New Battlefield game is playable now, has a "tremendous live service" and has "learned valuable lessons" Let's discuss all of this good and bad from the latest EA Earnings call. Leave a LIKE and a comment, thanks for watching.
I just want a battlefield game without silly cosmetic character choices. I liked how in BF3 I could clearly tell when I was aiming at an enemy, and what class of enemy I was fighting
"Tremendous live-service" = "No content at launch and an incomplete game that may be halfway fixed years into its lifespan, prioritizing monetization over gameplay, that will inevitably be abandoned when the game finally gets to a playable state"
Just a quick reminder that Diablo 2 came out in 2000 and received its last update in 2016 (not counting D2R). WoW came out in 2004 and is still getting expansions. Live service is just doublespeak for lazy development and greedy executives.
The worst part is him saying, “another tremendous live service.” We already knew it would be a live service game, but what could he mean by “another”? EA has yet to have a single recent game with even an okay live service. He must have really low standards
@@contrast_editingShiiet I kinda forgot Apex is EA somehow, that’s actually a really good live service game, but man it is sad Respawn canned Titanfall 3, and before anyone blames EA, that was 100% Respawns decision, they just really like Apex for some reason and it makes me sad.
@@iShowUnusualBehavior Bad company two had character and destruction combine that with the grit from BF3/BF4 map style with BF1 environment would be epic.
We’ve seen this sort of speech so many times before. Remember to not pre-order and don’t get your hopes up too much, even if they take extra time to get it polished up
this Battlefield 4’s setting with Battlefield 1’s immersion would be peak Maybe use Battlefield 3 had a framework for maps too cuz they had some of the best ones imo
There are too many cooks in the kitchen. Fun fact if a cake needs to bake for an hour, it doesn't matter how many cooks you have. The cake is still going to take an hour. It doesn't matter how big the team is. If they dont get enough time to develop its still going to be released in a bad state.
wrong. i think in bf3 and bf4 the story gave you a great introduction into the world of the game. in bf2042 you dont even really know who or for what you fighting for.
The tremendous live-service means tons of stickers for vehicles, xp-boosts, weapon charms, player cards name tags etc. etc. This is the stuff that replaces the maps, guns, gadgets and vehicles we used to get. Keep this in mind people. Don't pre-order and be very conscious about buying the game. In my humble opinion the fact that the corporate speech of "tremendous live service" and "biggest dev team ever" keeps showing up again and already is a sign to be very worried. I wish for the best but expect the worst judging by how out of touch EA has been for years now.
Exactly. All live service means to investors is $$$$$. To us, it means absolutely nothing. I'd argue that it is only a sign things are going to go bad again.
Ah yes. They've learned from their experience and now they'll repeat it. So: - An incomplete game at launch that doesn't get anywhere near its intended release state until a year later. And, more importantly: - No single player campaign. Honestly, I'll just continue playing BF4 until something interesting comes from DICE.
The only thing people should be pri ordering is RTS games and turn based games. BG3 was extremely fun even at early acess, the same for broken arrow and homeworld 3. No bullshit micro transaction there.
The real Battlefield devs left after BF5. That's why BF5 was the last masterpiece before this catastrophic woke 2042. Woke 2042 is not even a Battlefield. It just has the BF sticker on it, that's it. I played it once then burned the CD.
sometimes there is such a thing as too many cooks in the kitchen, and AAA devteams nowadays echo this remark very very well. more devs =/= better game.
The franchise peaked with Battlefield 3. All that's left of the franchise is a shell of the former self. Battlefield 3 was the GOAT & great at continuously providing the community with quality content.
Clans playing together is a must! Only 4 in a squad and others not able to join is ridiculous, and why my friends all stopped playing 2042, well, one of the many reasons.
Literally all they have to do is make the next game like BF3 or BF4. Modern day, realistic normal soldiers, no specialists, classic class system, and good maps. This is all fans have ever wanted.
Bingo. If I have to play the way some nerd designer's idea for a "cool specialist" forces me to play because of equipment limitations or special 'powers', I'm out. No thanks. Next please. There are literally HUNDREDS of those games in the market already.
Does EA care about fans? They want a mass appeal game that will pull in cash like Fortnite. That's all Live Service means these days. What the dev team wants is further down the list. MP games are in a sad state
@flamingteabag4572 I don't disagree, but this statement has been made for years now. Just gotta hope some segment of the people making this statement overlaps with those who can make a difference at the higher levels.
