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Well the film has the opposite problem of the book, you see. It's is just very well made and engaging. You'd think a special effects battle/gorefest that old wouldn't hold up, but it does. The bugs are genuinely threatening monsters. Shooting them is cool. There are spaceships. Some of the spaceships explode. It does a well executed form of that joke Verhoeven likes where characters are very concerned for, and attempting to save, the life of someone that is very obviously extremely dead. If you want to just ignore everything its saying and consume it as a dumb, fun action movie you can. It can serve that role very well if that's all you want from it.
I have a buddy who is one of those Jordan Peterson and Ayn Rand loving libertarian weirdos and he gets that Helldivers is an intentionally over-the-top satire. How can these nerds not get it?
@@NinjaRodent imma be honest, if all you see is moment-to-momnet gameplay you'd be REALLY hard-pressed to see the irony. It's on fringe elements like the intro and tutorial and MAYBE some of the barks the characters shout out.
@@daviddiggens8841 What does that have to do with anything that was said, in the video or the comments? Are you just thinking of ways to discredit the video because your feelings are hurt?
He keeps saying that there were no bugs on the Mormon planet and yet the movie clearly states that the Mormans were warned and still settled a planet DEEP INSIDE the Arachnid territory. This guy can't even get basic facts right.
Its a weird bit because that information is coming from a very unreliable narrator. It appears to be there to demonize both the bugs and the Mormons. "The bugs and mindless killing machines that will slaughter every human they can get their claws on. Don't be like these idiot Mormons, who dared to defy us, or the bugs will get their claws on you. (They had it coming)" Honestly, whether the event happened at all is pretty questionable. All that went over Shad's head, of course.
It's clearly shown in the movie that the bugs and humans live on the far opposite end of the galaxy from each other. So the Mormons couldn't find a SINGLE inhabitable planet between the two?
@@GloomdrakeI'm going with the potential third option where he watched the movie like 30 years ago (or whenever he was a preteen) and then looked up a plot synopsis and a few memes just before talking about it with authority.
Shadiversity is someone who I've realized is incapable of seeing nuance in anything. You are either right or wrong, I think he literally thinks it's a battle of good (right) vs evil (left). He's literally said he doesn't see parties just woke and unwoke. And he's so afraid of being wrong he surrounds himself with an echochamber of yes men. He's so defensive because he thinks he's on the good side, so he can't be doing wrong.
Hut the bail on the head I'm afraid. Just like alot of small-minded individuals he refuses to acknowledge that things can be anything other than binary, he refuses the concept of reality being any more complicated than right or wrong, good or bad, up or down, light or dark, left or right, black or white.
this seems like the real explanation for his viewpoint. He sees people critiquing the humans in the movie and assumes that means that they're siding with the bugs, and that they're "Anti-Human" somehow. But nobody is actually taking that stance. The point is they're critiquing the methods of the humans, cause the movie is a goddamn satire. there's literally a reporter in the movie that is like "Some people think we should take a live and let live policy with the bugs and stop pointlessly slaughtering them all" lol
Nuance has been evicted from much of politics these days. Used to be a lot more room for disagreements and grey areas ten or so years ago, but you try having a nuanced view on topics ideologues inevitably hold a black or white view on and watch as their ideological framing defeats reason not by good argument, but the diminishing of patience and respect for others such that people no longer care to lay out their position because they know it won't get through nor gain them anything but abuse. There is little discussion, it's arguments and stupidity. Be you "woke" or "anti-woke", left or right (as in not moderate or centrist. At least both sides agree in their distaste for us though, so that's something I guess... ), you're ironically the same in your accredited flaws. It's depressing to see people so easily puppeteered when the majority of us agree upon the main problems with society, that being the "elites" that shaft everyone regardless of political leaning. Instead of arguing over a movie, we could be dealing with actual problems, but nooo, let's all argue about dumb shit on twatter instead and make ourselves feel better for having the "correct" opinions and being "on the right side of history", ugh. That final phrase alone fills me with dread.
@@BlazeMakesGames He said that those claiming the humans are bad, are vegans. Huh...well I'm not a vegan, but in the movie it's very clear we are the ones in the wrong there as humans. In the tv show we even see humans waging war with another alien race as well, yeah we ain't goody good guys at all. One can still like the movie, hell I love the Empire in Star Wars, that's what made me a fan as a little boy, but the Empire isn't exactly the greatest of the bunch out there for others either.
there is a lot of people who hold ignorant views because they dont want to come to terms with the fact that they are in the wrong side of history. its uncomfortable to recognize you are wrong, and i feel like its a feeling we can all relate regardless of side. problem is some people are too cowardly to face that reality and its way easier to live in echo chambers than actually face opposition. thats why they never talk to anyone directly, they speak of vague generalizations, it helps create an illusion of a faceless, shapeless mob rather than giving it a form. its all deep insecurity, wich shad is in spades, so its not surprising he has gone down this path.
