Skyrim: Being an Argonian WORTH IT? - Elder Scrolls Lore 

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Argonia for the argonians. We will build a wall and the dunmer will pay for it.

#BlackMarshLivesMatter

Right here

+50 as well if you're a maid

Don’t forget +50 if you’re a male bard

Lord Shadowspawn I would be totally down for a lusty argonian maid

@Dillon Brunschon I didn't need to know your fanfiction pal.

@Dillon Brunschon So...is that draft done?

That would've been funnier of instead you said:Ah shit here we go again

XD

Or at least something like the Imperious mod does, where every race has some quest that unlocks a new perk/power once finished. (Hunting game for Bosmer, killing things marked by your ancestors for Dunmer, and other creative ones.)

@Maintenance Renegade jesus christ lol

That’s such a good idea

That is a great idea

ESO has it

water breathing is overrated in skyrim still my favorite race

Same they looook Dope

Skyrim was my first eldar scrolls game. I knew nothing about it, except that the protagonist was called the dragonborn. So I picked the most dragon-like character.

@@Batman_the_bad_man I litterly did the same

Waterbreathing in Skyrim is useless. Cool but useless

Woah

Thing is WE are the brain. We as brain control our body. So "you are a slave to your own brain" means that you are slaved to yourself.

JKGF well since the hist literally created them with a telepathic connection to itself it isn't too much of a stretch to say they are the hist

@@Jotunn96 So when wizzard have telepathic connection to his familliar it means familliar is the wizzard? Or when two wizzards have telepathic connection to other wizzard it means that we have one wizzard? But then which one? Also this telepathic connection works more on Hist side. So that would means that Hist is a wizzard and Argonians are his familliars.

JKGF That's a very loose comparison. A more accurate one which is actually used in the lore is that the hist is like a daedric prince and the argonians are like dremora. And unlike wizards and familiars both sides gain from the relationship in different ways even if one of them holds most of the power.

And thanks to mods you can make them look similar to dragons or snakes depending on the race/body mod you want.

argonians looking similar to dragons could really align with being a dragonborn too

Didn't you die like seven years ago?

The lusty LIZARD B O I maid

Most people refer me as the Lizard Man. And I’m of that race.

How is butt stallion doing?

Scaly bois

Shaking my head my head 😂

RedShadow Wolf 😂😂😂

smh my head, Imga or bust

ASAP as possible

Imagine not picking the superior race of the Bretons. RIP in peace tbqh.

Same here! Cheers!

Cut Energy drinks, porn and do sports in addition to his magnificient Videos, they wont occur that much again.

shoulda stayed there

@@watahmaan5400 Thanks now I'm cured xD

Same

mine is named szuck'r'burg

Awesome name. Mine's named, "Lilly Pads".

nice mine is hides-in-shadows

Mine is drinks-all-fires

It will be Mr Takes-Your-Maidens for me

Same here.

Boa tarde amico

I just like pretending to be a shadowscale cause sithis is cool

Add the mechanic fact you can't fight underwater and there is nothing much underwater without mods...... It's basically not worth it..... (Even some of the Story Mechanics don't really support Argonians.) (For Skyrim)

Dillon Brunschon pretty sure it used to be that Skyrim’s version of Vampires were Aquatic by nature, living in frozen water or something. (Read it in one of the first book I came across in Oblivion.) But lore stuff seems to change all the time.

😂😂😂 you're all mad bastards! This community is the freaking best 🤗

For me it is, I dont play for stats or perks, just for roleplay. Thats why I prefer to wear the DB armour instead of the best one in the game.

Loreshelter no

Zerum no

XD

Well the hist trees were exterminated so now their minds are free

@@Fenris2 When did that happen ?

But the Argonians damn near wiped out the Dunmer for their slaving practices so they aren’t slaves now really

I will always play as an Argonian

imagine playing a fantasty rpg just to play a human i usually choose elves, even if they are quite a bland choice generally speaking, but khajiit and argonians are cool just in my opinion

Ok Argonian Hitler. Calm down there

@@jordandennis6794 THE UBERHIST

Imma make your peeps into boots

phrasing is important

He would laugh at the Argonian's pitiful effort to take down what was essentially a distraction.

@@Dethfield Yeah, so much of a distraction that he had to close all his gates...

@@angela_merkeI lets not forget the Argonians were warned by the hist about the oblivion crisis so they were prepared while the other races were caught off guard .

