I stole 1 sweetroll. got caught, told the gaurds I'd rather die, and now I'm a mass murderer who's wiped out 7 cities already. Things escalated pretty quickly...
But if you were TRULY evil, you would have crushed Faendal's heart by marrying his love. Yeah, I think this top 5 list is pretty tame compared to the WANTON RAMPAGE you can revel in at any time and messed up shit the daedric princes make you do.
Killing Nilsine is even worse if the dialogue you choose before killing her is: "Can you hear that? It's the sound of your sister, screaming in the Void."
Been Green dude my sacrifice to Boethiah is always either Faendal or Sven whichever I helped cause they’re useless once you get to Whiterun and can get like Lydia or Uthegard or Jenessa (provided you have 500 gold that is)
Well I once entered an ork village while having the call of boethia quest active. Fortunaly for me there was an ork having an argument with the others because he wanted to leave the fortress and explore the world. I was so kind that I encouraged him to follow his dreams and follow me. Then I obviously sacrificed him to boethia
My own funny experience with Faendal: In the beginning I chose to help him with Camilla, but later married Camilla myself, totally forgetting the whole Lovely Letter quest. But even though he would say mean things when he saw me, I could still make him my follower. Which I never did. But I noticed he started to pop up randomly, like at my homesteads or cities or even dungeon entrances. So I fast-traveled to Labyrinthian one day, and guess who was there? FAENDAL. And he ran off the fight the trolls and of course ended up getting himself killed. I thought it was funny, but just went about my business. So a bit later I fast-traveled home, and a courier gave me a letter of inheritance. From who, you ask? Faendal! I guess we had a weird relationship
In my case, I married Camilla without ever talking to Faendal or the bard. I didn't even know their rivalry existed... until Faendal showed up in my home, telling me to give her the forged letter. So in context, Faendal comes off as being SUCH a petty bastard that he wants to destroy my wife's friendships. Needless to say, I told her all about it, and he got super-pissed at me. He never attacked me, though. He'd just occasionally show up and be passive aggressive at me.
the letter of inheritance is a weird thing that happen sometime, i was doing a vamp quest were i had to kill somebody, so i actually get the person to follow me, screw that person trough sex mod and then killed her. then i get a letter of inheritance from a girl i have know for 5 minutes, screwed and killed. how bout that?
Yes, I sell her all my food. Like 50 septums worth, for her 17 then buy everything she has so she has food AND money. I would have adopted her if I hadn't had children already.
@@primrosett like the old meme "JUST DO IT!" Let's kill him. You know it's one thing if your kid is like Braith, back talking to every one older and bullying kids your age, maybe not THAT cruel but still little resentment but these girls did nothing wrong and they're still hated.
Yeah I always wish I could just kill the blades I like the gray beards more anyway especially because it’s useless to kill paarthernax when being dovakiin is being part dragon
You can actually reveal to camilla that both guys were trying to deceive her by giving a letter to one of the men, prompting him to give a different and then pickpocketing the other letter. It's an actual dialogue choice with Camilla
So there is an event in which your child may bring a pet home. Should you choose to let them keep it but kill the pet after, your kid will say "I'm never speaking to you again." That should have made the list xD
@Astro Teller But they *are* children. Kids always say stuff like that and rarely mean it. If you want the consequences, go with the knowledge that them talking doesn't mean they've actually forgiven you.
@@IDAssassin Not punching Nazeem is up there to kicking puppies and murdering a family just to steal the candy from their youngest. He is just that much of a dick.
The time I married Camilla, Faendal was leaving my house, and he greeted me as if nothing had happened. Just upon entering the house and going up to the room, Camilla was lying on the bed, completely naked. I think that was one of the funniest things that have happened to me in skyrim
I don't care if you're a storm cloak or a an Imperial. Vampire or Dawn Guard. Join or Destroy the Brother hood. No choice matters, but if you kill Paarthurnax. Then you don't deserve any love in your live at all.
In the battleborn kid mission say to Braith: "You dont want to go to the orphaanage right?" So she is scared about going to the orphanage, then murder her parents.
You CAN tell Camilla that they are both dishonest. Got Faendral and talk to him, getting his fake letter. Go show it to Sven and he'll pen a fake letter. Now Pickpocket Sven and get Faendral's letter back. Now you can show both of them to her and she'll hate them both, freeing her affections for you to marry her.
I tried this, but for some reason it didn't work out for me; it allowed me to show her each letter individually, and she responded to each one, but whoever's letter I showed last was the one who got the shaft, and the other one was still happy with me afterwards. Not sure if a mod screwed that up or what. (I have a ton of mods installed.)
