Snapdragon X Plus and X Elite vs M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max Chips - with Benchmarks

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In this video we see what is faster between the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus and X Elite chips and the M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max chips by Apple. We even compare the Snapdragon to the M4 chip with benchmarks. We discuss which chips are the fastest and some of the costs of the hardware that these chips will go into to. If you are interested in seeing if the Qualcomm Snapdragon chips in the new Copilot + PCs, are faster then Apple's line of M3 chips then you might want to watch this video. We provide extensive benchmarks for 6 different CPUs to see what chip you should consider getting.
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@asan1050 Месяц назад

Thank you very much! Craig!

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Welcome

@eduardowatkinz Месяц назад

Thx for the review; however, I be more interested in real world performance; such-as video rendering/export, using either DaVinci Resolve or CapCut, which can run on Mac or Windows. Good BenchMark comparisons.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, I agree for sure. Apple's software is great for running on Macs and Microsoft with Arm isn't always the best so we will see.

@christianr.5868 Месяц назад

The battery life was the only thing keeping me from switching from my iPad to a surface. Now I’m sold. Apples stubbornness to improve the iPad and actually make it more of a computer has driven me up the wall. Ridiculously powerful, but doesn’t support Jit. So it can’t even run ds games at 720p. Now has hardware accelerated ray tracing, but blender can’t come because of apples stupid App Store guidelines. An exponential waste of potential

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Get a MacBook is one option or the surface pro I prefer MacBooks over iPads.

@christianr.5868 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel yeah probably gonna go for the surface pro. It’s just a shame because the iPad has so much potential

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Get what works best for you. I just want a actual computer like a MacBook over either as I never use a touchscreen.

@christianr.5868 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel that makes sense. I’m an artist and animator as a hobbyist . So I wanted the touch screen and stylus alongside better program compatibility

@LeicaM11 Месяц назад

You are right. Also very often, only a single power core is used by many apps.

@spiceMonkey007 Месяц назад

Reason for M4 achieving high Geekbench 6 SC score is because it's based on ARMv9 that adds SME. GB6 has some CPU ML workload test so the overall score is higher. But since XE has a dedicated NPU for ML workload, this GB6 score may not matter that much.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Thanks for additional info.

@TzaraDuchamp Месяц назад

Apple also has a competitive NPU (the Neural Engine) in the M4. Qualcomm’s Snapdragon has a slight edge here with 40 TOPS compared to the M4 with 38 TOPS. This is a huge leap from the M3, which had 18 TOPS. Previously, Apple placed its strongest NPU in mobile phone chip designs. The iPhone 15 Pro, with an A17 Pro chip, has a 35 TOPS NPU. The iPhone 16 Pro might have a stronger NPU than the Snapdragon X Elite.

@TamasKiss-yk4st Месяц назад

@TzaraDuchamp that is only based on how they measured it.. Apple's M3 was rated for 18 TOPS at FP16 precision, but the M4 is rated for 38 TOPS with INT8. Apple started to use the "bigger number" after the others also used that.. but in reality they made about 10-15% improvements in every generarion. It's similar like the 100mph (miles per hour) = 160kmh (kilometer per hour), Apple only showed you the smaller number before and now they also switched to the higher number.

@TzaraDuchamp Месяц назад

@@TamasKiss-yk4st Valid point, thank you for clarifying. Did they start doing this from the A17 Pro? What are the INT8 numbers for the M3?

@batmanonholiday4477 Месяц назад

what about battery life? elite vs m3 max or maybe m4 if the figures are available?

@maddada Месяц назад

Amazing comparison, very fair and straight to the point. I have a bunch of workflows that are Windows only, so I'm very happy my next laptop is going to have a lot of battery life and great performance while staying cooler and quieter. Thank you very much 😊

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Thanks for watching the channel.

@agprime Месяц назад

If Qualcomm achieved these results so fast, imagine their next update, how powerful it'll be.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

My guess is always behind apple but time will tell.

@agprime Месяц назад

@craigneidel Time will tell. Qualcom seems very steady and solid with their gains.

@j340_official Месяц назад

Intel is the one that needs to be worried not Apple. Qualcomm chips won’t run macOS (at least not officially). Many Mac users use Macs for macOS and to get away from windows so there’s little Qualcomm can do about that, no matter how efficient its chips are. But Intel needs to pull a rabbit out of a hat and get its power consumption under control before the Client market starts to move against it. Intel now has to fend off AMD( which is about to drop a dominant shot across Intel’s bow with Zen 5) and now Qualcomm. Intel already lost market share in data center. It could begin to suffer in Client as well if it’s not careful…….

@S1eepers Месяц назад

The surface laptops wont get the most powerful version of the x elite chips. Wait for other pc manufacturers to get their SD pc's out. Cheaper and more powerful.

@agprime Месяц назад

@j340_official I agree, that is why the OS market is huge on Microsoft side compared to MacOS, because people are probably using Macs because they don't have a taste for windows, which is really minority. So the game is on for Microsoft OS chip manufacturers. I personally think that if Qualcom chips are marketed properly, it'll take a bite out of Apple sales and Intel sales.

@jimtipton8888 Месяц назад

It’s encouraging to see that the PC side is getting their hardware sorted out. Now if they can get their OS straightened out.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah the real world app performance will be something to watch.

