SILVER SURF-HER?!! The Fantastic Four is DOOMED! M-SHE-U Gaslighting in Full Swing 

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I can guarantee that most people defending the argument for a female Silver Surfer never even heard of Shalla-Bal before the announcement.

Can't wait to see them blame the marvel fans when the movie flops.

I Don't See What The Problem is. People are saving a ton of money by not going to the movies. If you add up ticket prices, popcorn and drinks that's almost enough to buy a Happy Meal.

Not gonna lie, the movie was DOA for me as soon as they announced Pedro Pascal. I couldn’t care less about who the Silver Surfer is

The fantastic 4 is DOA. So Disney please cast Lizzo as Galactus. It's only fitting she'd be eating planets.

This is so tiresome. They know exactly why this casting decision was made. A sensible financial decision would be to make a movie of the far more iconic and popular character, but they didn't. We know why they do this, and these shills also know it yet they pretend they're dumbfounded why people would call this woke. The only difference between me and them is that they agree with "the message" and I don't. Other than that we're all on the same page and fully well understand why they make a female silver surfer movie. This constant bullshitting online is so tiresome.

Well all I can say is that I’m doing my part. The last Disney product I saw was Thor: Love and Thunder. Since then I’ve cancelled subscriptions and avoided everything even vaguely tied to Disney.

We aren’t saying that it violates canon, we’re saying that deliberately picking a version of the character that no one’s ever heard of just so you can cast a woman in the role to be your movie universe version is absolutely lame and a terrible decision indicative of significant leadership failures

To all the people saying "there's a female Silver Surfer in the comics, how is it woke?", no one is denying that fact, but it's very telling that Feige and company opted to go with that one over the objectively more recognizable male version of the character. If it's not woke, then why are you consciously making a decision to avoid the Norrin Radd depiction and go with a version of the character that no one has heard of or wanted? It proves that they haven't learned a damn thing from all their previous failures

At this point the only people Disney is gaslighting is themselves.

They are trying to convince you “you should be happy we changed your story” 🤣

F Disney. Stop giving money to people who hate you.

Couldn't care less at this point. I lost all my interest after they ruined everything from LOTR, Marvel, Disney classics, Star Wars, Nothing else left

"...When they're actually just using another character who held the title..." And the actual problem is not that there is a female character being used, it is *_why_** she is being used?* Had they "overexplored" the male silver surfer, who is far far better known and a part of the public consciousness, unlike the female Surfer? Was the public _bored_ with the male surfer, having seen him enough and no longer finding him of interest? I'm thinking the answer to both those questions is "Fuck, NO." So, now -- the question you need to answer: *" **_WHY_** was this GENDER SWAP **_actually_** done?"*

Crazy how marvel keeps playing identity politics and keeps losing money, but they keep doing it.

Disney will make you miss the Fox-Marvel Universe, simple as that

“Put a Chick in it, and Make It Gay!” -Cartman (aka Bob Iger) D - Delusional E - Egotistic I - Incompetence

This is getting insane. They are trying to destroy marvel. It made too many men happy.

Problem is no one trust Disney to be respectful to either source material or the fans. They’ve shown their toxic contempt towards fans

"The dinosaurs voted to ignore the meteor." Lol I can't

This is like choosing Frog Thor as the first depiction and being like, "BUT IT'S IN THE COMICS PROBLEM????"

Dr. Doom deserves his own trilogy. 1st movie base it off of Books of Doom series. 2nd movie base off Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom - Triumph and Torment 3rd movie would be the Doom Vs Doom storyline. Also give him a scene in Secret Wars movie. After Doom steals the Beyonder's powers he goes back to earth and removes the Celestial out of Earth. While repairing the damage it did to Earth.

If you're still supporting MCU at this point, then you're part of the problem.

I´m so tired of the "She was also the Silver Surfer in the comics" garbage. Yes. For 1(ONE) issue. In an alternate reality. Alongside Norrin. With no speaking lines. On 4 or 5 panels. And is killed off instantly. Yea, im sure they are basing Juilas character off that.

They want us to care enough to see the movie but not care enough to criticize. The line they expect us to walk is literally nonexistent.

That Grace Randolph voice! Imagine being married to her and hearing that constantly….

Did they dig up a ultra obscure marvel char just to make disingenuous rants on social media?

