just thank you for seeing this, for seeing us, and for trying to spread the word about our humanity 🙌🏽
@@alexmartinez9097 i don’t really want to get into it with a stranger on the internet who probably has never met an actual sex worker, but showing our job in a realistic and human way is not “glamorizing” it. however the main question is, why does that bother you? why is it okay to glamorize some forms of labor but not others? have you ever even tried to question your biases and where they come from? wether you like it or not, this work will continue- the question is do we want to make it safer for people to do, or do we want to continue to make it a crime and keep it in the underground where the true “exploitation” happens. look at new zealand and see how successful they have been since decrim. ppl don’t even bother to look at things rationally it’s so lazy.
@@sinnsage As someone who sold sex, you and I are not a community, it is not a queer identity, and these are not realistic depictions and we are not on the same side. I do not support the New Zealand system as it has not been successful for people like me and I support the Nordic model and that's after 20 years of having this be the #1 issue I've cared about. Selling sex does not automatically make one able to examine the sex industry as a whole nor make one a representative of all those within the sex industry.
@Sinn Sage It's not okay to glamorize prostitution because it is highly physically and emotionally damaging to the individual. I actually agree with how New Zealand is handling prostitution in their country. But my argument isn't whether or not prostitution should be legalized (I'm fine with it being legal). My argument is that prostitution isn't something someone should aspire to be. That becoming a prostitute isn't healthy for the individual.
@@alexmartinez9097 This person did not glamorize sex work by saying thank you for seeing me, like wtf. What a weird response to someone showing gratitude that they are being treated like a human being. Kick rocks
They make some interesting points in the video, but pretending sex work is just like any other type of job is just dishonest. What they also fail to speak on is why/how these stigmas and tropes came to be in the first place.
I am sorry, but getting paid for your body being violated by people you don’t want to actually have sex with in ways you didn’t fully choose… It’s not work, it’s exploitation. Why do people think that mutual love can’t be bought, but think genuine CONSENT can be bought? I don’t get it.
I find it somehow very alarming how much this topic is generally trivialized. I'm from Germany, but I don't think it will look any better in other parts of the world. I volunteer in the area of women's rights and prostitution and sex work (by the way, I find this term very bad, because doesn't it imply that the employment office could just suggest this work to you or that catcalling is just a job offer). More than 98% do this work not voluntarily, the other two percent may offer kinky services, but the rest endure this work only with massive drug and alcohol consumption or psychological damage, mostly out of poverty (yes also poor female students for example). Human trafficking is also a huge problem. I'm sorry, but this is not a normal job but the exploitation of women in the worst way.
@@aprilchardy1 I agree that not everyone is a victim and some people like being a sex worker, but I also think the people who are coerced, harmed or trafficked into these positions should take precedence over those who just enjoy it as career. I'd rather every sex worker who enjoys their job find a new one, than a single person be raped/trafficked.
@@aprilchardy1they are victim of their own perception of that work that is romantized through media and hollywood, they got completely wrong idea of it and they are victims on the other way.
Agreed. I live in a developing country and the situaion is horrible. I love The Take but when they say "some" women "choose" sex work due to eventual bad life conditions, my God, they are horribly underestimating sex exploitation and inequality. It's not "often" a choice, as they say. It's often a last resource and, extremely often in my country, not even a last resource. There are so many children and young people (mostly girls and women. Mostly mixed race here, black or indigenous) kidnapped, given away or sold to be raped for years and years. They have everything taken away from them, and many times they are taken to developed countries to be abused by those who are not satisfied with legal, adult, white women who become sex workers by choice. So no, I don't think we should make less movies portraying how bad it is. Because the reality is bad for most of these women (and men, of course. But why is mostly (young and poor) women if it's a "career choice"? And if its a career, how do they grow in it?). We do need to portray them as people, with their own dreams and lives. But how can most of them follow their actual dreams and what kind of life do they actually have? Not a fun, free, empowering one.
seems like someone needs to take their savior mentality elsewhere and stop working w sex workers until you learn to see us as complex individuals - sincerely, a sex worker
Theres parts i agree with and parts that i think are missing from the conversation. 1. Is it a coincidence that people of color and lgbt people are way more likely to be in sex work. Typically exploited people. Is this a hint that it is exploitation. Is it often wealthy white men paying for and commodifying the bodies of others? 2. Sex work is way more common now as people can’t afford their homes with other jobs. Sex work became even more common during the pandemic, an economic downturn. This to me hints at it being less of a choice and more of a product of an unhealthy economy pushing people to do things they otherwise wouldn’t. Is this just late stage capitalism?
1.Of course it is not a coincidence. In USA poc get exploited more often. In Europe it’s people from Eastern Europe. Including my country, unfortunately. For example most of women who work in Germany. It is really sad and depressing. People can’t make decent money here at regular jobs. Often it’s not enough even to buy food
Exactly. Ngl, this Topic is truly THE Shame-of-beinga-Leftist for Me. The-Take is completly incapable of comprehending the Reality of S-Work being inherently problematic and a job that sure; one should not be beaten-up for; but that is not 'fine' in any way, shape or form. Its not 'positive' but The-Take cannot understand this, like soooo of my Fellow Leftist.
Idk if this is really normalization or another trope : the smart sex worker. Works for Lucia in White Lotus, works for Anna Taylor Joy in the Menu, could be applied to many other characters in your video. Though it's a positive trope indeed, it seems to work rather as a critics of the other characters than a character in it's own, like another sort of fantasy : young and incredibly beautiful white straight women who are indeed manipulating men and taking their money. I enjoyed them on screen, but were they really a fair depiction ? Also : sex traffic makes up for a large majority of sex work in my country. If we talk about sex work, these stories need to be told as well, and put up front.
Makes my Leftist-Heart ache that this Leftist Info-RU-vidr spreads misguided Mindsets like that we should glamorize the thing and make people join the Industry for Fun.
