Should We Unhitch Sexual Morality From the Bible? Investigating Andy Stanley's LGBT Views 

Mike can you do a review on Stanley's book "Irresistible"? Because my pastor uses that book as a guide to run a church.

Agreed. Not a surprise, especially after watching his conversation with Jeff Durbin in the Unbelievable Podcast about "unhitching".

Great to see you here, Mike. And thanks for flagging this talk. 🙏🙏

Pastor Mike, I'm a subscriber of yours and find it interesting the close circle of you tube creators. Here's my thought, please critique. I feel the Andy Stanley and those who are alike have fallen prey to "toxic empathy." I'm not sure if I've heard this term elsewhere or coined it myself, but toxic empathy is when empathy to the pain of others leads them or others away from truth and into sin. (Perhaps you can refine the definition) I get it, Andy probably has a multitude of people with same sex attraction, and he cares for them so much that his empathy has convinced him to rationalize.

Yeah, Wingman. You would be humorous if you weren't as dangerous to the body as you fear other "teachers" (theologians, for what else is a teacher?) to be. Stick to the basics. Read your C. S. Lewis for crying out loud. How many times have I listened to you slog through stuff he said better, more clearly, and certainly in fewer words. All your commenters are yes men, or worse "women always learning." Go Mike! cheerleaders. There are others, whose stock is up, while poor Pentecost is in real bear territory, (Bye Bye Benny), such as brother Minor (major on them!), a truer Roundhead than you who at least gives lip service to "continuationism" like your mentor, like it or not he is, Chuck Line by Line Smith. A God-please cannot be a man pleaser. Teach Pauline doctrine, which was given to him by special revelation, and is not strictly speaking found anywhere in the Judaic text. For example, how the law, connected to those "weak and beggarly elements" of the universe was "administered" (governed and promulgated) by angels! Three witnesses attest, in good legal fashion: 1. Stephen, martyr number one 2. Paul, rabbi of the new covenant 3. The author of Hebrews, who knows some things: a. Jesus is better than the "angels" b. His covenant is better than the load no forefather could bear c. That soul and spirit are different! and made separate by that thing you "Sola Scriptura" Pharisees talk about, but don't understand: "the word of God" Many things you do well, and better than anyone else, which is why I stab you: "Faithful are the wounds of a friend."

So glad that you've decided that Jesus is worth surrendering your all for. He is so wonderful and so worth of our complete devotion. He will continue to strengthen you, as you keep on putting Him first.

What do you say to the person who has repented, surrendered to Jesus, even married the opposite sex and is still attracted to same sex. Do we condem and ostricise them?? Or do we show love and mercy and accept them as "who God made them to be". If the church can't show grace, we are no better than the Pharasees.

@wisedyes yeah that's what I was saying, sometimes the new man is still attracted to the same sex. They aren't in sin if they don't follow through with their temptation. Absolutely show them love and mercy and support them in every way.

@@wisedyes God never made them to be any more than He made us with any other sin. Homosexuality is from the fall.

@@gemmabramley3748 So it's ok to be same sex attracted. Just deny your feelings. Sounds like hell. How about do it in a comitted relationship??

Amen. Jesus said go and sin no more.

Were the... relationships... in Deuteronomy 21:11, and Exodus 21, also sinful, then? And fully, consensual?

Amen

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@@TheShiningEnergy 20:55

That is incredible!!! Thank you for letting me know! Please go let the pastors know what happened to you!

I hurt with you. Romans 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. I am forever praising and believing Jesus is the Christ, and this is pleasing to God.

I was saved listening to him on the radio. He was such an amazingly good pastor. I was at church every time the door was open. It was an amazing 3 years as a new Christian. I pray that God will let me know how to pray for him and maybe call or email him. He is lost. I have been watching this from afar for 3 years. I moved 3 years after I got saved and have lived in another state. Lord, what does his wife think…his kids…his dad…

I'm so sorry. Seeing people we trust walk in false teaching is hard. Praying that God will comfort you

@@elijahmcgrath5918 I am tempted to call or email and explain my fears as a sister in the Lord and remind him how God used him in my life.

@@elijahmcgrath5918 was he even a Christian then? Or just Charles Stanley’s son?

Preach

I’m praying for you today. Praying you have a good day today.

Right!

May we agree in prayer right now for your continued protection, improvement of symptoms and victory over the world (and "the weak and beggarly elements" thereof)? And also for your family, that all would be saved, filled with the Spirit, empowered to serve in peace with God and fellowship one with another. May revelation, peace, mercy, healing, success in ministry and good fruits in the graces of the Spirit and the power of the Gospel abound to you and your loved ones now and for the future, according to this promise of the holy scripture: "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, you and your house."

