Shuai Jiao: China’s oldest martial art

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Shuai Jiao 摔跤 is Mandarin for “wrestling”. But we’re discussing a very specific style of ancient Chinese folk wrestling where the competitions wear a short sleeved jacket, and try to throw their opponents without going to the ground themselves.
You might be shocked to learn that many Chinese people do not know that this martial exists, including some of my own students. So, let’s fix this!
In this video, we will showcase some shuai jiao techniques, and break down the scoring system as we spar. At the end of the video, there is some commentary on the history of quilted jackets (not unlike the shuai jiao uniform) as battlefield armor throughout the cultures of the world, such as the European gambeson and the Aztec Ichcahuipilli, which could withstand cuts from blades, allowing warriors to more easily bridge the distance and grapple.
Battlefield wrestling (which Shuai Jiao and Sanda emulate) is notably different from MMA wrestling, since the focus is to remain standing while your opponent goes down, which can allow a fighter to defend himself against other attackers on the battlefield who are standing close by.
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I fought professionally in Mixed Martial arts, Sanda, Muay Thai, K1 and American kickboxing from 2004-2011 when I was forced to retire due to a broken skull and being blinded in one eye. I hold a brown belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Black belts in multiple traditional martial arts, including Taekwondo and kyokushin karate. I also train in catch wrestling, sambo, taijiquan, judo, and boxing.
I currently coach at the Animal MMA gym, the Extreme Fight Lab, and the Mordor Fight Club, all in Shanghai, China.

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@EliteBlackSash Год назад

Shuai Jiao is fun. I can say - having trained Shuaijiao at a Gracie gym, with BJJ and Judo players, Shuaijiao is much different. If you train somewhere where they do it square like Judo, you’re missing out on a really cool new addition to your skillset. Wheeling / Unbalancing is the prime skill of Shuaijiao. While you are grip fighting and hand fighting, your legs and torso are constantly moving, stepping around, cutting angles, and trying to spin the person off balance. It is much more aggressive, with a lot of sumo like pushing off as well, and some sneaky grip breaking. Even guys with a lot more competitive experience and years training used to have a lot of problems with my teacher at the gym because of his constant activity. It feels like trying to Hug a tornado LOL. His son also competes in high school wrestling and does well. A lot of the sweeps and leg attacks here by the students will get you thrown because they step in before achieving connection, the minute you lift your foot, you’re spinning off balance. It’s very frustrating experience LOL. A lot of competition teaching now has leaned more towards slower play, and even just pushing the person out of bounds. It’s different to watch Also, if you train with someone with more of a Mongolian flavor, their leg attacks and over the back grips are ssssick because Their jackets don’t have a lapel.

@Xzontyr Год назад

The next time I'm in Vancouver, I'm actively going to try and find a school that teaches this and try it out. It looks like they may have something. You just got me incredibly curious about it.

@justice2548 Год назад

Cung Le was partially using Shuai Jiao in his fighting days as part of Wushu Sanda. Shuai Jiao is developed even further in Sanda and has really powerful counter techniques. The best part I like about Shuai Jiao is that techniques are really intuitive , simple and efficient.

@the.wandering.warrior Год назад

Ramsey I like that you gave Shuai Jiao a video. I myself was in Taiwan for 3 years doing Shuai Jiao. You're in China so finding top level Shuaijiaoshou shouldn't be too hard. If you'd like to discuss this stuff I'm down! Now, for the rules, it used to be 1 throw wins, only soles of feet can touch the ground, like in Mongol "janggat Bokh" (a particular Mongolian wrestling style). When it was brought to Taiwan it had changed already to the best of 2 out of 3. First to 2 throws/trips/takedowns wins. Nowadays, as you outlined, it is a 3,2,1 point system. The jacket is quite interesting and descends from the style of the Qing dynasty, Mongol-Manchu influence, and I feel, compared to my experiences in no-gi and Judo, gives you the ability to work jacket-style set ups and techniques while not invalidating no-jacket tactics. It also rewards techniques that tend to work better in combat situations where you don't want to be entangled on the ground (as you noted), and encourages you to seek elbow control. Typically, we seek to use our non-dominant hand (say, left hand) to control the inside of their right sleeve (typically their dominant hand), and begin setting up gripping and movement, tearing away their grips, and trop them up. I hope you're able to devote more time to it as an art unto itself, since there's tactics and flavors to the wrestling in Shuai Jiao that are distinct or somewhat different than what we see in Freestyle, Judo, and Sambo and those differences are worth exploring.

@ehukai2003 Год назад

Shuai Jiao is awesome and I’m glad you covered it, especially the parts about the historical contexts of jackets and combat (staying on your feet). Awesome job, guys!

