Thanks for watching ya’ll it was a pleasure hosting the UNDECIDED series. How I like to think of the UNDECIDED group is potentially many of you watching and in the comment section. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Shout out to the FIRST Jubilee moderator that truly did an amazing job moderating and defending all people answering. Bring this guy on a lot more please
I used to like when Jubilee would provide a 'fact check' when people throw out random statistics/facts. If you could bring that back in the future, it would help your content a lot!
Yess they need to do this! It’d get rid of any “facts” that were thrown out during the debate that us, the viewers, could believe as true and lead to even more misinformation.
To be honest, I'm disappointed that they didn't point out the following two things: 1. That the American Psychiatric Association (which publishes the now-aging DSM-5) no longer considers being transgender to be a mental disorder. They just list 'gender dysphoria' which they define as "clinically significant distress or impairment *related to* gender incongruence" (i.e. not the gender incongruence itself, since they recognize that not all trans people live with dysphoria). Similarly, the World Health Organization (which published the 11th edition of the International Classification of Diseases in 2022) no longer considers 'gender incongruence' to be a mental disorder, point blank. 2. That post-mortem and in-vivo studies have consistently found (and are still finding) that the brains of transgender people are much more similar, functionally and structurally, to the brains of the gender they identify with than the brains of the gender they were assigned at birth. This is true even in trans people who have *yet* to undergo any pharmaceuticals or other medical procedures. The understanding here is that one's prenatally-established "brain sex" (which can be different from one's "corporeal sex", since they are hit by sëx hormones at different times during a pregnancy) is what is also also informing one's gender identity.
@@marmar90000 1. The APA stated plainly that they reclassified in order to reduce stigma. It's still treated like any other mental disorder with clinical intervention. This was a political act by the APA and I've researched this thoroughly. 2. Give me the DOI of one study that claims this. I've reviewed hundreds of studies and none of them have stated "brains of transgender people are much more similar, functionally and structurally, to the brains of the gender they identify with". In fact the most recent study I reviewed on this concluded a "unique brain phenotype". i.e. specific parts of brain anatomy, some yes, some no. And it's all a nothingburger anyway as that's not a diagnostic criteria, and "trans" is an umbrella term and not the same as suffering from GD.
If there’s going to be an “undecided” group, there shouldn’t be any personal biases; the girl whose cousin is trans and is very important to her, I wouldn’t consider her undecided.
My thought exactly, she was never undecided and she was trying to correct the conservative is evidence that she was not there to form an opinion. Don't forget she self identified as Queer in the video, sorry but thats a bias...
@@emg.9246 that’s absolutely not true, no one starts medically transitioning at 7, there’s no reason to intervene medically at that age. It’s only when puberty begins that medical intervention becomes necessary.
@@zoeybarter3246 perhaps they meant pubity blockers? This is a form of intervention that is intended at the age of pubity starting or before it. Girls can easily begin menstruations at 8/9
Dylan won woman of the year and I don’t know why they would bleep Dylan’s name out. I’m avoiding pronouns because to me it seems like this is Dylan’s latest desperate ploy to get clout. He has a history of humiliating and degrading himself for attention.
Majority of the medical community and the top of the top in their fields tend to not be conservative side, considering the conservatives only have misinformation as their information. Conservative side shouldn't have much of a say due to their lack of knowledge
Yes, except I would prefer if they did not choose blue / red (liberal / conservative), even if it's much more likely to have their politics align with the side on the topic, we may have some for whom it does not apply : )
This kind of concept can only work with few things as liberals and conservatives already have a well known and picked color but there’s not colors for things like flat earthers vs scientists etc
I don’t think it should automatically be separated into liberal vs conservative, it’s an unnecessary divide when there are people all over the political spectrum who agree or disagree on this topic.
I was thinking the same thing! They need to stop doing the liberals vs conservative in these debates because it takes away from the topic of discussion. It should be separated between agree vs disagree
Yes! I’m a liberal who doesn’t believe that minors should transition medically! I think if a minor thinks they’re trans they should try to dress up as the other gender, change their pronouns, and see how they feel about changing their gender and then decide as adults if that works out
@@smileyface8057 that is literally what transitioning is for kids though. They are not eligible for a sex change surgeries until they are 16/18. Everyone agrees that kids shouldn't get bottom surgery, and no one is advocating to change that
@@inspiwo I agree with you fully. Present how you want, express yourself in whatever way makes you happy, go by a different name, fine. That's all healthy experimentation. But medically transitioning crosses the line big time.