@mbeechey Месяц назад

Can you confirm if the X Elite vs M3 Pro was the 11 core MacBook as you showed on Amazon or 12 core as shown on the figures? A 12 core M3 Pro machine is quite a jump in price vs the 11 core.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

12 core

@craigneidel Месяц назад

12 Core was in the test but the 11 core still beats it. I was just showing an example of the computer with the Max.

@j340_official Месяц назад

M4 is a really good chip. TSMC 3nm N3E appears to be amazing. When watching RU-vid videos my m4 iPad uses 3.5 to 4.5 Watts !! I think the biggest winner is not Microsoft or Apple or Qualcomm. But rather, it is us, the consumer. Apple and now Qualcomm are proving that ARM can exist in consumer machines outside of smartphones and tablets. They prove the power efficiency of ARM. Their success may well incentivize others to enter the arena. Like nvidia. Or maybe AMD may revive its arm project. So arm’s market share on PC may well grow. And, to try to maintain market share (rather than lose it) AMD and Intel will have to respond and compete well on efficiency and performance per watt. So who wins as a result of competition ? We the consumer. With efficient chips we get thinner machines with less fan noise. And even mini PCs that have more performance than desktop towers from a couple years ago. I’m excited to see how it all shakes out. Intel is claiming its Lunar Lake SoC will be very efficient and performant. And the upcoming lakes like panther lake and nova lake may well be efficient as well. AMD will obviously produce zen 5 and 6. So it will be a very interesting few years to see how much better our chips get.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Thanks for watching the video and for the long post. I agree with you and like I said at the end of the video we are all going to win based on competition. I'm more of an Apple user for sure now in my life, but I used to use Windows all the time. At the end of the day, competition is always great to get us better stuff faster.

@peterparker2068 Месяц назад

Could Nivida enter the marekt? Their previous attempt with Tegra chips didn't quite deliver on performance or battery life.

@j340_official Месяц назад

@@peterparker2068 we could say the same about Qualcomm and its prior iterations in terms not quite hitting the mark either. Yet it pulled these Oryon cores out of a hat (thanks to Nuvia which is thanks to ex Apple employees). But nvidia does have a grace cpu for data center. I don’t know how efficient it is or how performant but it does exist. So to me, so long as windows on arm can be licensed to ARM third parties besides Qualcomm, there’s nothing stopping other entrants from entering. And nvidia could be motivated to try. It could bundle its GPUs. Wild speculation here, but nvidia could take things onto the third rail and pull the grenade of not letting anyone (ASUS Lenovo etc) use its GPUs in laptop unless they use an nvidia CPU. That’s a nightmare option for Intel and possibly AMD. But it could happen to force sales of ARM laptops. Intel needs to be very careful. But this probably won’t happen given that nvidia is likely to have lower sales under this arrangement.

@bryans8656 Месяц назад

I agree that everybody's a winner when there is healthy competition. Windows is still the largest player so I'm guessing that most developers will be porting their x86 applications to the Snapdragon platform, and gamers will have their AMD/Intel PCs to run their games. Side note, Moore's law isn't a thing anymore. Just my opinion(s).

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Thanks for watching and I do agree with you. It could take a little while for the programs to run as smooth as the Apple chips run MacOS but either way things on both sides will be getting better.

@user-ce8ut8hr9k Месяц назад

For this to work the OS needs to be able to run the vast majority of the apps with acceptable performance until they are rewritten for they new ARM chips. If all you can run is a browser and MS Office Et Al, then it's future might not be so bright.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes for sure. Windows doesn't have good track record with arm. Could be an issue.

@MarbsMusic Месяц назад

I think the competition is pushing Apple to stay ahead, to me that is a good thing for us. My wife finally switched back like the rest of us from her XPS to a M3 Air and is loving it. What I'm really curious about is to see how the translation layer from x86 to ARM works in Windows for ARM. The laptops are fast enough to compete but if that doesn't end up working at least somewhat close to Rosetta's performance no one will switch. The Signal65 report is out as well now and shows the M3 Air vs 4 of the Snapdragon models. Heat definitely looks to be an issue and they aren't really faster as you showed. Great video, thanks for all the research!

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Thanks for the post. I do also prefer Macs but use windows about 10 percent of the time to stay current. I agree it depends how it runs real programs more than benchmarks.

@scod3908 3 дня назад

Signal65 are advertising Snapdragon on their website and they punched down on the base model M3 in an Air chassis to make the flagship X-Elite SoC look good; they don't give off the impression of an unbiased reviewer to me personally

@user-vl4hf4md3u Месяц назад

Can you gimme a link from where you bought the 😮skin of ur macbook

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Fishskyns

@Techonsapevole Месяц назад

Can you do the benchmarks with Linux ?

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I can't because they didn't publish them.

@pabitra8343 Месяц назад

Mark my word the score shown here will turn upside down when the 3rd gen of Qualcomm chips come out against the M6 series!

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I'm not sure what set of benchmarks you are talking about - who will win? Anyhow it doesn't matter as both sides are now forced to make the best chips possible and not wait.

@g-jalil6961 4 дня назад

Thank you for the perfect review. Most of reviews are so lame and full of shit. Your style is straight to the subject without is cool. You deserve more views. Play with settings so more people come across it

@craigneidel 2 дня назад

Thank you for the nice words. Appreciate that.