@@Dethfield I mean, canonically he stopped opening gates in Black Marsh during the crisis because the hist made the Argonians become temporarily jacked as they began invading Oblivion. To me, the Hist is the remaining consciousness of Lorkhan (I mean, they're like space trees right? and the only other planetoids we know are the moons, which are said to be the corpse of Lorkhan), and Argonians basically his equivalent of Dremora, as unlike the other races of Tamriel, there has been little involvement of the Princes with the Argonians at large, as far as I know, as opposed to Malacath and Orcs, Azura with the Dunmer and Khajiit, etc.) That's my theory, anyway.

bjorn britto that hardly makes the feat any less impressive since the hist is basically a part of them and vice versa

Argonians does not have anything from it so its not symbiosis. Only hist gains here.

JKGF the hist is literally the reason they exist, can change themselves biologically at any time and were not only able to repel but flat out massacre the daedric invaders during the oblivion crisis.

@@jkgf4671 Argonians don't gain anything from it? I guess the ones connected to the Hist who were clairvoyant due to it is just a canon fluke then. 😒

Well... is existing to serve a eternal master actually worth it? I mean that would not be symbiosis to me. Nord get to live by their rights and go to Sovngarde... now that's a symbiosis, Shor gains worship, Nords gain eternal enjoyment.

@@LokiSeidrGodI mean Symbiosis in the natural way. The Hist gifted lizards souls and humanoid forms to protect and serve their will and the Argonians gain Intelligence and sentience as well as the ability to reincarnate via the Hist roots.

Meredith Navin np

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There isn't really a satisfyingly canonical answer.

@@Altrantis At least one person at Bethesda is a scaley. Or they just saved time by making argonian females more like the others.

Boobs not only serve for nursing children in mammals, they're also meant to attract males. So maybe that's why 🤷‍♂️ or it's the same reason boob armor exists: because boobies.

Hunter Otte argonians also have claws

@@Vencidious Yeah but the Khajiits are more effective. But the argonians do get a small damage bonus, better than a man or elves nails by far either way.

@@hunterotte4085 Histskin is a life savior. It also works against warriors.

I just can't play as a human type race or elf as those have been played out millions of times in most games. Playing as the underdog race is the only choice for me, plus I can always use the imperious races of skyirim mod along with Daggerfall traits in order to get spell absorption or magic resistance.

Why go that boring route when there are many different routes you can take as an argonian? 😎 WIth mods no less.

​@@soundbytedj8938 cause shadowscales are cool

Immortal torment doesn’t sound like fun.

Yeah, have fun being a slave

@@juliopadilla2840 even tho the argonians were the only race able to fend off against mehrunes dagon's wrath of dremora everyone else was slaughtered to near extinction. Have fun getting destroyed by a daedra prince one day.

That doesn't matter to me I just like the lizard race because it's the underdog race.

@@davidross5640 I do believe you are from the south. YEEEEEHAAAAAA!

i called my first dinosaur

I named mine Chunka Saurus

Mine is currently named Warbux. He’s awesome lol

The Nazeem meme will never die.

Khajiits are the enemy of the nation, it's like you were born into a body that already robbed a bank.

Khajiit thanks you

Yes its well implied throughout the series that Argonians are basically just bodyguards the hist made themselves, and the hist only ever does the bare minimum to keep the argonions alive and populated to keep their defence force ready to protect them. The oblivion crisis is one of the best examples of this, as the hist supercharged the argonians solely to protect themselves. The Argonians made the choice to battle in dagons realm and the hist only kept them powered up in there because it would act as a deterrent for future invasions.

​@@narupiv I wonder if the Hist have some backroom deal with the Telvanni. Those wizards used a lot of Argonian slaves, some for far worse fates than plantation work, yet they were left relatively untouched.

@@acerba The Telvanni never directly threatened the hist, so the hist paid no heed to them as rhe argonians lost could just be replaced.

@@narupiv The Hist only care for Argonian as a whole race, not as individuals. Some argonians being slaves means that they will be seen as an useful resource that should be preserved instead of an enemy that must be destroyed.

WHAT IS THIS PROPHOCEY?!!??!!?!

Daddy Smurf then people attacked and burned the rest

Also bring Inigo so that he can talk shit to racists if they tell you anything. He actually does that.

@@crishealingvtuber8626 good, I personally have to drop a quicksave every time I walk by someone and they call me a lizard. Pisses me off

Gabriel Arkangelo she's actually saying "Ni Ni Ni...", and is secretly one of the Knights who used to say "Ni!" who now say "Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!"