@@justsomerandomname2067 As someone who has lived with clinical, diagnosed gender dysphoria for the past 4 years, it is not the medication that CHILDREN need. Absolutely not. DBT, CBT, and many other psychotherapies have been proven to significantly improve and treat GD. It is actually the recommended treatment for juvenile GD, not medicalization.
@@karen5916 i think that we should advocate for a system that will try therapy and antidepressants first. And if that doesnt help, and the childs symptoms fit the GD diagnostic criteria better than any other mental illness, then the child should be given the option of HRT and/or blockers if they have reached puberty (with the advice and supervision of doctors ofc)
The bio-Anthropology is what really hit me when she says "assumed gender" smh... At this point the whole trans movement isn't going to stop by any means necessary to facts and concrete evidence at all, which makes a big huge difference at actual evidential proof to biology and any scientific evidential physical proof that can prove them wrong. They just want to try their best to manipulate anything to prove a mental crisis of dysphoria which has nothing to do with reality whatsoever
the girl with the glasses was never undecided she knew which side she was gonna go on each time 😭 next time make sure everyone is open minded and doesn’t just agree with one side
Typical conservative comment. "OMG 1 person choose liberal over conservative, even though she went undecided once and conservative once, and 2 went conservative!!!11!!! How in the world can't everyone be conservative1!!!11"
@@sknight8621well it’s kind of fallacious of you to assume u know what she based her decisions on when u aren’t inside her mind. whether u agree or not, she admit she has someone close to her who is trans and that is definitely going to sway her opinions.
Sara and Arthur are both conservatives, but are still clearly different on exactly what their opinions of trans people are. A debate between the two would be killer
I’m someone who socially transitioned at 15, medically at 18. The issue is so complex, and unfortunately we don’t have the data to fully support either side. That being said, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a social transition. But ultimately, this should be looked at on a case by case basis. Every individual is different and varies in the severity of their dysphoria and how they cope with it.
I don’t feel like there is anything wrong with socially transitioning, that is easily reversible, has no long-lasting damages, while also giving a trial run basically. What I do have an issue with is surgeries, which have been addressed, but also puberty blockers. Both are harmful long term, and I don’t care how many people use no evidence and say that puberty blockers cause no long term damage, because stopping our bodies largest period of change does not go without consequences.
puberty blockers take several years to cause any noticeable harm, which said harm goes away shortly after stopping the blockers. Puberty blockers ARE NOT something you take for decades, which is common sense. You take them to stop puberty then when you and your medical provider are ready you take the respective hormone and force the opposite puberty that way. As for surgeries it's genuinely such a small portion of the population that are even eligible for bottom surgery before they're 18. It's to the point where it'd be more relevant to talk about stopping children from getting struck by lightning each year. You're talking about tens of people
BRO WHAT? Kiara seriously did not come on here undecided. She literally just states that she couldn’t go to the conservative side in order to not offend her trans cousin. Do not bring her back.
Same here. I am not really sure how Kiara is undecided and was selected as part of the undecided group. Throughout watching I felt like she already had her view formed and wanted to argue with the Conservative side rather than take in new arguments. Personally, the undecided group should be individuals who are politically neutral or central. It makes more sense that way.
Exactly! I was going to say! After the embarrassing mess that was Blossom/NB chaos where the trans conservatives wiped the floor with the liberals by using logic, seems like an interesting time to insert a new formula that can soften the logic.
Antidepressants will never work unless you do. I was on them for years. Nothing changed. Ever. Until I changed what I was doing in my life and finding what made me happy outside of abusing drugs. Getting my ADHD/OCD addressed. Going to therapy, work, and doing the things that made me happy. Is how I got happy.
@@artandme_ Research doesn't lie, especially the antidepresant research. Many showing less than 50% efficasy. Which in the pharma industry is considered to be a failure. Yet they cost fractions of pennies to manufacture and when people try to quit they have horrible side effects. Not trying to snare anyone off of them, but I was on them and it helped nothing. Im happier then ever off of them. I had to make real life changes. Hoping some clinically ineffective pill to change my socioeconomic circumstances is absolutely ridiculous.