So, Im not a sex worker, and therefore my opinion here may not have a lot of weight, but Ill give it a go anyhow: I started pole dancing as a hobby about 4 years ago. There are about 1,004 reasons why I started and keep doing it, but the main overarching thing is that I love it. No, I dont wear a lot of clothes while doing it, but thats because I need grip for lots of moves. There are plenty of seductive, sensuous moves that are hard for me to embody, but thats because part of the reason I started pole was because I was sick of feeling ashamed of my sexuality, and pole helps me to work through and release some of those more toxic mindsets that I learned growing up in Christian culture. But I do these things FOR ME. Not for hetero male entertainment, nor indeed for any human on this planet, except for me, myself, and I. It makes me feel joyful, strong, sexy, and amazing, and Ive made so many friends in class. However, I am also a happily married woman, as well as a Christian. And these are 2 things that traditionally 'clash' against something as sensual as pole dancing, and pole dancing is of course so closely linked to sex work that for some, its indivisible. One of THE MOST infuriating things that I have had to deal with in my time as a poler is sh*tty presumptions and questions about that one aspect of my life, from men and women alike: 'But.... you're married!' 'And your husband is ok with that?' 'Are you a STRIPPER?!' 'I thought you were a Christian??' .... or the most infuriating of all (said to me only by men. Not ALL men, but only men nonetheless): 'Ohhh, well, I guess I should bring my bills with me next time I see you, hehe!' (Yeah, very f*cking funny... 🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽) Here's the thing: Im not offended because Im being compared to a sex worker. Im offended because I am reduced to this one thing. Like every other person on this planet, I am a vibrant, nuanced, complex human being who has love, trauma, opinions, dreams, fears and interests beyond any one aspect. Yet there are still people who make the connection that 'pole dancer= stripper=one dimensional whore'. I adore being a pole dancer. Im proud of it. But am more than that. And the assumption of 'what a pole dancer is' has made people judge me harshly, even if they know me. Again, perhaps this doesnt have much clout as I am not a sex worker and do pole dancing as a sport and hobby, but as someone who has been reduced to one aspect of their life, been judged unfairly for it, and has even felt harassed at times, I believe that treating sex workers with dignity and respect isnt only linked to their own personal rights. Its linked to wider human rights.
Sex workers should not be stigmatized or shamed, however, their customers should be. In most cases it's not a work someone chooses lightly, it's mostly done because someone is desperate. And the customers take advantage of it. The customers are the joke, they are the one's who should be looked down upon.
I'm surprised you didn't include Willa from Succession in this. The way her and her profession are treated is nuanced, and sometimes subtle, but you can see the restrained reaction play out on her face.
Basically we need to remember that sex workers are people with messy and complicated lives who are just navigating life and making a living like everyone else. I think we forget that sometimes.
@jax-princecottrell2460 I don't think they actually meant to generalize by saying that. I'm willing to bet they meant life itself can be and often is messy in one way or another and that fact is humanizing and people need to understand that SWers are human just like everyone else. That was how I understood it anyways. Could be wrong tho
Um... Why not mention the sex workers who use drugs to endure it, who are lured in to it as minors, who are basically raped (because if the sex only happens because of a money transaction, it is rape, it’s not about the woman actually wanting to have sex, so it is against her will). Of course, you shouldn’t blame women for having to sell their body, but you shouldn’t see it as “any work”. PLEASE listen to all of the other women who are being used and not only the small percentage who are choosing to do this because they enjoy it. It should never be legal to buy a woman’s body. You should look into the Nordic model, where the man buying sex are the criminals, while the women selling it are not. This allows women to seek help.
I’m all for having different and nuanced portrayals of sex workers but let’s not say that you are anti feminist if you don’t want women to be exploited. I support sex workers but I do not support sex work, similar to how I support those who work at Amazon but I do not support Amazon the company. Both are industries that exploit their workers, the only difference being the rates of PTSD and abuse that sex workers suffer. Turning your body into a commodity to be bought and sold has effects that go far past the typical capitalistic pitfalls.
Hustlers was still a male POV fantasy for the majority of the movie, it was just a domination fantasy instead of the usual submissive/tragic fantasy and I'm seriously shocked that anyone's considers it a good representation of strip work. The parts where the actual plot and character development happened are filmed like a chick flick (and overnarrated and kinda boring) but the "sexy" parts aren't filmed in a way that gives these women agency or dignity, it's filmed like we're audience members at the strip club. And one thing that I thought was executed poorly was the fact that they tried to portray the stripping world as a supportive place full of body positivity and racial neutrality especially in the early 2000s. Sorry but no, MEN run the strip clubs, and in a high rolling Manhattan strip club catering to financial bros, you're not gonna see much body positivity, you're gonna see weigh-ins, and way more f-ed up stuff like skin bleaching depending on where you are It also didn't address that despite POC women being the majority in strip clubs White strippers tend to make more money and be able to leave that profession more easily. I really wanted to like that movie, I really did. And it didn't even try to address organized crime and human trafficking. If they had shown this kind of stuff more than just in passing you could do a way better job of getting the audience on their side. But it didn't know what it wanted to be and it dropped the ball alot.
The-Take has Dumb-Takes so horrendous, i dont what to say. Of course, in Reality, Sexwork is not 'like any other work' and is degrading, inherently bad and not something that would at all exist in an Utopia - but the real vile thing is that they genuinly are right that people do the Job/s for Fun - though they dont realize they thwemselves are the Main-Reason. Their Lies. Their MISGUIDED Attempt to help that doesnt help.
SAAAAAAAAAMMME!! I tried, but it really didn't fit the bill as far as "most clubs" goes. There's differences and nuances to sex work in clubs that have yet to be shown 😮💨
@@loturzelrestaurant ooof. Sorry hun but your sex-shamey vibes aren't welcome here. Sex work IS real work. And just like any job there are people who enjoy it and people who do it because they HAVE to. The point is, just like everyone else, sex workers are entitled to safe working environments as well as equal protection under the law.
@@mburke6859 yeah, I *wish* strip clubs were the girl power utopia American media wants them to be, but until they're held to the same workplace safety standards as other jobs then they're no better than sweatshops
I find this a highly dangerous video. You are basically saying that legitimising prostitution would help to make the work safer. That is not true. I come from Germany. We legitimised prostitution in the early 2000s. Since then Germany is the largest market for human trafficking. Studies say that the vast majority of sex workers in Germany are forced to this, and they are treated brutally by the men who pay for sex. Women, who managed to escape that line of work, talk about traumatising experiences. The story of the woman who actually enjoys this kind of work and chooses do sell her body for sex just represents a tiny percentage. The best solution seems to come from Sweden, the so-called Nordic Model. This targets the men who buy people for sex and tries to help the women caught up in the system. This has led to a decline of human trafficking and also a decline of men trying to buy women for sex.
