I truly love this scene. Both of them weren't wrong in what they said: Chloe had been more or less abandoned for three weeks, immediately after her husband died. Of course she's going to try to get him back; she loved him, and just wants everything to go back to normal. And the fact that Clark's realized that he has no right to decide who lives and who dies is a great thing: it's a lesson he should have learned a long time ago.
I said to my when we were watching this scene on the night it premiered. I would’ve written into the scene asking Chloe that if Clark goes back and saves him. Don’t be surprised if destiny forces Chloe to take Jimmy’s place instead
Oh please!!!!! Chloe treated Jimmy like crap. She gaslighted him, tasered him and help to hide and cover up for Davis. When green kryptonite shower couldn’t kill him she decided to to play hide the monster in the basement. PS dude who died wasn’t Jimmy.
" Both of them weren't wrong?" Clark was well within his rights for refusing to play god and resurrect Jimmy Olsen( that's not his place to do such a thing) his destiny throughout his life is too help and save the lives he can and become earths greatest hero and to be of service for humanity. (Chloe tried too use her friendship to her advantage), and when clark said No? Chloe pulled out the self pity card to make her best friend feel bad and that is a definite sign of pure disgrace and weakness on Chloe's behalf.
Your heart breaks for Chloe and yet clark was placed in a tough spot for not interfering with human history. He's done that before, and it cost him his father's life. (Clark is a savior, not a voodoo priest or a warlock)
wop, I loved this scene, thank you for uploading it! one of the most emotional ones in this season premiere. although it's totally unfair of Chloe to ask, it was still heartbreaking. and when Tom said "I'm not God" - one of the best lines of the episode. it's also nice to see that Clark's finally begun to find his own way, and be more confident in his decisions. thanks one more time for the upload;D
After watching the first half of Season 9, I'm wondering if it was Clark thinking Lois was dead for him giving up his human side, b/c at first you assume it is Jimmy being killed, but after Clark sees Lois is still alive in "Savior", he begins to reconnect with his friends. Just a theory.
Instead of going back in time and saving Jimmy, how about going back in time and preventing Chloe from ever getting involved with Jimmy, and have Clark and Chloe become a couple after their season 5 kiss so we can avoid the Clark/Lana mess of seasons 6 and 7?
I am from the future, Chloe ended up on the wall of weird. Since she's in jail for helping run a sex slave cult and branding girls with her and her cult leaders initials, she won't have the time to cameo on the CW verse.
@xOmniCloudx i think it's more about him learning from his mistakes. something has gone wrong every time he's messed with time. I love Chloe and understand her position, but I equally understand Clark's too to be fair.
I loved chole but this made me mad because she knows what happened to his dad because he changed the past. Time will find a way to correct itself and someone else will die or the person they saved will die anyways. Clark is sparing the guilt he felt over what happened to his father from chole.
i'm with clark on this one, changing fate even with good intentions can drastically alter the timeline and change the future into who knows what and it's never good believe me
Exactamundo! Of course Chloe doesn't realize that. She's too blinded by her emotional constipation. Leave it to a woman to let emotions get in the way.
@xOmniCloudx Everything you just said only proves that he IS Superman. If he didn't learn jack from what had happened he would've gave in to Chloe. Doing what he did proved he learned from his father's death. Had he gave into Chloe, someone else would've died in her place. Chloe has every right to grieve, but she has to look at it from his point of view. Everyone looks at him to be some sort of God. She shouldn't have put that pressure on him. Clark is NOT an ass. He is doing what is right.
