Previous diesel mechanic here! I went with a 21 F250 7.3 and couldn’t be happier! I tow 10k-12k on the regular and it does what I need it to do and does it well. A lot of 6.7’s hardly pull anything anyway, it’s more of a status symbol to have a diesel. Lot of folks have to show off the fact they financed an $80k truck for 8 years. I stick to what I can pay cash for.
If you can keep increasing your income, you stop worrying so much about financing. Financing is a superpower, as long as you’re always progressing and never get complacent.
@@myrusEW if used correctly. most dudes in these trucks think 'progressing' is a couple dollars raise every 2-3 years and are willing to pay 10+% interest for 6+ year.
Bought a ‘03 F250 new, with the new 6.0. Engine was great when it ran. Had it bulletproofed, spent tens of thousands and it kept breaking down, finally fixed it by throwing the engine out and having a Cummins dropped in. 5.9 12v ran perfectly until I got rid of the truck in ‘18 and downsized to a F150. Used to call the 6.0 the Power on Strike.
I have a 17 f250 Screw longbed with the 6.2. I absolutely love my truck. Would I go trade it in on an identical 7.3 Godzilla?, no. Because current truck prices are ridiculous. I paid 37k for my 2017 truck as a new leftover when the 2019s were hitting the lot. No way I’m paying twice that these days. I get 11-13 mpg whether towing my overloaded 26” enclosed car-hauler or commuting to work. I know a rural fencing & steel building contractor that has the 7.3 as his personal truck and just yesterday he told me he will eventually start swapping out his fleet of 5 powerstroke chassis cabs for the 7.3s as they start dying. He said the maintenance isn’t worth the few MPG in savings especially with diesel prices & excessive maintenance requirements for 5 of them. I personally don’t think I’ll ever need a diesel for what I will ever tow. The 6.2 will suffice. As far as longevity there is a well known contributor to the ford trucks forum that has well over a million miles towing on his 6.2, original engine & transmission. He’s a hotshot out of Texas I believe.
I prefer the simplicity of a gas engine. I don’t have to worry about DEF, regen cycles, the dpf system, not working the engine enough and the cost of repairs when it is out of warranty.
I’m sticking with gas. Getting there first is not what it’s about. Pulling over the pass faster is not (or sure as hell shouldn’t be) what it’s about. First up to speed is not what it’s about. Cost of repairs is everything about what it’s about. The short guys always want the diesels. Makes them feel bigger I guess.
I sold my Ram last month. I'm not sure I'll ever buy another diesel. The new ones have been incredibly unreliable and expensive (in my experience). I like that 7.3L Godzilla engine. If I needed a new fullsize truck, that engine with the Tremor package or a Power Wagon would be a tough call.
I’ve always been underwhelmed with the performance when driving Power Wagons. I love the Hemi in a Ram 1500 (particularly with an 8 speed auto) but it feels underwhelming to me in the 2500.
Hard argument these days, a lot of these trucks have pretty fast 10 speeds, so shifting down isn't much of an issue than the 6 speed days. The hardest sell for Diesel is the emissions control, they're slowly killing the engine and fail all the time. Unless you tow near max tow most of the time, it's almost not worth getting a diesel for more money upfront AND later (fuel and maintenance)
Interesting video. As a 6.7 Tremor owner I can say I've considered trading for a 7.3 Tremor... but ultimately I think I fall into a similar mindset as Chris that I'd rather be ready for almost anything, which in my mind is eventually a slide in pop up camper and towing the crawler. Or towing two crawlers. Or driving 5-600 miles straight shot. But I hate the complexity of the 6.7 Powerstroke. I'm considering changing over to a 6.7 Cummins. I feel like there are so many caveats to this discussion, not just diesel vs gas but which diesel vs which gas?
100% this. the only reason I didn't buy a Cummins is because of the 6spd, having 4 extra gears when towing to keep rpms low is huge. but now after being on my 2nd F350 Tremor I'm very tempted to switch to RAM with the simplicity of the platform and ease to delete the truck. now there are even rumors Cummins is developing a hydrogen/ diesel engine which will be a game changer.
@@c.h.9827 the 10 speed is definitely a big advantage. Going from my 6spd 2015 Powerstroke to a 10spd 2021 was a pretty big change. Since the 2023 Ram update isn’t coming with a 10 speed I feel like by the time it does get one there will be so much technology baked into the the truck that I won’t be as interested. I want my cake, and I want to eat it too!