My elder scrolls life is a contradiction! My two favourite races are Argonians and Dunmer 😖

What's not to like? Well, your homeland being plot nuked by Bethesda, for starters. And those raspy voices aren't a plus either. Probably all that damn ash in the air, though.

@@monochromaticspider *extreme coughing fit* Damn ash.....

Being a dunmer is a great pick... if you're not in the 4th era. I think the best race to be is Altmer, since the other good option, dunmer, have problems in the 4th era. They live very long, they know magic which is fun and practical, women love them (seriously, you wouldn't believe how many girls love Ondolemar on the internet), and most of them seem to live in relative luxury. The only downsides is nords and redguards can be assholes to you sometimes, and you have to live to the high expectations of your society. Don't like the dominion? No problem, you can be a Direnni altmer, or a Cyrodiil altmer.

@@ThatOneInTheBackground same cant we work together to burn humanity and altmer kind to ash

Argonians seem to be warm blooded, so you won't need a heat lamp, but a heat rock may be comfortable for you

These are the real questions.

Ah, the Cat vs. Lizard debate!

Inigo got adopted by an argonian x khajiit retired assassin couple.

@Lobo is Fat Shut up scaley!

@Maintenance Renegade how the fuck sapiens tree is crack?

@@derkreuzfahrer9134 Sleeping Tree Sap, which comes from hist trees, is considered a drug in Skyirm. Much like skooma is a drug, even tho both are socially acceptable in their respective countries

No. They're constantly getting kidnapped, and the guards do nothing about it. #SweetrollLivesMatter

@@cryptaronincheese Or stepped on before readying for the fight

Everytime I play as a sweet roll some random generic Kahjiit thief player LITERALLY steals my girl....so as fun as sitting around doing nothing all day is....No

I'm the daedric prince of deez nutz

The didn't just fight them off, they reverse invaded Oblivion

@@VanpyroGaming0 They invented "no u". XD

In Argonian Black Marsh mortals invade you.

Mehrunes Dagon: *attempts to invade Mundus* A race of lizard men: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"

I still prefer Dark elves

It's not worth it anyway.

A killer Pacman Fucking Communist.

A killer Pacman No

Well, yes, actually no, if you think about it, maybe both...or not

I AM chinese 😂 its not bad

Ahmed Falahy the dragonborn is canonically a Nord

Argonian maid

@@jackmurray411 A trailer won't change my mind. Dragonborn has the blood of dragons & Argonian are kinda sorta dragonian with their scales and horns.

@@dajohnniesanders6997 Plenty of time

Argonians did not save Tamrel Martin Septim did.

Lizard boii almost died because of an circus clown fym😂😂😂

@@Joshua-pw6eq Cicero was powerful with a blade, he got a werewolf to bleed and take a knee after all. So he probably just had more or better training than our favorite Shadowscale assassin

@@shadowhunter1429 He also lashed out out of nowhere on Veezara, whereas the werewolf knew he was a threat.

@@theblueslimeboi actually he attacked Astrid, who our lizard boi jumped in the way to protect her

Matthew Chirino yeah barbed benis

Why a nord? Any specific reason or is it just because they're the strongest race of man

@Ahmed Ghazi wow that's so racist. The nords are like any other human group. They have both a strong bardic tradition, and who's culture is strong and traditional. They're only barbaric to people with sticks up their ass. The orsimer have been rejected by every other race. The strongholds are simple, but the true culture is in the traditional saxked orsinium like any other people they have a culture. Just because it's a warrior tradition doesn't mean it's terrible. Let's apply it to the dunmer, who have a warrior caste and legal assassination. Or the altmer, who think that they have the right to treat everyone else as inferior

@Ahmed Ghazi thats some real life prejudice against a fictional race "this race stupid"

@Ahmed Ghazi the altmer are weaker on average. They are arrogant and cruel, enslaving goblins and have an obsession with ethnic purity. The dunmer culture is incredibly xenophobic, cruel, and often times insane Both have lost to the races of mankind, both are just as cruel, petty, and stupid as everyone else.

The Lusty Argonian Trans Maid?

It is entirely possible that the human writing the story ether didn’t know that or didn’t care and just wanted his fantasy fulfilled in writing. Technically, the lusty Argonian maid is only a book character to the people in Tamriel, not a historical figure!