Not radical, just naive. Humanity as a whole isn't benefiting equally for starters; most of the generated wealth ends up in 1% of the pockets. Second, we can't keep using the earth's resources at the pace we've become accustomed to do without damaging the very planet we need to survive.
Unironically future generations will look back at early industrial to modern humans as demented psychopaths for essentially believing that raping the planet at maximum speed in the same way we look back on slavers.
"Why do so many people in the modern day hate humanity?" Proceeds to fully endorse AI for art. What a damn hypocrite, I want to hate him so badly, but that would only lower me to his level.
No it wouldn't. Acting on and spreading that hate, maybe. Allowing it to fester until you become bitter and cruel? Sure. But hate, like anger, in measured safe amounts isn't always a bad thing that lowers you.
With so many other things he misses the point by a million miles. People in the modern day (save ecofacists) don't hate humanity: We hate capitalism excesses, colonialism excesses, imperialism excesses.... Yes those are human things but not all humans are like that... But to see things like that you have to not do like Shad and look at the world like everything is black or white
It amuses me that Christains suggest such a thing, despite being, you know, Christians. Have you ever read or seen anything more misanthropic than the bible? I'm a misanthrope but I'm nowhere near being on that level. Ironically enough, it's the existence of such a religion that I am misanthropic. If that is the supposed best of humanity, let alone a god, then what hope do we have. But that's a different topic.
7:45 Shad's take there is definitely a religious take: God created the Earth and all within it for mankind to use. They never seem to consider that gifts are to be taken care of. God may have provided what is needed, but that doesn't mean there's enough to take whatever you want
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 The times I've talked to people who think that way it's more "God will just keep providing no matter how much we take." It kinda leans on denial of how much damage can be done
@@FrozEnbyWolf150 This is why the more heavy christian conservatives don't believe in climate change or green technology, they believe "the earth will provide" since "it was made for us".
Nearly all religious thinking inevitably leads to this sort of thing. If you believe that you have an eternal afterlife waiting for you, and this life is just like a welcome mat to wipe your feet on before you go to The Good Place, then what motivation is there to preserve and care for it?
Paul Verhoven on reading the book said "I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring ... it is really quite a bad book ... it's a very right-wing book." The mormons in the movie are not "just looking for a peaceful planet to colonize," either. The planet was in a quarantine zone, and they were aware of this. They are basically acting as West Bank settlers, trying to force the issue of settling the planet while it is in dispute.
One thing though, later his friend read the book and took him through the whole story, hence why there are full quotes taken straight from the book. Also, being someone who grew up in Nazi occupied territory, the chest fist pumping, hura soldier worship themes of the book where experienced differently by him than someone who grew up in the US.
It's no wonder Shad is such a piss-poor writer. He's physically incapable of reading even basic subtext at even an elementary school level. Paul Verhoeven wasn't even being subtle!
yeah it's not even subtext it's the literal text. Hell he keeps saying the bugs weren't on the mormon planet when the news in the movie even say "But that planet was already colonized by the bugs" They literally settled on a bug planet.
@@johannesschuh631 i don't know, never watched his opinion Channel, only the medieval stuff (and I stopped because all his takes boiled down to "polearm best") but It wouldnt surprise me
The bugs represent how the fascist sees its enemies. The movie is from the view of the fascist. It's really not a hard concept to understand. I don't know how people miss it lol
"i want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understands it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don't" -paul verhoeven, 1996 (probably)
@@TheRoboBro1513I doubt it's genuine but it is a funny quote. It also helped you to unknowingly prove (kinda) a point i alluded to in a thread above regarding facism being entirely (mostly) aesthetic. Your response to that quote is somehwat like "Who cares if it's real, it looks good and serves my own framing.". Granted, you're perhaps not at all inclined towards extreme ideolgies and the authoritarianism therein, perhaps an entirely reasonable and decent person, but it's so easy to slip into it without a thought, just "Meh, it looks okay? Guess it's probally okay... ", and next thing you know you've somehow agreed to a whole host of insanity or otherwise inadvertently ushered in a horrendous law that no one of sane mind would agree with in isolation. But if you then dare speak up and question it, oh how your supposed peers turn upon you in frightening unison. Like a hivemind. That's how it gets you, that's how facism works (and other ideologies frankly, it's all looks without any genuine reason). It isn't this goose stepping monolith with fancy threads, not at first anyway. This is why i avoid interacting with attractive people, you just don't know what shit they'll recruit my dumbass into with their false smiles if I'm having an off day. Gotta check yourself before you start goose stepping home.
@@djinnxx7050 First of all.. when a leftist decides to go authoritarian, they don't become fascist, they become a tankie. Second of all.. my man... this is your 2nd essay about the slippery slopes of authoritarianism. We get it. And lastly, did you just say that you don't talk to... attractive people? I... don't even know where to begin. Don't want to say anything to mean to you.