@DagwoodDogwoggle Год назад

This was the part of Kung-Fu I loved the most. Video after my heart.

@oldschoolmuzzey Год назад

cool🙂👍🏽

@nicholasgreen339 5 месяцев назад

Yes kung fu either means skill or to fight or martial arts The word wushu used to mean to fight as well Everything in this video is wushu training What jet li was also taught There r lots of different styles or strains of chinese wrestling These training method's were also part of longfist kung fu Too many kung fu schools don't no how to throw Gymnastics has also been separated from martial arts The Spartans were also gymnasts And could wrestle to Boxing had grappling in it Even in the 1960s in boxing you could use grappling

@DagwoodDogwoggle 5 месяцев назад

@@nicholasgreen339 "These training method's were also part of longfist kung fu." Yup. That's exactly where I learned shuai jiao.

@maxsette80 5 месяцев назад

True ❤@@nicholasgreen339

@miked7074 Год назад

Thank you for highlighting my favorite martial art. I have been practicing it for 55 years. A fun fact is that this is required training at the Taiwan police academy. Also if you are in a park practicing some one always comes up to you to asks what style you are doing then they tell you what you are doing wrong. But if you say shuai jiao the say oh and turn and leave because one mostly police and military practice this and two practitioners are always looking for a match. One again thank you !

@morpheus3128 5 месяцев назад

I am a BJJ instructor, and I've trained Shuai Jiao in the US, having earned a black belt in this style (in the US Shuai Jiao that comes form Grandmaster Chang Dung Shen's lineage has a belt system). I moved to China in 2005 and trained Shuai Jiao there for years under the legendary Grandmaster Li Ba Ru (in mainland China there is no ranking system). In Beijing I was the first BJJ Black Belt to open a JJ school in China and I would periodically bring Master Li to do seminars, which my JJ students appreciated. I also let many of my teacher's students to train at my academy for free. Most people that train Chinese Wrestling in China do not come from wealthy families because Chinese parents that have money will insist on their kids learning musical instruments, art and studying and would't allow their kids to do Shuai Jiao. With MMA becoming more and more popular, there has been a slight resurgence of Shuai Jiao in China but, sadly not a big one. Its a beautiful martial art with amazing throws and 100% without and BS. Chinese wrestlers are tough as nails.

@RamseyDewey 5 месяцев назад

Yeah, in Shanghai outside of the Shanghai Sports University, I only know a couple of guys who even teach shuai jiao, and they’re both quite old. At least in this part of China, you have to know a guy who knows a guy to even train in Chinese folk wrestling.

@fakename2890 Год назад

This is so strange and great, I just started reading the book "Chinese fast wrestling for fighting. The art of San Shou Kuai Jiao throws, takedowns, and ground fighting." And really had no real idea of what to expect. Thanks for the added insights into this new hobby.

@joelhusbands3838 Год назад

To my knowledge Shuai Jiao is a competitive sport whereas san shou kuai Jiao is more like quick ways of taking down the opponent designed more for defense Sometimes added to various boxing arts Sometimes practiced in isolated. Could be wrong as I also understand that there are different styles of shuai Jiao all hailing from the various regions of China. Chances are kuai Jiao could be one of them. Dunno but Would be interesting to find out.

@lps8966 Год назад

If you wanna know more you should definitely visit ROC Taiwan, bao ding style shuai jiao is deep rooted in Taiwan, we have grand master Chen dong sheng 's son Chen da wei（常達偉） teaching in the policy academy and grand master kou sheng ( 郭慎), his also the last remaining shen xi style shuai jiao ( Chinese style GR wrestling) master in the world

@Xzontyr Год назад

I love that rule set. I'm really surprised I haven't heard more about this art. Not going down, but able to attack the legs. Iv recently become a fan of sumo, and desperately want to try the real thing someday, apart just goofing around at the gym with a few guys. It's really curious as to how many cultures have secretive jacket, or belt, or both grappling systems. I recently heard theirs an Irish form of judo from long ago no one talks about. It lacked ground fighting apparently, but had all of the throws and sweeps, etc. Shame it's not more popularized.

@TheDevourerOfPancake Год назад

Irish collar and elbow is a fixed grip style, it wouldn't have the dynamic grips of judo. It would have many high throws and sweeps like judo does but that's actually universal to all cultures grappling styles. I've seen some guys practice Scottish backhold wrestling to rack up the matt time getting good at one grip but collar and elbow grip is less popular

@cyborgchicken3502 Год назад

You should look into African wrestling styles as well like Senegalese Wrestling also known as Njom or Lutte, it's pretty brutal and they even have local championships both in Senegal and Gambia, then there's the one arm boxing or Dambe of Nigeria....folk fighting arts from around the world are quite fascinating when you take that deep dive into it.