This 100%. I was working out how to say this but you say it so well. This video assumes that decriminalisation would automatically make things safe and remove all danger is very naive pov and shows a lack of awareness of how the industry, especially around the vulnerable, disabled, abused, underaged and trafficked, are targeted and exploited.
Yeah when you look into the research there's some pretty shocking numbers. 90% of women want to leave the industry and the rate of PTSD is extremely high. 70-90% were abused in some form as children with the average age of entering prostitution being 13.
💯 THANK YOU for this comment! I am disgusted by how “sex work” nowadays is being portrayed as “female empowerment”. Like, wtf?? Of course, It’s good to see things from the perspective of a woman trapped in the industry, that is very much needed. But I find it very hard to believe that the perspective would be a happy one. It is extremely rare and should not be seen as the norm. As a Swede, I also think our solution is the “best”. At least the best I think of now. It blames the creepy men and not the women being trapped in the sex industry. I am very sad to hear that Germany basically legalised buying women’s bodies.
If, as in somewhat more enlightened countries, the US displayed greater concern with the safety of all parties involved; crimes often associated with sex work would quickly disappear. And, whatever one's line of work; no one deserves to be harassed, ostracized, or dismissed as 'less than'.
@@juliavieira9398 I've never advocated, nor approved of putting sex workers in jail. Instead; I believe this particular field could benefit far more from regulation, than not.
As a former prostitute and pimp myself, I can tell you there is nothing glamorous about this industry, however, a normal interaction is never shown in media. I had regular clients I'd see 1-4 times a month, and even though I'm not gay, we had really good relationships, always had fun together, and everyone got what they wanted in the end. Same with the girls I "pimped" if you want to call it that. I was really teaching them the ropes and getting them good clients while screening and also being near for protection. That's something else not shown. When the Congress passed the law which removed Backpage and CL personals, all it did was make things extremely dangerous for consenting adults. I don't know of one case they prosecuted of children being trafficked through those sites. They'd be better off looking at their own state child protective services for such things. Yes the majority of girls were sexually abused as kids. All were drug addicts. If you made drugs legal, you'd eliminate most sex work, and if you made sex work legal, you'd eliminate so much assault, rape, and exploitation including human trafficking, which is just something they made up to make people sympathetic towards sex workers for the most part, but I'm all for it. Very few people are really trafficked, it's always these complex indentured servitude type situations which are very wrong, or Epstein stuff like keeping your passport from you after trapping you somewhere strange. My point is, if someone did that to a carpenter, no one would care, lured him somewhere for work and then refused to give him his stuff or pay until he did a bunch more work than expected. That's still human trafficking, but no one cares about that kind of slave labor. Look at Dubai or Qatar, built with slave labor while the world turns a blind eye for instagram pics.
It's also a "chicken or the egg" situation. Are people sex workers because they're inherently drawn to this type of work? Or are they people who can't get jobs because they can't function in "normal" society? Prisons are one of the major providers of mental health care in the US, despite...you know...being prisons (where people absolutely do not get better). It seems like a lot of people resort to sex work because they don't want to hurt other people (as opposed to armed robbery, drug trafficking, hitmen, etc.), but they don't have the resources to help get normal careers. I guess I'm asking if sex work is "Prostitution will turn you into a crack whore" or if sex work is "There's nothing inherently wrong with it. It's just vulnerable people don't have legal avenues for generating income." I'm of the opinion the latter is correct, but you see a lot of people claiming it's the former.
@@nekrataali why would you think it's just people who "can't" get other jobs? Perhaps sex work fits with their lifestyle and they don't WANT other jobs.
@@nekrataali Definitely the latter. Just impossible for people in certain situations to go online and apply for a minimum wage job that they have to get transportation to and from, and buy shoes and a uniform, and not get a paycheck for 2 weeks. It just isn't feasible in some spots, people need money right away. And you're right, the reason I started doing it as a straight male was because I didn't want to hurt anyone, but I needed the money.
@@NotYourMother11 Oh for sure people go into sex work because that's something their interested in doing. I'm talking about the OP and how coercion works in the industry. In a perfect world, sex workers would be sex workers because they want to. We don't live in that world yet, so we have to consider people who want to be in a different profession and why they can't be.
@@nekrataali "maybe they just want to do it :3" pisses me off so much bc the world we live in is already so backwards and cruel and most girls already have a fucked up relationship with their sexuality that most ordinary teens dont even know what a healthy sex life looks like, but we are to believe some of them just "choose" this line of work freely without being influenced in any way by the patriarchal rules of society or being economically disadvantaged, or having mental health issues (which is like, the overwhelming majority of sw but whatever right?? who cares if maybe those girl wouldnt do that if they could pay for therapy, ableist fucks). it's more than ridiculous. ill believe sex work is empowering and that people just choose to do it when itll be done 90% by men lmao these are the same people that say that the slaves in dubai "chose" to work there or that prisoners "chose" to commit crimes and therefor "consented" to having to donate their organs. if they dont like it "they should have known better" or they can just "get ouf". then they have the audacity to tell you that whatever you sell yourself with every other job anyway and still dont see the problem in what they're saying. the entire world being fucked up doesnt mean we should fuck it up even more and viewing relationships and sexuality as something transactional is one of the single most harmful things on the planet
Of course they should be treated with dignity like humans but I really doubt anyone can be truly happy doing sex work in the long run. Let’s not try to glamorize this job either cuz in the end it’s commodifying women’s bodies and it’s highly unsafe considering they could get raped by their clients. No child ever grows up dreaming to be a sex worker and nor should they.
Yeah, obviously it's dangerous (but then no job is completely free of risk), and decriminalization would *make it safer*. If a client assaulted a sex worker, the worker could report it to the police without fear of being arrested themselves. No child dreams of working 9-5 in an office cubicle either, but at least those workers are protected under the law.
@@lauramaue no, there would still be a much greater risk of rape and sex workers rarely report sexual assaults not bcz the system but bcz they just accept as "normal" for their profession. Very little professions are that risky. A ton of children dream of working 9-5 jobs LOL. If you're gonna compare that to sex work, idk what to tell you. Let's not kid ourselves in order to seem like woke feminists cuz sex work does the opposite for girls and women.