Well said! We ALL GIVE UP and sacrifice for Jesus. Every one of us.

Keep pressing on brother. When you see Jesus, He will say “well done my good and faithful servant.”

That is awesome Martin! So refreshing in these times! You are a model of God’s power and intent! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼✝️

I knew there were Christians out there like you! Thanks for sharing your perspective. A person may not be able to control his attractions, but he can always choose to follow God. Not easy, but it’s what all believers are called to do. Praying that you find a church home that upholds the Word of God and welcomes you like family. 🙏🏽

Brother! Praying for continued strength!

Thanks 👍

Thanks Alisa!

Thank you!

Nice work, How about also calling out the vast amount of Heretical apostasy on RU-vid? I’d help with that, there’s too much, and its grievous.

People need discernment ministry because most don’t read God’s Word and they fall for false teachings.

Little penguins with guns. So cute. Someone has to do it.

Part of this problem is that among Christians there is a juvenile idea about sex generally. People think they are going to find a “savior” in a heterosexual partner, That God kind of “owes us” fulfillment of sexual desires we may have. This is something pathetically very very common among many Christians.

If you don’t want to teach children, don’t have children.

Praying for you! We are all in a dire place. God bless you.

Absolutely heart breaking …. Gut wrenching. He baptized me in his dad’s church.

and why would you want a person to live in denial and unhappy relationship that would cause them misery why you want that person to live in hell with a person they dont love nor are attracted to

My heart breaks for Charles too. 💔

Really? Is that something happening right now?

@@tpw7250 Absolutely yes. Europe overall is falling into apostate Christianity. It’s so bad that some biblically sound American churches have sent missionaries over to preach to the increasingly secularized culture and help remaining believers create faithful churches.

This is a grief! I'm from France this issue is raging! Here Lutheran , calvinists and Free evangelic church are celebrating LG "union" and they ordained "a L couple" as Pastors in Montpellier. After a synode the Belgium free evangelical churches issued a statement to break free from the decision that : the Unified reformed church (calvinists, lutherans and free evangelical churches) position to affirm LGBTQ etc. Was not sustainable. A minorité of pastors from Lutherans churches founded the " protestant and attestant movement " i.e: we're protestant against the Roman Catholic and attesting the truth of the scriptures and thus not affirming and some condemning. This has to stop! We caannot be a minority to attest that the holy scriptures are true! It's crazy!

@@Window4503 see my comment above about what went on in France !

@ Pamela Womack you should you and the christians against, get involved in the synodal process. I believe the Church of England works that way! You should begin to create a lobbying group to have impact on the process + intercession

Ask God about it

Hey troy! Rowntree has been telling me that you have had some helpful critiques of our Shean bowlz video. You should shoot me an email Id love to connect. Josh@theRemnantRadio.com

Charles Stanley is such a good and Godly man, I really wonder how he feels about this error. 😔

@@TheWayWalker I imagine he is devastated. I loved being part of their church when I was a baby Christian.. such a great place to start. I had to move away due to family.

There are those in the church calling Charles Stanley a heretic. Sure glad we don't burn heretics at the stake anymore. ""If MY people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, pray and seek my face and turn from THEIR WICKED WAYS, then I will hear from heaven, and will heal their land."

Oh tell me about it. Charle Stanley’s work has added to my faith growth. God used this man to train my friend and I in our walk of faith. We are even planning to visit his church in September after a conference we are attending through G3. I was texting my friend today about this because I know Charles Stanley is probably broken to see his son on the headlines for things that are so heretical 🤦🏾‍♀️😞 this is so heartbreaking 💔

How does Charles Stanley feel about Andy Stanley? “I felt like this was a huge battle, and if Andy had been in a huge battle … you'd have to crawl over me to get to him,” Charles Stanley, now 80, says.” I would have stood by him, no matter what. I didn't feel like he did that.” There's no father-son preaching duo quite like the Stanleys.

May I ask if they still believe they are under grace? Do they believed they are already saved because of the Cross? I hope you can give a fair answer as I have a great interest in the meaning of grace.

@@simonskinner1450 well, none of them claim to be believers now. But, from what I was able to tell, none chose this path believing they were under grace so it was ok. The progression I witnessed is that they veer off into progressive Christian teachings leading them to believe that homosexuality isn’t sinful at all, eventuality choosing that lifestyle telling themselves God is cool with it, but yeah - none of them claim any kind of Christian faith at this point.

@@annadillard7145 Believing in God is not cool, but they are 'gaslighted' into Evoatheism, and if they did believe they are told they are spread saved. They are not. I do have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity' and I expose false beliefs from false teaching. It is however sad if they were good people apart from their sins you nentioned, but they will be judged.