@@leifanderson3487 First of all, I don't care what *you* call an authoritarian leftie. Are they authoritarian? Yes. So lets call a spade a spade for fucks sake. It's really simple. Second, slippery slopes are very real. Proven time and again, you go too far either way and folk get dragged off the edge into oblivion, or the fire. Is it wrong that I wish to prevent that? Do you actually get it? Thirdly, that was previously referred to as sarcasm. Must I really alert you people to it every time I say something i assume is clearly sarcastic to any reasonable individual? Don't tell me, it was a rhetorical question. Lastly, insinuating some degree of retardation, whilst accurate since I do have aspergers, is somewhat rich coming from someone who I assume has no such excuse for it. Now, can we go back to being civil and maybe discuss it as adults? I mean, since when did I become the enemy here, all I'm asking for is some reason and that people check themselves before they become what they claim to despise. Since when has that ever deserved such toothless attempts at abuse? It's frankly pathetic.
I Feel like Shade would take every possible wrong message from everyone of Paul Verhoeven's films and he's the exact kind of person Paul had in mind when he made the quote, ""i want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understands it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don't" -Paul Verhoeven, 1996
Neil Patrick Harris dressed as an offbrand SS solider right if front of all their faces and it fly 1000 miles over their heads as all them drool over SS uniforms is hilarious.
Funny you mentioned that if the directpr himself told him it is fasvist satire he wouldn't believe him, because I saw that argument in Reddit (not Chad, obviously) some idiot was having the same take (StarshipTroopers is not satire, actually) and when someone told him the director himself has come out and said that the movie is indeed satire, the response was "he (the director) is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about and that's where we apply 'death of the author' "
god yeah I remember years ago when I first learned they were related I was like "oh cool the sword guy and the art guy are related" and then Shad started... "expanding" his content portfolio...
Yeah, I feel like there's a reason Shad hasn't featured much at all on Tabletop Time. Personally I respect Jazza a lot for not really talking about this sort of thing outside of telling a few stories about how he left the Mormon church.
on one side we've got a teeming horde of violent mindless drones with no agency bred and raised to kill and to be used as fodder, and on the other side is a bunch of bugs
it’s the only home we’ve ever had! you maintain your home even if you were willed it by a powerful space ghost. especially then. none of his arguments make any sense, he’s an ideological fraud
When people talk about Verhoeven not understanding the book. ...did *they* read the book? Heinlein likes to pretend he's the realist. He's got all these very authoritarian ideas. He knows that anyone who's actually studied those ideas and how they tend to play out when implemented has concluded they don't work. He's bitter about it. They're just a bunch of academics who don't understand how the real world works, he thinks. His ideas feel true to him, so a demonstration to the contrary must be somehow misguided. "The social scientists nearly brought civilization to it's knees," in his weird vision of the future. Total civilizational collapse brought on by people not hitting their kids enough, or something. Heinlein uses the book to go on about how he knows how the world *really* works. Authoritarianism is *actually* awesome. But Verhoeven's knowledge of how wrong Heinlein is didn't come out of a remote and academic study. Verhoeven grew up in Nazi occupied territory. Verhoeven really did see how the world really works. He saw authoritarianism up close and personal. Imagine how this dipshit who'd never actually seen authoritarianism, prattling on about how great it is, about how he's the only person who understands the real world and the necessity of authoritarianism, must have seemed to someone who actually lived it. Verhoeven understood the themes and morals of Starship Troopers quite well. Heinlein didn't, is all.
I've read the book I doubt those people have read it They just spit the same arguments over and over like they decorated it but never dwelve deeper into what happens in the book Because the book is unironically an political manifesto like atlas shrugged Is not an book about power armors fighting bugs The book is in fact boring and right wing
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009I actually found the book rather fun to read, but holy SHIT were the morals in it disgusting. What skeeved me out even more was that I checked it out from the juvenile section of the library. This is a children's book meant to make fascism look cool and fun, and it damn near succeeds at it sometimes.
There was this meme going around about some right-winger who made the insane claim that the movie "failed as satire" because ... "the main characters are attractive, which makes it impossible to look down on them". Really shows you what kind of mentality these people have, which they then project onto everyone else.
Facism isn't only right wing either. You may take a different route but the differences between communism and facism are minor at best. In the end, both are horribly authoritarian hivemind ideologies that suck all nuance from political discourse and shun the centre/moderates as something to be hated, that "you're either with us or against us" mentality. Why does anyone give into either if not the optics? An argument for one side or the others sounds better, has better aesthetics in your minds eye than the other. None of us are impervious to becoming facist because the aesthetics is it's allure, that shallow appearance of beauty over the reality of suffering. It's like the streets of the capital city of a nation under one dictatorship or another, it is typically pristine on the surface but scratch a little and it quickly comes apart.