@@Monderoth stop ur ruining my dreams. Shes real😠😢. 😂jkjk

@@Monderoth Well, it does bring up an important question about Argonian biology. If Argonians are egg laying reptiles, while do female Argonians have breasts?

weldonwin Well the two don’t exactly rule each other out. Even baring the idea that they’re reptiles molded into the shapes of humans, there are still mammals in the monotreme order who produce both milk and eggs so the two don’t rule each other out!

I love bretons,mostly breton battlemages or spellswords,they are also great thinkers and artists.

Do you get treated worse than a dunmer? I only played dunmer

You’re property and trash

supernova582 it’s very interesting many people don’t like you. If you play as an Argonian they often comment on that. And yes I think the Argonians are the most hated race in The Elder Scrolls universe.

As a dunmer you just get hated by nerds saying were spys from the aldmary Dominion, or nords general distrust of elfs I understand it's based on Ignorance but overall it's not too bad alto we get called milk drinkers also we get hate from the Argoneions and some from orcs the high elfs think poorly of us but the other races are fine

@@supernova582 as an always argonian, I don't get treated nearly as bad as the fool who calls an argonian with the mace of molag baal and azura's black star a lizard. They typically get turned into either a boot enchantment or a shield one.

well with that i would still pick dunmer it might be a hot unforgiving land completly different from my cold wet homeland buut culture similar and life span and magic is cool plus dunmer red heads

Ben Skyrim!!! They’re running out of ideas

lets argue yes they should do a top 5 builds video after they finish talking about the races. Or maybe favorite build for each race?

Favorite build for each race, definitely!

Are maormer extinct? I think they just live on their own island

@@ZedJay23 Don't know, but if they are still around, I wouldn't mind an appearance in TES VI.

Been a dom for years. On your knees you dirty sub

the dunmer are allowed and own property in windhelm, the argonians are crammed into a small room outside of windhelm and not allowed into the city proper.

@@jessecosgriff7610 If I remember correctly, this is to prevent the Argonians and Dunmer from killing each other. And this is only in the city of Windhelm, in the other cities there is no problem with the Argonians. They are even business owners like in Riften.

@@void9399 maven black-briar owns the bee and barb, talen-jai and keerava only work there. the only argonian that seems to own a buisness is modesi, where as there are several establishments all around skyrim that are owned by dunmer, there is : new gnisis cornerclub, the white phial, sadri's used wares, and calixto's house of curiosities. plus Aval's merchant stand (inside windhelm, the only place that you hear specific discrimination against dunmer) hlaalu farm (outside windhelm) drunken huntsman (whiterun) all the places on solstheim( only mentioning not really counting for obvious reasons) the fletcher (solitude) the point is that the dunmer at least seem to be able to own property while the argonians dont, they all have to live either in one bunkroom outside of windhelm (not even allowed inside) or in some other bunkhouse in riften. so if we are talking about discrimination, being allowed to own property seems alot less discriminatory than being forced to live in a single common area and not even allowed to enter the city you are employed by. i understand that the dunmer are being "contained" in the slums in windhelm, and that they are being discriminated against, but they are at least allowed to own property and run several successful businesses. and you only see dunmer discrimination physically in windhelm. and yes you hear nords yell that "skyrim belongs to the nords" and "damn elves" but they dont even refer to argonians as their title, only lizards and that they will use their remains as ornamentation.