@@sd7785 They didnt work for me... you have to work for yourself. They didn't do anything for me. But I wasn't waiting around doing nothing but hoping these placebos will change your life. Only you can.
I think it was more so about picking and choosing what children are “responsible” enough to do because how can they become legally emancipated, or employed, or behind a vehicle but they can’t make a fundamental decision about who they are internally. We may not know what we want to be when we grow up but we know who we are instinctively and I think that’s just wrong to put certain restrictions on kids in the name of discrimination
The moderator did wonderful in this video. Not interrupting and forcing the members to stop the topic due to not reaching a middle ground. Please keep this guy around, his channel just received a new subscriber!
@@GEN you the goat 🐐 I pray for your further success and blessings. You work hard at what you do and it can't be easy processing both sides as well as you do. I hope one day I see you doing journalism in my later years telling my kids that you've been legit since day one.
the problem with this whole discussion is that there is no certainty that they arent just lying or basing their opinion on false information they just accepted because of their bias.
@@lilmissmonsterrrI agree with you there, we truly needed an actual 3 person group that is undecided. Hopefully next time, there will really be a full unbiased side.
That's the biggest problem with the trans issue. One side of the issue believes that gender is separate from biological sex, and the other believes that they both coexist. You can't really come to a middleground when the two sides are operating on a completely different foundation.
It's not really talking about sex vs. Gender, most of this is about minors transitioning. Most people agree that adults have free reign to do what they want with their body as long as they aren't hurting someone else
Kiara clearly wasn't undecided. She had a side and came on the show to support it till the end. That being said, I don't think because one changed sides midway meant their entire view had changed midway, but rather that on that particular issue they leaned more towards one to the other
@@cinder7258They were supposed to be undecided on the topic and asked who they agreed with after the conversation. She clearly had a liberal bias. She even mentioned that she agreed with the liberal side because she has a trans friend.
that was my worry going in for this concept ... that most people would already come in with their own biases from experiences and whatever media they consume. it'll be very difficult to find someone who is truly unbiased and undecided...
No sh1t. You're dealing with real people, not mindless drones. You're upset because you haven't found someone who will magically fall for the debate bullsh1t. Go cry
Bringing Sara for this Middle Ground is such a smart decision. She was the most grounded in the previous Trans Conservative vs Trans Liberals discussion.
shoutout to Sara for sitting on the conservative side and speaking to the reality of the situation at hand while still remaining kind, empathetic, and compassionate.
Gen was an excellent choice as moderator. So nice to have the conversation remain on topic and in control. A lot more information was shared in this format.
Sara was definitely the best debater. She didn't get emotional or judgmental, she didn't bring religion into it, and even though she had plenty of personal experience, she relied on studies and data to support her points. She also didn't make any snide remarks or roll her eyes or make faces, which are annoying and distracting. And from what I've seen of her in previous debates, she seems to be extremely knowledgable and would be the person I trust the most. THANK YOU SARA (and thank you for your service)
The moderator did a much better job at this then they did at the Trans Liberal Vs Trans Conservatives Debate despite both debates being filmed on the same day.
because that moderator had an obvious anti-conservative bias and it showed even though the conservatives slayed the debate regardless of their attempts at being silenced.
@@barbrothers2 Yeah, that Indian woman is hella racist against whites and conservatives. It is kinda wild to see how racist many western born people of Asian heritage are towards white while ironically exclusively dating them. It really shows how being trans and racist are social contagions and trends of the times.
Yes however they did say that there something like part of the comments section sure they can have their own bias but they're not decided in one side entirely also they are technically undecided cause the decided team influences their opinion
Please bring out more fact-checking Moderators to the mix. You can't just have people spout out complete lies in a debate like this, and not have it adressed... One person was claiming trans people get worse health and mental issues after transitioning, and cited a study made in denmark of the same year. However, that's not what the study was about at all. It simply compared mental health between any transitioning trans person to CIS people. All the study is about and found out, is that trans people still overall face discrimination and higher rates of depression than the average population, but not at all transitioning making your mental health worse...