@@djinnxx7050 Confidently stating that the sky is green and grass blue does not make it so, lmao. You could have done a 5 minute Google search instead of just rattling off whatever you heard on TV.
Shad: "The bugs are just drones, they're not intelligent, its like killing animals" Also Shad: "The bugs are a consciously genocidal species that decided and enacted a meteor strike at a population centre so they're the bad guys" Pick EVERY position!! one of them is bound to be correct!!!
@@svanirreads4448 Considering that in the sequel book (speaker for the dead), Ender actually hatches the Queen Egg on a new planet, thus beginning to undo his annihilation of their species, I would say it's more than just a feeling and a subtle theme!
In the movie, I always found it incredibly unbelievable that the bugs caused the meteor strike. It shows that Klendathu is on the opposite side of the galaxy from earth. If that graphic is to be believed. Even if that rock managed to go to light speed, it would take tens of thousands of years to reach earth, while humanity was just showing off their new moon defense ring. A false flag to motivate all of humanity to fight the bugs seems more reasonable.
They were even warned about bug eggs being able to lie dormant underground by Rasczak when he went to teach Moral philosophy because the Mormons refused to teach it to their children
Shad probably just saw the 3D animated show of Star Ship Troopers where they made the bugs the invading party. Shad's a baby, so that's the only one he could watch.
As someone from Germany, I am shocked to see how blind Shad (and many other people in Australia, and the US) is to fascist propaganda. It's so blatantly obvious when you actually use your brain when consuming media. But these guys are so deeply anti-intellectual, only focused on their own enjoyment without a single thought about different perspectives, messages or themes.
I think most of them don't understand that fascism isn't stomping for everyone. Therefore, if someone not evil is having a good time in a society, it can't possibly be a brutal authoritarian state.
I've found Starship Troopers and Warhammer 40k are both excellent vibe checks when it comes to sussing out people who are otherwise good at hiding there more evil political beliefs.
@@brainblessed5814 No government in Star Wars was right or wrong. You can find many issues with any faction as well as perks. So for someone to say one faction is right is dumb to me
@@user-kt4to5xs9l you've never seen people who defend actions of Empire online? I mean, I understand that most of them do it humorously, but some seem to be quite serious and then you see what they say on other topics and it does make you wonder if they were joking or not.
@@brainblessed5814 Don’t get me wrong , even if i haven’t seen anyone say that I fully believe someone did. The level of stupidity I’ve seen makes me fully believe you. I’m just making the point of how anyone that does say that doesn’t look any deeper into the people they talk about
So I’m subscribed to Shad and used to watch his weapon videos. He hasn’t came into my feed in probably over a year or so. So you popping up ( which I’ve never seen you before) is awesome. I’m a leftist- humanist- atheists and glad I came across this.
Same-ish boat, although it was when he was on lotus eaters that I was like "Oh dear... ". I love the nerdy sword stuff, but I recognised fairly early on that he's very much an embarrassment of colonialism in that he is a good piece of evidence for the idea that Britain was simply attempting to get rid of its idiots when it colonised everywhere such that the most disturbingly religious (read: stupid) people on the planet, living in the West, are direct colonial ancestors. Our politics were never going to align, but then meh, his nerdy enthusiasm for medieval history and swords, however ignorant he may be of much of it considering his religious lense, is endearing as fuck. I'd not usually consider a near middle aged man with some questionable views as cute, but when he dons his brigandine and waves around his rubber swords... a touch of downs, perhaps? Meh, that's probably not very PC, but fuck that. He ain't too bright, but that ain't why you watch. Man turns into a big kid when he touches anything even remotely sword like, and I can relate. You know you'll have a quick swoosh if you pick up a stick or something, it's like instinct
Paul Verhoeven also directed Robocop, which is a great movie while also a great discussion of copaganda and why we shouldn't privatize law enforcement services. So yes, generally good shit, aside from lying to Sharon Stone while filming Basic Instinct.
Jesus wow, they're really like "People unironically side with the bugs in the movie, but they're okay with killing bugs in real life. Checkmate Atheists" The first point is already based entirely on a strawman. But even if we took this theoretical nonexistent person who is trying to "side" with the bugs, there's zero inherent dissonance with the idea of them being okay with killing bugs in real life. Even within the context of their own fake argument, the idea is that the bugs are meant to be a sentient emotive species that were colonized on. Even without comprehending the movie itself, the way he's presented the argument is clearly such that the bugs are meant to be a stand-in for various indigenous peoples who were invaded and had their land and resources stolen. Like oh my god it has nothing to do with the species on either side of the war. Learn what a god damn Metaphor is Shad!