Chloe is completely wrong here.......just because he has the power to change the past doesn't mean there won't be consequences for doing it. He's right, he isn't a god. And I am sorry chloe is literally saying it's okay for someone else to die in jimmy's place but he will be alive....I think she's the one who's losing her humanity here. The last time clark did this, his dad died. No one in his position would do something like this again. I know jimmy never deserved to die, he was one of the best characters on this show and he was a truly great man but his death and his involvement in the first place was chloe's fault just as much as clark's, maybe even more. She chose not to trust time at a time like that but trusted the guy who kissed her before the wedding and was a serial killer? I mean she said the vows to jimmy to always love and cherish in sickness and in health, in good times and bad which included having faith in him but she really screwed up there, I am sorry to say.
funny that Clark did not think anyone could die when he used the same legion ring to go back in time and fix his stupid mistake of revealing to the world his identity. Ninth season was a fiasco for being incoherent with the friendship of Clark and Chloe long before this scene, when Clark left leaving Chloe when she most needed him in the last episode of the eighth season.
Cenas Chlark it should have just been Clark and Chloe. Then she would give a hoot about any of these shady dudes coming out of the woodwork to mess up her character.
@@cenaschlark7793 To be fair, he destroyed the ring afterwards. Not to mention, it was really because he couldn't help anyone if the world knew who he was and thought he was a dangerous invader. And yeah. I'll admit the show is incoherent with certain things.
@@cenaschlark7793 He did that because the world chose to see him as a threat and he was no longer safe because of that. He gambled revealing his secret to the world in that episode and was wrong which is why he reversed it.
Though chloe was protecting her loved ones she was the one who screwed up the most. Sending davis to the phantom zone was the right choice if she didnt interfere otherwise everything would've went back to the way it was and jimmy would still be alive, but hay whats done is done and though clark could've went back in time stop jimmy from bein killed he can't because from his experience nothing good doesn't come from changin fait. Chloe has to deal with her own grief/mistake cuz like i said she's the one who screwed up the most while though clark is her best friend he can't always be there for her to help get her out of the whole she dug herself into he has a greater task which is becoming the hero he's intended to be. And in season 9 chloe mentioned jimmy once and no tellin how long since his death she all of a sudden hooks up with Oliver and everyone just quickly forgot about jimmy to me thats selfish and it sucks.
@xOmniCloudx Revealing his secret identity in season 8 was, at the time, the only thing Clark could do that didn't violate his no-killing policy. Clark only had ammo against Water-lady-whateverthefuckhernameis because he had KNOWLEDGE OF THE FUCKING FUTURE and how the woman was going to act. Therefore he had time to prepare. He had to go back in time or risk the people he loved getting hurt to get to him.
@@thomask70 The total disrespect she had shown to the man who has saved her from the brink of death was absolutely uncalled for. In so many words she practically labeled clark a monster without love or compassion all because he refused to resurrect Jimmy Olsen. So idk what you mean when you said her views weren't completely invalid. She was way out of line.
@@Chizzy-hd6im keep in mind, Chloe knows many of Clark’s secrets, INCLUDING most likely his occasional use of “resets”. Hence why she asks him to do so, but he’s also PAINFULLY aware of how it affects you going forward. See the Lana Proposal/death/reset/Death of Johnathan Kent. Clark was warned, but still, if Chloe is aware of it, she doesn’t nesc. feel the PAIN of such a decision. So from ONE vantage point, he’s a monster for not doing it, but he’d be a larger monster down the road WHEN it goes wrong. “It’d be better if you didn’t bring him back”. I’m speaking in hypotheticals of course. And of course your right, she had no right to ask that of him after already having saved her life! Especially so many times. I’m just looking deeply at the peripherals.
@thomask70 Despite Chloe's apparent vulnerable state over losing Jimmy, she knows clark lives by a different set of ethics, so when he denies her the opportunity of ever seeing Jimmy again she completely disregards not only their friendship, but his feelings as well. Unnecessary on her behalf. We're all aware on the many time's clark had pressed the reset button and each time he had? Along came a temporary fix resulting in a lifetime of regret. ( Chloe knows that more than anyone). What she asked of him to do comes with a consequence when he interferes with human history. (Johnathan Kent's death is all the more reason as to why I believe clark was justified in his decision not too make another reckless choice.)