Your commentary is solely based on the western image of a modern sex worker, but you fail to realize that the majority of sex work (ie the majority of the world other than first world sex work) is incredibly exploitive. And yes, I get your commentary is based on tv and film, but the west’s modern view of sex work is more empowering than what the rest of the world experiences.
I think that's a great point. Another aspect they failed to mention is that even within consensual sex work women are often pushed and coerced beyond their limits, OnlyFans is a great example of this, the pressure to do something or lose subscribers (and profit) is very real. At the end of the day it's never empowering to dehumanize yourself and sell yourself, whether it's consensual and legal or otherwise.
Yeah, there have been new, more positive depictions of sex work, but just because there are more depictions in which this line of work is not a fully grimm experience (but something more nuanced) that doesn't mean that its the norm. I live in Latin America and most cases of sex work are underreported (its an illegal activity here), however the vast majority of stories that don't revolve around explotation or pimping, even though showing incredible resiliance and agency, are still profoundly painful and horrifying for those providing the services. Its great that people who've had more positive experiences can have a platform to explore them, but it should not be seen as the most common experience because sadly, it isn't.
Actually, it’s always economic reasons people go into sex work or any other job for that matter. Sex work is work. But it’s also recruiting young girls who are barely 18, takes advantage of poor women, and because we live in a patriarchy- possibly destroy any likelihood of changing professions. Name another job that can stop you from being employed elsewhere and is possibly violent. We should be free to choose! But don’t glamorize or brush over other realities.
I think if we got over our stigma of sex and what it is, we'd stop slut shaming sex workers. We have these puritan values which "other" sex workers and don't just look at it like any other type of job. A lot of the exploitation happens because of these blind spots created by our lack of normalizing around sex work. On top of that, we easily recognize the exploitation happening in the sex industry, but then are okay with that same type of exploitation everywhere else. "Sex work is work" is a phrase to help establish some consciousness and solidarity between workers. A sex worker risks their health just like an oil rigger risks their health. Yet, we stigmatize the sex worker as being "dirty," while ignoring things that should be stigmatized about working on an oil rig (like exposure to hazardous materials, unsafe practices, etc.).
@@nekrataali Someone working on an oil rig isn't selling themselves and actively dehumanizing themselves for profit tho. Also, working on an oil rig is a very difficult and necessary job worthy of respect.
Is this addressing sex work from western culture or globally- as in not just europe and america? Because there's a real difference culturally, and thats with women in those other cultures as well.
I remember when I was in college reading a set of stats on percentages of American wanting to legalize certain taboo things, and sex work had the fewest supporters. It's amazing how much cultural change can happen in about 15 years.
As someone who has worked as an escort I can give some insight on how it was for me. For some context I was 20 and full time student, I was also ethically Indian and I worked in Canada where it was decriminalized. I worked with an agency and person running it was a female and felt like friend guardian to me. I trusted her fully to take of me and she did. As to why did it mostly for money but also felt like it was worth my time. I enjoyed meeting these new people, building connections and having a lot of sex. In some ways I felt more respected by these men than the ones on tinder etc. however there would also be men who would look down on you make you feel like ur not normal for enjoying sex. I guess to them it was a turn on being with someone so sexually deviant. However I found that I had to be intoxicated in some way booze/ weed to be able to do it as you never what kind people you would meet and substances really helped me cope with the anxiety and put me in a better mood. Of course there were men I really enjoyed and I was excited to meet again and some I had to pretend to have fun. You never felt like you had a choice in that sense you had to enjoy everyone’s company because they are paying to be with you and I thought that was valid and for some they may see as non consensual but it wasn’t for me. The emotional baggage was lot for sure hiding with from family and friends never feeling like you can share a part of yourself. What made me stop was my parents who found out and they did not see what I was doing as something right. I still don’t regret what I did but I also don’t wanna disappoint those who love me. And yes I never felt like a victim or someone taking advantage of others
Thank you for sharing! But you shouldn't do or not do something just because your family think is not right. If I was to follow my parents example I would be drinking a lot. You do you girl
Were you always single at the time? Or otherwise what's it like to have a relation while doing sex work? Even if there was less stigma around it I must say I find the thought of my girlfriend or wife having sex with other men as their day job very difficult to accept and I don't think that's a rare sentiment.
Thank u for sharing! Not the point but I was so confused by “ethically” Indian for a second 😂 (ik you meant ethnically) also this has nothing to do w what you said but Indian isn’t an ethnicity, it’s a nationality that came into existence less than a century ago, we’ve just been forced into a monolith through the western gaze. Ethnicities found in india are Tamil, Punjabi, Gujrati, Malyali, Bengali, Ladakhi for example. for more context imagine a french or Italian person only identifying as European. I don’t mean this in a passive aggressive tone btw just tryna encourage more people to move away from the Indian homogeneity trope! :) I’m glad you didn’t have a bad/violent experience w your clients but the needing to be intoxicated to participate definitely should be explored more. Not saying in your case specifically just as a whole, it was an eyebrow raising statement to read (not in a scrutinizing you kind of way just overall female attraction type of way)
The fact you had to intoxicate yourself to do it, tells a lot And I don't mean forcing yourself as you clearly stated you didn't, and was clearly deciding to do it We use substances to turn off some aspects of our psyche, that is too difficult to manage Don't do stuff that you can't bare being in a clear state of mind It is hurting yourself
The problem is they are not exactly the same as any other workers. Exactly the prostitutes. Because they should not be under any structure, they should not have any boss - if they do, that is exploitation. It makes them very vulnerable for violence and it is at a core of this job. Also there is a problem with a place of work. It should not be neither their nor clients home for safety reasons. And the support from public places like hotels e.g. can be also problematic because of exploitation (they can for instance take some part of a woman's profit for letting her go there). So it is very hard to be oficial. Anyway, they should be protected and prostitution should not be punished. On the other hand, pimps should be punished hard for exploitation of women. Also you showed an example of onlyfans. Do you know the official statistics? Women barely make ANY profits there. Those who do are usually men, basically for making a new girl a new member. Actually Andrew Tate was exploiting women like that. So I think you should maybe take a closer look at the topic, because though ostracism is the worst, also shallow positivity can be toxic. This business gives most of its members PTSD for various of reasons.
hello, you are wrong about onlyfans. i have had one since 2019 and it helped me to pay off my car in 2 years instead of 5. it helped me buy a house. creators on onlyfans make 80%, which is the highest payout of any online adult platform. if you have any more questions i am a sex worker i’m happy to answer them (just so you don’t go spreading misinformation by accident) also of the hundreds of people i know in the industry and have known over the past 20 years, no one has ptsd from the sex work itself. again, please don’t speak for us, that’s really all we’re asking, as pointed out in this video.