@Xzontyr Год назад

@TheDevourerOfPancake I'm familiar with the traditional collar and elbow. This however was mentioned as a cotton coat grip style of grappling that focused heavily on foot sweeps apparently, and ofcourse the occasional throw. I tried looking it up, but I haven't had much success. A friend with some Irish roots had mentioned it. There's a good chance that it had judo influence, or traditional Japanese jiu jitsu influence much like bartitsu did in the 19th century.

@Xzontyr Год назад

@CyborgChicken Brutal indeed. I would of still had faith in Royce in ufc 1 if they would of brought one of those heavy weights in, but wow would they have given some people alot of trouble no doubt.

@MeetJohnnyNg Год назад

Try Vietnamese Vật (aka Vietnam wrestling)

@chenwuangungfu Год назад

I was lucky to find a good Shuai Jiao teacher and have been training in this art for just over 2 years now. I'm glad Ramsey is highlighting this on his channel. It's a really fun sport and rule set. An interesting thing he mentions briefly is how common no-jacket techniques are in Shuai Jiao. In the Beijing Shuai Jiao I've been training, most classes and practice are actually without the jacket. You put the jacket on occasionally to work grip fighting with the jacket or when you are gearing up for a tournament. Being able to grab the legs and the short sleeves makes the over-under position you see in western folk wrestling much more common even with the jacket on. Anyway, thanks for highlighting this amazing art!

@tannersemb8249 Год назад

You should collab with Lavell Marshall! He's a Shuai Jiao champ from America who's been living in Inner Mongolia training and competing in Bokh the last few years

@scottmacgregor3444 Год назад

Nordic folk wrestling, called GLIMA, has slightly different rules sets but a similar focus and origin as battlefield wrestling.

@kevingray4980 Год назад

I like Suiaijiao for self defense, both for emphasizing staying on your feet and because this style of jacket better applies to how an assailant is typically dressed. You can't depend on having the huge sleeves in Judo, or being as slippery as a greased pig in MMA. But even a cotton t-shirt can make a decent grip if you bunch up the sleeve and pull the armpits around the shoulder.

@airthrowDBT Год назад

I have a book that's called Chinese Fast wrestling, I'd LOVE to try it someday!

@pastlast158 Год назад

Is it a good instructional book?

@bernarddato3221 Год назад

Historical origins of different styles and techniques, it's always exciting. Thank you Ramsey 🙏

@khalidbinwaleed5072 Год назад

Ramsey is such a respectful great martial artist and well educated

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Well thanks!

@benjaminlamptey1867 Год назад

Such jackets were also worn by Sahelian infantry. It was almost a universal uniform for soldiers in medieval times

@grimgoreironhide9985 Год назад

Because it’s easier to make. All you need is good cloth and a skilled clothes maker. Trying to arm all your soldiers with leader or metal based armour is economically not practical.

@benjaminlamptey1867 Год назад

@@grimgoreironhide9985 also, wearing it would be a disadvantage in the climates they were fighting in. When you're close to the equator it's too hot to be wearing metal

@grimgoreironhide9985 Год назад

@@benjaminlamptey1867 I forgot about that fact. Yeah it is impractical to wear metal or leather based armour in those hot climates. You would die from dehydration rather than an enemy weapon lol.

@neonhavok Год назад

"I love sacrifice throws, i love them to death!" Ramsey 2023

@kevinlobos5519 Год назад

Beautifull, all the grappling I learned so far from TCMA have the same focus as shuai jiao, remain standing yourself after you throw your oponent. Or at the very least land on top and if posible in a way that allows you to quickly get back up. One form from taiji mantis that I know in fact has some techniques and concepts from a folk wrestling style the founder of taiji mantis practiced. I loved this video to bits and I'd love if you make more.

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Awesome, thanks!

@pedroalexandredillemburg3751 Год назад

6:42 - "Ok, I've got a whole video on how to do that... Not the oil check, the takedown" Dewey, Ramsey.

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Dewey is my last name, by the way.

@pedroalexandredillemburg3751 Год назад

@@RamseyDewey I know, the meme format involves putting the family name before the first name.

@scottmacgregor3444 Год назад

😅 he saves the other one for his Only Fans page.

@RTPJu Год назад

I would like to see more about Chinese martial arts scenario. Thank you for showing this content. Cheers!

@Gatlink42 Год назад

It seems like this philosophy of throwing while staying up is very present in a lot of Chinese styles. Unfortunately I feel like more often than not teachings focus on stricking and forget that part a bit. Thanks for the video, it is really good!