I’ll take a 6.7 over a ram all day. I’ve had both and not a huge fan of ram trucks. I have 250k on my 6.7 will zero issues except a def heater go out. 22 mpg. Can’t beat it. Gas engine will have a hard time going past 250k
My ‘21 Tremor with the 7.3 is overall better than my ‘20 Cummins. MPG is worse and power is slightly worse but there is no stress of emissions failure, DEF running low, or the expensive maintenance. Also at only 6’2 my head was 1” from the roof in the Ram. I have plenty of room in the Ford and an extra few inches of room in the back seat and bed. Ram was good to me but I’m much happier in the Ford. Would go with Powerstroke if I had the money but the 7.3 is impressive especially with a tune
I'd say diesel all the way! The performance envelope of the diesel is just much greater than the gas motor. In the same vein, when I'm buying a new Lamborghini Huracan, I'm not going to be too concerned about the poor mileage, high maintenance costs, more complex engine, less luggage capacity, more expensive tires compared to a new Toyota Camery!
I think he meant 600000. No fuckin way he's got a six million Mike engine and tranny and no leaks from anywhere and the same break pads. I smell BULLSHIT
I would venture to say that you would not necessarily want large mud tires when towing. Seems like it would effect the fuel economy and handling when under a load....especially if it is lifted very much. But hey...
The biggest benefit of diesel to me isn't so much trucks it's always been equipment you can park a dozer or tractor for a year or more. Throw a fresh battery on and fire up a diesel. Gas not so much
So out of touch up in the stratosphere. Can you feature something us mere mortals can even dream of looking at? Could you bring it back down to earth...to reality plz?
I like the 7.3 Godzilla but the 10 speed autos are horrible, they should have used a zF6 My 21 7.3 all it does is shift and clunks all the time , not a fan I’m looking for a old 6.8 v10 zF6 truck to replace my 21 with
Try the new transmission they put in the 23 models. Same as diesel but programmed different. My 23 acted confused and weird for first 2500 miles or so then smoothed out. Drives great now
Traded a f450 in after 16 thousand dollars fixing it in 2020 for a f350 7.3 4.30 gears. Tow a 2020 413 raptor toy hauler. With side by side and everything else it with the truck scales 28k. The 7.3 in manual mode slowed better down hill than the diesel and I keep it in 8th towing at 65-70 mph.
They did not. In my experience it is easier to get more power out of a forced induction engine since all you have to do it turn up the boost a little bit.
If I could afford a new gas truck I’d get rid of my 6.0 powerstroke I have the title. I can’t justify a 55k-63k and that’s a base model with very few options and that’s my employee price being a ford technician. I pull about 12k with my rv and quad
I have a diesel and the shop just quoted me 12k to fix the fuel system, I want reliability but not at that cost, with 12k I can fix a gas truck for the rest of its life of about 20 years if taken care of if not more
People hate everything it's like democrats and Republicans lol. But seriously I've had lots of trucks and the most expensive engine and most broke down was a diesel. It stranded me more than all others combined. My brothers 6.0 powerstroke cost him over 20,000 not including all the work he missed. Both of us went back to gas and been trouble free since. It's true nothing pulls like a diesel but modern gas is good enough for us and neither of us has been stranded since. I agree though get what you prefer it's the good thing about America we got choices.
Look at it this way, with a diesel, you have more options of towing in the future than with gas, in addition, the effortless the diesel pulls is worth it!
It’s federally illegal so they can’t advertise deleted diesels or their benefits…I own a deleted 14’ Ford 6.7 so I get the benefits. It’s also probably my last diesel. Going back to a gasser for the next truck.
Diesel by miles kids # 1 resale value #2 oil change #3 towing capacity #4 diesel will go 300k miles with eas but gas after 100k miles get ready for lemon
So my 96 with 346k gets better mpg than a 6.7? Can you say gov. overreach? Todays cars and pickups should be getting way better mileage than the old ones, my 67 Fairlane would get 26mpg on the hwy with the windows down going 70 and that is a V8 with a holly 600. Makes zero sense! Good video!
@@roadglide1142 Same. 26k miles and zero issues even with a performance tune. Even if I get the lifter issue it’s under warranty for another 10k and if it happens outside the warranty term, I’ll swap in a performance cam kit while they’ve got her opened up to make it worth my money