Sex workers are the same as other workers. The degree of exploitation and our acceptance of that exploitation is the difference. No matter what you do, you're selling your health for someone else to profit. But because we have these puritan ideas around sex, sex work gets treated differently than being a firefighter or a roofer. This ironically makes sex work more dangerous because they have no where to go when they encounter problems at their job. You can't exactly take your pimp to court over stolen wages. I do agree, though, we need to eliminate pimps and johns. Sex work itself should be decriminalized.
No it is not like any other job and most jobs don’t compromise one’s health like sex work does. I’m not at risk of being beaten to death, of being raped, getting HIV due to unsavoury and unsafe work environments, of being trafficked when I go to my office job. No parent (that isn’t completely evil or insane) encourages their child to start a career in sex work. It most definitely is not ‘a job like any other’.
@@whitneyanders5945 The things you listed are things we had to actively fight against to eliminate them from the office. A lot rape, sexual harassment, pimping, and so on used to happen in offices. Bosses could do whatever they wanted to employees with zero repercussions. It took a lot of work from 2nd. Wave feminists to change that. But because sex is sex, sex work is regarded differently. And because of this stigma, sex workers end up marginalized. And because they are marginalized, they get exploited. No parent should encourage their child to start a career in the military, law enforcement, business administration, marketing, landlording, or national intelligence, but for some reason people give you disgusted looks if you tell them that.
@@nekrataali try to compare an office worker with 20 years of experience to a prostitute with 20 years of experience. It fully shows how different are those worlds.
i really loved this video and i wouldnt really change a thing, i wish the movie Showgirls was mentioned in general when it comes to conversations like this, it's very tongue in cheek and more about the dance/entertainment industry as a whole, and even though it is not considered a great film, watching it as a sex worker truly changed my view on work in general. the overacting and setting are all in jest and camp to the max but the themes from the movie suggest that there are publicly perceived differences between "trashy" sex workers and "classy" sex workers and that the latter isn't seen as "sex work" even though it all is and the differences are based on stigma. i have never been more touched by a movie that, if you really pay attention, was pretending to be a trashy peep show when in reality proved to be a poignant emotional portrayal, sometimes over the top and inaccurate, of what it's like to take off your clothes for money.
There was an interview with one, and what stood out for me about it was what she said the most challenging part of the job was. It wasn’t the sex or gross creeps. It was hearing peoples’ struggles on a regular basis. Widows, socially awkward people that can’t find a partner, someone whose partner just left them, etc.
I once heard a story about identical twins. One was a lawyer the other was a stripper. The stripper made more money. When the lawyer did the twin switch after her sister overbooked she had a hard time with the skills.
After working with exotic dancers I was made aware of a sense of empowerment over their audience that they need to help with motivation. These ladies need to form a union.
We have in many places! I work with SWer unions from all around the world - I’m talking every continent except maybe Antarctica. M I’m from the UK myself and we have one called United SWers, a branch of UVW. We also have the East London Stripper Collective, Bristol Sex Workers’ Collective…
I assume you haven't read the book "Five" that you mention, because one of the main points the author makes is that the women WEREN'T all prostitutes, and one of the most offensive aspects of the way the story was told- both at the time and more recently- is the assumption that all women in poor circumstances sold sex, when it reality there were several other options, like peddling cheap goods.
Thanks for this! I love that book, and the stereotyping of poor women is so ubiquitous, it’s awesome to see it challenged with thoroughly researched material. Mind boggling that it took more than a century for someone to bother doing that!
@@literaterose6731 It's a great book, it not only gives the murdered women true identity, but it tells you so much about the society they lived in. I thought it served as a great argument for a properly run welfare state- often people like these women were coping, then one family illness or injury, and they were in extreme poverty. And this was at a time when Britain was incredibly rich from global exploitation.
1. Really glad I already saw The Menu before watching this. 2. This is way too complicated a topic to be as simple a solution as you make it out to be.
The multitudes of trafficked women, coerced to prostitution by people who blackmail them and their families, would feel very empowered had they had the privilege of internet access to see your video. /s
very white and upper class, but the show that I think has treated sex workers with respect is the secret diary of a call girl. and it talks about the stigma of being a sex worker.
I honestly think porn ruined everything; our standards of good taste, the beauty of the human body, our sex drives, how we interact with others, specifically women, and many more. Then again, violence and exploitation of women existed long before porn, and if they do find fulfillment in that kind of work, who am I to complain.
If you ask me, I think it's all consequences of stigma surrounding sex. Both content makers and consumers think it should be something dirty and violent. Otherwise, why is it stigmatized in the first place?
@@NatBKyiv Sex work has been the scapegoat for most (if not all) society's problems such as infidelity, marriage and families falling apart, transmitting of STDs, illicit drug trafficking, corrupting the youth etc. But I think it's also a way for people to take jabs at marginalized groups of people, who make up a good part of the industry, and enforce misogynistic views that feed the stigma.
Also an argument “why criminalise it if people do it anyway” is weird for me. Criminalisation didn’t stop murders. People kill each other anyway. Should it be legal now?
@@NatBKyiv Okay, just so that we are clear here, bans have never worked. Whatever it is you're banning would just shift locations from a public place to a more discrete private place. We are in a Capitalistic corporate driven world filled with industries driven by exploitative tendencies, which get out of hand. Sex work is one of such Industries. When you try to criminalize it, it goes underground. Sex workers go and see clients secretly, many of whom would use the unstable power dynamics to further abuse them, because now it's illegal. You're literally making things worse. Unless you've established an utopian society, where women will be less sexually harassed and paid more for their work(I wish), poverty and other exploitative circumstances would always lead women back to the illegal sex work, because it pays better. So, here's the thing: You're compounding the problem with no apparent solution, it's not like you'd come up with big shot economic system which would magically end Misogynistic Cultures or something, if you're not doing that, then there's nothing that would come out from criminalizing sex work.