“Where there’s death, there will always be death.” - Griffin (MIB 3) Sometimes, even if there was a chance to go back, you can’t change the past. Clark went back in time to prevent Lana’s death after telling her his secret and he succeeded, but fate was still in play and took Jonathan Kent’s life instead, which was an even more horrible outcome. I’m honestly not sure if Clark broke up with Lana afterwards partly because he blamed her for his father’s death. I’m sorry Chloe, but you are asking for the impossible because who knows who would take Jimmy’s place if he survived. Besides, Davis/Doomsday killed Chloe (presumably) after Clark revealed his identity in ‘Infamous’ before changing reality back to normal, where Davis killed Linda Lake instead (which wasn’t really a bad thing) but all that’s just another example about how fate can’t be stopped. None of us like or even agree towards how fate plays into our lives especially when it takes away those we love, but it’s all a part of life and there’s nothing we can do.
Clark was right.... normally in any show or movie or anything regarding time and changing destiny especially when it comes to death when one life is saved another must be given so eben though you may save the original person who you meant to save someone else will die to take there place and you never know who it will be
@@parkerboy795 I know he did,but I'm saying he would do it again lol. Him and Lana never learned their lessons in regard to each other. He would have at least tried to think of some other way to bring Lana back.
@@gamblertoguru382 , Lana became waking and talking being made of pure Kyrptonite, and not once did Clark go back to the time where Lana has the super suit that gives her the same powers as Superman, and him bringing in that Lana Lang to join up with the Legion of Superheroes in the 31st Century, so no Chloe is entirely in the wrong in this scene where her mentioning about Clark losing all of his humanity because of he was embracing his Kyrptonian side fully instead of his human side then he would have not only saved Jimmy from dying from Davis, but he’d also would have placed the Lana Lang with the Superman suit in the 31st Century with the rest of the Legion of Superheroes.
@tedwhoisdriving I think Clark will always be Chloe's ultimate hero. But I agree, Oliver is a lot better for her than Clark could ever be. Just two different relationships.
I hated Chloe so much in this scene. He literally told her that the last time he tried to play god he lost his dad and she’s asking him to do it again with no concern for who gets taken for jimmy to return..
It was his idea to split Davis's human side from Doomsday using black kryptonite. Oliver just wanted to kill him. I don't think Clark was necessarily wrong though. He chose to believe that Davis's human side was worth saving (which is admirable). None of them predicted that Davis would be just as much of a murderous psychopath as a human as he was as Doomsday.
@@Revenger-ob3ni She did. And then Oliver wanted to kill him but Clark was against that since he doesn't kill. It was Clark's idea to use Black Kryptonite to split his personalities. So he shares some responsibility in Jimmy's death considering Davis turned out to be just as much of a psychopath in his human form.
@@faster_xx Yes he does. Especially since he had enough time to look for Davis but didn't and even tess and oliver called him out for it. He's usually reactive instead of proactive.
i dont blame chloe and i feel bad for her but Clark is right, if he did go back in time to save jimmy not only would he change history and someones destiny but also who would die in jimmy's place?
Exactly because the universe and nature finds a balance. Someone else would end up dying. Like in Season 5 it was Lana who had died first that was why he went back in the first place but he ended up losing his father which is way worse. So he was right
“Where there’s death, there will always be death.” - Griffin (MIB 3) Sometimes, even if there was a chance to go back, you can’t change the past. Clark went back in time to prevent Lana’s death after telling her his secret and he succeeded, but fate was still in play and took Jonathan Kent’s life instead, which was an even more horrible outcome. I’m honestly not sure if Clark broke up with Lana afterwards partly because he blamed her for his father’s death. I’m sorry Chloe, but you are asking for the impossible because who knows who would take Jimmy’s place if he survived. Besides, Davis/Doomsday killed Chloe (presumably) after Clark revealed his identity in ‘Infamous’ before changing reality back to normal, where Davis killed Linda Lake instead (which wasn’t really a bad thing) but all that’s just another example about how fate can’t be stopped. None of us like or even agree towards how fate plays into our lives especially when it takes away those we love, but it’s all a part of life and there’s nothing we can do.