@@annadillard7145 Thanks for sharing of your heart-wrenching stories of your friends. These now countless anecdotes lead me to believe that there is a powerful demonic spirit at work in convincing people to pursue “unnatural” relationships at rates unseen historically since the falling of the Greek and Roman empires, where paganism inspired all manner of sexual sin. It is a renewal of Sodom and Gomorrah. It is so brutal to witness the cultural shaping of my nieces and nephews in the combo of full embrace of everything LGTBQ+ and the parallel rejection of everything Christian and biblical. It seems that holding to both (the bible and sexual perversion) ends of being a transitory passing through station as LGBTQ+ convictions eventually land people into hardened atheism. Progressive affirming Churches appear to be built on hillsides of slippery slopes as temporary camping out locations - aiding the eventual fall down the cliff.

It is sick and clearly reprobate. The book of Romans is VERY clear on this. We can't sugar coat it or explain it away. It isn't definition a "falling away" and perverse behavior.

Amen bro

Andy is literally trying to remove the Old Testament implying that it is a a barrier to acceptance of Homosexuality. How can he erase the Genealogy of Jesus Christ? It’s like trying to erase the history of the world before 1960. How can anyone take Andy Stanley seriously, unless they are looking for a way to skirt their Sin? If you ask me, it’s all about church attendance. I see it everywhere. Churches trying to attract young people by being inclusive and “affirming”. Anything goes to get people through that door and in the pews.

@@cameronimajor4810 United Methodist Church

Yes - subtle but so commonly the case with whimpering heretics

Mike "Joel Osteen preaches the full Gospel and I dare you to prove otherwise" Winger

You are really prideful enough to decide the eternity of his soul?

Indeed - no need for hesitancy with this AT ALL

Great point! Truth with love (Ephesians 4:15) 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 talks of The apostle Paul approaching people differently to effectively communicate the gospel. He did this without compromising the truth, but was sensitive to the environment.

You do. And they are saved by the blood too. It is profoundly offensive, this cross of Christ.

@@duncescotus2342 they are saved by the blood, amen…however, like Jesus told the adulteress woman, “I don’t condemn you either, go and sin no more”…

@@gilbertocolon2079 Yeah, do that, bro.

@@gilbertocolon2079 this text you’re referring to was later added to the Bible by scribes based on a majority consensus from those in the study of New Testament textual criticism. But that is not to say that isn’t a good representation of who God is and what He would do in a situation such as described in that text. With that said, there are bibles today that don’t mention homosexuality as an explicit over-encompassing sexual immorality.

Yes. I agree. I just love Charles. He’s 90 now. I imagine his heart his breaking. 💔

Yes, many so-called discernment and polemical ministries have justified nastiness and seem to exist primarily to tear down, rather than to edify.

👊🏻 Well done mate

God is not an insipid weakling. If you turn from your sin and turn to Christ, he will set you free. You do not sound free. You cannot have Christ and your sin. It appears that you have not yet repented, been forgiven, and trusted Christ and him alone to free you from even the desire to sin. It seems the Apostle Paul went home every night to an empty bed and he doesn't ever complain about it. Somewhere there is victory. You just haven't accepted it yet.

@@2wheelz3504 Thanks for taking the time to post this. In general I find that Christians are great at requiring others to make horrendous sacrifices but poor at making such sacrifices themselves. Paul in 1 Corinthians 7 says that single celibate disciples can serve Jesus all the more but in Protestant Churches, that is one of the passages we simply ignore. We don't know that Paul never complained of loneliness and sexual frustration: he speaks of a 'thorn in the flesh' and doesn't define that. And I am fed up with the cant spoken by married Christians when you ask them why they didn't choose lifelong celibacy and got married instead. They will say that they hoped to serve God better with their husband or wife, but 1 Corinthians 7 contradicts that. What they really should say is they married because they thought it would fulfil them more and make them happy. But they don't say that as it makes the con they are perpetrating on me (pretending that lifelong celibacy isn't execrable) all too obvious. When I was celibate for years, I was surprised at how unhelpful and unsupportive Jesus was. Christians would say to me: make a colossal sacrifice for God and God will give you colossal grace. But I didn't find that. You could try it for yourself. Follow the advice Jesus gives to the rich young man - sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor and live by faith in a totally non-materialistic life. If what you are saying is right, you will gain victory and God will bless you richly in spiritual things and what an amazing witness you will be to others. It was all so one-sided for me. Christians - nice people I had known for years and liked - would say that the Christian life involves huge sacrifices from everyone, but when I asked them what sacrifices on the scale of lifelong celibacy they were making themselves (so their experiences might inspire me) but I always drew a blank. Blessings to you anyway.