@AS-yf4jr Месяц назад

They announced the X Elite around the M2 and shipped it around the M4. Therefore, I would acknowledge that they covered Apple's past and future offerings. Additionally, this is the first generation, and I would be waiting until they reach 3nm and 2nd gen.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes but by then Apple will be 1.6 or 1.4. either way competition is good.

@AS-yf4jr Месяц назад

@craigneidel what? It's not that far 😂. By the time Macbooks with M4 arrives, Snapdragon will be ready with another generation. I suppose around the same time next year, we could see Gen 2 x elites on newer PCs. Also, with the little gains Apple has made over the years, I won't be giving it to Apple with the same confidence as you.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

@@AS-yf4jr I'm just saying the snapdragons aren't out yet. Could be 18 months or more for version 2. Apple could be ready for m5 not much further then that.

@AS-yf4jr Месяц назад

@craigneidel All alright man Apple is great. It is invincible. Like in tech who is on top always stays on top. Dont worry. Cheers.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

@@AS-yf4jr I use both so no worries.

@AshuDubey1124 Месяц назад

Please let me know if the build quality (i mean the thickness/slimmess) can be achieved same as mac.....as macbooks are really slim...i like the overall build quality of mac....please reply

@jeanbaptistelabelle Месяц назад

You did not see the Surface Laptop and Surface Pro? Yes it is as slim as MBP in all practical purpose (17.5 vs 15.5mm) emand 200g lighter.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Tests on cooling and performance when under load will need to come out.

@scod3908 3 дня назад

To a casual observer the Surface Laptop appears to copy the design language of the macbook (similar screen hinge, material construction, keyboard style, keyboard recess, trackpad, even the windows logo on the screen. To the point where the previous generation was spec'd and priced roughly in line with the macbook range (although the new offerings have higher base spec's, hopefully this forces Apple to move on after 8yrs of base 8GB!)

@tbud3734 Месяц назад

This is good, the first version of xelite is impressive. Also i believe comparing performance/$ will be beneficial.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah it's good to have competition going.

@pcefbol6704 20 дней назад

Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite emerges as a strong contender in the ARM CPU space, boasting impressive performance and potential to disrupt the market. Early reports suggest native Windows and Linux support alongside a remarkable 2-day battery life. If the price remains competitive, this could be a game-changer. This development puts pressure on Intel and AMD to innovate and potentially explore partnerships with ARM chip designers.

@craigneidel 20 дней назад

Yes, the competition is going to be better but let's see how the apps perform on the Arm chips first and see the real world performance first.

@scod3908 3 дня назад

@@craigneidel why you reply to a bot comment?

@craigneidel 3 дня назад

@@scod3908 more comments the better

@scod3908 3 дня назад

@@craigneidel the Snapdragon vids are littered with bots commenting with rocket emoji Right up there with punching down on the fan-less Air chassis as far as low-brow marketing goes It's a bad look for the company, and youtube already has enough AI trash on it

@ramakanthrama8578 13 дней назад

We have to keep in mind that M4 is the 4th iteration of the apple processors, but this is the snapdragon's first attempt. Not saying that apple's tech is bad, but just wanted to highlight that. Future processors from snapdragon would be better for sure.

@craigneidel 13 дней назад

Yes for sure. But it will also come down to how the Windows software integrates with Arm chips etc. and runs. Apple is the best there since they control the process but if Snapdragon can work with Microsoft to get that right it will be good for sure.

@thecsslife Месяц назад

This is the competition we need. The Windows laptop market was so stale the past few years I switched to Apple from using Windows my whole life.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I agree.

@erikatzen9216 Месяц назад

Fan noise is the most overseen subject in all videos out here. Low fan noise is one of the most important features, I would say.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah I love my m2 air.

@techzolute Месяц назад

Also, the reviewer missed the point that there are 3 X Elite versions, which are the chips that truly stack up to the M series.

@jessea3165 Месяц назад

Actually, he missed what these chips are supposed to compete against. The X plus does not compete with any of apples m3 chips. Qualcomm doesn't male that claim. Qualcomm literally states that the x elite competes with the macbook air m3, not a macbook Pro or max. That's like comparing my my 12 performance core Amd desktop with nevida 4090 to mackbook max. Apples and oranges.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I didn't miss anything. Just had benchmarks on those three.

@TamasKiss-yk4st Месяц назад

@jessea3165 so are you absolutly sure about that, they will release an even more powerfull laptop version of this chip, and also doubling that performance to a desktop level like M1 Ultra did? Just because their basic M1/M2/M3 already need almost the same amount of power cores like the M1 Ultra had, what quadtrupled the cores/performamce of the basic M1.. do you think they can put 24 or 48 power cores on the chip..? Just because that clearly visible this 12 cores reaxhed their limit, even if they pump 80W into it, it's only raise the performance with 10% (at the cost of 250% extra power consumption 23W -> 80W)

@techzolute Месяц назад

@@craigneidel you did miss something. First, you said there are 2 X Elite chips alongside the Plus chip. However, there are 3 X Elite chips, not 2.

@user-zd2xj9rl2z Месяц назад

@@TamasKiss-yk4st Don't judge anything by just what we have seen, we need to see the actual benchmarks and daily life uses

@aelaan12 Месяц назад

The only thing that we need to remember is that you will still be running Windows 11, 12 or whatever they call it. I think the initial jubilation will wear off quickly when you see the game performance of the X, in the end you are right Craig.... we will all be forking over money to whomever we choose, but Windows....