@@jakedarang Can you give me any study that says so? All studies Literally say that there is an improvement. I believe what you are misinterpretating in some studies, is them saying they still have worse mental health than cis people on average, not worse mental health than pre-transition trans people on average. I have seen this same mistake/misinformation spread around a lot already, so you should maybe fact-check what you have been told again.
Unfortunately the problem with this is that the undecided group wasn't really undecided. It's not your fault though. Finding people that haven't thought at all about these widespread societal battleground issues would be really difficult.
Yeah I feel like they chose very passionate individuals for the undecided group, which is fine considering it's probably hard to get applicants or volunteers that aren't already well versed, but I feel like I expected them to just be average Joes, and I feel like that would make for a better environment. If we got average people to decide, they wouldn't have as many biases like the girl that had a trans friend.
@@itsLantikthey could do a social media check on future undecided participants, if they look truly unrelated to the topic and has no takes they would be better.
Agreed. I really liked the discussion this episode but the undecided group wasn't needed nor added much in my opinion. They just need to do middle ground with ACTUAL moderation like Gen did here.
It's not very difficult to use a person who doesn't have a super close trans cousin to represent an undecided panel in a debate about trans/gender politics. It's really not.
she literally went to the conservative once and decided as well...did you watch the video or just the first 5 minutes? you wont talk about the other girl who went to the conservative side all but once...don't be a hypocrite
@@snailcheeseyoutube Yeah, I just watched five minutes (insert eye roll) . The other girl had logic and reasoning behind her decisions while Kiara used primarily emotions. Kiara even said she knows someone who is trans, which clearly demonstrated her bias. She couldn’t even repeat talking points correctly. Stop being ignorant.
Why is it wrong to go off emotion though? It's a fact that human emotions influence decisions. Also you're never gonna get a purely neutral person on one of these panels no matter what.
@@Cutie..Patootie If all decision went based off emotion* the world would have ended, logic is needed. This is why you can request the court to change your judge if they are just being emotional or impartial towards you. Edit put logic instead of emotion.
It's funny how you call out other people's bias then clearly expose yours, again I looked at this video and analyzed both sides. The liberal side definitely could've cited accurate facts and it costed them the argument not to do so, as much as it may suck to realize this transitioning does work (minors can't physically transition in the U.S) look up facts..they just postpone puberty they can choose to transition once they're 18
Arthur is so disrespectful, showing your annoyance is so immature. However the most annoying thing is that he treats any opinion as false thing is that he is passionate and does care about others as far as I can see in the video
Ita annoying asf when ppl try to pass off feelings as facts. Yes an opinion can be false. Facts are never false. And it’s a biological fact that even with medical transition it doesn’t change the s3x you were born as at birth🤷🏼♀️
@@emg.9246 yes, thank you for pointing that out. now that we've covered something that everyone knows.... how do we ACTUALLY deal with the issue of gender dysphoria in an effective way? maybe with a method that has been shown to work through statistics and fact, such as letting people transition, since i have a feeling that just yelling "you can never change your biological sex at birth!" into their ears won't help all too much
@@emg.9246no trans person is denying their sex at birth. if anything theyre hyper aware of it. but with years of transition it'd be ridiculous to call them by their birth sex
@@mirmir0003agreed. Conservatives talk as if they decide which pronounce to use based on individuals’ bone structure and chromosomes. Let’s show them pics of trans people (especially those who “pass” as cis.)
@@_CetarialIt depends on the person tbh, there are extremes on both sides and even then there are people cable of not getting too emotional about the issues.
Saying gender dysphoria is a mental disorder should not be considered bad, as it is not a judgment, it is merely stating a fact. It's the same as saying people with OCD or depression or anxiety have a mental disorder, there's nothing wrong with having these illnesses. Anyone who suffer from these mental illnesses deserve treatment and care and understanding.
i agree with u but like the 2 conservative guys just kept trying to act like trans people don’t exist in front of all these trans people and kept acting like as if they went through gender dysphoria and knew exactly what can cure it. their idea of a “mental disorder” is just them saying that a couple therapy sessions can heal it and all of trans ppl transitioned as a “trend” . i think that’s why the other side disagreed. but i mean sara was the only respectful one from the conservatives and idk why would they bring those totally transphobic guys into a discussion like that.