@@jessecosgriff7610 I think you're wrong, both the Wiki and IGN claim that Keevara and Talen-Jei are the owners of The Bee and Barb. Even the comments between Keevara and Talen make it clear that they buy the Mead from Maven. Logically, if Maven were the owner of the inn, they would not have to buy the mead, since she would supply it because it was her own business. elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/The_Bee_and_Barb www.ign.com/wikis/the-elder-scrolls-5-skyrim/The_Bee_and_Barb Modesi is also the owner of his own jewelry business. In Solitude there is also Gulum-Ei, who works for the East Empire Company, taking charge of the warehouse in that city. That is a very important position for the company, so it also highlights the confidence that Argonians have. In the Winterhold area you can discover the body of an argonian that belonged to the College, and also during the main story of that faction you can see the spectral form of Takes-In-Light, another Argonian that belonged to the College. So in the College there does not seem to be discrimination against the Argonians either. The only place that shows something like this is Windhelm, although in that place it also discriminates against all those who are not nords, and as I said before, this measure seems to be focused on preventing a greater conflict between dunmers and argonians Another point to take into account is that in Skyrim there are not many NPCs that are argonians, which makes sense because it is a cold place, a climate that the argonians do not like, and Black Marsh is in a very strong state, which makes no sense for the argonians to get out of there. On the contrary, due to the lore of Red Mountain, there are many NPCs that are dunmer. But although there are not many Argonians, those examples that I put make it clear that the few that are there, they are in a position of power and trust. So discrimination does not seem to be a high factor with the Argonians We must remember that in Skyrim there are many negative comments towards all races that are not nords, so it is a mistake to fall into the cherry picking to try to say that the nords refer to the argonians in a worse way. But something that stands out a lot is that almost the majority of the negative comments that random NPCs say are against Imperials and Elves. Which makes sense due to the civil war with the Empire and the long history of conflicts against the elves Another element to support the idea that the Argonians do not suffer so much discrimination is found in Oblivion. In this game a certain disposition was implemented between the different races, and the Argonians were among the races that did not have positive or negative elements with other races. On the contrary, the Dunmer had -10 with the Argonians and Altmer, and -5 with all the other races. So with this dynamic, the designers showed the type of conflicts and discrimination that different races usually have. From a lore point of view, it also makes sense, because the Dunmers have been slavers, have been in several wars with humans, and are often elitist, on the contrary, the Argonians tend to keep away from conflicts, and do not usually have severe problems with the other races.

@@void9399 first of all i would like to say that i am loving this conversation about some of my favorite games, thank you for this Gabriel. as to oblivion, the Argonians lore wise were neutral because of their aggression towards the Daedra (the Daedra had to close all the portals in Black Marsh because the Argonians were so effective that they counter invaded the Daedric realms), and that they had trade relations to the empire, but live in an alien way in an alien environment. i mean, in the video we are having a discussion on, it is said that the other races have a hard time relating to Argonians because they don't emote in the same way most folk do. where as openly Daedric worshiping Dunmer were seen negatively during the oblivion crisis, i don't think it had much to do with them being Dunmer themselves but rather the Dunmer were seen as conspirators to the Daedra(which was not the case, just an easy target) back to skyrim: gulum-ei is not in control of the east empire company warehouse in any regard, he works there as a front for his thieves guild operation, and in the thieves guild quest to follow him, he takes an unknown back entrance into bandit controled territory, vittoria vici is the current... i guess "foreman" would be the correct term(depending on the dark brotherhood quest status) any time you need to have items released that are being held by the east empire company in solitude, you talk to her. to the point you made about the Argonian mages, you are absolutely correct that the college does not discriminate(besides the school of restoration), the archmage is a Dunmer afterall (or...was). on to talen-jei and keerava are under the employ of Maven black-briar. they get generally listed as owners because they are the merchants tied to that location. maven tells you during the thieves guild questline that she owns the bee and barb as well as the brewery they don't claim to buy the mead, only that they need to get more form her. you are also right that there are drastically less Argonian NPCs than Dunmer which leads me to the "quantity" portion of your argument, that the small amount of Argonians we see in game hold positions of trust and a modicum of power. to this i refer you to my list of several locations where Dunmer do in fact solely OWN and operate their businesses (the list numbered eight if i'm not mistaken) where as there are only two instances of Argonians holding positions of anything other than indentured servitude, or menial labor. those being the aforementioned Modesi, Talen-Jei, and Keerava. on your stance claiming that the reason they don't let Argonians into windhelm for the sole reason of preventing conflict, i ask for proof, as i have sunken hundreds upon hundreds of hours into the game and have never once heard any sort of dialogue that points to this or even mentions it. fact of the matter is the Argonian workers in windhelm have no property to own and the Dunmer do. finally the "cherry-picking" you refer to also acknowledged that the Nords call out hateful thing towards all races that are not themselves Nords. i quoted the lines: "skyrim belongs to the Nords!" and the vastly over-used "damn elves!". i don't see how that was cherry-picking, my point there was to show that the nords still call the elves "elves" while they don't seem to care enough about the Argonians to label them anything other than animals, and threaten to mutilate their corpses to make clothing. they do this with the Khajit as well calling them "cats". all in all, i believe that Argonians are treated worse throught skyrim specifically and in a worse manner that the Dunmer. i hope you read this carefully and that you see my point of view, and even if you don't i hope you have as much fun as i did holding this debate with you.