It's not like the U.S has a shortage of them. We built about 13,000. After the SALT treaties, we had to start disassembling most of them. (We cheated a bit by transferring a lot of them to the U.K. for use on their ballistic missile submarines, that's an amazing story in itself, caused some funny maintenance problems of the boats, the aft section was British built metric, the missile section was American made english measurements, then the front of the boat was British metric again, just imagine all the fun with plumbing, ducting, hatches, gauges, nuts, and bolts :) ). They also have to be re-manufactured about once every 20 years or so to maintain effectiveness. So the U.S. coming up with 100 to 200 for use by SGC is not a big stretch, especially once the Russians knew about the gate and we could account for the "disappearing" nukes.
@@waynecampeau4566 Interesting thought about the Russians. I think while humanity knows that nukes would mean total destruction on our world, we ever face an interplanetary threat, I agree, I think some nukes being used to fight that, and the international community being okay with it, makes 100% sense.
@@callumunga5253 Still leaves them with a 38 minutes window. Depending on whether or not the Asurans are able to tell when Atlantis' Stargate will lose it's connection or not it might be possible for Atlantis to permanently lock out the satellite's Stargate. All they will have to do is redial their gate sometime during the 38 minutes. If however the Asurans are able to redial their satellite's Stargate before Atlantis is able to renew their connection Atlantis will still have up to 38 minutes. The satellite has an internal power source, but its primary power source is the energy beam from Asura. This means that Apollo might be able to do some serious damage to the satellite or maybe outright destroy it.
@@brianransom16 yes my thought too, flunk it into hypespace, even just for seconds it would end who knows where or best case at the planets core or its sun... Even if it has hyperdrive, it would loose its connection and Atlantis coult dial out.
There are two problems with this. First you don't know the adress. And second even if you do the gate still orbits Atlantis. You can't dial something that is basically next door
I love the uncut shot from launch to impact. That one shot is incredibly impressive as far as solid render time and scope. Normally in both film and TV a CG shot like that would have cuts or changes in angles that are literally switches from one camera to another but this is a single take render with the camera moving through the space around the nuke. It is to this day one of the most impressive CG animation shots made for a TV show ever. Normally a cut shot is somewhere in the length of 5-7 seconds before a new shot is introduced usually from a different angle. The only company that can do a shot like this usually is Disney or rather Lucasfilm and Industrial Light and Magic because they have the computer power for real time realistic renders where companies like those who work on productions like this show are limited both in budget and time. So for this shot to exist on a tv show is a testament to the outstanding work and creativity of the VFX team that did it. Amazing!
@@Outworlder You don't need the smoke to do that. Think about the last 3D game you played … all the stuff in the level, you think we display that on screen? Some 25 years ago, we cheated since most of those games were always indoors, even if it didn't look like it. "Cave crawlers". Fixed geometry in games back then (games like Tomb Raider 1/2, Quake 1/2/3, etc.) was divided into tree structures. Two ways we did it: BSP engines and portal engines. They'd tell us what to draw based on where you (player) were and whether there was even a possibility that you (a viewport floating in camera space) could possibly see something or not. But even back then, that was done to make sure the computer could keep up with rendering the game real-time at a high framerate. ("High" for the day, mind you…) A lot of that "culling" was about making sure we were limiting how many things we were trying to process at once. Once you handed those off the the 3D renderer, it had very efficient algorithms for throwing away geometry that was not going to be visible. Obviously, someone's gotta write the algorithms to do that, and a few short years before the games I've mentioned (and in the ones I mentioned that could be played without 3D video cards) we had to have all those sorting and culling algorithms in our games in multiple places to throw out more and more objects and geometry you just couldn't see on screen. All that to say, the moment the ship was not visible in that VFX shot (which indeed was and is VERY IMPRESSIVE for TV), it was not even being considered by the renderer. As far as the draw code was concerned, just about as soon as it was off-screen, it "ceased to exist". I still wonder how many weeks (months?) it took them to render that shot on a TV budget.
@@bigben8502 So the author of the post and wrote that this is graphics ... Only very long graphics with rendering, which only large film companies can afford, even in our time, and here the series is more than 10 years old and not with a big budget
Weir (ironically) was the most competent military thinker in that episode -she rightfully pointed out how disastrous an ineffectual first/preemptive strike could be.