@flamezombie1 Год назад

Interesting comparison with Ringen, German war wrestling, where ground work is absolutely included because you need to be able to finish an opponent in armor. You're probably also in full plate harness, so you don't have as much to worry about a third party running up behind you, OR you're in a judicial duel and don't have to worry about it at all. Sigmund ain Ringeck has some great stuff. The Glasgow Fechtbuch (lit. "fight book") has a really cool donkey mount kneebar. I'd love to see you look at some of the HEMA wrestling treatises on Wiktenauer and get your thoughts - I've tried to get more and more HEMA guys into the wrestling because it's by far what the old masters wrote most about, as cool as swords are.

@flamezombie1 Год назад

Oh, but there actually was a lot of "friendly" (sport) wrestling in late medieval Europe that was described as being "to first throw" which is very similar. They always describe it simply as being friendly or honorable though, not that it has some tactical advantage, but I can see that being an origin.

@obiwanquixote8423 Год назад

Very cool to see. Shuai Jiao was the first martial art I trained and flavored my outlook on martial arts ever since.

@Alexander-rd7bi Год назад

Contents in this channel are always so great that I pressed the bell. Thank you "Sifu" Dewey.

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Wow, thank you!

@christulloch3473 Год назад

This is really cool! I have trained a bit of Shuai Jiao here in the UK. Sadly as a MA Shaui Jiao isn't very widely known about or taught. It does have some very good takedowns and contains a good mix of Gi and No-Gi throws. It has helped me a lot in BJJ competition. A great thing to train alongside other Grappling arts if your are lucky enough to find a teacher. Sadly because of work and commitments at my BJJ gym I haven't been able to attend very many Shuai Jiao classes at all since covid. But It still finds it's way into my standing technique training for BJJ. Awesome video!

@neilcook8774 Год назад

Where in UK can you do Shaun Jiao?

@jenpachi2408 5 месяцев назад

I kind of like the concept of staying standing for self defense

@patanjalilemonsquashimmortal Год назад

Thank you coach. I always enjoy it when you bring us knowledge about these styles and techniques that are now forgotten by the masses but were once used by people who trusted their life with them. I believe these are the best sources of inspiration to develop new effective techniques for modern mma.

@dianarosewater5973 Год назад

Been waiting on a jacket wrestling video ❤❤❤

@derrrick7759 Год назад

I swear, all your martial arts videos are cool! You’re my favorite RU-vid channel for martial arts. No nonsense and very informative. Keep up the great work. ✌️

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Thank you!

@shaisolomon1059 Год назад

Awesome! Looking forward to watching this!

@JivecattheMagnificent Год назад

Love that you covered this, Ramsey, really cool stuff.

@gatorcroc7212 Год назад

I'm glad you finally did Shuai Jiao

@M14armorer Год назад

Awesome content! Thank you Mr. Dewey!

@OLDirty_Kungfu 3 месяца назад

I'm so glad you made this video. I have been planning on taking Shuai Jiao to compliment my Chinese and American boxing because the footwork is similar to Chinese boxing. Great video!

@DanTheWolfman Год назад

I really like these type of vids and as I said a couple years ago on your livestream please find the like best in this style, bagua, etc and showcase the ones that look the best and can really apply plz you have some access so show those that deserve it and see the better in different styles we don't get to see if you can. I wrote you back on the kick vid

@zzajizz Год назад

great introductory video!

@gmkgoat Год назад

This was very interesting. Thanks for sharing, Ramsey

@mofogie Год назад

jiujitsu was also originally for battlefield. That's why throws where you go to the ground are 'sacrifice' throws, because you could be sacrificing your life if you went to the ground! It's good you clarify these things because a lot of younguns these days have lost sense of the purpose of different martial arts.

@Mishalex Год назад

Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing!

@ghostbeetle2950 Год назад

Very cool! Thanks, guys!

@bingsoo9559 Год назад

It honestly kind of resembles Bokh, Mongolian Wrestling with some Judo and Greco elements to it as well - btw, those Mongolian Wrestlers are absolutely massive! Any ideas how they came to be so jacked?

@flamezombie1 Год назад

Almost solely meat diet lol. Mongolians eat a crazy amount of meat. And a lot of physical labor still happens in Mongolia (mining, ranching, herding, etc.)

@TheDevourerOfPancake Год назад

Shuai Jao, Sireum (Korea), and Sumo (Japan) are all descended or at least heavily influenced by mongol wrestling during the mongol empire. As for the physiques of Bohk wrestlers, they just look like beefy farm boys to me, probably because that is exactly what they are.

@bingsoo9559 Год назад

@@TheDevourerOfPancake Farmer strength is really something else eh? Even farmers here who are skinny and struggle from poverty are still absolute units when it comes time to work

@thecollector6746 Год назад

@@TheDevourerOfPancake Japanese Martial Arts including Sumo(Karate is not Japanese) had no real influence from The Main Land which is fairly obvious via how different Japanese martial arts developed.