What’s annoying about this scene is how there are much better arguments on both sides than what is depicted - Chloe doesn’t have a leg to stand on and she would be the first to point that out so the fact that she lapsed into the cliché “I’ve never asked you for anything” is so weak because Clark never asked for anything from her either - everything she did she did because it was right - Clark telling her he’s not a god was a real Superman line though
LOL okay. I suppose all the times chloe has dug information because he was too dumb to do it himself doesn't count as anything. Or the times she saved his life.
@@kimberlychako7269 , Lois Lane saved Clark’s life from the Blue Kyrptonite dagger not Chloe, Oliver, or Tess, so if any female that’s on an equal playing field of human Clark Kent it’s Lois Lane not Chloe, Tess, or Lana Lang for that matter hence why Superman has Jonathan Kent with Lois Lane instead of Tess, Chloe, Lana Lang, or Lori Lemaris.
who knew Clark n Chloe will ever have a scene like this,,,'i'll spend every second looking for you, i'll find a way to save you' 'u mean a lot more to me than you know' 'I dt know what I'd do without you Chloe' that's what Clark usually say...dnt say he should bring Jimmy back or anythn bt after seeing this n pandora, evn if anythng happens to Chloe herself it'll not matter much to Clark
Darn, that was a hard-core scene... "I'm not God!" yeah, Clark isn't and he surely should have learned from the last time he played God. I just have a feeling that if it was Lois instead of Jimmy, he may have a different answer :-? Cause he's still very human when it comes to his feelings for HER :-)
chloe is wrong in a way for asking clark to save jimmy I understand her pain, but clark/the blur has a greater task placed before him and that's to save the world.
How dare Chloe ask him to do that?! And what does she mean with “us” & “we” it was her stupidity that Jimmy is dead and for crying out loud I thought the real Jimmy was not dead. The writers love to confuse the Hell out of people
Chloe was such a hypocrite here, like screw the possibility of Lois dying in exchange for Jimmy, just bring back Jimmy because she screwed up? Clark's human spirit also died, how would he have saved Jimmy? Doomsday was the far bigger priority.
If Clark had gone back in time, there would have been two Clarks. One would have fighting Doomsday and the other one could have saved Jimmy. But still if changes the past, there will definitely be consequences
i know right i mean what the heck was she thinking she put jimmy's life at risk and then she let the monster escaped for killing those people and i agree with oliver and jimmy had a problem with davis well me too because i don't care what the heck he is maybe this is what jor el need his son to kill this monster it's not just any selfish reasons it's his duty for krypton and for humanity
@@tobycattelI don’t think Chloe ever loved Jimmy in the way she thought she did she liked the fact that he liked her but that’s it because she was a terrible wife to him and it really shows when you compare Lois and clark’s relationship to Jimmy’s and Chloe’s relationship.
Lois loved Clark yes. Not the way Chloe loved him. Even when Chloe and Oliver later got together Chloe never stopped loving Clark. He will forever be her 1 and only love. ❤️🙏
There’s a possibility that Zor-El could have been the vessel of DarkSeid instead of Lex Luthor or Earth 2 Linel Luthor if Clark went back in time, and went to Davis immediately to throw his ass in the Phantom Zone before Chloe and Tess finds out, so yes Clark is completely in the right about his stances on time travel altogether.
Clark knows better than anyone not to mess with time. But of course Chloe is too emotional and irrational to get with the program. Leave it to a woman to let emotions get in the way.
i don't blame chloe 4 wat she said cause it's tru besides he's like her bro. but clark was rite as well.....i guess he waz afraid of d cosquences if he goes bac in time..i hav d 1st 9 episodes of season 9 on dvd an i keep watchin it ova an ova..i think season 9 is 1 of d best seasons in smallville
in later season 3 time he attack women, one under red K, the other two, she new chloe was kidnap and refuse to tell clark where she was, and next she had CLARK father kidnap, and again refuse to tell clark, so clark chooice where let chloe and his dad DIE, or attack tess, and his father did DIE, ps oliver was going to do the same dame thing.