They can have 7,000 people working on it but if the Talent and direction is not there the product wont be either. BF3/BF4 probably had 1/4th of what they had for 2042 (Or the new product) and look at what we got? Apex with BF face lift lol
One of the things I miss from Battlefield games pre BFV is the weapon challenges. To unlock a weapon, you had to complete one or two challenges with other weapons and gadgets. For me, that was highly engaging and made me try out loads of different weapons I wouldn't normally pick. It also helped me to find weapons that were ideal on specific maps as well! It added another layer to the gameplay. I'd love it if they brought something like that back.
Battlefield was good when Dice/Stockholm was behind the development of the franchise. So when a big EA Executive comes out and tells us that the "biggest team" in the franchices history is making the new Battlefield Live Service Game, well that makes me worried. This spells disaster!
@@SPECIFICREGIONYou mean people like Magnus Nordin, Rob Runesson, Stefan Strandberg, Patrick Söderlund, Jenny Huldschiner and Johan Andersson. Aka the founders of Embark Studios that made The Finals. I doubt they will leave something so successful to go work under EA's Boot. They left DICE EA after the failure if BFV for a reason and make there own game
@@velaikkathe finals was successful for all of a month. It's hemmoraged 90% of its playerbase and dropping. The finals will be dead in a year without a huge overhaul and likely embark will lose money on the game in the long run.
Seeing the bf3 premium stuff made me feel the most indescribable sense of nostalgia and sadness, gaming is never going to feel they way it did for me back then 😢
@ThalantyrBF3 BF3 was peak Battle Field. Every single map was a banger. BF2 was great too but BF3 was absolutely insane. If we could have BF4 classes and gear on BF3 maps remastered, my life would be complete.
@Smokeybonez_7 Respect the opinion. I felt BF2 with friendly fire, the 6-man squads, the fact that you could only spawn on the squad leader which added a huge amount of strategy to the game, no auto regeneration so you needed medics specifically, you had no idea where people killed you from, no markers on your HUD - you had to rely on the Commander to drop a UAV or players to spot and it would come up on your mini map. I think it was the right about of realism in an arcade FPS without being too much like ARMA or COD. It was it's own thing. You couldn't spam grenades whilst your team ran in. Once they made friendly fire non-default game mode no one ever played it and that ceased to exist. Ah, the days :(
I remember back then games show us gameplay as trailer and show cases new engine or gameplay features in the video. Everyone will drop their Jaws say "Yooooo thats sickk!" and get all hyped up.
Re subbed . After 12 ish years mate (early follower) the new battlefield hype just doesn't feel the same without you . I want to love BF again After dropping off in 5 I'm exited and will follow the best BF focused youtuber again to get back that warfighter feeling . Fingers crossed They don't screw it up again . .let's go.
I'm so glad you made this video. I really hope they see it and listen to it and listen to it closely. Because I tried to love this latest title, and I just couldn't. I felt robbed and definitely lied to. No cinematic or gameplay trailer that they release will be trusted from my end. And if it's lacking in content at all when comparing to BF3 and 4 as you did here, then I'm not spending anything on this game regardless of how good it looks and plays. I don't wanna jump into this next game with only 20 weapons and 5 maps... and hardly anything for vehicles. And it needs to feel and sound immersive when I play it. Not fast-paced like cod and apex.
Battlefield 3 was still for me the most exciting time in my gaming experience. It had many flaws, but I feel like that game really left a good impression on many gamers. I remember that I sometimes couldn’t sleep when a new DLC was dropping…
@@notoc6865bf3 had more of that realistic sound and feel and atmosphere. I tried to love bf2042 the same but it just feels cartoonish and not as detailed in my opinion so it’s not you
All I’m hearing there is “ahead of schedule” again… remember the cycle of cancelling support for bfv and putting all studios on 2042 to try and finish and save it and loom how that turned out. Now they’ve ended support for 2042 and have the largest team in history working on the next game. Right now there’s nothing to support the statement they’ve learned anything based on following the same cycle, I’ll expect another disastrous launch
Size of studio workforce doesn't necessarily equate to a good game either. Managing hundreds of developers requires great managers and it seems that DICE are lacking in that from what Glassdoor has shown.