@thecollector6746 Год назад

@@didjitalone9544 No...there actually isn't.

@jeredblackmoor3295 Год назад

Very very cool!! Fantastic!!!

@derpasaurus4979 Год назад

Great video, I'd love to see you grapple with weapons or to talk more about it, its awesome!

@MC-sf4ht Год назад

Thanks for the background on shuai jiao, I've always been curious about it and looks like it would be fun to try. Also, the armour history was great too. Just to add a sidenote, Korea also had padded armour, as well as at one point in history, they made a cloth armour with small thin metal plates sewn inside, called durumagi.

@edwardanderson1053 Год назад

Awesome!!Its true about the battlefield origin.🙂

@edwardanderson1053 Год назад

I will say that Shuai Jiao is great as a compliment to weapons training, particularly melee. there is of course a slight difference between a duel and battlefield melee.

@MbisonBalrog Год назад

What I like is the gripping rules are not as restricted as judo. In Judo is always sleeve/lapel. No one grabs legs or cross grips.

@B..B. Год назад

I remember all the years ago when I had my first contact with your channel. Was on a moment about, I don't like to say roasting, was giving a reality check to the traps that exists in traditional martial arts the way a lot of them are nowadays. And I remember that I get upset cause my teacher and style for what I knows is effective. But it didn't put me away, you are a great coach and a great speaker. And to see the recent videos you doing proving that there's value to traditional arts but you need to understand and even better learn from someone who is legit, bring real joy to my heart. Always hoping for the best for you and your family. That your lifes be prosperous and healthy.

@B..B. Год назад

@@RAPEDBYBLACKS to me what made the biggest difference in my fighting was all the grappling he advised. It made understand better and lose the fear. With knowledge comes power

@scottmacgregor3444 Год назад

The understanding is what gives it value. Simply aping motions without understanding why they are done this or that way results in a decades or centuries long game of telephone where the motions mutate away from something actually useful.

@grindordie3336 Год назад

Ramsey is my unknowing voice coach. Best tone, projection and pacing on the net IMO.

@Dale_The_Space_Wizard Год назад

Excellent. I really enjoted this video.

@Riposte821 3 месяца назад

If martials arts don’t work out for you, you can definitely be on the radio with that voice!

@nickdavis5420 Год назад

Ramsey puts in great work and he’s got a great sense of humor I love his zany videos the best with the costumes and wigs . Also a video of how too beat up a dude on the beach with short sleeves .

@NabilAbdulrashidComedy Год назад

Years ago I trained with a guy who taught “self defence” (don’t judge me) and hehe had a background in shuai jiao and also taught us elements of Qin na was really good stuff and when I took up mma a lot of it transferred well. Shame he doesn’t teach anymore

@jeffmaesar Год назад

i had a huge smile with the first sparring : Feng was looking for the sleeves and the wrists which is typical from judo practitionner. edit : Ramsey, you mention battlefied wrestling... but does it work FO DA STREETZ !?

@gabrielandradeferraz386 Год назад

if you have enough friends armed with sticks, yes, I suppose it does. would you want to use it? hopefully no

@hannsern3882 Год назад

Nothing works for da streetz, becuz u only needa see red

@DENVEROUTDOORMAN Год назад

For the street

@shawn6669 11 месяцев назад

Sigh...people are dumb. :(

@wadenobisemartuccianimatio8366 Год назад

I wish I was there to practice its a very practical technique as a person thats focusing on kickboxing, Kung Fu & teakwondo i would love to practice judo with Shaui Jao Grappling.

@cahallo5964 Год назад

This video was pretty awesome I liked it

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Thanks!

@FlatLeeo Год назад

Brilliant!

@martinlepisto2926 Год назад

I invented the perfect relaxation system after going out there and training everything. After trainings while driving or walking home, pick a video where Ramsey talks about something and just listen. Works every time!

@Mishkola Год назад

Ramsey! Thank you so much for showing us this style of folk wrestling I didn't know anything about previously. I love grappling styles as a whole, but folk wrestling styles are special. Its interesting that nearly every culture has had its own style of folk wrestling; there's something very human about wrestling. I think the 'self-defense' community should pick up a lot of these folk wrestling styles, simply because their rules emphasize staying on your feet. If, God forbid, you have to fight someone, what could be better for dealing with the potential of multiple attackers than being good at putting the first guy on the ground without going with him? Then you can run for your life if need be. Its also a much 'gentler' response than busting his head open.

@katokianimation Год назад

The evolution. We went from mma to wrestling to accient wrestling to hema.

@hajime-zg8mq Год назад

Great that you mentioned that a gambeson can be worn as armor by itself!