The Rodger Young hit the asteroid and changed the trajectory. This way it hit Buenos Aires (plus the ads said before that, that the orbital defense is better than ever). That's for sure. - If Carmen wouldn't have changed course that wouldn't have happened. And the ships communication were down too. There's a tiny hint that it may have been Carl (Neil Patrick Harris) who did make Carmen course correct via telepathy. She says "You read my mind" when Zander brings her coffee. Maybe the military intelligence wasn't happy with their leadership or how society treated civilians quite well (Johnny's parents are rich), wanted more power etc ...the society is like a scifi version of Spartan culture too btw. The film is a 2 hours long mockery of militarism, love for it and fascism. Something I understood bc basically in 1998 when I watched it at the age of 18.
Honestly I would at best see it as a "lol dumb fun" movie rather than some confirmation of militarism worth. But then again, I was lucky to not put much stock in military might as anything other than a big stick with at best no intrinsic virtue.
@@TankZappa I love that you fail to realize that my criticism extends to any militare. I'd expect nothing less tbh. Besides, you way overestimate the reich. They'd have collapsed internally before my time, so far as I care I don't see it as being unequivocally worse than the influence of the US in modern times. Lastly, I hope that is just an idiom because speaking a different language will never be inherently better or worse to someone, least far as it's someone who hopes I would care about their opinions.
I don't really see how bugs are the future of food when plants are right there. To respond to Shad's point about vegans killing more by eating exclusively plants, what does he think the animals are eating in order for them to be raised and eaten by us? This is a very common talking point even among people who aren't anti-vegan, it's literally like going down the dialogue tree because people are just repeating things they've heard without any critical thought beyond that. It's also not realistic to say we should all focus on being mindful and source meat from local farms, you can't feed everybody with that type of production. Most meat you consume is coming from a factory farm anyways, if local was the only way it would be an extreme luxury because it wouldn't be able to scale relative to human population. Idk why you can't just say "yeah it's just about taste" and stop pretending you care lmao.
Paul Verhoeven made a big parody out of Starship troopers. Even the choice of actors was serving that purpose, to parody society who believe pretty faces over anything else. To make humankind look like the good guys cause hey look at us, we have pretty folks here! That we are wearing Nazi inspired uniforms (even the SS logo's presented) doesn't matter, we see pretty folks so the whole movie we assume they are the good guys. The bugs are evil right? Even though all we see is Humans conquering the galaxy and building colonies left and right. We are doing what we Europeans did back then, claiming parts that aren't ours. The bugs just happen to fight back so our propaganda machine kicks, just like how we still do that these days with how the news is used to push for narratives the governments and other parties want us to have. The movie even has those bits included to show how it works, like having kids hold a real gun and stamping on bugs shouting "I'm doing my part!". Amazing how this "highly" intellectual being called Shad failed to see that and goes "But you keep saying humans are bad", YES WE ARE BAD, WE ARE THE REASON SO MANY ANIMALS NO LONGER EXCIST OR ARE ABOUT TO DIE CAUSE OF US KILLING THEM FOR TUSKS AND WHAT NOT, Jesus F'ing Christ Shad, wake up! I know you are religious so of course you don't live in the real world but one based on a fairy tale book, but in the real world, humans are a awful species. We kill anything and anyone we don't like or has something we want. We don't care about the long term effects as long as it gives us something right now, that is human kind, sorry you been sleeping and didn't realize, but anyone with half a brain and able to look out of their window knows how terrible human kind is.
He also waxes lyrical about fixing up "shit holes" and draining swamps, not realizing that making them arable land actually participates in destroying our planet, its ecosystems and accelerating global warming.
Man I was gonna make a joke about how the "find an empty planet" feels reminiscent of the republicans "we came to america and tamed the empty wilds where no one was living ha ha", but he just went all in on that rhetoric as well
As an ex-mormon from Europe who grew up outside of the American mormon sphere of influence, I have to wonder who the fuck Shad thinks is "we". "We were kicked out of Kirtland", "Missouri put an extermination order on us". I'm pretty sure Shad has never even been to the Salt Lake Valley or experienced American Mormons before. I really don't think Shad has the grounds to pull the "we" card. I doubt he has any kind of direct relation to the original Mormons, just like I didn't. But that's what Mormon indoctrination does to you. It makes you think you're persecuted despite having no experience with anything coming close to persecution. I can guarantee most American Mormons would not consider Shad to be part of their cultural in-group, simply because he's not from the USA. Edit: "We're good at fixing trash-holes." Nah bro, the entire state of Utah is screwed because of Mormon terraforming. The Great Salt Lake is disappearing at an ever-increasing rate because of Mormon industry and agriculture. Massive agricultural operations IN A DESERT. A DESERT. Where water is already a pretty important resource.
