BullRed94 ok but im talking in general. You can have a basketball player from the 80’s who don’t analyze things well like a player from the 00’s. Actually, in this Shaq-Hollins debate, i don’t actually think it matters either. Sometimes when Hollins explained a good point, Shaq just waited until Max responded with something. So... no, it depends on how good of an analyst you are. Note: im not saying Hollins is a good analyst lol im just talking in general
All I’m saying is Hollins didn’t play with those guys, he watched, Shaq played with them and against them, that’ll always top any analyzation of what you watched
BullRed94 yeah i don’t disagree with the fact of Shaq knowing more than Hollins. But my disagreement with the original comment is that sometimes that doesn’t matter. You need to prove or articulate well your opinions to be taken seriously. If you were a basketball player, it don’t automatically means that all you say is right
@markmac although officiating has gotten stricter or "softer". there are players whoi think wud do good in either era. Like dame, lebron which they grt handchecked alot, bunped n all that n still dont get calls but still play great. now a jame harden i think wud be the most affected if he played in that era. cus the refs side with him alot. whether its the stepback, or all them calls he gets driving to the rim..
90's was the bomb. if you dont move. you'll get a kick on your face. today, sponsors are so concerned about their players that the only thing they didn't do is make them wear protective gears.
I see way more comments from the Jordan fanfags using the term bronsexual constantly, because they get so defensive crying about their childhood crush jordan no longer being the unanimous goat to everyone.
This is one instance where a Jury wouldn't convict Shaq if he went medieval on Hollins with those ridiculous comments. My personal favorite "How many times did Jordan see the Warriors?". Just Wow!
Your favorite or his favorite It doesn't matter ! In numbers, Lebron is undisputedly the best. The numbers are correct, do not make mistakes, and do not bias anyone with emotion. (Top 5 Greatest NBA Players) : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Y22aneXbxY.html
He aint lying…..they purposely made the game less physical so the international guys can come in and make an immediate impact like Doncic vs it taking 2 to 3 years like Dirk, Peja, etc
@@edro51188 Which statement was stupid exactly? Warriors beating the Bulls? More than likely seeing as they are the most talented team ever. LeBron better than Jordan? Not exactly blasphemous. Not common opinion, but not crazy.
Shaq really made a slapping truth in the face of Hollins. The best part of this conversation was when Shaq staring at Hollins and said " Michael Jordan is what in the finals, 6 and what? And what is Lebron in the finals? That's all I gotta say".
Your favorite or his favorite It doesn't matter ! In numbers, Lebron is undisputedly the best. The numbers are correct, do not make mistakes, and do not bias anyone with emotion. (Top 5 Greatest NBA Players) : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Y22aneXbxY.html
It has only happened 4 times in the history of the NBA where a player has achieved in a season: 1) won the scoring title 2) won the regular season MVP 3) was first team defensive player 4) led the play-offs in scoring 5) won the MVP in the finals Those players are Jordan, Jordan, Jordan and Jordan!
Actually his argument is a defendable one. The Bulls never played a team as strong as Golden State. I don't agree that Lebron is better, but it's a credible position.
MJ played smart with the team and that's why he never stepped down on the finals' pedestal winning 6-0. It's common sense to pick MJ over LBJ. It is MJ's mentality to compete and end up winning in the end. Played the championship years without load management. MJ was focused on winning the championship then all other personal stats are a plus to the ring. Though he had a remarkable mix of personal awards like ROS, MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Slam Dunk champ, scoring leader in a season, steals leader in a season, and minutes leader in a season. An example with Westbrook winning MVP and Triple-Doubles is still inferior to MVP and Championship ring.
@elliotx 18 months ? I think its a valid state of mourning when he lost his pops as he said that he lost his desire to play basketball. 63 and lost? I mentioned he played smart late in his career and not stepping down of the pedestal. In 2001? he's really in a bad shape after the 2nd retirement. He's doing it for charity not for any championship chase. He's proven enough with two 3 peats. And Lebron needed to jump to another team to win his 1st ring and was laughed at his 1st season in Miami for being beaten by Mavs.