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Yep. A lot of people don’t know that quilted fabric is cut resistant. There’s a very important reason it was used as armor by cultures across the world throughout history.

@mrboy9658 9 месяцев назад

Gotta admit that technically shuai jiao is way better for self defence than judo because : 1) leg grips 2) 100% wrestling in the rack and if the second point (lack of ground) is still in doubt (no control on the ground , no submissions), the first gives a huge advantage over judo. As someone whose basic wrestling form is khapsagai , I can say that wrestling “to the third point” (when you cannot touch the ground with anything other than your feet, otherwise you will lose) I can say that this type of wrestling simply develops CRAZY balance in fight and the very good ability to throw an opponent

@BMO_Creative Год назад

The lady in the background looked worried about Phang! LOL Great video! Those Gi look like dragonball shirts! Cool!

@RamseyDewey Год назад

There was a lady in the background? Are you sure?

@BMO_Creative Год назад

@@RamseyDewey She had a mask on watching from outside the workout area... blue jacket? She's there! Don't freak me out! LOL

@RamseyDewey Год назад

@@BMO_Creative Oh, one of the people outside the gym watching through the window?

@Maodifi Год назад

Awesome, awesome, awesome!!!

@vivalaliberty 24 дня назад

Glad to see that you are expanding your knowledge. 😏

@RamseyDewey 24 дня назад

Welcome to the channel. I’ve been training in Chinese martial arts in China for over 15 years.

@jackodriscoll5233 Год назад

i like the video, pretty cool to see the differences between judo (an art I'm familiar with) and shuiajiao. those shoulder jacket grips look like they could make for a really nasty tai otoshi with all the rotational energy you're able to build up in that grip. ive also seen a different grip used in the shuaijiao version of a ippon seoi nage where the opposite arm is used and the grip is made behind the neck done specifically for armored opponents which i found very interesting. this part is completely unrelated to the shiajiao discussion but i know you're a big elder scrolls fan and think you would enjoy the dark souls series of games, it has a similar dark fantasy setting and really embodies the "get out there and train" philosophy in a Ludo narrative sense and has a stat system quite similar to DnD. yet again completely unrelated, just one gamer giving a honest recommendation to another :)

@RamseyDewey Год назад

I’ve played Dark Souls. People on the internet keep crying about how hard it is. Well I have something to say to them: you young wiper snappers don’t know the meaning of hard! Back in my day, we had Battletoads! You think Dark Souls is hard? Try level 3 of Battletoads! No one gets past level three on Battletoads.

@alexdow8042 Год назад

Top content, Ramsey! Could you be so kind to invite a local expert in Shuai Jiao to showcase it's specifics next time?

@jonathanlochridge9462 2 месяца назад

This looks fun, Honestly I can totally see it, Since most hema I have done has been with jackets/gambersons. I bet this sort of an art would probably be effective there even if not historically european. It is a historical chineese art which is super cool! I would love to see more Shuai Jiao content, If you know of any book or other resource recs I would love to hear them as well.

@meanmanturbo Год назад

I like how the point system is based on how easy it is to scewer the throwee with a spear when he is on the ground.

@mistermister1366 Год назад

Coach, I have a question for you! As an MMA coach, pro fighter, judge and referee, you saw the "sport" from all angles. Can we agree that all fighters put on the best show when they are actually angry? Did you notice that all of the "fancy stuff" goes out of the window at that time? Why then does everyone (well, in movies at least) say that anger is "your enemy" in a fight? From personal experience all I can say is that anger saved my a** more than a dozen of times in unfortunate altercations and in hard sparring". God be with you! Edit: shortened it 😅

@RamseyDewey Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AVXhRRyl9Ho.html

@mistermister1366 Год назад

@@RamseyDewey Thank you for the answer. Still I think you misunderstood me. The question was geared towards the view of the fight game as a whole. In the best matches I ever watched, technique went out, finesse went out, the only thing that stayed was heart. And the sad thing is that people forgot the pioneer days of MMA and NHB, because MMA has turned into point fighting, while it should have tried to emulate true combat. So, what do you think when you see early UFC and Pride and look at the state of the sport now? Edit: rephrased comment

@scottbauer71 Год назад

wish i had time to rewatch soon

@dsiii98 Год назад

Shuai Jiao is an almost forgotten art unfortunately

@jestfullgremblim8002 Год назад

Yeah. And it is the source of many Kung Fu techniques so you need it to make sense of them. This saddens me

@stevecastro1325 Год назад

Thanks so much for shining the light on this almost forgotten, yet very effective Chinese fighting system! Seems like the flashy Kung Fu styles had better marketing, even though way less practical.

@jestfullgremblim8002 Год назад

Yes!! Shuai Jiao!!!