Its a shame that Rise Of The Silver Surfer will be the only time we'll ever see Norrin Radd in live action. Screw Disney and their DEI infested nonsense they're throwing at the audience

That female silver surfer was only in like 4 comic books, ever. That's why no one has ever seen her or even know of her. Even marvel fanatics never heard of her lol.

I love how Gary is saying everything I’m thinking, and how we’re on the same page on Disney. That Hackers bit was just perfect too. 👍🏻👍🏻

What do i know? Well i won't be buying a ticket to see this, nor will anyone I know. Pedro Pascal was enough of a nope for me.

They couldn't just make an actual Silver Surfer film (because white male), and they knew they'd get backlash for making Norrin Radd female, so their loophole was to make Shalla Bal the Silver Surfer proxy and then use "she's a real character in the comics!" as justification.

The fact that there are STILL people defending this, and yes I know it's the usual suspects, is fucking insane.

It's crazy how every time this happens the response is 'well this one alternate version was in the comics'. Maybe? But they're talking about the stories being written right before Marvel went bankrupt. Nobody wanted those alternate characters or stories then, or now.

They hired a liberal as the leader and hired a woman as silver surfer. This dude owes me $200 because he said the movie wasn't going to be trash

"It's in the comics!" So is pink kryptonite and the Thanos copter. Not everything in the comics is a good thing.

"There was a female Batman in the 60s tv show. Real fans know that." No one's fooled. Norrin Radd is the Silver Surfer.

At this point we have to assume that Disney is doing that just to piss people off

Make it Four Fantastic Women get rid of Johnny Storm make him into Jane Storm get rid of Ben Grimm change him to Barbara Grimm get rid of Reed Richards change him to Randi Richards then you have Four Strong Women as our new Fantastic Feministic Foursome.

I could not have predicted that Endgame meant Marvel's slow demise. I guess Thanos really did win.

1. Create woke character in comic series written by activists 2. Attack the fans when obscure comic underperforms 3. Wait until Disney puts woke character into live action 4. Harass fans who claim character is woke by saying "iT's In ThE cOmIcS" 5 Repeat

"Disney does not deserve your benefit of the doubt" perfectly put. It would be like giving the benefit of the doubt to someone that has robbed your house 23 times when they are accused of it for the 24th time.

"73-old former weatherman who just figured out gaming is popular with kids" :D :D :D

Of course they didn't go for the Norrin Radd version of the character. A man sacrificing himself to save his wife and literal entire planet is toxic, because... Uh... it implies men can do something good?

Insanity They’re literally doing the same thing over and over and over and….

If Disney reboots the MCU with Peggy Carter, Riri Williams, She-Hulk, Kate Bishop, Lady Thor, and Black Widow, no one should have a problem because these characters exist in the comics, right? There's no agenda, right? If Disney makes the X-men all women--they use Emma Frost instead of Professor X and X-23 instead of Wolverine--shills would just say, "These people exist in the comics, though. So what's the problem?"

There's a time and a place for everything this would bother me when I was younger but when I got older I put away childish things and became a adult

So what if there actually is a female "Silver Surfer" in the comics. This is just Disney continuing to poke the bear. Simple as that. They will not stop until all the moneys is run out.

The beautiful thing about this announcement is it came right on the heels of Bob Iger saying that they were gonna change direction. He basically confirmed what everyone already knew.

Hoping Disney goes so broke they have to sell Marvel to someone who actually cherishes the IP.

10:17 Hey…!!! I can see my house and my office from here in one frame! As a matter of fact…I was actually in this scene as one of Honolulu’s Finest, HPD background police officer (unaccredited) … I’ll never forget the moment when I saw the infamous “Red Hair” goes right next to the memory of *You speak bird huh?* in S01E01 of 2010 Hawaii five-0… we laughed at that one for weeks 😂 we nicked names him “Alex Mc-Meh-Laugh O’ lots”

I am so sick of The M she U. Woke politics intersectional feminism has ruined the marvel universe. Let us for a moment. Imagine how cool the marvel universe would have been if woke politics and intersectional feminism didn't use it as a platform

as far as ive seen the sudden inrush of people trying to pre-defend female silver surfer before anyone really said anything speaks a few thing on its own.

Disney's market cap in 2020 = $328B, 2021 = $281B, 2022 = $150B, 2023 = $165B, Market cap to date = $182B? Where did that cash injection come from? 🤨

10:48 for anyone that isn’t a comic book collector all these names he just mentioned are comic book creators

Born in 64. Was reading Defenders and FF by 6. Silver Surfer's a man. Period.