The-Take has Dumb-Takes so horrendous, i dont what to say. Of course, in Reality, Sexwork is not 'like any other work' and is degrading and they are MISGUIDED mixed with good Intentions. Makes my Leftist-heart ache that this uneducated Info-RU-vidr spreads misguided Mindsets like that we should glamorize the thing and make people join the Industry for Fun.
I really enjoyed the film "the sessions" with Helen hunt, based on the real story of a sex worker who specializes in helping people with disabilities learn to figure out how to participate and enjoy sex.
Hi I really like using your videos to add stuff to my "to watch" list. Might I suggest that you add the list of referenced movies and series in the description box below the video? :) thanks and keep up the good work !
@@loturzelrestaurant what do you mean, an issue to overcome ? like it's bad to get paid for your time and skill and we ought to MAKE people stop ? yeah, I agree. let's abolish work ! btw, you're responding under the wrong comment...
it feels like the sw trope was just exploitable by definition. because it had so much to do with desirability, it became a place for male filmmakers and writers to project hard their own desires and struggles. for female writers it became a metaphor or a cautionary tale, but also treads the line between fear and allure. the trope is stripped of its humanity and it says so much about how little consideration we have of the women who act as swers or the actual varied struggles they go through as human beings. the shift in representation is fundamental
also like usually the ones "who get rescued" have to be stereotypically perfect victims, that are actually "pure" underneath. if they deviate from that mold, then the message that gets through is that the viewer is allowed to wash their hands of them bc they "belong to the streets". the salvation trope is totally conditional and disgusting
it is really comforting to see the characters acquire agency on screen, as uncomfortable as it may be for the casual viewer. its important to get accustomed to it to truly understand this multifaceted realities, even if it conflicts with what you had previously thought
The character that Chloe Moretz played in the equalizer is a sex trafficking victim, not a sex worker, not even a "hooker". It's very dangerous to conflate the concept of sex trafficking victim and sex worker. sex work is work, but not everybody doing sex work is a sex worker. they could be coerced.
Ngl, this Topic is truly THE Shame-of-beinga-Leftist for Me. The-Take is completly incapable of comprehending the Reality of S-Work being inherently problematic and a job that sure; one should not be beaten-up for; but that is not 'fine' in any way, shape or form. Its not 'positive' but The-Take cannot understand this, like soooo of my Fellow Leftist. Its my deepest Sorrow that Leftists cannot comprehend sexwork wouldnt exist in an Utopia, with a big DUH behind said fact.
I'm of two minds of legalizing sex work: 1st- girl, you do you, get your money, your life your choices, girl power/2nd - if men get the notion that you can just pay for a woman sexually/esthetically thats where things get messy when it starts seeping into the rest of male/female(or any other type of coupling) relationships in society. But punishing sex workers as criminals aint the answer and will never be.
#2 men already have that notion. That's where the demand comes from in every aspect of society that sexualizes women. This would at least put the power in sex workers hands and having legal brothels cuts down on pimping and underage trafficking.
@@w.d.2154 But then it puts women not in that industry at risk. Again, has nothing to do with the sex workers, but everything to do with the attitudes of men who think women are just objects to be used or bought for a price, even without that being her current profession.
@@dietdrpepper15 are you a woman? I'm not asking to be rude. It's just that women already know this is how things are already so decrim or legalization doesn't really put us at risk to be more sexually objectified. Men do that and rape and assault "normal" women everyday
It's not adding to the problem. Men who believe in buying women have always been that way, the onus is on men, it's their responsibility to not be degenerate. Don't take accountability away from them for their attitudes regarding women and sex.
@@dietdrpepper15 it's exactly the problem that opponents of sex work want to ignore. This is already the dynamic of sexual relations in capitalism. Only that cishet people use the guise of love to hide the economic exchange of emotional and sexual labour in relationships. It does not just seep into relationships or happen to 'normal' woman who aren't sex workers. As if sexualised and gendered violence were some 'meh' occupational hazzard for sex workers. No, it's the other way around, sex work makes the gendered division of labour obvious. Sex workers get paid for things other women do for free - sexual and emotional labour in a highly violent capitalist society.
Society will never fully distigmatize sex-workers, because that's a powerful way to control these people. Once you get into sex-work, you probably won't be able to get normal job. Or family. Or at least you'll always be at risk that someone will share info about your past and it will ruin relationship with other people. It's a trap to keep people there, even if they want to leave
I'm one. And I have a regular full time job and a family. Sex workers can make their own decisions about what they want to do and share. So....no my luv. Thats not always the case 🥰
@@hurtingfeelingsdaily Oh here we go, the 'happy hooker'. Most women globally who are in the sex trade do not have regular full time jobs and a family. You're in an extreme minority and do not represent the wider group of disenfranchised women. Clap for yourself, but appreciate that you are rare and your position does not reflect the majority.
I hope The Take is reading all the comments from the ones who disagree with some main points. Many are traumatized from this "industry" and don't need to see justification and tolerance of it. Yes, some lucky people disagree, but most women have *not* been empowered by it.
Those who are "traumatized " by this industry as you said should not push their personal traumas on the oldest profession. Maybe sex workers wouldn't be so loud if they were not criminalized just for existing.
@@juliavieira9398 The ones traumatized are former members of the profession. Maybe don't project your great experiences on the profession and you will be able to see that most were abused and tortured. I used to work with former victims of it, including a former Playboy model. The industry is evil for most. There are a lucky few who aren't completely ruined by it.
Why are you trying to glamorize a line of "work" that is highly physically and emotionally damaging? Any person with a healthy amount of self-respect wouldn't allow themselves to be used by strangers in that way.
A couple of years ago, I started to rewatch episodes of the TV show "In the Heat of the Night" which often dealt with issues of sex work/prostitution (Their word not mine). Many of these stories were mostly unconnected B-Plots to pad the main story along but every now-and-then, sex work became the main theme of an episode. Of course, this show came out in the late 80's/early 90's and the main characters were mostly older white men, and they are police officers. One said that a couple of sex workers were "scum of the Earth and a [blight] on the human race." The stigma towards sex work has a lot to do with religion, misogyny, puritanic views on sex and Capitalism (or at least Capitalism in the sense traditional work/labor) and now since those systems are more under scrutiny than ever before, people are more confrontable with being OK with work and labor dealing with sex. Lastly, as a cis black man who spends much of his time alone, I definably helped a lot of women with their OnlyFans even before the pandemic. I love "The Take" as it opened my mind to different ideas and concepts. Thank you.