Like A Man is just more stupidity from those who worship Jordan like clowns. For the last 2 month's Pippen has been getting trashed but he's a man. Was he or Jordan men when they were crying about the pistons playing too rough?? Crying to the media. Crying to the commissioner until the flagrant foul rules were implemented to stop their crying?? Was Pippen a man when he wouldn't go into the game and Kukoc had you hit the shot?? Waa Rodman a man when Olajuwan averaged 40 on him in a series?? 90s nostalgia, they're just liars now
Your full of it😭😭that warriors team with Kd is beating the bulls buddy that’s not me being bias because I’m a lebron fan that’s just str8 reality. Nobody can guard Steph off the 3, nobody can guard KD anywhere on the court, and klay getting his shots up is dangerous. They’re not gonna guard Rodman and they’re gonna double Jordan it’s that simple 😂warriors is the greatest team ever
Exactly. Without him that bulls team still was within one game of another championship run. Adding the best player in the league made them unbeatable, but without him they were still the 2nd or 3rd best in the entire nba
The Goat needs to meet these qualifications. 1. Have the previous stars, current stars and next stars call you the goat. MJ had Magic and Bird say it and everyone in mj career called him that and everyone after plus kobe bryant. 2. Turn a Franchise around to be winners and not jumps teams who had A+ stars or demand certain players, but make the people on your team better. 3. Have seasons of crazy win-lose ratio. (The Bulls did) 4. Teams come up with rules just for you (pistons had the Jorden Rule. Other teams would rather lose to the bulls team and not have MJ be the one to beat them) 5. Don't do any fake flops (MJ NEVER)LJ did alot 6. Getting double, triple, quadruple teamed and still making the basket 7. Only reason to not play a game is if it was an injury/surgery. Which MJ missed 6 weeks from broken foot 1985 and he missed one game in Bulls’ sixth preseason contest in 1997-98 ingrown toenails 8. You changed the way the game was played.
lmao i do the same, just seeing shaqs reaction brings a smile to my face every time. he is so confused on how anybody could say that stuff with a strait face and mean it.
Only thing gsw is better than bulls is their 3 point shooting. Bulls achieved 72-10 run when they were many superstars. Gsw achieved 73-9 run during the time of end of many superstars (kobe,kg ray allen ,tim duncan, paul pierce,steve nash, nowitski,dwade)i.eOnly prime superstars were lebron, kd, cp3, melo .So don't compare gsw to Chicago bulls run.
I totally agree that the new era of basketball is something. However, the era of MJ shaped the game you know now. Also, if you will compare the game now vs. the game back then, it was a lot harder back then because there were few rules that protect the player. You gotta play tougher back then, And MJ? Every game that he had, had exceptional highlights. Come on now.. Some players nowadays just manipulate their stats, back then winning was first priority and everything follows.
let me know when MJ averaged a triple double in the finals, nope he didn't. Let me know when he's top 50 all time in points, rebounds and assists ... oh wait, only Lebron and Wilt. Lebron will also finish #1 all time in scoring and #4 in assists. Also, MJ played worse every round going deeper into the playoffs whereas Lebron improves. Each round MJ scored less, assisted less and turned over the ball more, Lebron scores more, assists more and turns over the ball less as the playoffs progress.
I've tried watching MJ highlights and they're honestly not entertaining at all, open mid-range shots and open threes. Then, obviously have to admit his flashy dunks were at least impressive, but overall not really impressed. I still do have him has #2 all time though because the numbers speak for themselves.
@@windandcloudshadow158 those dudes had no practice guarding elite perimeter players, Steph would cook them just like does now!! Also, people fail to realize the rest of his greatness.