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah I prefer MacOs but it's good to have competition so apple starts shipping base models with 16 GB ram😁

@gutembergfreirebrasil Месяц назад

It not about faster, it is about funcionality

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I agree

@Tigerex966 Месяц назад

The one you can upgrade and comes with 16 GB standard.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Get what works for you

@Tigerex966 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel amen and let the manufacturers know what does not work and exactly why it does not.work. Don't be scared to criticize bad engineering cost cutting anti upgrade anti repair it purchase upgrade profits and planned obselence engineering decisions. Don't give those companies a pass. .they don't give you one.

@craigneidel 27 дней назад

I'm guessing you don't watch my channel all the time. Watch my weekend videos where I have a beer and talk about Apple. I don't give anybody a pass trust me.

@Tigerex966 27 дней назад

@@craigneidel sounds good.

@daveyhu Месяц назад

Where are the GPU benchmarks / FPS figures from?

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I said it right in video if you watched it

@justronny20 Месяц назад

The samsung book 4 edge with the 3.8 GHz X Elite chip will cost about $1799 so I would say that would be the most direct comparison with the m3 pro chip, instead of comparing it to the m3 max. It's interesting on that final comparison you didn't pull up pricing for any device running those two chips.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Didn't see any. And pricing for that chip could be more then you say as it was tested with 64 GB ram. And finally M4 chip will be out soon. Just showing benchmarks and I even said the snapdragon could be less multiple times.

@KokkiePiet 6 дней назад

So, now we have the first real generation of ARM for Windows chips, and although they are not beating Apple who are in their 3rd gen it is impressive how close they are. I use both windows and MacOS, and I am very happy to see that there is more competition. This makes sure that Apple is kept on its toes and cannot afford to slow down innovation and improvement, they must keep pushing the envelope. M4 series coming out soon, so, at the moment they are still ahead. MS will do further improvements in optimalisation and Qualcomm will also push forward. It also means that Intel and AMD will have to catch up, they cannot afford to be reliant at legacy in X86.

@craigneidel 2 дня назад

Yes, the competition will be nice for sure and keep Apple on it's toes moving forward. Overall it's great for both. Thanks for watching and the post.

@qwertyzxaszc6323 Месяц назад

The Qualcomm chip was built by the Apple M1 designer and his team of other former Apple Silicon team members.. They left Apple to start their own chip company which Qualcomm bought, hence why it's so good.

@AS-yf4jr Месяц назад

are you saying that they were Apple engineers and that's why they're so good? Just to let you know, Apple didn't create those engineers They were already amazing when Apple acquired the PA Semi and their team of 150 engineers.

@qwertyzxaszc6323 Месяц назад

@@AS-yf4jr No what I am saying is that Apple not only developed the chips for their laptops and proved them in the marketplace for both viability and raw performance, and that the chips were developed by the same chip design team make them an indirect gifting of the chips with ribbon and bow and proven technology to the dreadful world of Windows laptops. Yes that's hyperbole, but not too far from the truth

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Thanks for the info.

@chandranshpandey1929 Месяц назад

it all depends of translation layer

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I said software and os matters

@ladodelapared 28 дней назад

But what about battery? M3 may be more powerful but does the battery drain faster?

@craigneidel 28 дней назад

The M3 Air doesn't have a fan but the copilot PCs do so once that can be measured we can do that. But, they will both be good I would guess. Also the M4 is coming out very soon.

@Sheerwinter Месяц назад

Peoples do not understand the benefits of arm on windows. Arm on windows is going to make competition, unlike the previous era where apple was dominating the arm world. I would love to see arm on nvidia Arm on amd Arm on snap dragon. 😅 not so sure about intel tho. It ll make competition in the market interms of performance/dollars. And no body wants a mac base modle with 8gb. Competition ll make the apple go for 16 gb minimum. Gaming on arm is another portion of it. Gaming on low powered high performance pc. (Good for handheld and tablets, slim laptops) I'm sure than nvidia ll change the arm processors market probably. :) hmm me and my friends are waiting for the upcoming oryon v2 (might be the sdxelite gen2) ;| current snapdragon is good but the igpu is not so strong. I'm waiting for something which can compete with the m3 max igpu.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, the ability to run any games on the new snapdragon chips is not great and that is normally why people choose the Windows systems. That is a good point.

@digitalmarketinghumans Месяц назад

⭐I look forward to the actual results of the Snap Dragon and most importantly..the battery life. If anything, I hope this keeps Apple on it's toes. This MAY make me go back to windows just to try it..although..this will be first gen..so I'll see how this plays out based on reviewers around mid June time. 🤝If this thing is just like the M3 chips, count me in. I'll definitely buy one although I'll still keep my Macbook Pro in the end. The windows OS is the one that makes me a feel a bit apprehensive since being spoiled by MacOS for the past 4 years now. They both have their pros and cons for sure. ⚡Also another thing, these new laptops (some will have 16gb standard) will still be close to Macbook Air or Pro levels in price. So they won't be cheap necessarily, still a better price than it's competitors, but you really don't get as good as Apple in terms of quality. I just hope this makes Apple go to the 16gb ram standard route(probably won't). 😂

@craigneidel Месяц назад

It could make them make 16 GB standard but who knows. The M4s are coming out soon and when you put them against the Snapdragons they won't be close but it doesn't matter. As long as Windows systems are finally getting their act together that is good and they should have some systems now that can last 15 hours and still be snappy. Yes, real benchmarks will be better soon.