Am I the only one that thinks Clark should have expanded on his own changing of the past? Lana died, he went back to change it, so save her... Johnathon dies as a result. “What if saving Jimmy, means Lois dies, or Oliver”.
@@goku43651 I think he only vaguely ever talked about it. In fact I don’t think it was ever more than “changing the past ever works out well, I tried” type deal. Now… if he tried to lay down what happened with Lana and his father to Chloe… she likely would have opened her eyes… maybe she would have stopped to think, who does instead? Maybe it’s be Lois… or MAYBE Clark…. That’d be an interesting take on those events tho.
@@thomask70 to be fair, the death Jonathan Kent wasnt just from time travel though, because Clark died in the beginning of season 5 and Jor-El brought him back to life while telling him that "The life of someone close to you will be exchanged for your own." The time travel element just changed it from being Lana to Pa Kent. So yes Clark did change fate which lead to Pa Kent's death and being force to have Lana for a few more seasons.
@@goku43651 true, but if he had TOLD CHLOE that when he changed history, that it was Lana’s death as a result of his secret and Lex…. She might have clued in, that’s my sole point here. Yes, one of them were already “fated” to die… sure it coulda been Chloe, or ma Kent, or anyone else “close” to him for that matter. (Tbh, for a hot minute I half expected it to be Pete because well… tropes…) Was Clark aware of the deal Jonathan made with Jor-El? I doubt it. At least not to the level we’d hope.
@@thomask70 He did unambiguously state that him messing with fate caused Jonathan to die. Not to mention, he definitely has a multitude of things he'd like to redo, but knows that he can't because he's not a god.
@xOmniCloudx Uh, Clark lost his dad because someone had to die that day, not because he went back in time. Taking the life force of someone he loved doomed them to die at some point in the future. Don't ask me how Jor-El did it, he has magical kryptonian technology. Clark realized this AFTER he had already altered time, hence dead Johnathan. I see no failure in writing, only your individual failure to understand.
I always felt like clark was dead wrong here because if it was to save his dad or save lana he would of said fuck the rules in a heartbeat. Chloe has sacrificed more then anybody on this show for clark. And the ONE TIME she ever asked him for a favor he doesn't come thru for her smh. He owes her hundreds of favors
fatboy71 Its like you missed the point of what he said. He made the same choice Chloe is begging him to do years ago and he lost his father. He knows better than to just try and manipulate fate and not expect a price.
@maureen100001 i disagree, it would matter, but Clark is beginning to understand exactly what his new role entitles and he can't be like he was before and i truly love Chloe but i think she went a bit too far.
I loved Chloe. I would've changed the polarity of the Earth, if she asked me. But, why bring back Jimmy (loser) when Oliver Queen (tall, great looking, billionaire) is right around the corner? You see, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, and gives you something much better. Have faith..believe..all your dreams could be 'right around the corner'. Chloe found out.
@xOmniCloudx Yup. The writers, other fans etc. are all idiots in the face of your MASSIVE ego. Just because YOU think that the writer's fucked up doesn't mean that they actually did. Your opinion is not law. I, for one, think that the writing for Smallville was exceptional, save for all of season 7. And the fight against Doomsday. But that was due to budget issues anyway.
@MANJYOMETHUNDER111 I already went over it. The writers failed logic wise plain and simple. The events do NOT match up with what was said AT ALL no matter how much the show wants to lie to itself and the audience. I'm sorry you don't understand basic logic but that's the truth. Smallville has had VARIOUS plotholes, inconsistencies and logic that made no sense over the years so I'm not surprised that they failed as hard as they did to matching up proper events with previous statements.