@@seb2750 3 years later and i was just in this same situation, it didn’t mark it as complete so i was sneaking around windhelm and the shatter-shield house for 2 days before i finally figured it out. went back to muiri and it progressed like normal tho
I chose the most evil thing I could, when I got the Camilla quest. I helped Faendal out and told him to follow me, then he ended up as a ritual sacrifice for another quest and I married Camilla. What a kind man.
You ever notice how as the protagonist you can murder people to death, frame people for crimes they didn't commit, but it's the Night to Remember quest that makes you want to tell everyone "no, I'm not a bad person, I swear I would normally not sell your goat or mess up your temple, I was just drunk I tell you!"
"If you kill two innocent people and proceed to raise their child as your own, I think it's fair to question your moral values." >Kazama sweats profusely
hahahahaha I gotta do that that's priceless, two dude fight over her only for her to marry a woman. man their pride would just dissolve into a pile of ash
@@falinestixiaolong9691 from what I've read, you can marry her at any time after you return the claw back to her father. Even after getting her with whoever you chose
Personally I think that if you're fighting a dragon in a village and a chicken becomes collateral damage which resulted in the villagers attacking you, you have the right to kill them all, they're technically the evil ones for valuing a chicken more than they value the life of the guy that was trying to save them from a dragon.
When I first found Faendal at my house( married Camilla), my first thought was completely and totally rational. I sacrificed him to Boethia so he would never appear again.
I once slaughtered an entire village. The game glitched and I was being attacked by 5 dragons at once. At one point I must have killed a villager's chicken by mistake. The Villagers started to attack me while I was battling the dragons. Shadowmere and I eventually defeated the 5 dragons and the entire village. The only people left standing were NPC's which cannot be killed. This is when it get's evil. I stripped all the clothes off the dead bodies and made a pile of them in the center of town.
this actually happened to me in Dawnstar, except I killed the innkeeper's daughter because her voice was terrible, and despite the fact that I was hidden, the innkeeper still tried to kill me every time I saw him so I killed him to get it over with, next thing I know there's maybe 20+ completely looted bodies in one room in a pile.
@@joniet6396 Killing Villager's chickens are always great fun. In another game glitch, I killed Adrianne Avenicci when I turned into a werewolf for the first time. After that, every time I went to the balcksmith shop in Whiterun, her stripped body could be found behind the counter inside her shop. It was just there, laying on the floor for about 30 hours of game play. No one seemed to care.
I stole a fruit, not even sure what one i pressed the wrong button in a menu -1 minute later, im standing in the middle of the market surrounding by corpses and fire, god I love this game :D
Personally i often make a pile of corpses after a battle in both Fallout and Elder Scrolls games. Mainly i feel like its the most of a "burial" i can do. And it adds an extra layer of immersion, for me at least.
On my first play through, I killed Nilsine without much thought, I just didn’t pay attention to the names on the corpses of the murdered women, and never broke into the shatter shield home in such a way that I discovered her mothers body, now I just feel bad.
To be fair about #4, going to Rorikstead, killing Lemkil and then adopting Sissel and leaving Britte to rot in Honorhall could actually be seen as a very good thing to do lol
The most evil choice? The choice made to make the thing of Meridia a random drop, so every player that started every new game would have to hear her annoying commands sooner or later. Every time I find the thing of Meridia, I close the loot window and walk away slowly.
Bonus evil points: If you kill Nilsine, prompting Tova's death, after awhile, you'll hear the patriarch of Clan Shatter Shield wandering the streets drunkenly lamenting the loss of his daughters and wife. Not only did you drive his wife to suicide, but the whole ordeal's driven him to drown his sorrows in wine, meaning he'll likely drink himself into an early grave.
So, in one of my Skyrim playthroughs, I decided I really wanted to adopt Svari. Only, she's not an orphan... So my Dragonborn took matters into his own hands - killed both her mother and father and offered to take her in. I thought all was well until one day she made a comment about me killing her mama and papa. So, yeah...
how come she talked about that in the first place?... what give her the hint?... is that just a 'moral' thing the dev put into it?... That game really never cease to amaze me...and in a way, trouble me too! Think about all the crap we got to play it constantly when a game like that still rock to this day... We have to admit that is fucking amazing!...and to a point, disturbing...