@@rileys8535 Couldn’t agree more. Bigger teams means more competing visions for the game and more compromises, which produces a bland final draft that has no heart or love in it
2042 was supposed to have 4 seasons.... It got extended to 7 seasons and 3 years.. now if you think they kept shelling money for extended seasons at a product that wasn't selling.... Then I don't know what to tell you
@@rileys8535 Case in point, BF4's CTE was an absolute model of a small group of talented devs interacting directly with the community, and it gave us one of the best time periods in the series. Larger is not better. Larger means design-by-committee and none of the devs being able to be "in charge of" their own area, stifling creative vision.
Here’s the one glimmer of hope: Vince Zampella is leading Battlefield development. His track record is impeccable and he has publicly stated that he believes DICE strayed too far from what Battlefield was with 2042. I’m pessimistically cautiously slightly hopeful.
It’s so great that rather than addressing the community’s very clear issues with 2042, they choose to reassure us by saying “don’t worry we plan on copying Activision’s business model.”
If the next games live service, expect it to fail. Love service means crazy cosmetics, and crazy cosmetics isn't what the Battlefield community wants. Nobody wants to be running around sliding dressed like a rabbit or some bollox. EA completely missing the mark with Battlefield fueled by their greed to milk the game for whatever they can.
It would be nice if the different factions actually looked different in game. Instead of everyone looking the same. I love battfield but have struggled to in recent years. Great vid as always bro
I remember the goosebumps that Aftermath gave me when it was released. I really really really feel bad who did not experience BF3‘s prime days. IMMERSION
No pre order bois. Let the youtubers pre order and test the game. Then purchase the game after a sale is on........maybe. Never forget Battlefield 2042's "what a time to be alive" videos.
So much corporate bs washing out games these days, BF included. I understand why but very disappointing. Makes you feel like we’ll never get a BF game that’s truly made for us again.
Not me, I pre order starfield because I loved the idea of what the game could’ve been. I also preordered it because it was on my birthday but I told myself I will never preorder a game after if this one sucks and I was right.
Honestly, looking back at old BF season passes made me realise just how much of a dive in quality the BF franchise has gone through since the live service models implementation, like even the artwork for the individual packs brought back so many memories and the quality and value of each pack was so far ahead of what we've had since. ( the only exception being the Pacific front in BF5, they popped off with that)
They will never do it again. They are a profit driven company not one made to make enjoyable products. You can either reminisce bout the good ole days or graduate to adult shooters. Because battlefield will never come back.
Plz just make a BF4 like game this time, and have that amount of weapons and stuff in it. That is by far my fav BF game, i did not play BF3 as much so that is possible even better but i did not play it enough to know. Love the vid as always, love from Sweden!
having a larger team doesn't necessary mean it will be better because everyone has different vision per person, what matters is the commitment. Remember to not pre-order.
I am 100% going to preorder. This is the BF way. Preorder, horrible release, meme the bugs, DICE turns it around, game pans out as a banger, and then it is time for another BF. Lets gooooo
BF3/BF4 was peak battlefield. Not just because near future lends itself more to interesting weapons and mechanics than the other game periods, but also the map design and decoration was great. Most of the maps had good layouts that for really fun attacking and defending, but also felt like real places in the midst of a war. 2042 maps look like pristine paintball arenas, no thought goes into how you could provide cover and interesting flanks while still making it look realistic and natural, so it ends up in this weird limbo between stadium hero shooter and immersive battlefield simulation
If they carry over any game play elements from 2042, I hope they keep the weapon mod toggle system. That was hype. Also keep the dynamic/drastic weather changes - but make them less often.
For me, the most important things in the BF series are the atmosphere, cinematic experience, and grittiness in every aspect of the game. Also, I think the premium model in the past BF games worked better than the live service model for the BF games in terms of the quality of content delivered to fans. Unfortunately live service model puts the beneficial aspect of the content to the priority and not the quality of content.
Nope. Skipped BF2042 entirely. Got BFV right as the hype for BF2042 was ramping up for 5 or 10 USD. Thats the way to go, buy the last title right as the marketing push for the next one starts. The game is fixed, heavily discounted, lots of content and if its a good game it will have a healthy player base.
I will forever die on the hill that Premium didn't split the playerbase as much as much as offering the DLCs a la carte did. If it was Premium or nothing then it would just be two playlists. A la carte meant they needed to keep individual DLC playlists up to honor purchases of just a single DLC pack.