@dhalav Год назад

I think you would have fun with Irish Collar and Elbow wrestling. As the name implies it's a jacket style of wrestling with fixed grip on the collar and the elbow. As you can guess only leg techniques are allowed.

@RamseyDewey Год назад

Oh wow! Jacketed wrestling with only leg attacks- now I have to try it!

@dhalav Год назад

@@RamseyDewey the person behind the youtube channel, and podcast, The Hero With A Thousand Holds is the one started the revival of this once very popular style of wrestling. You will find plenty of useful vidéos on his channel

@dhalav Год назад

@@RamseyDewey oh I almost forgot Gouren, the breton folk wrestling that also use jacket and focus on leg techniques

@ronselporter4739 Год назад

Sadly these are underrated compared to the world famous striking styles from China

@TheMaverickunleashed Год назад

You should interview my teacher Matt Gelfand, he’s competed around the world. Great episode Ramsey.

@manuelzapata1192 Год назад

I don't think i've ever heard of this martial art either that's really cool

@talbioussema Год назад

Aikido founder Morhei Yoshiba says, “A mind that serves peace for all human beings in the world is needed in aikido, not the mind of one who desires to be strong or who only exercises to bring down an opponent.”

@burningknuckle26 Год назад

Shuaijiao is actually cool af. Sanda fighters use it.

@jamiemccutcheon8302 7 месяцев назад

This is nice to see lots to learn from that martial art brilliant one of China's better most practical styles

@eagle162 Год назад

If you ever decide to do other video on SJ perhaps you should discuss it with Mu Shin Martial Culture and TriEssence Martial Arts. both made a few videos on the art, very informative.

@slackerm1 Год назад

There's an mma gym locally that offers this, I may have to check it out

@stevejuszczak9402 Год назад

There appears to be many cross over techs that developed in other countries

@ipleathetv6334 Год назад

I had been doing Shuai Jiao, in a addition to other arts in JKD with my Sifu for about 2 years, but then I stopped. I haven’t been to Sifu in a while, been training on my own. But it’s hard to train SJ by yourself so I’m gonna have to go back.

@johnyricco1220 Год назад

Imagine if all traditional Chinese martial arts included Shuai Jiao practice. Absolute game changer. I do think the rules should be changed so if you throw a guy but fall down, you should still get the points if you stand up immediately. Shuai Jiao rules would not award points to a suplex, because most likely you would hit the ground. But in real life suplex on concrete could paralyze your opponent and you’d be up in one second. Shuai Jiao guys wouldn’t know how to defend against this kind of take downs because the rules prevent them from getting exposed to it.

@iNightTiger Год назад

Well a lot of Chinese martial arts have shuai jiao techniques. Be it in forms or just techniques on their own

@captainbeaver_man903 Год назад

shai jiao is great! There are a lot of karate moves in kata that seem to take influence from this art.

@makaiev Год назад

Seems intuitive and objective, I like the point sistem. Funnny that if I've heard of it it was by another name...🤔

@johnyricco1220 Год назад

When they first invented Sanda, the Shuai Jiao guys were winning all the competitions so they changed the rules so that you can’t do leg grabs and only catch kicks. They also only allow 2 second clinches. This was supposed to make Sanda more competitive for other martial art styles. IMO this was a huge mistake because Shuai Jiao athletes were pushed out while traditional martial artists weren’t interested in competition anyways. MMA used to be completely dominated by wrestlers but eventually strikers learned how to win. Sanda could have been a better sport without those early rule changes. They should change them back. Use MMA gloves, wear jackets or allow grabbing the chest protector.

@lethn2929 Год назад

It's all politics and martial arts meta and it sucks, I was having a lengthy rant about this in a previous video but it's the biggest clubs that butcher and change the styles to the point that when they're done correctly or in a more practical way people think it's 'wrong' and it's being changed, no, it's the other way around. The 'incorrect' way is actually the correct way. Shotokan suffers from this exact same problem and it's interesting how it's happened with Chinese martial arts as well, lots of kata moves especially in Shotokan can in fact be used for joint locks, grappling and even throwing/wrestling under the right circumstances and even the basic techniques can be repurposed slightly as Ramsey showed in his previous video to break grips etc. When you understand this it's remarkable how much breadth a style really has compared to peoples' misconceptions about it and it is definitely a shame because there are entire styles and ways of teaching being destroyed by these arseholes who want to rig things because they're butthurt.

@kevionrogers2605 Год назад

The rules of mma were changed to favor striking as it became more popular tothe increase viewers by adding banning shoes, adding rounds, breaks & stand-ups. This has happened in virtually every combat sport that favors hits the wrestling & grappling aspects are usually legislated to minimize or penalize it. For instance Shotokan had more takedowns now if only allows sweeps in competition. Boxing had standing wrestling that was banned by the Marquis of Queensbury rules.q

@Aleyander Год назад

In my area one gym started to offer Shuai Jiao recently and I'm very curious about it, so I'm glad that you made this video. Unfortunately the training is only at times where I have to work, but I will hopefully be able to try it out soon.