In terms of theory, it's arguably not completely evil, because it may be implied that he was plotting to enslave and kill humans again. Once you killed Alduin, you see lots of dragons meeting with Paarthurnax. What are they doing there? Perhaps receiving plans from the former right-hand man of Alduin? Even Paarthurnax stated that it is wise not to trust another dragon, for they were born to dominate and destroy, and even he feels the temptation to return to that state. While he claims to have overcome that great evil, what if he's deceiving you, the Dragonborn? By gaining your trust, he could just be waiting for you to die naturally since you're the only one capable of killing and stopping him. But all in all, that's just theory. Maybe he really became enlightened. Even I choose to spare Paarthurnax simply because I like him more and hated Delphine's bossy attitude.
TheAlmighty Blob Some argue that all of the death and destruction he wrought while serving Alduin is beyond atonement, and he deserves to die for his past sins. Personally, I don’t agree with this, but that is exactly why Nate used that very decision as an example of “morally grey”.
The only one I haven’t done is adopting a kid whose parents I killed, I can never bring myself to not run straight to Lucia and Sofie as soon as I’m able
I believe Jenassa is one of -- if not the -- the most powerful vanilla follower. I used to take her along through the entire game before I found Recorder and other followers @J Fz
You can actually get the books from the Caller without turning Orthorn over or fighting her. You can persuade her to give you the books, but I think your speechcraft has to be at a certain level to do it.
I haven't yet, but I fully plan to. I am dragonborn, as far as I'm concerned, Skyrim belongs to me and the weak should fear the strong. I'm just waiting until I have the smithing perk to work with dragonbone.
Wow, I'm watching this after I killed Nasine, and I'm like whoops, I didn't even pay attention to the fact they already lost someone, I just did it for the gold and xp 🤑
That thing with the child adoption isn't necessarily evil in all cases. There's a family in Rorikstead: Lemkil and his two daughters - Britte and Sissel. I've always felt sorry for Sissel - Britte constantly bullies her, and their father hates them both. All the other villagers consider Lemkil a terrible person for treating his daughters the way he does. So in one of my playthroughs I killed Lemkil and adopted Sissel, so that she could live in a family that would give her the love she deserves. I let Britte stay in the orphanage for being a terrible sister, but she is still better off there than with the father who didn't care about her at all. I mean, I still had no right to pass judgement on that family this way, but I'm trying to say is - not every situation is as black and white as Nate would have you believe.
I was coming here to mention that, in every playthrough, I make sure to make Lemkil "Disappear" so that Sissel could come with me. I even got a Children followers mod so she could be an adventurer like me
I think the most evil thing you can do is do the Dawnguard DLC, convince Serana to cure her vampirism, have her trust you, and then you Fus Roh Da her off a mountain.
The worst thing you can do to Serana is use mods to marry her after she makes it expressly clear that she was raped by Molag Bol and hates going into temples, and never wants to be married.
I really wanted to adopt Britte and Sissel, so I lured a saber cat to their village. I only meant for their horrible dad to be killed, but a few other people died as well. Lol Edit to add some things I just remembered: I liked making a mess of Belethor's shop. I don't recall really doing it to anyone else, just him for some reason. I'd go in and shout everything off the shelves. I might have done it to the alchemist next door too, but mostly I just cleaned her shop out or went snooping around her house jacking things before she came sprinting over all suspicious-like. And one time after vampires hit Whiterun, I saw a wine bottle rolling around on the sidewalk. Turned out to be Belethor's head.
Adopting a child whose parents you've killed can be a good person move, if they were evil or something, or maybe you're trying to atone for what you've done... But, yes, killing a child's parents FOR THE PURPOSE OF adopting them is, indeed, messed up.
From what I saw he isn't evil, he's just a broken man who had to take care of 2 little girls for years alone working on his farm, no wonder he's bitter.
yep, Lemkil is a monster. . . but to be fair. . . he does at least acknowledge their existence, and pays a little bit of attention to them...even if it is 100% negative. Poor Braith. . .Amren won't discuss certain topics with her, and her mother won't talk to her at all other than to yell at her to either go outside and play or read a book. It's done quite the number on the kid's psyche, causing her to be more violent and lash out at those around her. Perhaps a lonely female assassin should remove Saffir from the picture and take her place.....Amren and Braith deserve better.
He's a vile man but he's not evil. He beats his daughters and encourages you to do so as well but it is not without reason. How does that saying go "all gray clouds have a silver lining" his wife died in child birth and his daughters really do fuck all to help him. He blames his wife's death on them and in return he beats them. Its not evil its just cruellness commited by a broken man
There's a pile of rocks with a waterfall right next to Dragonsreach in Whiterun that's in perfect sniping distance to both Nazeem and preacher dude, but not in the line of sight for most guards (I'd level stealth up a bit before unleashing my rage). Hope that helps you with your perfectly legal activities ;)
The Shatter-Shields are the punching bag of misfortune. Their family heirloom stolen, eldest daughter got murdered, second daughter got assassinated, mother committed suicide, and the father became a hopeless drunk.