@@ali_1307he’s is not transphobic - he knows transpeople physically exist. He doesn’t agree with your new definitions of things. Transpeople are humans, they exist. They believe to be in the wrong body. they exist. He disagrees with the treatment and the assumptions made based on those facts.
He is not afraid ( phobic ) of transpeople. He doesn’t hate them, he thinks they are mistaken about the treatment options and their beliefs. The sentence “ he doesn’t believe they exist” is so weird
@@janakugel3456 idk if u exactly know what transphobia means , it’s not ‘afraid’ , it’s the hate and the unacceptance of transgenderism. and by the sentence “he thinks trans ppl don’t exist” i mean that he thinks that gender dysphoria and trans ppls’ journey is a delusion and that nothing like that rlly exists naturally, it’s just a trend. that’s what i mean.
@@ali_1307eh you can heavily depate what "transphobic" is. Does only hating on trans people mean you're transphobic? Or is having a different opinion about the gender social concept as a whole, while leaving trans people alone transphobic as well? I personally find it problematic if people consider the second option transphobic as well, as it hinders any development in those specific fields. Remember only because people criticized the idea of the existence of 2 genders did we get to today. That's why I think constructive criticism to anything is not wrong.
Arthur is such a hypocrite. He claims his views come from an ethical standpoint.. but then demonstrates that actually he has a complete lack of empathy. After Tammy tells her story about both her children, he totally ignores it and starts digging into the semantics, he doesn't even look at her. Watch how he corrects Kiara twice - he's getting a little kick out of making her amend her language. Is this not the exact behaviour he claims to condemn?
at least for every argument that he makes, he states it with a fact or a real-life story unlike the liberal side which just full of opinions but barely any facts or examples stated
Showing empathy =/= to being ethical, and vise versa. You can empathize with the worst kinda of person, and you can emphathize with one person and not another.
If I remember correctly the swedish studies the guy in glasses cited are the ones usually used by conservatives in a disingenuous manner. The studies did research on trans kids who experienced bullying due to transitioning. The study AIMED to show that social acceptance is a strong variable in the mental health of trans individuals. Though sadly, I don't imagine Jubilee could cover all this in a tiny box on the corner of the screen
@@eluna34 These whole "organizations" are partisan hacks. Their modus operandus is: presidential candidate Xclaims, "I walk my dog most days"; "fact-checking" organization F, that is hostile to X, responds, "X has never walked their dog on a Sunday. Verdict: mostly false".
@@lanam6459 where did you land on the topics then? because if you play the pronoun game then we can likely predict where you stand with a high probability of success.
This doesn’t happen because people like me who were liberals as children changed to conservatives as an adult Liberalism is easy when you have no worries of your own
Arthur's not wrong. His delivery is too aggressive and people shut down with that but even with DSD there is one of two sexes within those chromosomes. The difference in DSD is that there may be a deletion or addition or a mutation but there is still a defined sex that you can't argue. The problem arises when fact or scientific fact is denied and the fantastical is defaulted to.
Liberal, conservative, center, none- we can all agree the last Jubilee was an embarrassment and an example to how NOT to host a debate. THIS however, excellently done. GEN did a great job as a mediator and both sides had their time, excellent points and above all maturity
@@cinnamondan4984 I think it was the one with Blair White and the other transgender people. Trans conservatives vs Trans liberals. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Minors should be supervised. They're still quite young to be making such big decisions without being first consulted. They can't be rushing into things knowing that they will potentially regret it later.
@@ArthurCSchaperMR exploring clothes and your identity is normal at high-school also people who social transition can still be in the closet with their parents. you're disgusting for thinking wearing a piece of clothes and changing a few words is shattering your world.they can decide if it's nor for them it isn't permanent.
@@mrnorthz9373 that is clearly not what I said, genius. Now explain to me why this necessarily HAS to be a natural process. Basically no healthcare measure we have is natural, but now suddenly hormone replacement therapy is bad because it is not natural?
@@toasteroven45 He seems to be desperate for attention. People like him shouldn't be brought on for this stuff, it only encourages their disturbing obsessive behavior.
Arthur doesn't seem interested in a real discussion. He's not talking *to* the other side, but talking *AT* them. I have mixed feelings on this issue, but that would really put me off.