As much as I enjoy the channel, some of the connections are just so weak. "In American Psycho, the focus is more on Patrick Bateman..." - than on anyone else, literally, because he's the protagonist. If the focus were literally on anyone else, it would be a comepletely different story. In Pretty Woman, the original ending was much darker -- so props to the movie and its writers for changing that, right? I mean, problem solved? No, we need to gasp at how bad things could have been.
"Feminism is about autonomy". Never at 16 to 18 selling sex was I making a truly autonomous decision. I was groomed from the age of birth to view my body as an asset to gain capital. That it was the only way I could survive and that this was the destiny of femaleness. Until I was introduced to radical feminism, to "swerf" ideology, I was not able to make any sort of informed decision or to understand my own behaviours. And the derisive way you speak of "swerfs" aka women who were harmed in the sex industry and think young girls should at least have access to sex industry critical theory stigmatizes those hurt by the industry and harms our ability to speak openly about our experiences. Feminism can also be about caring for other women and the greater good. This includes all the women I have spoken to who have betrayal trauma because their husbands who cheated on them with escorts gave them hpv which then gave them cancer. The majority of males polled on escort websites self report as being married and are not disclosing their hobby to their wives whose consent to condomless sex thus becomes void. Why can we not even question a woman who says she is freely choosing to sleep with married men and often have "discreet" as part of their advertisement, who advocates for laws that harm marginalized women. Who goes on the radio and says she is essentially a marriage counselor and wives should thank her for keeping the secret that she's having sex, by her own free will, with their husband. Are these behaviours not incompatible with the values of Feminism?
We shouldn't fall into liberal expansionist framings of the sex industry. Everyone please go read "A Socialist, Feminist, and Transgender Analysis of Sex Work" by Esperanza Fonseca. It lays out what we need to understand most essentially to have a truly revolutionary approach to ending exploitation of people in the sex industry!
This was an okay video but it was a MASSIVE mistake to never even mention the Hulu series Harlots!! It's about sex workers in 18th century London & based on Harris's List of Covent Garden Ladies. It's so complex, with well-written characters-sex workers who come in all shapes, sizes, and colors, by the way-with layered plots & overarching moral questions. They're not all pitiful victims needing "saving" or brainless eye candy. They're smart & empowered while still not making it overly glamorous. Also, it's written and directed entirely by women. It also has both interracial and same-sex relationships on screen for various main characters, which you didn't mention in your video. Granted, it's not immediately recognizable but neither are half a dozen of the movies you mentioned. it is a total failure you didn't even bother looking into it-i know you didn't look into it because if you had, you're feature it for sure, that's how great it is! This surprised me because you usually do a lot of good research. Please look into Harlots for future videos!! ❤️
Shoutout and love for countries where selling is legal but buying is illegal. Opens up great opportunities for working with the police, for instance in the hilarious stories of sellers making sure to get paid in advance and then calling the police over, getting to keep the money but not having to deal with johns.
Objectify a body and violence grows up. Sex work is not a job, and bodies shouldn't be sold. If you want to earn money with sex, fine, no law should stop you, but to expect the STATE and the common sense to accept it as a "normal" job is just ridiculous. Men shouldn't be allowed to rent women.
@@sinnsage It's not about me not liking it. I have a good life, earn good money and have a job doing what I love, I couldn't care less about what other people do in their free time and what they call a "job". But tecnically, sex work is still not a job in the majority of countries in this world, it's not recognized as such by the states. And when we are talking about real jobs, taxes, rights and law, it is a matter of us all. And yes, as a women, I would not be happy if MY country recognizes the commercialization of our bodies as a JOB, that everyone of us would contribute and get public services from it. Personally and sincerely, I can only wish you the best of luck when your body starts to be less profitable for the men who seek for paid sex. There is nothing better than real independence and I could only wish women would love themselfs more, just like men do.
They mentioned a few in this video. Girls Wanted, for example. I thought that one did a good job of showing both the seasoned vets of the sex industry who feel they got a lot out of it and don't regret their decision, and the disillusionment of newbies who thought it would be more glamorous and were quickly introduced to the seedy, dangerous, and often humiliating side of the industry.
Thanks The Take for putting a more neutral/supportive outlook on SWers, their jobs and their depiction on screen. A lot of people are REALLY quick to judge without knowing the full story and we need to remind others that what you see on screen isn't everything 😮💨
Centering the experiences of a minority of individuals who experience sex work as work and it as a choice that one can be fine with is the result of years of sex industry lobbying, particularly by males and psychopathic females looking to gain monetarily from the legitimization of exploitation. If you know anything about "game" they use psychological tactics and manipulation on sex workers, Johns and legislators. They have appropriated the language of true marginalized individuals, many of whom are legitimately forced or groomed into the sex industry, in order to protect themselves from scrutiny. If you work at a brothel or escort agency, you have women who are motivated by money (they make 300,000 a year) dismissing their own peers negative experience of having sex that feels like violation and they use these same tactics to protect themselves and their pimps, to marginalize *you* or any girl who cries after a date. The fact this has become so mainstream is horrific. They shout you down as a swerf until they force you to out yourself as a former sex worker and then say shit like "well, you can be traumatized in any work place" and imply the issue is your weak mind. It's essentially darvo and victimblaming. Make no mistake SEX WORKER IS NOT A QUEER IDENTITY, WE ARE NOT A COMMUNITY, AND IT IS THOSE HURT BY IT WHO ARE MARGINALIZED. This idea that we are one is intended to mark anyone who messes with "the bag" as an outsider.
This normalization of sex work hurts people even years after they leave. I went to a doctor's appointment and she told me a story about her time in Vegas and was joking about escort advertisements. Meanwhile I'm there experiencing ptsd and I can't say to her "hey, I had a really bad experience in the sex industry, please be more mindful" to explain why I am not laughing along with her. She believed she was being progressive by treating escorting as no big deal.