But we are in a new era which is what Hollins is explaining we shoot more threes and space the floor much more than we used too way too much work on defense compared to back then I agree when he says the bulls would lose to the warriors it’s common sense my guy
Well Shaq was a big part of Kobe's success in his career when he played with LBJ he was mostly kind of useless..LBJ with a young dominant Shaq cud have probably done the same..I wont disrespect Kobe by saying they wud win more cause it clearly doesn't get bette than Kobe given that only two ppl ppl argue against him
I think we can safely trust Shaq's opinion, an NBA Legend, who played with/and/or against all three players over some dude who averaged 2 points per game.
Rodman shut prime Shaq down. He would be on KD making his life miserable. Dude was 6’7 210lbs so he wasn’t a big slow guy. He would smother KD. That leaves Scottie who I’d put on Curry and have Jordan on Klay. Warriors could dominate the soft era, but not the 96 Bulls. That squad goes 82-0 with these rules. Jordan takes 30 FTs a game alone to average 50ppg.
Shaq had a hand in all three of these great players. He played against MJ in the early part of his career, played with Kobe for a number of seasons, and played with LeBron in Cleveland. If there is anyone's opinion in this debate that matters, it would be his.
@@unaialday3902 i don't know who drink more patron you or hollins , you're 2 disrespect for kobe is annoying go check that man career again maybe you win more sense and some IQ , jesus lord take this type of mans of our world .
Royal Entei I’m definitely taking MJ, Lebron, Magic, Bill Russell and Wilt over him. I’d argue for Kareem and Shaq over him but if you really think he’s better than those first 5 guys...
If you didn't average at least 20 pts hell 10 pts a game through your career you dont need to be a NBA analysts. Shaq should of smacked his face off for disrespecting the goat and Kobe like that.
@@hhgvffvv2990 That's what I'm saying. He's scored more points than most people but that doesn't stop randoms from critiquing everything under the sun.
I disliked and the facts that Hollins trying to bring up that Mj hasn’t faced the warriors is so dumb. Sorry he played before our era??? ZERO game 7s is insane on top of being undefeated when it mattered the most
Shaq totally right about the era question. Context is everything... in the cupcake era, the warriors MIGHT be able to neutralise the Bulls but in the men's era, no way the warriors are going to be able to sustain the physicality, the hand checking from the juggernaut that the Bulls were. No question!
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Shaq's right. When you're ESPN and you employ guys like Ryan Hollins, you are telling ESPN viewers that you don't care about giving them top-notch sports analysis.
@@russell9411 seen both not sure if you did. Was having a conversation with some kid about dmx and j and he was way off, but it made sense cause he wasn’t around at the time. I say that to say this, stats don’t tell you the whole picture. You had to be there. Harper was an all star level player who’s defense was too notch. For all the stuff people say about Dennis offensively he could score if he needed too. He truly didn’t care about offense had he he could easily give you in the mid teens. Jordan’s a killer on both ends pippen one of the greatest defenders n have you 20. Kukoc could give you 20 and was a point forward as well. They had a bench that knew its roll. They had 2 snipers in Kerr n Burrell. Steph n klay are a special back court. Green would’ve been exposed. Kd is soft but we know he would get his for the most part and dudes like Livingston n ai the 2nd and had few other good bench players but they wouldn’t have been able to beat the bulls. We talk about the super teams. NBA been had super teams forever. The difference is that the players get together now instead of them being traded or drafted to make a super team.
This guy needs to remember that the piston’s head coach had a rule that whenever jordan is driving in the paint knock jordan down he dont care whatever happen just dont make jordan go inside the paint but still scored 30+pts lol then he’s telling that curry or klay can play in both era lol
First off, who the fuck is this guy never heard of him. Second did this man say not even MJ can fill Lebrons shoes?? Forget about the disrespect and disregard to Kobe. This man is on some bullshit. Now I know for sure first take will say anything to draw viewers.
Crazy how Shaq, who played with Lebron and Kobe and played against MJ says MJ is the best ever but this dude is acting like Shaq don’t know what he’s talking about trying to tell him Lebron is better than both.
Buddy Guyerson..... lol, how is he biased? Kobe is better than Lebron!!! And, it’s not even a debate MJ is the goat! Lebron will NEVER be the goat! Lebron would have to win this year and next to be as good or better than Kobe!!