First strikes need to decisively damage your enemy or prevent decisive damage against you...ideally both. It needs a clear achievable goal. The replicators were effectively immortal and I doubt they lost anything irreplaceable in that attack. Thus the only thing to gain for Earth was time but to do so they had to risk provoking retaliatory attacks. The problem is how much time would they buy for themselves and would it be enough to finish the PWARW? One of the characteristic abilities of replicators is incredibility fast construction. What if rather than building their forces to a level they believed they needed to win strategically -they attacked with just enough ships/weapons for a 'tactical' win? We know they directed their attack at Atlantis (an irreplaceable asset) but what if they decided that they wanted to reduce the chance of their shipyards getting attacked again and targeted Earth with a punitive strike instead. Earth isn't even better defended than Atlantis and what the replicators might consider a small or distracting attack could have ended us. I mean how would Earth have stopped something as simple as a ZPM powered missile that would hits just after coming out of hyperspace? or if they messed with the Sun? The cherry on top would be that they lost the element of surprise that they would probably have need to use the PWARW. Actually I have no idea why the replicators couldn't just attack Earth through a modded stargate -they have ZPMs and presumably all the knowledge the lanteans had on stargates.
KR P it's difficult to say if that was the right call or not because those ships were being built to invade either atlantis or earth they would have had to fight those ships sooner or later.
Think the reason is they didnt want to annoy the real ancients.. they already know they ascended, so pissing off the actual race that ascended (what they were trying to achieve in Pegasus galaxy was going to be a bad idea. They possibly couldnt have any idea where Earth is (Ancients proly hid that and we know of our relation to the other universe because of the thing they found in Milky Way) Or just didnt consider it a threat and wanted to get rid of Atlantis as it hurt they forces in an angry response. Always bothered me tho..why they didnt make an alliance vs the wraith ? Give access to Atlantis, they get all data, leave a copy of theirs to help humans make effective weapons like the system killing energy thing and then just leave for a planet noone would care about and make cities there ?
@@StalkeraBg well these were certainly not the ancients they had darker intentions and not to mention they hated humans the very defendants of the ancients
I don't think Weir was any sort of military genius; Shepherd and Teyla were both FAR superior to her in tactics and strategy. Weir was objecting to the preemptive strike because she's a student of history - and she knew first strikes rarely did what they were intended to do. She decided what she did, because it was the best of a choice of bad options; you don't need to be military to understand that.
At the time this episode first aired, I remember thinking how stupid they were to bomb the Replicator planet. It was basically a society of Ancients, the most advanced species in the universe. Not one you want pissed at you. Frankly, the humans were lucky they didn't send 100,000 drones through the satellite gate instead. Those things would have shredded Atlantis' shields in no time.
Shredded the shields? The drones would have gone THRU the shields. The Lanteans designed their shields to allow their tech thru (so they could move ships without lowering shields and fire drones without the shield destroying them).
David Kelly i think they had somekind of switch for that, after all during the war the wraith captured lantean technology and there was no failsafe exept the dna scanners from stoping the wraith to use lantean tech. I guess they would have a easy way of making the shield impassabke gor everything in seconds. The tauri just havent figured out how yet
Drones wouldn't do much anyways. The only weakness the Atlantis shield has is it's power source, as long as you can pump energy into it it stays active. A sustained beam weapon will put more strain on the shield then thousands of drone impacts would. Putting this into context, the original ZPM they brought from earth was already somewhat depleted, and the wraith bombardment would have taken days to deplete. The fresh ZPM the replicators brought when they tried to seize Atlantis would have been depleted in 29 hours. Plus without the beam the replicator gate's shield would have been weak and they could just destroy the gate and without a signal the drones would become inert and only be added to Atlantis' arsenal.
The Ancients weren't the most advanced in the universe, that was the Asgard. The Ancients evolved over hundreds of millions of years where the Asgard did it in 100,000. The Asgard ships, shields, and weapons were far superior to anything the ancients had.
Гипердвигатели асгарда более совершенные, нежели у лантийцев. Щиты последних модификаций выдерживали десятки попаданий лучевых орудий Орай. Так что в плане вооружений Асгарды превзошли Лантийцев. Щиты Лантийцев более мощные из-за модулятора нулевой точки, но я уверен, если в корабль с щитами асгардов подсоединить этот модулятор, то эти щиты будут невероятно продвинутые.