I can't speak for others, but I ask myself "If we eliminated exploitation and hierarchy in society, would sex work still exist?" My answer is "Yeah, probably (but in really, really low amounts)." What you're describing is the material reality of things, however, and we are nowhere near abolishing things creating all the exploitation occurring in the sex industry. Before we can answer the question of "Would it still exist?" we have to answer far more complicated problems like "How can we abolish poverty, starvation, homelessness, etc.?" As an example, prostitution still existed in the Soviet Union, but involuntarily through human trafficking. As they increased literacy rates, reduced (and eventually eliminated) hunger, ended homelessness, and had low unemployment, voluntary sex work was almost unheard of. After the USSR collapsed, sex "work" (more like slavery) exploded practically overnight. A lot of children growing up in the 90s were forced into prostitution. Universities with almost equal gender ratios between men and women PhD candidates immediately became skewed towards men. It was a complete nightmare for the people forced into sex work. I don't know where to go with this other than I hate how abused people are in the sex industry and the stigma they face when they get out. I've never even been to a strip club for this reason (and I've sure as shit never paid someone for sex). I do think we can reduce a lot of problems by trying to de-stigmatize sex work. Ending our puritan ideas around chastity and relationships would go a long way.
@@nekrataali hey, there's no such thing as Soviet Union For over 30years Check your facts You use a manipulation technique, asking very general question, to change the topic Not cool But ok, let's answer your question 'what if we eliminate all exploration an hierarchy' This is what we do in our civilisation Slavery was a normal thing It's not anymore Noble born vs peasants, who were part of the lands Not existing anymore Labour without regulation, not anymore (unfortunately only in so called developed world) This is what we're aiming at To build more equal and fair society We're not very good at this Capitalist order and inequalities and poverty it creates are the main problems of our times And we should work towards a better world So if someone says, that some people were selling sex for money and they always will be, it's not going to change...I can say that people were killing each other since the beginning But for some reason we have laws to fight with that In most countries in Europe it's almost impossible to be killed on a street out of nowhere (it's more possible to be killed in one's own home by its own partner, if it's a heterosexual couple Patriarchy as it's best) And we work to give ppl choice of a good death on their own terms, if they wish to (this way fighting the religious exploitation) Selling sex in our reality is a major problem that should be solved Happy hookers are just a tiny part of the whole cake of violence and abuse, overrepresented currently, as it serves capitalism Sex sells Its a lot of money in porn, brothels etc Does it really serve the prostitues, the society, the humanism overall? Not in the shape that is proposed And it's very, very far from any puritanism idea We don't really have that shit in Europe And prostitution is legal in many forms in many countries And we see how it is We see who mainly do that (imigranta, non white, not educated) We see how damaging it is for them (we have friends and neighbours, their problems with substances, depressions, social interactions) We see the social cost of women being seen as commodity, supported by other women It's all very problematic
Suggestion for Channel: Could you please start including a list of the movies/shows referenced in the video description? This would be helpful for us viewers who would like to watch some of these but don't want to scroll back through the video to find the few seconds where the name appears in the corner or is briefly stated in the narrative. Thank you!
I think people should do what they want as long as they are not hurting anyone else. However I still find it weird that people are trying to normalize people selling their bodies, it's too weird for me. It should be legalized as it might help solve part of a problems it has. But you can have all kinds of professions that are considered weird etc., but s*x work seems like one thing that no one would actively join if they had other choices that paid well. It seems like that one of few things that only desperate and vulnerable people would choose to do. It's not like you would want to hear from your kid or little sibling: "I want to be a s*x worker when I grow up:)", if one of your parents would do it - it would make most people really really uncomfortable, maybe even traumatizing.
I'm surprised the movie "Good luck to you, Leo Grande" wasn't spoken about, as I imagined it was a good or more positive depiction of sex work, but as I have very little knowledge of it, it could be that it's actually still holding up many stereotypes. Would have been good to have included here.
Crazy how a video trying to humanize s3x work is getting bashed for not making the video into a fear-mongering bit. Yes, terrible happened to women in the industry but stop saying they're glorying by pointing out how strong women who so happen to be in the industry are strong.
@@mayamorena334 I wouldn't say this video is glamorizing it but they are making light of the fact that sex work comes with a lot of serious risks and complications on a physical, emotional, and social level that impact these women's lives (and most often not for the better). So really this video is more guilty of just being plain dishonest because it's trying so hard to blindly push forth a narrative of empowerment while ignoring a lot of what women in these industries go through. It's not empowering to sell yourself. The ironic thing is sex workers/prostitutes/strippers etc are actively dehumanizing themselves. None of this is mentioned in the video, they just want to pretend it's like any other type of work and well, it's not.
I loved how Anya Taylor Joy's character in The Menu ended up being the smartest one to survive! I wish sex work was legalized again throughout the U.S. During the days of the old West, Montana granted women the right to vote because they valued the societal contributions from the saloon girls so highly.
In Mainstream Hindi Cinema, one of the more interesting depictions was in ‘Talaash’ where Kareena Kapoor Khan played a Sex Worker and she also played one in ‘Chameli’. Both brilliant performances.
Patrick Bateman's status as an unreliable narrator makes it impossible to see the viewpoints of the sex workers. We the audience are not able to be sure if Patrick Bateman actually kills them. His methods of killing are so ridiculous that they are a clue that Bateman is out of reality. We don't just not see the sex worker's view, but we don't see the detective or anyone else's POV either. The movie gives more clues than the book about the sex workers hating Bateman.
Why has the sentiment of “let’s all treat prostitutes/overweight people/trans people equally and normally” shifted to the complete opposite …and we now GLORIFY those things? Yep no issue with being overweight - perfectly healthy! Yep selling your body for sex to johns - beautiful! Changing your biological sex, especially while young - awesome! Smh. The pendulum has completely swung. Overcorrections abound.
Really interesting you didn't include any clips from "Pose" considering how that show tells the story of many people who engage with sex work in a pretty positive, character-centered way.
Aka 'lying'? You mean... lying, right? Like... we live in a Reality where objectively, Sexwork is never positive has never been and will in all of time never be.
I usually am on board with videos from this channel but this one is a bit disappointing. This just paints the sex work industry as a little too girl boss. It is not “empowering” and good for women to do it- 75% report they want to get out…that is horrifying. I’m not against the movement at all to respect and humanize the PEOPLE doing it when they’ve historically been marginalized for it, but there needs to be some acknowledgment that sex work is THE cornerstone of patriarchy x capitalism and is anti feminist to the core.