Kyle Kallgreen did a good three part series on Startship Troopers a few years ago. He went into the both the book and the movie. It's admittedly long, but they were all I could think of while I was watching this
I know this has nothing to do with most of the video, but Shad's comment about the vegans and soy and all that is honestly laughable because almost 80% of global soybean production is for livestock feed, with over 90% of USA soybean production going to livestock feed. One of those factoids I've learned because of all the anti vegan takes out there blaming vegans for things we're a tiny tiny fraction of.
Shad literally quotes a straight line from the film when he says that humans are at fault for intruding into the bug's territory and then immediately says that's not even what the movie is about. Might want to rewatch the film you are going to review on a video you are putting out, minimal effort stuff. also Shad neglects to mention the reason Starship Troopers is trending, it is because everyone is playing Helldivers 2 online with their buddies so the topic comes up, not the most profound or serous reason that has any effect, but it makes it look like he is not just bitching about gamers talking about random stuff cuz that does not sound self important
Humans but not The Federation. Further, due to Brain Bugs, they know that humanity isn't a collective such as themselves. Meaning that they intentionally prosecuted a war on humanity with full knowledge that the Mormons were a splinter faction. As to 'facism' in the movie, i am going to copy paste one of my old comments on that. *Just because something holds similar attributes to fascism does not make it inherently fascist. Fascism has 5 key principles, as writen about by Benito Mussolini in “The Doctrine of Fascism” (1932) a.k.a the guy who wrote the book on it. 1) The creation of a ‘new man for a new century’, Starship troops has no mentions of eugenics, selective breeding or any attempt to ‘improve’ humanity. It infact scorns the society the came before it for attempting such things. 2) ‘Single party rule’ the starship troops universe makes no mention of how its voting system works other than people earn the right to vote for choosing the serve the civilisation. 3) the ‘ever increasing power of the state’ be that industrial, militaristic, social or political power; the starship troopers book makes it clear that the war is over territorial expansion, as both the humans and bugs want the same planets. In this point Starship troopers holds similarity to Fascist ideology, along with 99% of all other ideologies or nations that have ever gone to war. 4) ‘Uniformity’ the believe that all must march under one rhythm surpassing class distinctions and difference of identity within the states borders. All are consumed by the state. Diversity is anathema. Both the book of Starship troopers, and the film show this is not the case, otherwise the Mormon extremists and any other humans wanting to exist outside of the federation would have been suppressed and the military would be based of conscription rather than optional volunteer service. 5) ‘Everything in the state and nothing outside the state. The state is god.’ The fact that people in the Statship troopers’ universe can colonise planets outside the Federation means this is not the case. Couple that with the fact that Juan Rico’s wealthy father disowns his son for doing Federal Service, means that business and wealth also exist outside state control, ultimately weakening the state.
I don't eat ocean bugs, either. Although realistically there probably are still insect parts in my daily peanut butter ration. I'm just not aware of them and would prefer to keep it that way.
13:47 EXACTLY THE POINT... The bugs don't have ANY kind of tech, they have big bugs that shoot plasma farts, how did they chuck a FREAKING METEOR all the way to earth?
When i first saw Starship Troopers, i didnt realize it was a satire. I was about 13. Even then, i never gave it any kind of deep analysis and took it as just a dumb action movie.
The Starship Troopers movie is actually one of the least subtle movies ever. I was like 12 when I watched it the first time and I still realized that the humans are in the wrong....
I feel like it's really important to point out that Heinlein was not a fascist. His books explore all manner of governments and typically they involve characters who have bought into the system 100%. Like the libertarian "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" or the Marxist utopian "Stranger in a Strange Land", the characters in the story fully accept the system, but the reader is meant to think more deeply about it. As an example, in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" the main characters are working toward a revolution in which an AI is laying out the plan of action that they simply follow. Since it is successful and the characters end up achieving their goals, they are very happy with the outcome. But the reader is left to wonder about how many innocent people it cost to get there. In his lifetime, Heinlein identified strongly with the libertarian party. While that probably meant something different then it does today, it's probably the closest representation we have to what he actually believed.
Somewhere in an alternate universe, two dung beetles in gambesons are pointing out a bug torturing Rico is okay because they are obviously a hive mind, which they deduce through the introduction of NPH's character.
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009Um, no. That is well outside the sequence of events. Buenos Aires was hit far earlier in the movie before Casper had decided to rejoin the army. It was his inciting incident to fight rather than quit. The Roger Young was in orbit around a different planet when it was hit and got knocked down.
@@jklinders Carmen is a girl that joined the navy. She was helming a ship that encountered the asteroid before it hit Earth. They are saying that because they scratched asteroid with their ship it changed it's trajectory a tiny bit which caused it to hit Buenos Aires.
The more interesting theory is that the asteroid was already in the right trajectory, sent by earth forces, and the ship was there as a sacrifice to sell the attack. What are the odds of that ship being in that spot randomly? If they were on patrol for danger, they wouldn't have missed that rock coming at them.