Colonel Ellis did have the consideration of time (Unlike basically any other fictitious character ever). Assuming the animation we're shown is time accurate to a certain degree, they would have only had maybe 45 seconds to intercept. Given the ships were being built out in the open far from any noteworthy structure, not to mention the Asurans at the time deemed their surface perfectly safe, it would be rather difficult to get to the chair and actually get drones all the way over there before the Horizon hit, to say nothing of the decoys in the package. Truly, my question is why not beam the warheads in and remove the small chance they all are intercepted.
The replicators don't need control chairs. They are machines and their defences are controlled directly by them. Also keep in mind the Asurans are cocky little Alteran simulators, they probably didn't think Earth even knew about the ship yards, or probably didn't care. The replicators are a VERY patient race.
The Asuran satellite weapon was both a very ingenious weapon and one of the most devastating ever seen, plus by firing a sustained beam it took advantage of the weakness in most SG shields to the focused piercing impact of a beam as opposed to the relatively blunt and concussive impact of bolts. Atlantis only survived because Ancient shields are incredibly advanced and strong, had that beam stayed focused on the Apollo it would have certainly destroyed her in short order.
Ingenious to the point of if someone had dialed out of Atlantis' gate or this one using a remote DHD before the replicators dialed in, the whole plan would have not worked.
Yea that would have been amazing, especially now that they have all the asgard technology they could easily create them if they had the ancient designs.
2:09 Such a cool weapon. Also, did anyone notice the gate has only EIGHT chevrons? Makes me think that the replicators actually built that gate themselves, sense they'd have no use for the Destiny address.
Well, a lot of gates (most of them spacegates) only had eight chevrons. Of course, there are many fan theories why, but it is believed, that this has been just an SFX error and has nothing to do with the story
Stargate Universe probably wasn't fleshed out in pre-production yet when the first spacegate was introduced in Stargate Atlantis, so I doubt they would have known enough to put an easter egg in regarding the number of chevrons. More likely that it was an error on the part of the person who created the 3d asset for the show. It just so happens to have a good in-universe continuity-based explanation.
For those wondering. The Laser was simultaneously projecting a weapon and powering both the gate and it's shield. The beam had a near limitless supply of energy as it was being powered by ZPM's aswell. This is why they had to move Atlantis because they couldn't destroy the beam gate because they didn't have the firepower to penetrate it's shield.
The part I don't understand is how the Ausurans, who had all the technology of the ancients as well as superfast minds, could neither detect Apollo nor intercept the ship or bomb.
At the very least they should have seen the Apollo from a long way away. We know the Asurans have the same technology as Atlantis and they can detect enemy ships in hyperspace from light years away.
The long range sensors have never been able to pick up Asgard drive signatures (Atlantis also didn't pick up on the Vanir untill they were right on top of them, wherever Asgard drives mask themselves actively or the sensors are just simply not calibrated to search for them I don't know). As for the slow reaction speed we see something similar during the battle of asuras where the alliance was able to take out multiple aurora classes before the asurans raised shields or even fired back. Personally I think this stems from their human personality leading to indecisiveness and a sort of shellshock. After all the idea that somebody would even attack them is absolutely ludicrous and they also don't have to fear death that much as long as enough of them stay alive they can just transfer their consciousness into a new group of nanites so they probably also saw no reason to act hasty at all
The long range sensors have never been able to pick up Asgard drive signatures (Atlantis also didn't pick up on the Vanir untill they were right on top of them, wherever Asgard drives mask themselves actively or the sensors are just simply not calibrated to search for them I don't know). As for the slow reaction speed we see something similar during the battle of asuras where the alliance was able to take out multiple aurora classes before the asurans raised shields or even fired back. Personally I think this stems from their human personality leading to indecisiveness and a sort of shellshock. After all the idea that somebody would even attack them is absolutely ludicrous and they also don't have to fear death that much as long as enough of them stay alive they can just transfer their consciousness into a new group of nanites so they probably also saw no reason to act hasty at all
If you will ever try to attack an enemy, make sure: 1. no one detects your presence at their planet, 2. also make sure there will be nothing left for them to find out who did that, 3. if you can´t for some reason do it, then don´t. And if they still send you a "gift", don´t just look at it like "what is that?", but destroy it immediately, or activate the gate, so they can´t use it.
??? The mission was a complete success? They weren't worried about Atlantis. The guys who authorized this worried about that fleet coming to earth. No fleet ever got to earth --> total success of mission parameters.