Every character has alternate version. The point is, Norrin has appeared as Surfer in over 700 appearances since the 1960s. Shalla Bal appeared as Silver Surfer in one very terrible story called Earth X. I love that these people have the balls to tell US to pick up a comic.

She was in 1 book and died at the end of the 1 book! So stupid to make her the Silver Surfer!

I didn't know Pedro was going to be in the role of Mr. Fantastic. That's a deal breaker for me.

All part of the age old mystery of "who are they even making this movie for?" strikes again.

Just because a character existed in some form or fashion in a limited run or alter universe, doesn't mean that the fandom should simply accept said character taking the limelight.

Wrote this in 2023, and unfortunately, it still applies, "Disney Sucks When your product isn't selling, either your products suck, or you're targeting the wrong audience. That is Disney right now. From 2021 to 2022, Disney lost 123 Billion dollars of its Market Value and their Shares went down by 44%. Instead of changing course, Disney decided to change nothing, and doubled down on social messaging and targeting the 1% of the population that may be interested in that. So far, 2023 has been the same as 2022 for the accounting department; four 200 million dollar productions tanked before they left the gate. They have lost Millions of subscribers off their streaming platform, its tv shows are way underperforming, and still, they go forward, creating shows the audience clearly doesn't want. Warner Brothers, has lost less in their Superhero movies because their films didn't make as much as the MCU, and so made fewer fils. Which brings us to Superhero Comics, specially the ones from DC and Marvel. The big two are leaning hard into a message of excessive and forced LGBT and minority representation. As a short cut to notoriety, both companies are allowing previously successful Superheroes to be appropriated by LGBT or Minority writers, changing everything about the character, and in essence, bastardizing the original to a point where the character is unrecognized, except for the stolen name. Simply creating new, well done, superheroes is so beyond the capabilities of these lesser creators, both companies have to steal and destroy their own properties decades in the making. A Fanfic writer will be given 8 pgs to write about heroes, and instead give you two guys or two girls taking a bubble bath. Superhero fans buy comics to read stories of Good versus Evil, Science Fiction, Fantasy. We don't buy stories of self-inserting, fanfic writers whose lives consist of getting together at coffee shops to discuss the merits of one videogame over another, then going home to take a bubble bath, surrounded by scented candles, to text about games they forgot to mention. If Disney and Warner refuse to go back to entertainment and continue to make content for no one, Mickey's castle will continue to burn down from the inside in time for their 100th Anniversary, and Warner Bros won't be far behind." Anytime another superhero name is stolen, Iger is pushing away 99% of the fan base.

Why does Disney Marvel hate the Fantastic Four so much?

The cope on this by the legacy media websites was embarrassing. It’s like saying Jane Foster Thor isn’t a gender swapped character because she existed before in the comics.

No one is disputing or denying that she exists in the comics. The PROBLEM is Marvel deliberately picked an alternate universe female version of the character who no one has ever heard of outside of Earth X over the more recognizable and more popular male version from the 616 universe that being Norrin Radd or even Nova if they really wanted a female herald of Galactus. This was a conscious choice to look for a female version of the Silver Surfer and passing over the version people know. Proving they have not only learned nothing but are doubling down.

No reasonable judge or jury wouldn’t say Disney is defrauding its shareholders at this point.

Disney, the MCU HAS STOPPED being an entertainment company and are now nothing but a propaganda company! I have stopped giving them any kind of money!

This just shows that they haven't learned a damn thing from all their failures in 2023. With Peltz losing, there is nothing left to hope for in terms of quality. Best case scenario is Disney girlbosses themselves into bankruptcy and have to sell Marvel and Star Wars and maybe 20 years down the line someone who actually cares more about characters and story does them justice, but for now, it's over.

The amount of gaslighting being put in place for a movie people have little hope for at this point.

At this point in time, gender-swapping iconic characters is just baiting- pure and simple.

At this stage it so much more entertaining watching fans take on the movies and casting than it is watching the movies themselves

Honestly at this point who really cares about MCU & Co ? Who still pays for that? 😅

Disney can't fail fast enough. The businessperson that figures out how to scoop up all the disenfranchised patrons will make next level bank.

Julia Garner should fire her agent. She is way too good to be wasted in a career killer Disney Marvel subpar production!