The bug planet is more than 70,000 light years from earth, making it mathematically impossible for the bugs to have sent the asteroid to earth. From what I heard the bugs did it in the books, but the director confirmed that the bug didn't do it in the movie.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to suppose they did it. To orchestrate such a strike, given what we know of their aerospace technologies, the bugs would have needed to be planning for the conflict thousands of years before it began. It reads like a plot hole until you realize it's a pretextual basis for aggression.
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos It actually made me think that the federation had orchestrated the whole thing. I’m not sure why but to assume that the technologically advanced group couldn’t see the asteroid made me assume the fascist government needed an excuse to invade
Same. Even if the bugs could accelerate a rock with plasma to light speed, it would take tens of thousands of years and would have to cross the entire galaxy and all sorts of gravity wells and other objects it could impact with... and humanity had just unveiled their moon defense station to defend against literally that kind of attack, and just after that, Buenos Aires gets destroyed anyways? And nobody saw the asteroid coming, no warning whatsoever? It just seems like an obviously orchestrated event to rile up humanity against the bugs who don't seem to encroach on our territory whatsoever, but they're another expansionist species so humanity would have come into conflict with them in one way or another eventually. The Federation just wanted to get them out of the way but that isn't going to get recruits motivated to die on a foreign planet.
@@user-kt4to5xs9l Of course the Federation orchestrated it. The Arachnids have no technology whatsoever. Their way of colonizing other planets is shooting their spores at sublight speed into space and hope for the best. No space ships, no faster than light travel, and they're at the other side of the Galaxy. It's literally impossible for them to attack Earth in any way.
The right seems incapable understanding satire. Anyone remember when Sargon completely without any irony used "Service guarantees citizenship" for his failed political career?
I was going to make a snarky comment about how it might be easier to make content on subjects Shad actually understands, but then you wouldn't really be able to make much content from such a short list of topics.
IIRC he has blocked a bunch of actually sword experts who have came at him for his takes in the past. So I don't think he actually understands anything.
From Utah, so I’m around Mormons all the time. They love to think they were trailblazer, but they couldn’t be further from the truth. Their info about where to go mostly came from fur trappers that actually explored unknown territory.
Reading Starship Troopers the book, yeah that text is fascist as all get out. The first chapter features our lead intentionally committing war crimes under orders, including planting a bomb in a church. So, if Shad is only bringing up the book: he's completely and sadly on point. The film, however, completely deconstructs the original story.
Shad and the other skim milk guy keep saying no one was in utah. claiming it was empty. Last I checked Utah had a pretty big Native American Population, we learn about them a lot here. So to claim that no one was there is crazy. Not to mention the other settlers the Pioneers murdered because they wanted no one else to settle in that part of the nation because they wanted to make a new country there.
For the Americans, its peak summer/autumn weather in Australia. Hottest part of the year which makes the chainmail tunic hoodies extra dumb and cringe.
11:42 Just for reference here is a time line of events in starship troopers. 1) human colonists move to a bug-occupied planet. 2) colonists get eaten by bugs. 3) an asteroid hits earth around Boenos-Aries. The government blames the attack on bugs. The question how bugs with limited interplanetary travel technology seemingly managed to hit earth with an FTL projectile - don't ask. Why did the rock land onto a city with majority population being happily not citizens and living life of opulence? Lucky coincidence... I mean tragic coincidence... 4) In resonce to the asteroid attack, a large scale gung-ho operation is carried out. Ends in bloodbath. Because the bugs whe were allegedly capable of FTL interplanetary warfare were not supposed to have anti-orbit capabilities. 5) Head of military resigns. 6) War moves from reckless assaults to actually strategic operation and that yields results. So yeah. The movie is firmly around the story of colonization, subjugation of local population, with a sprinkle of propaganda and cover-up.
1. A bug planet in _the quarantine zone._ Which implies the government did very little to stop the colonists from going there in the first place. Provoking an attack was useful to them. 3. In the movie the Arachnids have no technology whatsoever. Like they're not even shown to make or use basic tools. Their way of colonizing planets is to shoot their spores into space at sublight speeds and hope for the best. That hardly qualifies as 'limited interplanetary travel technology.' Not even when their home planet is under attack are they capable of leaving the surface. Hell, their plasma fire hardly reaches orbit. It's literally impossible for the Arachnids to have attacked Earth from 100.000 lightyears or so away. No "akshully" intended, just some details that hammer the point home even harder.
Haha, you think the rich will eat bugs? No. That's gonna be the next big thing separating the classes. Those that can afford fancy meals, and those surviving off bugs genetically modifies to be more nutritious and delicious.