I think Mr. Garrison's (As Trump) quote from South Park is best... "I promise to FUCK them all to DEATH" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p1xiAXMqJIQ.html
Fun fact, I walked into Riverwood on my first playthrough, and Faendal was dead on the steps of the forge's steps. Don't really know what that was all about, but the blacksmith died about two weeks later.
I’m incapable of killing Cicero or Anoriath for the Dark Brotherhood. Anoriath (I think is how it’s spelled) is so nice and I like the conversations he has and exclaims of hunting. And I just really enjoy Cicero’s company
#3 the jilted lover trying to kill you. that my friend is called an easter egg. Also the cannibal thing really isn't that bad, if you become a vampire it's not really cannibalism, and if you're a werewolf you eat people all the time. I'd say something far more evil is the magical way you go from being a vampire to mortal. Requiring a filled black soul gem the implication is clear, you send a mortal soul to the Soul Cairn to reclaim your own. If you have been to the Soul Cairn you know what you have condemned the unfortunate person to... if you used a person's soul.
@@Hachimaro In the soul cairn you can put a soul gem in a lightning attractor and it'll become a full black soul gem, I do believe. Or you can kill a Dremora (Daedra) and it still counts.
Does the black soul gem have to be filled with a person's soul though? It's been a while but I thought it just needed a great soul, not necessarily a person.
Assuming nothing changed from when I did it any grand soul works, but the soul gem has to be black. It's not necromancy if you use a white soul, but the implication of the ritual is that it's necromantic in nature. All that said it's implied white souls don't normally go to the soul cairn. Those that are there like the horse probably got there another way, or were daedric in nature.
Hahaha* this was a pretty cool video, I enjoyed it and learned a few things in the process*😁* I recently did the quest with Orthorn and the books and I did set him free, but when I got to the Caller she didn't offer me the deal (I didn't even know that she will give you the deal until this video) so I ended up having to fight her, but sadly after the dust settled and I turned around I saw that Orthorn had fallen in this battle*😔* I even tried reloading the previous save to see if I could save him, but I kept getting the same result so I just accepted it cause after like the third time it started to feel like I was torturing the poor dude*🙊
you can also refuse orthorns help and just free him then when you meet the caller alone she will offer to let you take the books as long as you then quickly leave, which was my choice. after all the mess i had just inflicted on her followers it only seemed fair.
In one of my playthroughs I did exactly that with Camilla. I helped Faendal, but I decided to marry her and I enlisted Faendal with the blades and sent him away! And I love it when I did it!
05:27 "What's evil in eating good meat?" Said by random Bosmer in Valenwood, funny thing is when Werewolves kill and eat meat it's bad, when NAmira followers kill and eat meat it is bad, when Bosmer does it everything is fine :P
There is still no worse sin in Skyrim than to kill or lose Meeko... I had to start my game over again when I found Meeko dead in some old location by spawning there using console X((((((
@@undeniableluck1239 dogs in skyrim or animals in general are annoying as hell, they stop in the middle of hallways and lie down and you gotta fus ro dah their asses to get them out of the way, followers are similar but because they stand vertical it's less of nuisance. I had the mod that adds Grunt the bear as a follower and by the 9 I swear I fus ro dah'ed that mutha fucker so many times to get him out of my way while I was being assaulted by hoardes of drauger and bandits that it's a wonder the fuzzy bugger didn't try to kill me. Animals are adorable and sweet but goddamn are their AI is dumb sometimes.
When he started the one with Faendel, Sven and Camilla I automatically remembered the poll he did with “who is most deserving of Camilla Valerius’ love” and after he said “those of you who answered Sven in our recent poll, we need to talk” so I thought he would say the evil thing was Sven marrying Camilla 🤣🤣
I didnt realize that telling the Blades that I killed Paarthurnax would actually kill him. I thought I was lying for my boy to keep him safe and now I'm reminded about it constantly cuz his skeleton keeps randomly showing up in Whiterun 😭😭
Oh come on Nate, THE MOST EVIL decision IS, to NOT Murder Grelod to Death! She is HANDS DOWN the MOST EVIL person in Skyrim, there is NO bounty for Murdering her to Death! She is FAR worse than the Fark Brotherhood, or Maven, she was Alduin in human form....let the bards sing about that! :)
@@laylaboyd6017 Are you serious? Nazeem is a just a dick, Braith's parents are caught up with themselves, and if you listen to Braith, she ACTUALLY likes Lars, and children are children. Grelod, is just DOWNRIGHT EVIL, she denies children from being adopted, having a life.