@kendallbarry3041 Месяц назад

M4 macbooks are coming mid 2025 according to Apple, so Qualcomm might have a new generation by then. They have already been working on the next Elite according to rumors. Hopefully, they make a decent improvement to compete with M4 series.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Competition is a good thing.

@andyH_England Месяц назад

I heard the M4 MB Pros are coming in a few months as they are ready, maybe in November. Qualcomm will be six month or more away from Gen 2, so Apple will be well on top for that period.

@craigneidel 25 дней назад

Time will tell and we will know more with what happens at WWDC.

@JustifyJustin 8 дней назад

Something that isn't measured is the cost of Apple ecosystem lock-in once you enter the ecosystem. Cost in terms of price but also flexibility. For some that may not matter but I like choice and not being dictated to. You mileage may vary. Either way, the gap has closed by a considerable factor and I suspect with time the ARM products will be more affordable with a wider range of configurations. That is good for everyone. Absolute performance is not absolute.

@craigneidel 7 дней назад

I actually use a pixel phone and a MacBook so no lock in. I just prefer MacBooks to windows system. I have had so few issues with my Macs.

@nick-dogg Месяц назад

Apple chips are great. Personally, I wouldn’t buy a Qualcomm based laptop. I will only consider switching to ARM when Qualcomm exclusivity deal ends with Microsoft at the end of 2024. I look forward to seeing what nVidia, AMD, and Intel can do when they enter the ARM CPU market.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, I'm more of an Apple user for sure, but I do like the idea of finally better Windows laptops. Time will tell how well the software will work with the arm chips. Apple's integration is so good. It's hard to compete with. But at the end of the day competition is good.

@peterparker2068 Месяц назад

While the M1 chips in Macbooks deliver outstanding performance and battery life, any advancements in these areas from Snapdragon would be welcome. A key advantage for these new laptops is their generous base configuration of 16GB RAM. This stands in contrast to Apple's recent Macbook releases, which remain limited to 8GB RAM as the starting point (the first Macbook with 8GB base RAM launched in 2018). While the 256GB base storage might be sufficient for some, my experience with Macbooks suggests that even with basic use, I ended using around 12GB of RAM so giving consumers 8GB of RAM is like spitting on their loyal customers. Swapping memory to compensate for insufficient RAM can negatively impact performance as well as the longevity of the SSD.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah, well I prefer Apple. I'm rooting for both sides to make better chips. This may very well make apple. Finally ship the base panel with 12 or 16 gigs of ram. So in the end it should make everything better.

@peterparker2068 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel I enjoy Apple products too but judging how Apple ends up upgrading things like RAM and storage a lot later than other companies. We probably won't see a Macbook with 16GB of RAM on the base config for another two years.

@brachiator1 Месяц назад

Apple has moved on to the M4 chip, so the people behind Snapdragon and other chips may have to play catch-up. The Benchmarks for the Snapdragon chips are impressive, but performance, efficiency, and battery life are also very important. I look forward to seeing actual laptops with these new chips.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes real tests will mean more then benchmarks for sure.

@DarthMuse Месяц назад

M4 Max MacBook Pro is what I am waiting for. The competition hasn't caught Apple on ARM, but at least their slowly getting competitive.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes it great to have options and competition does that. Maybe it will make apple ship base models with 16gb soon.

@scottbrady4472 Месяц назад

Might be waiting a while.

@Kubaak01 Месяц назад

Whats important in thin and light laptops is performance per watt. I dont care which chip is marginally faster - if that was my only criteria Id go with some power hungry Intel. If I was deciding between ultraportable ARM laptops I want to know which one can give me the most efficiency. Looking forward to that.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Time will tell on that.

@catluvr8875 Месяц назад

it's weird to be putting geekbench vs fps results on the same veritcal scale. totally misrepresents the results

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I gave numbers I think everybody can figure it out. Very easy. I gave actual numbers.

@daiduo6143 Месяц назад

The NUVIA Oryon Microarchitecture is manly made for server Processors that's why the Snapdragon X Elite doesn't have efficiency cores

@craigneidel Месяц назад

It's just a benchmark comparison off their box.

@davout5775 Месяц назад

The X Elite is a pretty good competition to the M4. The M4 has insanely powerful cores inside, the most powerful in the world (on a consumer device)! But it still has only 4 of them. The rest are 6 smaller core and it overall has less cores 12 vs 10. X Elite has 12 big cores and thus it beats it in MT. But M4 has more powerful GPU.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, there are going to be pros and cons for sure of both.

@hosseindianati7798 Месяц назад

Microsoft markets its ARM laptops as ultra books for content creators and daily users, so I dont think they ever mentioned M3 pro and Pro Max. Besides, we should wait for the surface laptop studio to compete with the MacBook pro. The target is MacBook Air M3, and I think if Snapdragon is M3 or even M2 good, thats enough for most people and a win for windows.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, I mentioned that in the video when I was talking about the Max. I was just showing benchmarks since both companies have different levels of chips. I agree that in this case everybody wins as Windows users will have a very nice chip (like an M3) and they will only get better soon.