Battlefield premium also gave you the QUALITY. That’s the biggest thing to me. It gave you so much more than these live service and almost all of it is QUALITY. 1 map is not NEARLY enough if it isn’t quality.
The only thing that would recapture my interest is the announcement they’re going back to the Battlefield Premium model. Several 4 map DLCs released over a 18 month period for $50, no other monetization planned.
I've pre-ordered and played every BF game since BF1942, many, many moons ago. None of them have come close to BF2 to date. The default friendly fire, no kill cam, no auto regeneration, no HUD spotting was the pinnacle of the series. It positioned itself between something like ARMA and COD. Since then it's slowly shifted towards COD and they've lost their place. RIP.
Fully agree, BF2 was the pinnacle of the series. BF3, BF4 and BF1 have come close (and arguably surpassed it atmospherically in BF1), but never beat it in sheer gameplay, skill and coordination. Everything after BF1 was an abomination and nothing less than raw disrespect to the community 😤
Yeah, there were things i liked about BF3 though, BF3 was the last BF for me, I really miss BF2; Played ALOT of America's Army pre v3, preferred that over the Over FPS shrug.
@@damp2269 I know a lot of people really liked BC2 and the destruction was pretty cool, but I felt like the Rush gameplay was miles away from what I wanted from a BF game. The maps were so thin and you'd just run a quad bike straight down the middle, hop off and hope you didn't die. That gameplay didn't work for me. Each to their own though.
@@ThalantyrBF3 i get it. what i like is that there is a battle line, you can usually tell where the enemy is coming from, conquest usually devolves into madness really quickly although some maps are better than others for either game mode.
PLayed the OG 1942 online, BadCo 2, BF3 and BF4 for so many hours of my life. Got Premium for the last two games. Got so disappointed in BF5 that I switched to Sim racing for a couple of years. Sinds 2023 I started playing COD DMZ. It's a blast! Would love for BF6 to be more like DMZ and BF3, but most of my dreams won't come true.
Would be nice to see a return to having a single-player campaign. One of my biggest gripes with 2042 was that they set up some huge potential for a compelling story, and then completely omitted any real possibility of such.
When they moved zampella over to lead dice i lost all hope. Zampella admitted that loot boxes and collection events in apex were him and respawn, not EA, and they never went back and made any if it earnable or remotely affordable. It was all whale hunting so I have zero hope for the next bf game and zampella can go gob a knob
I think one thing that really killed 2042 more than anything was not the lack of maps but rather the lack of game modes. Bring back the classics. I’m talking Squad death match, defuse, capture the flag. One that ALOT of people loved in BF3 was the Armored Kill Tank superiority. Also all the 2042 vehicles feel rather underwhelming. Also proximity chat is long overdue since teamspeak isn’t in the game. Lastly, close quarters maps. Hands down one of the most popular game modes in Battlefield history.
I was actually very disappointed with the new live service style of updating the game, as well as the lack of the good ol' premium for the game. Thank you for giving me better perspective over these two systems and how they affect the game, these are actually the points I needed to hear.
I 100% agree with you Jack. Maps and weapons are the two most important things you must have in abundance in a FPS game! The other element would be the destruction because it's Battlefield right? Those three elements in previous Battlefield titles is what made the franchise great Maps, weapons, destruction. Battlefield is supposed to be an unfathered Sandbox of Chaos. Battlefield is not supposed to be Call of Duty it's supposed to be Battlefield.
Pendant que nous attendons pour "jouer à la guerre" certains se battent et meurent dans la vraie vie, pour nous permettre à nous de jouer en paix chez nous à ce genre de jeu, ne l’oublions jamais. Merci !
it would literally be so easy for them. just make it like bf3 and bf4. thats all we ever want. no heros, no weird fancy half future. people just want to be a grunt in a large battle with their favorite recognizable guns and vehicles, thats all
I want to make something like that when it comes for my setting And yes the book its going to be based on has this exact feeling except its more near modern equipment the likes of battlefield 2042 but everything else is like that
If they just made BF4 and BF1 cross platform I'd play all the time and would buy every single skin in the game... but now I'm never playing Battlefield ever again
They better bring back the badass story mode that they used to have, as well as a coop story sort of like bf3 had, loved that mode, they could definitely expand on it