@wallaceviana3184 Год назад

Obrigado meu amor pelo seu carinho 🥰😍😘

@petereriksson6760 5 месяцев назад

I love that you specified that you’re not teaching the oil check 😂

@terischannel 7 месяцев назад

Why am I just hearing about this style of wrestling? This could be very useful in many situations. I think the biggest mistake people make today is going to the ground in street fights. Most of these people get tunnel vision and forget that they leave themselves open to more attacks on the ground. You might grapple out of a one on one but how often does that happen in the real world?

@mattlawyer3245 Год назад

The idea of grappling techniques which leave the attacker on his feet appeals to me, but I rarely have any success trying to get information about such techniques since most grapplers I meet are BJJ and this just lies so far outside of the "standard" BJJ repertoire. I'd love to see a video breaking down some Shuai Jiao techniques, or even techniques from other styles which keep you on your feet! It would be especially cool to see you expound some general principles regarding how to successfully think about positioning etc. if your goal is to stay on your feet, in addition to specific techniques.

@thecollector6746 Год назад

"The idea of grappling techniques which leave the attacker on his feet appeals to me, but I rarely have any success trying to get information about such techniques since most grapplers I meet are BJJ and this just lies so far outside of the "standard" BJJ repertoire. I'd love to see a video breaking down some Shuai Jiao techniques, or even techniques from other styles which keep you on your feet!"

@mattlawyer3245 Год назад

@@thecollector6746 Actually, yes. I have looked for a Judo school in the area where I live, but I have not seen one that doesn't appear to be a total McDojo.

@thecollector6746 Год назад

@@mattlawyer3245 You don't seem to know anything about Judo, yet you are sure the dojos you visited are ""McDojos"(There's a reason why Judo McDojos arent actually a thing,,,because they dont exist)? Did you actual visit these Dojos and train ?

@mattlawyer3245 Год назад

@@thecollector6746 Not sure what makes you think you know what I do or don't know about judo, but you appear to be making some assumptions and using them as the basis for a fight via your challenges to my statements. I'm not interested in that, so don't expect to hear more from me. In the unlikely event that you're writing in good faith, I'll just add for your sake that it should be sufficient for your purposes to know that multiple past attempts to locate a judo school in my area have revealed that the martial art is practically not represented at all among the schools to which I have access. My reference to McDojos is mainly to cover the fringe cases of non-judo schools claiming to incorporate judo into what they teach. I didn't realize you'd take the term McDojo to have particularly fixed meaning, as I interpret the word as having a fairly flexible meaning under which Judo McDojos certainly can and do exist. I used the word simply to say that the little pseudo-representation that judo does have in my area is insufficient to meet my needs. Best to you.

@thecollector6746 Год назад

@@mattlawyer3245 ...you not sure how ? I am. Go on and ask me how I know.

@ericlaudenslager9230 Год назад

What a great sport. Aggressive without as much risk of concussion or torquing your neck.

@io3109 Год назад

I would like to see someone who does both shuai jiao and wing chun. I think the trapping would be interesting to see mixed in.

@XarkoCZ Год назад

Can we get an oil check tutorial, coach? Thanks!

@MbisonBalrog Год назад

Can do another shuai Jiao vid? Next with more seasoned practitioners sparring?

@RamseyDewey Год назад

It’s hard to find seasoned practitioners of northern Chinese folk wrestling in southern China. But I’ll keep looking.

@MbisonBalrog Год назад

@@RamseyDewey are there other Chinese 🤼‍♂️ styles?

@michaelkassai3771 Год назад

You should look into armored combat or Buhurt, basically it's what's being described here (battle field wrestling). 5 on 5 combat with steel armor and weapons, last man standing wins. If you go down you're out and you have to be careful with pinning someone to a wall like in mma cus someone can come from behind and wack you with an axe. Also the low shots the mma guy was doing are next to impossible when you're wearing a 16-18 lb helmet as well as the fact that lowering your head like that also exposes the back of your neck which is often a gap in the armor allowing for some one to jam a dagger in there.

@gadlicht4627 Год назад

It would be interesting see if or when this crossovers to MMA. On more separate note it would be cool in my opinion to do video summarizing different wrestling/grappling sports worldwide and comparing like compilation. Also separate note what do u think about mud wrestling?

@randombencounter263 Год назад

If MMA rules still allowed kicks to a downed opponent, arts that focus on taking your opponent down while remaining standing yourself would be way better represented.