@jamesleetrigg Месяц назад

As an Apple developer I am glad that there is some decent competition for apples laptops. Maybe Apple. Overcharging for memory and SSD space. But probably not. Lol

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, competition is always good.

@WarAlex16 Месяц назад

Just saw the beginning of the video. Apple is vicious by buying all of the latest chip technology in order for the competitions to use older technology. I think you should add to your graphs the latest type of size of the chip. M3 uses 3 nanometer and Elite chips use 4 nanometer. Latest news, Apple is buying all of the 2 nanometer chips so that the competitors are unable too.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

It's not a competition. Windows laptops will get better and everybody wins.

@JudgeFredd Месяц назад

What really matters is the OS : macOS vs Windows. Do you want to be spied or not ....

@craigneidel Месяц назад

For sure and how Arm works on Windows as it hasn't been great in the past.

@leeyuee9827 Месяц назад

Comparing the same app on x86 vs ARM will be more reality.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah but figured to start with published benchmarks

@HonbonTien-my1xi Месяц назад

Seeing PC from Apple in this video in the front, who would argue about this an apple pro channel.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Of course I'm a Mac Channel but I also use Windows but only 10% of the time now. Also, who cares what people use and just use what is best for you. I'm just showing benchmarks that were on the box of the snapdragon chips. Competition is good both ways. The M chips made the snapdragon chips since they have to compete.

@HonbonTien-my1xi Месяц назад

@@craigneidel Never interested in unix modified os like Mac. Who. cares...

@craigneidel Месяц назад

That's fine then watch other channels as I do more on Mac. That's totally fine.

@deordered. Месяц назад

Real SD-XE performance will be benchmarked properly, if it's done on Linux, windows' bloatware will always put any chip behind!

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Thanks for posting.

@FalseInformation Месяц назад

When will windows go full on ARM. That’s the day I’m waiting for.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Only time will tell.

@PTYC933 Месяц назад

Competition creates divides. The X plus and elite don’t have to beat M3 pro and max. They just need to be the M1 moment for windows. For the cost right now, X elite launched at a good price, apple still has the better igp, in the M3 M4 and pro and max chips. Say Lenovo slim 7x is $1200 for X1E80100 with 90hz 1000 nits Oled, very competitive. Next MacBook Air is rumored to have 12gb, and an even faster igp than M3 and XE180100 with very close to X1E80100 multicore, maybe a good deal then.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, that is the message in the video. We all win due to competition.

@PTYC933 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel we all win but the side effect is people becomes very polarized - it’s one side or the other. It becomes a sport. Great comparison by the way. Most outlets are just comparing against M3 because that’s what Qualcomm is targeting. But when X elite was announced it was initially targeting M2max, and it did outpace M2max back then, by the time M3max came out, it’s clear that M3max is on another level from the pack, even 185H and 8945HS is powerless.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, people are crazy in this world and if you run a RU-vid channel you will realize that right away. People get so mad because somebody likes a piece of tech it makes you scratch your head, but that is the world we live in. People can hide behind profiles which is what they do and it makes them say things they would not in normal life. So you are right when you say people become polarized. But I just remove the people that act like children and live goes on. Thanks for watching the channel.

@leonardwise5807 Месяц назад

You didn't compare npu, which is 45 tops on the Elite vs. 18 tops on all apple M3s 38 on m4s. The Samsung Edge 16 has the top Elite chip for 1749 and a free 50 inch Samsung TV. It has 16 gig 8440 ram and 1 tb storage. The Mac Book Air 15 with those specs is about the same price. But the Samsung has a 3k oled. The Samsung is 3.4 pounds and the Air is 3.3.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, we will do that later after we see it working and comparing real-world use. Yes, right now that is true but that is only for really Ai tasks etc. so time will tell.

@LeicaM11 Месяц назад

So, Apple saved their asses with the M4 for a short while? 😅

@craigneidel Месяц назад

No, the M3 beats any version of the elite chips already. The M4 will only advance that.

@miklaus2873 Месяц назад

Can you compare how the adreno compare in game tò 780M (8700G) to see if this integrated GPU usually used on cellphones can compete on PC for gaming for those peofessionals and AI students that also can t renounce tò some gaming? At the same time, can you compare RAW Power and blender Power with Intel best core ultra and M4? Lastly AI potentials among all? Apple? next AMD? next Intel? New Elite X? Rumours of Nvidia entering CPU NPU APU market? In few words Will there be an only One winner and king of all for a perfect Laptop next year for working, ai, gaming, and at the same time with lowest Power consumption, longer battery Life, MOST silent work (maybe passive only heatsynk), less generated heat, slimmest etc... Impossible tò win all categories al course, but Is there a candidate tò totally destroy the others?

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I'm not sure I have enough time in the day to make all those videos but I'm sure many will come out soon addressing all of this.

@hedges3976 Месяц назад

Everybody forgets that m3 is a 4 high performance 4 efficacy so not apples to oranges and there comparing to a non cooled system !

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Nobody forgets... Just showing benchmarks is all video is doing

@juanpablofulco5495 Месяц назад

Snapdragon X elite vs M3?

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Just showing benchmarks is all.

@ZhenqiuChen Месяц назад

M4 Pro, M4 Max will soon be released in late 2024, early 2025. And also the next generation of snapdragon x elite will be next year. Who will win, I think Apple Macbook wins cuz better than M3 pro, also snapdragon is only good for battery and AI but Apple M4 is good for multi-tasks. However, Apple Macbook is more expensive than snapdragon x elite.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, the M4 will put Apple further ahead for sure but the second gen of snapdragon should be very good also.