The searched all the books and found one female surfer in all the multiverse... They dont get unless its a what if or a crossoverser plot. So why arent we in the main mcu.

Pure politics, Shalla Bal Silver Surfher is a more niche character Than Humbug in Amazing Spiderman, nobody even knew who she was until 5 minutes ago when Disney made this announcement, and everyone wiki'd it because 90 percent of comics readers didn't know this character existed. Transparent and pathetic.

Pedro Pascal wouldn’t even be the smartest person at the special Olympics.

i loved the F4 as a kid.. back when real comic tv cartoons existed.. I always liked the Silver Surfer, but, we got very few of those, it was mostly Spiderman, Ironman,, once in awhile, Thor, Fantastic 4, Xmen.. Blue Beetle was a real character..-- nobody gave 2 flocks about.. i liked the 1st reboot of F4.. i thought it was a good cast of characters actually. i give a LOT of leeway in those, i am not expecting a slam dunk block buster, just a good Comic Movie.. nobody wants the female silver surfer character.. its not about its a woman.. its about a Character SO SMALL in the MCU nobody KNOWS WHO THE FLOCK SHE IS.. they do it SOLELY for "Diversity and Inclusion".. F8ck of Disney.

Disney confuses me. Are they in the business of creating high DEI scores, or are they in the business of making money? The more they force this bullshit, the more I’m going to continue not tuning in.

I propose to updgrade the MSheU to the MShillU. Because only the Shills watch Marvel movies now...

Marvel won't learn from their mistakes

As long as Marvel remains under Disney, I won't be wasting any money on their films

Ad this point that multiverse is almost dead. Like doctor who. Their is only a few options left to save these universes...

I was already NOT going to pay to see this movie before the Silver Surfer announcement, the fact that Pedro Pascal is in it ensured I won't be wasting my money on this garbage. He's a racist and got a pass because of his politics. F Disney

The film hasn't even started and I've already given up on anything related to this distorted and totally insulting version that Marvel/Disney wants to push on me. A lame-tastic four made in China? No thanks. If they don't want to do The Real Fantasic Four from Earth 616, preferring a "bastard version" from a obscure What If, so be it. I refused to see Horrible Four and I refuse to waste my time with this version. I won't watch it, just as I haven't watched anything that I don't like. If they don't want to make the films for those who like comics and who really appreciate them, preferring to please a group who don't really care, so be it.

Silver looks too much like the color white and obviously white is bad. I hope Disney recognizes this and changes the color. May I suggest copper or bronze?

The fact that the Roger Corman version of Fantastic 4 is STILL the most accurate version is hilarious.

Please Disney, stop giving us "versions" of the characters we WANT.

"Still using all the muscles, except the one that matters?" -Agent Smith

I am years into my boycott and nothing I see changes that. Until Disney is out of business and destroyed I will not be happy or watching Hollywood movies ever again.

The amount of SHILLS who blindly defend this… it almost feels pitiful, ALMOST.

Shalla-Ball is a alternate Silver Surfer. well i'll go watch a alternate movie instead.

It’s almost as if no one with credibility will work for Disney any more

The Fantastic Four are bedoomed. Four are more than one. The FORM of the noun and verb must agree in number. The franchise/theme entitled "The Fantastic Four" is bedoomed. Franchise/theme each is singular. Singular verb therefore.

For those who are younger, the backlash to Keaton was really due to the fact that he was almost exclusively known as a COMEDIC actor… and of course he had a weird look with his receding hairline and bug eyes.

Is Disney aware that they're not supposed to use _that_ South Park episode as an instruction manual?

I'm so, so tired of that era. I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way, but wokism has really destroyed my life. Up until the 2010s everything was fine, obviously not everything was rosy, but we didn't have a Marxist ideology destroying all Western pop culture. This brainwashing is really making me borderline depressed on a daily basis. I just want to enjoy the art of cinema for fuck's sake, I just want to play video games, without having this motherfucking ideology in my face. Is there ever going to be an end to this? Is Hollywood ever going to get bored of this bullshit, or is the aim to turn us all into degenerates? Fucking sad.

There are no stars in this cast. Pedro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby are not going to open a big budget 4 quadrant movie, so I wonder what the end game here is, a financial write off once it flops?

Surfer is my favorite character, Alternate universes are stupid. Surfer is one of the greatest characters ever made. His honor, his sacrifice, his morale and ethical strength is un paralleled.