I think I know which SG1 episode you're referring to. Do keep in mind that even though that satellite weapon was designed by the Ori, it still had to be build by the people of a world that was about as technologically advanced as mid-20th century Earth.
@@RudyBleeker and it's also important to keep in mind that the Ori were the religious fanatics part of Ancient society. They were nowhere near the technological level of their Ancient brethren. The only reason the Lanteans had to flee their home galaxy was because they were simply heavily outnumbered despite their technological advantage.
Also they probably gave them a weapon that is like very powerful but not *too powerful* in case they have a change of heart for example...aaand that they were built using limited technology.
@@Salted_Fysh "and it's also important to keep in mind that the Ori were the religious fanatics part of Ancient society." You pulled that out of your ass. The only difference between the Ori and the other Ancients was that the Ori didn't share the no-interference philosophy. They were the same people with the same technology and knowledge.
@@Kalenz1234 that is incorrect. The split between Ori and Ancients happened pre-Ascension. With a rising level of religious fanaticism, the Ori eventually tried to wipe out the science-focused Ancients. Because the Ancients did not believe in war, they left their home galaxy and settled in the Milky Way. Later on the Ori then released a plague in the Milky Way that lead to most Ancients being wiped out and the rest either ascending or fleeing for Pegasus in Atlantis where they ultimately met their end. The ascended ancients were strong enough to shield the Milky Way from the Ori though despite the Ori drawing a lot of power from their believers (implying the Ancients were more powerful) so that the Ori had to exploit the non-interference policy by way of the Orici to try and gain even more power/a way to destroy the Ancients. And yes, post-ascension non-interference is definitely the factor differentiating Ori and Ancients. But prior to that the split is simply between a pacifist science-focused faction and a fanatically religious faction. It goes without saying that the science focused faction is going to make better advancements in technology.
For those of you who don't know, the backstory to this is: The Replicators were building ships (possibly to invade Atlantis). This obviously was a threat, and thus the nuclear attack on the Replicators.
Is it just me or did the various _Stargate_ series each express an anti-robot/android/AI sentiment? With the exception of Daniel Jackson, I can't remember *anyone* pushing back against the "It's just a machine." argument.
What about the android clones Harlan made of SG-1? The reaction got beyond "It's just a machine" in "Double Jeopordy" if not the first encounter in "Tin Man".
It really isn't.. It is widely known as humanity's most feared weapon.. This is a series about intergalactic warfare, what weapons would be more appropriate?
One of the most terrifying weapons I've ever seen. Probably the worst part is that you could mass-produce the satellites, thus having a super-weapon that can hit multiple planets. Your only limitation is how many super lasers you have built and how many Stargates you have. All you need is at least one Stargate for each laser and each satellite. You need at least two to get it working. Not a problem for replicators.
You only need one laser and source gate. Remember it IS possible to have one gate dial multiple to all gates in a network. Not only that but energy based weapons can fire perfectly fine through a multi-dialed gate, it's how the replicators in the Milky Way were defeated.
Good god! I never even considered combining this beam weapon with the multi-gate dial. That's terrifying! Obviously you wouldn't be able to aim for shit, but if each gate is even remotely close to anything important then it's just dead. Imagine this thing coming through the sgc gate. Remember people; always point your stargates away from any critical operation centres/populated areas. And of course, in the meantime, the gates are entirely out of commission until the beams stops, which might be never, so long as the energy can be maintained. Lot of energy though.
When you multidial the gates the matter get's shared isn't it? So basicly the same beam would be a tiny flashlight in this case. However seen as how much ZPM they had, I'm pretty sure they could've pulled it off.
While that might be true, the energy wave the Dakara weapon uses was sent to EVERY stargate in the milkyway and still had enough energy to clear the surface of every planet it was sent too. Now that is a pulse weapon, this one is sustained. Enjoy your nightmare fuel.
Not sure where your logic is going there...the Dakara weapon is a short pulse (did they say anything about how long the weapon needed to build up power before firing?) on a narrow band (only affects Replicators, not anything else...and it's possible it was a backdoor shutdown signal rather than an actual 'weapon' as such, given how they were able to defeat it later), rather like a camera flash. A sustained beam is a different thing. No more nightmare fuel here than there already is....and the humans never did think about hyperspace-capable missles--no need to deliver the Horizon if it can deliver itself.. :-)
We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge. In fealty to the God-Emperor, our undying Lord, and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exterminatus upon the Imperial world of Asuras. I hereby sign the death warrant of an world and consign a million souls to oblivion. May Imperial Justice account in all balance. The Emperor Protects.