Feelings are also important to make important decisions. It's what makes us human. And rationality is not the only path for truth. Stop demonizing emotions because they are a fundamental part of who we are and the human experience, and they guide us in important instances of our lives.
@@gobsmr the moment you state that "learning and being objective" implicates not considering or basing your arguments on feelings, yes, you're demonizing them. You can't understand the trans issue without taking into account feelings. It's a fundamental aspect to experience and consider in order to be "objetive" and actually learn.
@@gobsmr i will never understand this arguement. feelings matter. if feelings didnt matter, then a lot of terrible, horrible things would be ok bc feelings dont matter. (like bullying or catcalling)
Although the "undecided group" was interesting to have, they were not "undecided", but rather already had a certain opinion on the topics. I think it would be better to have people within the "undecided group" that only evaluate what they've heard without regarding their own arguments and opinions.
Yes, if would've been much better if the undecided folks were actually undecided 🤪 The only one who felt truly undecided and neutral was the guy. He seemed like he was in a position of taking in both sides fairly and analyzing them with somewhat unbiased logic.
@stinky9067it's not very difficult to choose a person who doesn't have a super close trans cousin to represent an undecided panel on trans/gender politics.
@@lilmissmonsterrr That's true, though there aren't many people capable of veering outside of their own opinions like the OG comment is vouching for, as opinions about serious topics tend to be rooted in a persons value system and typically results in someone either becoming angry due to the perceived devaluation of their sense of self (opinion) or the inability to view a perspective outside of one's own. Very few people analyze their own thoughts with intense consideration, even fewer analyze the thoughts of others. it may be easier to straight up find someone that hasn't built an in depth opinion on this topic.
@@lilmissmonsterrr I actually think about it the opposite way. The only DECIDED person was the girl with the glasses. She was clearly liberal and could not separate herself from her own pov. The other two were awesome at being objective.
Facts can still be interpreted in different ways. Jubilee doesn't want to take one side and say one side is factual and one isn't. Theres often nuance in the middle.For example, if black men are arrested at a higher rate than white men that could be 100% fact, but does that mean it is 100% fact the reason is racism, no. If that were true then you could relate the fact that men are arrested at a higher rate than women, but that would mean the only reason could be that police are also sexist.
The last trans discussion was a hot mess. Jubilee did not fail to disappoint with this new format of middle ground. The moderator was amazing, unbiased, and I like how he challenged both sides to expand on their points and fill the holes in their reasoning.
School shouldn’t just ignore entire groups of people. They exist. And whether their parents like it or not they are going to encounter these people in their daily lives. Giving them unbiased simple explanations is not indoctrination. It’s just representation. Families are still families if they have two moms or two dads. The cashier that has long hair and dresses feminine but has male characteristics too might be exploring their own gender identity and that’s completely fine. They are still a person worthy of respect. That’s the kind of stuff schools should teach. There is no bias when just explaining things. No one needs to tell them that they should be this way or that way. Only that lots of different kinds of people exist and they are all worthy of respect and kindness. And to the trans kid that doesn’t yet know why they feel the way they feel it can go a long way to helping them realize that whatever is going on they are a normal part of humanity and just as special and important a life as anyone else in their class.
literally it’s those types of parents that shelter their kids so much from reality, then wonder why their kids go overboard when they have the freedom to explore the real world.
It’s also irrelevant because parent slips are always passed out when there’s going to be sex Ed. At the end of the day…it’s up to the parents to make the choice for their kids.
Jubilee, at least, opens the door to conversation vs. just arguing or demonizing the other side. A few questions for you. If you had a teenage friend who wanted to transition, you supported them, and they came to regret it, terribly, many years later, what would you say to them? Should they have waited until adulthood when their brain was more fully developed and the stresses of adolescence were reduced? Do you really support someone into believing they can change into something that they will never truly be? Put another way, what if your friend wanted to transition into an animal? Or a male and female with both genitalia? Where do you draw the line and finally say that you are simply your biological sex and you can be as feminine or masculine as you want to be? Why can’t support be in NOT changing into something you are not? The regret of those who transitioned is a huge crash back to reality because these tormented souls realize that transitioning will never alter their DNA. Yet, we keep propagating the lie like these people can truly be changed. We seem to care way more about being viewed as empathetic than doing what is actually best for the patient long term….years down the road.