@icweener1636 27 дней назад

i thinkapple achieved efficiency and power with this M chips. the only thing they ned to improve on there laptop line are the screen refresh rate at least 90hertz, RAM at least 16 gig, and Storage 512 minimum as the base line. And thats it. Even if they make M9 next year, if they are still continuing this mediocre specs, they are going to be left behind by what windows-based pc's are currently offering

@craigneidel 27 дней назад

I agree that they need to start changing some of the base specs for sure. Maybe the new Copilots + PC specs will finally make it happen but I'm not holding my breath for sure.

@johnmigcruz2323 Месяц назад

Comparing 3nm vs 4nm chip. Hayss

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Just benchmarks... No big deal

@andreaslassak2111 Месяц назад

One note. There are 3 versions of X Elite. 78/80/84-100 models. Anyway Snap is 1/2-1/3 price of Apple

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah, I only had 2 in there but it was what I could get on stats. I don't care too much about the price of the chip and more about the price of the laptops and performance all in. Also, MacOS is what I want but I know everybody is different.

@Tigerex966 Месяц назад

Core counts mean nothing. Cross platform with totally different cpu cores. They only matter when its the same type of cpu cores.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, we need to see how Windows run programs using these Arm chips. Apple does a great job but we will need to see how the Snapdragon performs once we have the data.

@Tigerex966 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel yes indeed.

@simongross3122 Месяц назад

They're all bloody fast. I guess we just have to choose if we want the apple ecosystem or the ms ecosystem. Chips on their own are pretty useless, we need to choose what we want to do with them.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes, it comes down to the OS for sure.

@simongross3122 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel And the applications that are available. It's actually only slightly interesting watching companies trying to outdo each other with benchmarks. Almost nobody buys a computer to run benchmarks

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes the apps matter for sure. Benchmarks don't mean too much but people love to see them for some reason.

@riopato2009 Месяц назад

Air M3 does not need fans. X Elite does

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Are you sure

@riopato2009 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel I don't know any M3 Macbook Airs that has built in cooling fans and according to Paul Thurrott he doesn't see any of these initial new Arm devices that are fanless but performance comparisons so far are measured against the Macbook Airs models so power draw must be taking a hit over performance just by having fans. Heat might still be an issue which is why the watts takes a drop when unplugged.

@jeanbaptistelabelle Месяц назад

@@riopato2009that is maybe why the sustained performance of the Snapdragon is much better than MBA M3 that throttle so much. It is a win for everyone. Silent in light workload but more headroom when sustained performance is needed like a MBP.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah, I saw they will have fans.

@jeanbaptistelabelle Месяц назад

It is not that Elite "needs" a fan versus a M3. It is just a design choice and cost choice from Apple. Like the Surface Pro 6 i5 was fanless. The big advantage of that on the Surface is that you keep a much better sustained performance like a MBP. For less than half the price.

@justalex4571 Месяц назад

M4 💪

@craigneidel Месяц назад

It's coming soon

@nenadristicboske Месяц назад

Apple would win this battle only if they stop giving 8GB and 256GB as base spec for most computers.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah this competition could change that.

@andyH_England Месяц назад

M4 will come with 12GB base.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

It better.

@asan1050 Месяц назад

Co-Pilot... I'm your father! We have good reason to be scared. In the hands of the wrong people who knows what can happen....COVID😷

@craigneidel Месяц назад

You never know.... Ai is going to make so many things worse but there's no stopping it.

@mikaelbiilmann6826 Месяц назад

The big losers will be Intel, if the ARMS chips are as fast but use less power than the Intel chips. Especially on laptops.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yes for sure.

@michaelcobbin Месяц назад

Apple and Qualcomm will win long-term. The competition between the companies will accelerate the ARM chip development. AMD and Intel will be the losers.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

It will for sure make everyone better. I agree with that.

@michaelcobbin Месяц назад

@@craigneidel By the mid-2010s, Intel had become a marketing company because it was the dominant player in the PC chip market and the limitations of the x86 design. Meanwhile, Apple and Qualcomm pushed the ARM capabilities from a smartphone chip to a chip that can be used across multiple segments. When Apple released the M1 chip in 2020, it was a game changer and the first tidal wave of technology change for the PC chip. Intel and AMD responded by increasing the power supply to their chips to claim that they still have the most powerful chips. Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite is the second and most significant tidal wave. Windows still dominates the corporate world, and laptops play a major component in corporate sales. The corporate world is looking for powerful and efficient (long battery life) laptops that work well for the Snapdragon X Elite chip. Intel and AMD will face an increasing loss of market share if they don't respond to Apple and Qualcomm. Both companies face the challenge of re-engineering the chipset design but are probably 5 to 10 years behind the leaders. If Intel and AMD can respond, the end consumer will be a winner with powerful but energy-efficient devices from all four PC chip manufacturers.

@craigneidel 27 дней назад

Yes, I agree that Intel and AMD have to respond and by doing so it will make all chips, even from Apple, stronger.

@PixelPeterpan Месяц назад

Well now i dont have to get mac lol

@craigneidel Месяц назад

We need to see how integrated software is. Plus m4s and most m3s way faster.