The blacksmith in Riverwood, he and his wife died when I was fighting a dragon, they ran infront of me so I hit them and the dragon just killed them, I adopted the daughter XD
You may talk about Nilsine and her family's story in a lot of videos, Nate, but I definitely think it deserves to be heard. I never thought about it when I did that quest, and even now I've never been in the Shatter-shield's home. I would have never known her mother was already grieving and... That's really saddening. Effectively ruining an entire family just for a few more septums... It just... Makes me so sad... Suicide isn't a joke kids Please get help if you're considering it...
those family members are not gonna pay me any septims to keep her alive. and ya boi likes them shekels. i like people to hear the cling and clang of my coins right before they die.
@@Hellboydec do a lil bit of that shekel shuffle nam sayin? cold af in skyrim, and last time i checked doin shit for free dont pay for that heating bill.
I dunno. They really were pretty shitty toward Miri & did a lot to ruin her life. First she's used & dumped by a man she thought loved her & then is betrayed & dumped by people who were like her family & she had to leave her home. Maybe it's karma on the Shatter-Shields.
Hey Nate I know this is not that video but I found a very odd Random encounter while I was having fun taking over Windhelm some Rieklings randomly came and helped me in Jarl Ulfric Stormcloaks throne room itself!! I'm not sure if that's a random occurrence or not but I thought I'd bring it up for your next video on randon encounters in Skyrim. Huge fan! Keep up the awesome work
I've done the quest with the love triangle between Faendal, Sven and Camilla Though I can't say I've done the one between Fayendell, Savenn and Cameela
You know the dark skinned cannibal girl in tribal looking warpaint? That's not her character design in my game. In the copy I've got she is a white girl with one of those evil looking white blind eyes and no face paint at all.
Yustin J. Do you know which mod makes eola look like that? The one i got for her is... less than satisfactory. Honestly I'd love a super mod that makes all npcs look that good lol
@@HazenColones I don't remember exactly but look deeper into the mods that change the appearance of npcs, I'm sure you'll find something that changes all of them in one go...or so I remember.
After killing Paarthurnax, Arngeir of the Greybeards will tell you words that cuts more than a blade and shakes you to the very core more than a Shout does.
Imo an evil choice is never solving the Windhelm murders. Literally got a quest for an amulet from a female argonian,went to buy produce and heard a stab noise once I got out of the menu to buy things. I get a notification saying I failed her quest and I turn around and she’s dead. I didn’t catch the murderer either so I reloaded and actually got the right guy. I wonder how many npcs would end up dead if you never solve it
I really enjoyed this video. I never knew I could just trade off Orthorn for the books, and I've played Skyrim since early 2012. But about that killing..er...murdering to death the parents of certain kids thing, it isn't entirely an evil thing. Of course, my example would be with Lemkil and his daughters, Sissel and Britte. In short, Lemkil is a total ass to his daughters, as he both verbally and physically abuses them because he is thinks they're to blame for his wife's death. This turn causes one of the kids, who I believe is Britte, to bully the other (I.e. Sissel). In almost every play through of Skyrim, I would never hesitate to murder Lemkil to death...never...at all. Afterwards, I would adopt Sissel, and always treat her like the little prodigy she can be. If Skyrim allowed me to teach her how to truly master the Arcane Arts (whenever I played my [now deleted] Arch-Mage character(s)), then Skyrim would'be gone beyond the 10/10. It would be a 11/10 for just that mechanic.
Liked this because i agree teaching your kids would be really cool wether its if archery like my archer would or alchemy like my doctor ether way it would be sweet
Kill an ex cultist turned priest trying to redeem himself by destroying a staff that was literally eating the dreams of an entire city. Even if you do the quest the staff really isn't that useful.
In my most recent build, I decided to not kill Nilsine because, while my character was morally gray and greedy, she wasn't *that* evil. A couple days after I finished the quest I found Nilsine dead next to a couple barrels with no explanation, especially since the butcher was already dead. I could've gotten paid for that 😭
This one didn't realize that Faendal was no better than Sven, so initially this one simply helped Faendal and showed Camilla Sven's forged letter and telling her it was forged. Now this one just ignores the two pigs, yet for some strange reason, this one never married Camilla.