One problem I had with the Horizon was that given the insane yields it delivers, and the distinct possibility of encountering heavy shields, why even bother with decoys. Go max yield.
"Hey, the ancients with much more firepower than we had couldn't exterminate the Asurans, so we'll surely be able to do the job with a bunch of gussied up nuclear bombs! We are SMRT!"
This kinda reminds me of when the Japanese Empire attacked Pearl Harbor shipyards in an attempt to neutralize the enemy fleet, but then the US retaliated back hard. The replicators have all the knowledge of the Ancients(except for maybe some key things) meaning that they know some pretty scary stuff. The only thing the HORIZON did was piss them off.
That is a great analogy, only one flaw though, that pearl harbour bombing was planned for that day because the entire American fleet was meant to be docked... Only reason it wasnt was because a hurricane blew in and delayed most of the fleet...what I'm saying is the thinking behind this scene is 'take out the whole fleet and they can't do anything'
Someone remind me-- I know the Asuran (the Replicators under another name) Stargate weapon could fire continuously (the power of the beam passing through the Stargate being utilized to power the gate itself so it didn't shut off after being on for only so long, thus cutting the beam from its origin point-- which I believe was Asuras itself). Was that also why the Apollo couldn't manage to destroy it, because its shielding ALSO drew power from said beam, enough power that its shield was impenetrable to normal weapons? (I DO remember that the only way for Atlantis to survive the weapon's attack was to pick up sticks and get the hell away from it where it couldn't follow.)
there are a select few things that can prevent the gates from shutting down after the 38 minute interval black holes, and dumping a CRAP ton of energy through the gate being two ways to bypass the gates time limit this satellite weapon happens to, most likely by design, dump enough energy into the gate to prevent it from shutting down. all the Asurans had to do was keep the weapon powered on their end and the gate, and by extension the satellite, would remain fully operational
I always wondered why they didn't quick grab a couple of other space gates and set up a "Portal" type situation where they put an open gate in front of it that connected to another gate aimed AT it. Basically reroute the beam on to itself.
That would be impossible since the gates would be in such close proximity they would share the same address and therefore wouldnt be able to dial in or out. When Atlantis got attacked by the Asuran Satelite Weapon, they couldnt dial out because the Satelite's gate was already open and too close to Atlantis' gate.
The idea of the stargate as a remote weapon platform like this was brilliant. Simultaneously simplify your own supply line/logistics and deny a planetary stargate to your enemy. Would work even if you didn't have a crazy beam weapon, you can throw missiles through it too.
It is one of the smallest ships in the whole series. I think it's safe to say that it's acutually the smallest capital ship used in Stargate series. Prometheus was even smaller though.
Neko_ValentinE_Butterfly ha'taks are (by a little margin) larger than the BC-304, the capital ships of the blue aliens from SGU are smaller than the Daedalus (the Ursini ships are likely the same size of the Daedalus), the BC-304 is the most effective capital ship of the whole series, at all
Yeah it's tiny compared to mostly everything.. but still it's a human warship! We finally have warships. Yay. Also, when an Asgard ship came I couldn't found the human warship it's so tiny..
How large can you build when you are avoiding the suspicion from Russia, China and EU at the same time? Besides, even with cooperation between all the superpowers on Earth, the size of Daedelus would still be more or less the limit of what they can afford. If building aircraft carriers requires trillions of dollars, what more can we say about building a starship.
I liked this story line but I always wondered when Earth was gonna realize that missiles don't work on shields and they should make them the secondary weapons in favour of more advanced ones I remember watching them use them time and again and thinking they didn't work last time why do you think that will have changed?
They finally did that when the Asgard gave them all their tech including new beam weapons. After that, the rest of weapons like the rail guns and missiles became secondary weaponry and Earth/Tau'ri became a galactic superpower.
this was the mark nine, a gatebuster im pretty sure it would destroy every ship in the stargate universe, but its energy cant be focused on the shield, it would get distracted
They were just lucky the Replicators didn't pull a "Carter". What would have happened to that planet if they dropped a gate into a sun like Carter did and had the stellar mater come out on or even near the Atlantic planet? At the very LEAST it would become uninhabitable within a few minutes, more likely completely destroyed, especial if they used a dwarf star as the source. They could also do the same trick with one orbiting near a black hole.