@@ethandollarhide7943 The difference is that you can one day decide that you no longer want to be Christian. You can do it instantly actually. You can also decide your sexuality whenever you want. But you cannot change your hormones and build back years of physical development whenever you want, that takes a very long time to change if it is even possible. Not mad at you btw, but your argument does not hold up.
Agreed, as a liberal, Sarah was the only conservative I enjoyed because she was well-spoken and wasn't rude. She heard what everyone had to say and didn't make discourteous facial expressions or interrupt when others were talking.
Transphobic nonsense for an audience of cis people who don’t know any better. The moderator very clearly had transphobic views of his own. Please educate yourself.
@@zoeybarter3246 What are you even talking about? What transphobic views did either portray? Don't use words like that so loosely before it loses its meaning
@@denzellmoviesit’s not genetic If you have a genetic predisposition that makes you have “gender dysphoria” Wouldn’t this be a genetic disease since the comorbidity is so high ?
Medically.. absolutely not. The fact that you can’t even drink until your 21 or get a tattoo till your 18.. why would a major decision such as this be allowed. Maturity is under developed as well. So no. I personally wouldn’t allow my children to do that. Or child. If they wanted to dress more masculine appearing or feminine appearing, that’s perfectly fine. I wholly believe in self expression and I think that’s appropriate until they’re of age to make their own decisions.
@@ShadowIsABabywhat??? as a person in my 20s WITH A CHILD i was 100% not more mature as a child. there is no way i should’ve been able to make a permanent decision about ANYTHING regarding my body as a minor. If someone let me shave my head at 13 i would’ve and 100% regretted it.
why is the conservative guy denying when the undecided girl said "youre trying to influence the way i think" like isnt that the whole point of the video
its obvious what the end goal is this... if a kid can consent to a "sex change" then they would be able to consent to just sex... thats the end goal of these lunatics
Thank you so much for saying that! That's something I think we in the west really need to be more aware of, that the world is so much bigger than just us and our culture. There's space for all of us in this era of globalisation, we just need to be more willing to hear and make space for those who differ from us. All cultures are beautiful!
as a child of immigrants, i highly disagree. if someone wants to move to a country, they should be prepared to integrate with the values of that country. if they want to keep all their traditional mindsets, why move? why bring their children to a new country and then demonize the values of that country? assimilation is highly important to immigrants and children of immigrants. and i'm not saying that in relation to the trans issue. but any american values.
@@ShesEvelyneGoldsmytheI'm glad you called that out. Most of the world is actually conservative and the parents usually have control. Especially in the East. That mother was way off on this topic.
@@jesss101The thing is, they might not want to move but have to. For example, what if the country they're living is in civil war where normal livelihood are not possible. I don't know the reason your parents moved but many families in my country tried to move overseas because it is near impossible to make living especially in areas of conflicts. They will have to accept the law and regulations of the country they moved but might still want to keep their culture and beliefs at least in their own family.
Minors are still growing and developing every day. Im pretty independent about my beliefs and ideologies, but i think its dangerous to let children to transition at such a young age because that could mess with their anatomy in their early adult life. If a minor feels more like this or that, then they can feel that way, but i dont think they should get any procedures or surgeries done until they become more mature or an adequate adult age (18+)
They don’t though, minors transitioning is limited to name, pronouns and dress, and well as possibly puberty blockers with the supervision of a doctor. On rare occasions you might get a breast reduction but cisgender girls may also do that if advised by a doctor.
@nualawillman8735 nope. Surgeries in minors are happening more often nowadays. Look up Jazz Jennings' whose MtF genital transition at age 17 is posted here on YT. Anyway, even in the general population, we are becoming more superficial than ever before. For example, all the young people getting BBL (Brazilian butt lift) even though it has led to complications for many, and even death for some.
Certain individuals aside I think I agree that these people had more in common than they realised. I am all for gender affirmation but also it's important to consider the age range. Children below 16 should not be allowed to have physical procedures done to them but at the same time their identity should be respected by by other types of affirmations like using proper pronouns and letting them dress and present themselves the way they want.
There’s no reason not to put a trans kid on puberty blockers. They’re entirely reversible, trans kids are not given cross sex hormones until they are at least 16.