@xOmniCloudx And another thing. This 'one thing' is BRINGING SOMEONE BACK FROM THE FUCKING DEAD. I've already discussed this, but that kind of thing tends to end pretty badly. The circumstances in Reckoning for instance, were engineered by Jor-El. He used the life energy of someone Clark loved to bring him back from the dead, and his attempt to save them just meant someone else was going to die instead. If you can't get over the fact that it was Final Destination-esque, then that's your problem.
cloie not tunderstand that monster hes blame doomstay hes thte one hast die and fast he mst in it destroy quack as possible no more nothing els and becase of it zod caming not enoth crabols problams and jor el die in my arms all blames real enemis real threaths and ishiuld losing jor el wornig
i love this scene. to me it show how much more chloe is willing to do for clark and he not for her.( he wasn' there for he when jimmy died. For me it kinda felt like the end of there close friendship.
@NamanIV In fact, that entire Jor-El going to take the life of someone close to Clark was NEVER sensibly handled since. Jor-El DIDN'T take the life of anyone (yet the show acts like he did which is ANNOYING). Lana died by not paying attention to the road while speeding and hit a bus (that ironically was from them school she graduated from). I already went over Jonathan. Clark's a hypocritic moron asshole in this show because the writers failed at making proper sense. Just terrible logic there.
@NamanIV Clark altered time in season 8 yet again. He STUPIDLY told his secret but changed time since it messed up his personal life. Yet Oliver handles the same situation with little problems in season 10. Also, Clark did NOT lose his father due to altering time. That writing plothole always bothered me since Clark lost Jonathan through natural means. Jonathan had a history of temper issues and already had a heart that was giving out because he got Kryptonian powers in season 3. Clark IS an ass
xOmniCloudx There is a difference between Oliver, who only had one love interest bring revealed to be a vigilante with no powers as opposed to Clark being living proof that aliens exist, which caused problems for everyone (Cloe wasn't able to see her husband so he couldn't get the treatment he needed, Martha lost her position as senator, Fear and irritational behavior in the media, etc). It's apples and oranges. Plus it's been stated several time that changing the future causes more harm than good, which was the point of the episode. It wasn't a plothole by any means just because you weren't satisfied with it.
clark is selfish!... he knows the consequences about going back in time when he tried to save lana's life. he knows a lot yet he ignore it because she is the love of his life. then, when chloe [his SUPER BEST FRIEND ] ask him for help to save jimmy's life.... he just simply ignored... i dont think clark is a good friend to chloe as much as chloe to him...
That's the point, Clark had no experience when his father died, now he knows that going to the past and changing the line will kill another person, he is not a God
kakp firah Honestly even 1 life could make damage. The reason he refused to help Chloe, because he learned his lesson from trying to save Lana's life through time travel. It's been 4 years since that happen so Clark is older and more mature. He wasn't being a hypocrite by any means. When he tried to save Lana, he ended up killing his dad. When he went back in time after revealing his identity, Chloe's died, when he came back Linda died. He learned the hard way, when you try to bring back someone or change the past, there might be darker ramifications as a result. It's a great justification based on what Clark went through in the past which Chloe's never experienced.
funny that Clark did not think anyone could die when he used the same legion ring to go back in time and fix his stupid mistake of revealing to the world his identity. Ninth season was a fiasco for being incoherent with the friendship of Clark and Chloe long before this scene, when Clark left leaving Chloe when she most needed him in the last episode of the eighth season.
It’s not about changing the time or going back it’s about saving someone who already died it’s a soul for a soul situation if you save someone who died in the past then someone else will take their place
i hate the fact tha they built this up all season to be this HUGE end of the world fighting scene..and it last like 10 secs and nohting ever really happened...the storyline was stupid but i was looking foward to the fight..and there wasn't even one worth watching...
Well, that's just freaking fantastic, Chloe Sullivan. Terrific job😡, tell the one friend who has saved your ass time after time after time from the brink of death that he doesn't have an ounce of humanity left inside him because he refuses to play god and resurrect Jimmy Olsen. I'm totally on Clark's side. It's not his place or responsibility to rewrite history and bring back the dead because he would have to feel the same obligation for everyone else, who asks him to bring back a loved one and we're talking millions of people around the planet once they knew he had the ability to do this. " it's good that you're embracing your kryptonian side, there really isn't anything human left in you". SMH that's cold.🫤
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