Shad is such a mess... he's very annoying for too many reasons for me to even count but dear god the way he misses the point of starship troopers. Plus, yes, if you land on a planet and just decide its gonna be yours and start killing shit you ARE in the wrong. Like??? Its not hard to see that. I live in my apartment, if someone just shoves themselves into my apartment and start taking my shit I would also respond with violence bc wtf!? Edit: That aside, I'd be up for bug food if presented right. Not corporate bug food, but like the way people have been making them like... is it egypt that has the honeyed locusts? I have the knowledge kicking around in my brain but its super early for me, basically if it was an option and it was appetizing I'm gonna try it. I like trying new foods anyways so sure why not.
I'm frankly astonished by how utterly clueless Shad is. I mean, I've seen some left wing youtubers talk about the mentality of people like him, but I thought it was hyperbole. Turns out they were dead on. He's actually not seeing the very obvious critique of militarism and fascism. Just wow.
There used to be a guy long ago who'd watch this movie and question why the walls of the colony didn't have some form of machicolations that would've enabled defenders to shoot the bugs directly below the walls without exposing themselves by leaning over the edge. I wonder what he's doing now.
"The earth and the animals are there for us" Once again religion proves to be the problem in every single area of life, this time with regard to environmental disasters and global warming.
The other thing is that things which evolved separately from life on Earth would necessarily have a separate genetic heritage and therefore could not possibly actually be bugs. That's just something the federation calls them in order to depersonalize their slaughter.
Christians in general do NOT study religious texts, they were told what the text says by some pastor in their childhood (every pastor interprets it differently) and they never check what it actually says. Most hardcore christians say "the Bible supports me" regardless of what they say. Like the pastor who scammed all his followers to buy crypto and lost it all. I have actually met more atheists who have read christian texts to prove christians wrong than christians who have read any religious text.
Christians in general do NOT study religious texts, they were told what the text says by some pastor in their childhood (every pastor interprets it differently) and they never check what it actually says. Most hardcore christians say "the Bible supports me" regardless of what they say. Like the pastor who scammed all his followers to buy crypto and lost it all. I have actually met more atheists who have read christian texts to prove christians wrong than christians who have read any religious text.
At the age of 13, I was able to understand there was a bigger joke going on by the propaganda alone. NPH's outfit at the end sealed the deal, I remember going "That's a full-on Nazi uniform" and my dad getting this little smirk as he said "It sure is, kid" and a moment later, both of us guffawing at the giant CENSORED bar after the hour and a half of gruesome violence.
Radical or no, saying the earth is for the benefit of mankind but still bashing climate change and sustainability is an oxymoron. Not much to benefit from if the earths resources are exhausted.
24:10 I am not sure if this research was available at the time the movie was made (and it definitely was not available when the book was written) but I just can't help but put it here. Thinking about hive species (like ants or bees or termites) in terms of "1 queen controlling a lot of mindless drones" is actually wrong. The queen does not make all the decisions. Instead every "mindless drone" uses its own intelligence to assess the situation and make an intuitive decision that feels like the most beneficial to the hive. And this large amount of simple independent actors while very limited individually become capable of much more complex behaviours. The queen is the center of hive reproduction, not decision making. And people are now trying to study and utilize this approach in a field called "swarm algorithmic".
Shad - when the Momo's came out west, where I live, in the 19th century, they massacred a bunch of their Mormon rivals, pitted Native tribes against each other, and almost went to war with the US govt over polygamy. Get yo facts straight, son.
He wants to complain about people thinking they are bad just for existing, but that's exactly what Christianity says is the case. Christianity says that we are born into sin, that we deserve eternal suffering and punishment, that we are vile creatures of sin and it is literally only through the torture and murder of the only perfect being to have existed that we even get a chance at salvation. Christianity has been emotionally abusing people and telling them that they're worthless for 2000 years, and now people like Shad are totally flummoxed when a few people say "maybe humans aren't all that awesome?"
In the movie, the rock that hits earth collides with the spaceship that some of the main characters are training on first. And if you know anything about the mechanics of objects in space, you know that means that rock wasn't heading for earth until that impact. The movie literally shows us that the idea that the rock came from the bugs is a cover-up for the fact that some human trainees did an oopsie with a massive death toll as a result.
In the movie the bugs have no technology whatsoever. We're told their way of colonizing planets is to shoot their spores into space at sublight speeds and hope for the best. Even when the Arachnid homeplanet is under attack they are not capable of leaving the surface. Their plasma fire barely breaks orbit. And Klendathu is shown to be at the other side of the Galaxy, or some 100.000 lightyears away. It's literally impossible for the Arachnids to attack Earth in any conceivable way. Everything screams false flag, including letting some colonists through a militarized quarantine zone to provoke bug attacks, and this 'oopsie' was just useful for the Federation to initiate the next phase of the bug war. I mean, outside of the Federation propaganda clips ("Would you like to know more?") the Arachnids are never shown to be on the offensive, or even leave the quarantine zone. All they ever do is defend themselves against colonists and invaders.