@vickeythegamer7527 Месяц назад

I dont get it why this greedy company selling it close to apple it does not make sense it cost half the price of i7 14gen so it should be cheaper than core ultra 7 and also they don't sell it with 5g so its a miss of opportunity to win over apple by using price as mark and also they shall sell with nvidia gpu with like RTX 4070 50watt and compite with apple and higher end and price atleast get rtx 4050 on 1299$ to beat them

@craigneidel Месяц назад

They will always charge as much as people are willing to pay.

@vickeythegamer7527 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel they are just living future money on the table

@craigneidel 17 дней назад

It's possible. Thanks again for watching.

@IdeasOfAjit Месяц назад

YOU SKIPED ON DEVICE AI CAPABILITIES. Qualcomm X series wins big there.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Once we can test it we can report it. I personally won't be using too much at myself.

@IdeasOfAjit Месяц назад

@@craigneidel isn’t unfair to completely dismiss it or ignore it?

@craigneidel Месяц назад

@@IdeasOfAjit I didn't. I showed stats of chips on box. How is it unfair as we have no data on how ai will work or perform. We have no data on how windows will even perform with arm too. I just show stats I knew.

@IdeasOfAjit Месяц назад

@@craigneidel well, you already have data, you showed it.. (for windows on arm) without the data, benchmarking is impossible. Apple doesn’t have any On Device Capabilities, Qualcomm does.. that’s your data.

@IdeasOfAjit Месяц назад

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@jasenhenry Месяц назад

missed the low hanging fruit to show one graph with performances of all snapdragon x and m3 chips

@craigneidel Месяц назад

I gave numbers. Create a graph.

@jasenhenry Месяц назад

@@craigneidel first youtuber to give out homework. rhetorical ques, why watch your videos if i have to do all the work? ill ask copilot next time

@craigneidel Месяц назад

@@jasenhenry that's how I roll. No homework unless you want the graph. Anyhow thanks for watching the channel.

@HouseOfFunQM Месяц назад

Opens video Desk crammed full of Apple waste Closes video

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Wow... Pleasure I'm sure

@jessea3165 Месяц назад

The x plus doesn't compete against against any of the macbook chips. The x elite competes withthe m3 macbook air. None of the snapdragon chips compete with the m3 pro or m3 max. Thats like comparing a macbok air to a high end gaming laptop with a nevida 4090 dgpu The x plus competes against the intel 5 and 7ultra cpus.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

It's a comparison people want to see.

@jessea3165 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel But, the comparison misinforms the viewer. I would think most viewers want accurate information inorder to make smart purchases. The xelite infact outperforms its intended competition the macbook air 3 according to recent benchmarks. The video gives people the impression that Qualcomm has failed, when infact it has succeeded, even if and when the m4 comes out it will still be competitive with macbook air m4. I guess some people would want to see a comparison between two cpus in entirely different classes of cpu's. But you weren't transparent about it, with the exception of the m3 max. So "people may have wanted to see it" but I'm sure they would have wanted to know that xelie competes with macbook air m3, not the pro. And plus is low powered budget chip that competes with budget cpu's. But you didn't mention any of that, that's a disservice to your viewer that will lead people to make purchases on bad information. Even when you compared pricing, 8gb is not the same as 16gb, and the macbook air also had half the ssd storage. So the price difference was off by about 50 percent.

@GarrettTobyC13 Месяц назад

@@jessea3165if you can't tell this dude frigging loves his mac computers. The entire screen is filled by them lol. He's even got that crappy new desktop iMac that has no business existing besides to look decent.

@jessea3165 Месяц назад

@@GarrettTobyC13 I did notice, and that's fine, we all have our favorites, bit it was so biased it was absurd. Imagine comparing bemch marks against the intel i3 with the AMD ryzen 24 core and then stating that intel misrepresented their claims about the i3 being the best in it's class. Well duh, the i3 is a low end chip and ryzen 9 24 core is a high end chip, they are designed for two entirely different purposes. There was no doubt that macbooks were the best in their class and the macbook pro and max still are the best for most purposes, but the macbook air is know second best performance wise for the moment that may change or it may not. But this was so badly done, I think it's going to hurt his reputation as a honest reviewer. He said "people wanted to see the comparison". But who in their right mind would want to see a regular Toyota corolla in a Nascar race.

@GarrettTobyC13 Месяц назад

@@jessea3165 those qualcomm laptops are gonna drop before a Mac does with an m4 so qualcomm will have a period when they are the top of the arm stack on their first real attempt. Apple fans are just trying to cope a lil bit I can't blame them.

@sinongmakulet Месяц назад

The cheapest laptop wins!

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Never true

@PKperformanceEU Месяц назад

apple wins and its not even close.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

Yeah with m4 coming too it will lead. But arm chips on windows is good for all.

@PKperformanceEU Месяц назад

@@craigneidel that's for Sure! Looking forward to SD + Nvidia or full team green arm laptops

@MrKar18 Месяц назад

@@craigneidel and Won't Qualcomm release one next year too? Favors aside, this is good for first gen like what M1 did that time.

@craigneidel Месяц назад

@@MrKar18 yes I'm rooting for competition but I'm sure Apple has a plan to stay slightly ahead. They are on different is also so not really competing.

@christianr.5868 Месяц назад

As long as it’s around m2, it’s good enough for me. Apple’s stubbornness has been driving me crazy