@The high ground I am not sure what version of stargate Atlantis you are referring too. If you are referring to an illegal version on RU-vid or such they do that so they can get past the robots that detect that stuff. Also DVD's and Blurays are obsolete. They will eventually stop making them and supporting them.
One thing I do not understand. In the SG1 episode Chain Reaction an enhanced Naquadah bomb was tested and turned an entire planet into a ball of superheated plasma. So, this Horizon Bomb seems rather... Weak in comparison. For a threat like the Replicators wouldn't you want to turn their planet into a ball of plasma to make sure they do not spread? I mean, given what it took to kill the block versions after all.
Naquadah being present in the planet in question was key there. It was an old formerly occupied Goa'uld world, so there would have been loads of naquadah there. Little to none of the element on the Asuran world, they would have been after stuff like Neutronium, if I recall from SG-1 episodes.
I always wondered why they didn't try hitting the satellite with drones. Besides the obvious reasons of plot contrivance I don't remember it being mentioned in show why they couldn't/ wouldn't use the drones to take out the satellite and it's shield.
It would have diverted power from Atlantis shield and considering the ungodly amount of power dumped into such a small shield it wouldn't have done anything anyway
@@victorselve8349 I always wondered wjhether the upgraded Odyssey and Deadulus with the Asgard weaponry would have had the firepower to take out the satellite.
@@ianhirst1148 I doubt it, sure Asgard beams have proven brutally effective against ancient shields easily making up for massive descrapancies in provided power between the beam weapons and the ZPM powered ancient ships but the satellite has probably dozens of ZPMs behind it. The only ship I could possibly see accomplish this is a Super hive given that one of those was able to burn out emitters on the city shield.
the volume on most of these SG Atlantis clips is extremely low, barely audible even at top volume. When I change to some other clip if I forget to turn it down,, I am blasted!
Here’s a question: how did they dial in? The Asurans should have connected to the Atlantis gate (seeing as it was still the original Atlantis planet and the gate would supersede another which came nearby), and since it’s an eight-chevron space gate and not a nine-chevron land gate: it doesn’t have a serial address to dial that gate specifically regardless of position like destiny had.
Actually a similar technique was used for midway station the gate priority is software based programing can be used to overwrite the standard OS of the gate and the replicators are skilled programmers.
Their only chance to have destroyed it would have been to have fired on it before the gate activated and powered up the shield. Assuming the shield wasn’t powered by an a power source on the platform itself.
Seeing as it had a hyperdrive, which requires at least a naquadria reactor, or more likely given the fact that they are Asurans, a ZPM, such a small shield would handle anything they can throw at it.
I always wondered if they placed four Naquadria enhanced nukes right next to the shield of that weapon in the North-South-East-West positions and detonated them at the same time... would that resulting force at the center be enough to destroy the gate satellite!
Was this before or after they learned the origin of the Replicators? If after, how did they honestly think this would work when the Ancients failed with the same tactic?
And then it just calmly rotates inside it's shield and torches you inside the ship you're trying to push with. Afterwards it immediately returns to attacking the planet.
@MayHemm007 Except The Tau'ri were the ones that activated the command to begin the assault on the Wraith a couple episodes before this one. They're literally one the ones that told the replicators to begin a fullscale war with the wraith. Then they blew up the replicator ships they built while following the exact commands the Tau'ri gave them.
yeah, the asurans weren't without blame for attacking atlantis and then killing all the lanteans from that ship. but still, how they were manipulated by the ancients, then nuked by the tauri, then manipulated by the tauri, then manipulated by the wraith and then finally wiped out completely, i just feel a bit bad for them.
+DracaNova The entire planet was an Ancient civilization...they would have long-range sensors everywhere. Atlantis has long-range sensors and it's a (mostly) stationary city.
@@Theomite Atlantis also didn't detect the Vanir ship and both use Asgard hyperdrives so maybe they don't work on Asgard hyperdrives or are just not tuned to them seeing as they tend to be quite rare in Pegasus
@@victorselve8349 Now that's a plot hole patch I can get behind provided they mentioned that in the show. The problem is that the long-range sensors can detect Wraith hyperdrives so this would be a convenient solution. Too convenient.
The profile of the nose of the Horizon is wrong. You want a blunt body for atmospheric entry to keep the bow shock separated from the body as far as possible. Otherwise too much heat gets through too fast.