The defense is very overrated and over hyped back then it was really tht physical if u go back and watch the games from tht era there jus a lot more punches thrown in scuffles
@@devshah480 just cuz they play physical domt mean ots good defense look at stats they literally the same except there less steals in today era cuz all the great ball handlers there this ain't 1990 bullshit basketball theis era is way ahead of back in the days
dumb jokes and name calling is all the jordan fanboys have to cling to, too scared to even have a legit debate because they know the difference between the bulls and warriors or jordan and lebron is nowhere near as big as they want to pretend it is. sad and pathetic really how you are so emotionally attached to your nostalgic memories taking such offense to differing opinions.
I love how Shaq said Kobe is in the discussion, but the other 2 just tried to just debate Mj vs LeBron. The media always disrespecting Kobe and his legacy.
bruh. Kobe is so overrated. His first chips are only because of shaq. And even his last 2, were against shitty teams and with a pau gasol that was better than Kobe.
I just got back from watching a FULL Bulls game from the 1993 finals. Sometimes Lebron fans convince me that maybe it's close, but then I watch Jordan, and Jordan is on another stratosphere than Lebron. It's not even close. If you don't understand yet, actually go back and watch full Bulls games in the finals. No one was near his level. You'll get it.
Thats the problem with these kids, they dont watch whole games, too busy ordering GrubHub or playing on twitter. They watch highlights, thats it, thats how they determine who is great. Also they love numbers. Eye test does not exist for them.
I lived it. In 93' I was 7 years old. I remember 4 out of 6 of the games in that finals. I vividly remember Jordan as a young child at his peak, from 91'-93. It's not even close, and it never will be.
Who has more rings ? Shaq or Kareem. LOL Well Kareem said MJ is not the goat. Dr J said MJ is not the goat. There are other former stars and superstars that say MJ is not the goat. LOL
HE NEVER HAD ANY!! I think he purposely says things like this to get attention and stay relevant because he knows if he just says actual FACTS he is just another voice in the crowd!! 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I fucken LOVE how much shaq defends Kobe’s honor, he’s like legit upset when someone doesn’t give Kobe the respect he deserves it’s so refreshing lol thank you Diesel.
@@maverickrod2443 Shaq been loved kobe. That's my guy but he fckd up snitching on his boy and shaq never dogged him like he could of. Love when he speaks on Kobe that guy is the best since MJ and don't forget Duncan.
just imagine dennis rodman on green, pippen on clay, harper on curry, and jordan on durant bulls would win dennis rodman would frustrate green so much that green would be in foul trouble every game
Shaq ain't NEVER coming after this disrespect on Kobe & MJ.... Ryan Hollins should be arrested & prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for this statement
That guy said the Warriors would “run circles” around the Bulls team, arguably the greatest defensive team of all time. He immediately lost all credibility after making that statement
Modern era are about screens and off ball movement , jordan iso plays are really different. Modern and old playstyle are different to each other. And i am sure bulls would have hard time running catching klay and curry. You talking like they are not a 3 time champions
@@brotherdcp-t710w4 allowing the bulls to play a zone as they're allowed now would hold the warrior to 100pts or less every game... I'm only saying 100 cause the sun shines on a dogs ass every now n then... all they did was run back then.. and they run through screens... not around
@@brotherdcp-t710w4 Triangle offense says hello. Harper and Jordan have no trouble keeping up with Curry and Klay. Switching out Pippen or Rodman on them from screens isn't a problem. If you don't realize Green is ejected by the 2nd quarters of the games. Playing Bulls era rules, Curry won't last the physicality. Playing Warriors era rules Jordan scores on almost every trip down the court.
Love it how pumped up Shaq was when Ryan said the name of Harp when asked who's guarding Steph. Harp is as good defensively and offensively. He is a big PG who can lockdown Guards his size, and remember... He adjusted his game to focus on Defense because he knew MJ will take care of the load offensively. This dude averaged 20ppg early in his career but he knows his role with the bulls.