Honestly the Asurans are pretty justified in most of the stuff they did. Between the Ancients trying to wipe them from existence when asked to remove the uncontrollable rage from their programming, an extremely reasonable request if you ask me, and pretty much every other fraction they meet being either hostile to them, or trying to exploit them for their own gains I can absolutely understand why they aren't to friendly with most of the galaxies population. They are one of the more tragic villains of Stargate to be sure
Asurans=/=Replicators Just like why M1A2 doesn't equal Challenger 2 despite both being MBTs employed by NATO forces on planet Earth. This was shoehorned in and setting up villification and destruction of Asurans was one of the biggest mistakes the show writers did:(
That's TOS era writing for you. or it was detonated inside the shields. A single photon torpedo at default yield is equal to a 50 megaton nuke at least.
Honestly, all they really needed to do was simply get a really big asteroid and accelerate it to 50% the speed of light and crash into that satellite. Even if the shields allow it to survive, the sheer impact would knock it entirely out of orbit rendering it more or less useless. And if the satellite can fly back, Atlantis could just move away in the time it takes to get back.
I think your _simply_ in simply accelerating a large astroid to ½ c is somewhat misplaced... Also most shields in Stargate can absorb kinetic energy very well and the astroid would probably just break apart upon hitting the satellite not transferring most of it's kinetic energy
PatrioticAnarchist93: Shield Technology blocks the effects of a nuclear weapon, except in the early episodes of the old Star Trek...but everyone still survived. But remember, that there is no known shield technology that does anything remotely to what we see in scifi stories, nor are beam energy weapons really practical.
The most practical weapons will always be projectile based.. The most effect way to damage something is to smash something into it really hard and fast. This is essentially what all our of weapons do.
The Alterans got beaten by the Wraith and the Asurans aren't really capable of innovating. They were just really bad a war, which is kind of an endearing trait when you think about it.
Except for the fact that, after they got re-programmed to actually go and fight wraith like they were supposed to, they seem to do pretty well. Until the wraith figure out how to turn off their attack command at least. And yeah, they probably did have sensors and drones to shoot down the horizon, but they either, a)didn't think it was THAT much of a threat, or were a bit too slow. And the horizon does fire off decoys simultaneously to help more of the missiles get through. I'm personally more surprised the asurans didn't have shields installed on any of those shipyards. I guess they just weren't expecting such a sudden attack?
I love the little Canada flag shoulder patch on whoever that character was. It's like, yay, we made it out to space. Yay Canada. We rate. Totally. And now some kinda bad shit is gonna go down. And we're gonna rate badly on that. Oh well. Whatever, eh? Yay Canada. We stand on guard for thee. Still gonna do our best, still might fuck up. Je m'en calisse.
Why didn't the replicators have any long range sensors, orbital defenses, aerial defenses or shields over their super important ship building facilities?
Detecting ships in hyperspace is not easily done and I'm pretty sure they had drones and shields it's just that 60 s is not much time to locate a ships as small as a 304 and find and track an even smaller rocket, I would also assume that they just didn't except an attack since they had no idea that the Tauri possessed such powerful weapons and the Wraith would not risk angering them. (And I mean sure they aren't technically ancients, but they still carry some of their overconfidence with them)
@@victorselve8349 Atlantis had no problem detecting Wraith ships approaching in hyperspace from many light years distance. And since the replicator homeworld had one more more Atlantis class city ships they too had the capability.
@@asvarien but Atlantis also didn't detect the Vanir ship until it had left hyperspace right next to Atlantis and since both the 304 and the Vanir ships use Asgard hyperdrives (although the 304s is probably more advanced since the Vanir put almost all of their effort into fixing the degeneration issue while the main Asgard continued to improve their technology to fight the replicators) I would guess that the 304 is similarly difficult to detect in hyperspace (I would also imagine that the ancients sensors may be tuned to be good at picking up Wraith hyperdrive signatures by default and that it is possible to get the sensors to track Asgard hyperdrives with some modifications) Still they probably could have responded quicker if they had been expecting an attack and actively searched for hostile ships.
The shield gets the energy through the laser. The 3 missiles weakened the laser because the power was used to regenerate the shield, so Shepard wanted to fire drones, but Mckay said that even if he would fire all drones, the shield wouldn´t fail
It is a very small shield powered by possibly multiple ZPMs (depending on how much energy you divert to it and how much energy they pumped into the beam). They would definitely not have gotten through that shield
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