Something DANGEROUS Is Threatening the Southern Baptist Convention 

People just go to church let the pastor talk at them and leave

@@joshuagarner1654 ?

False Compassion. I like that term

Amen, those who demand tolerance will soon insist on acceptance. And ultimately these people will demand that you become one of them.

church needs to God Up not Man up

If you don't have Apostolic succession you don't have a Church. 😊

​@dman7668 THEN THE Church no longer exists, because Rome doesn't even have that.

@@larrywarner1630 The Roman Catholic CREATED the "Church" around 325 a.d. or earlier, Jesus created HIS BODY at Pentacost

The orthodox and Catholic Churches have said that for 2000 years almost.

@@larrywarner1630 how do you know it doesn't?

This!

Right on!

God’s word is the same, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It does NOT change with societal trends.

@@dalethompson6952Yes! Women should wear head coverings in church!

@@JohnMark61355 That really is minor. It's good, but DON'T make a rule out of it! When I first received Christ and started truly worshiping Him, I did not have a head covering. I was still blessed by the Lord who looks on the heart and not on the outward appearance. We are NOT saved by "works."

I really wish the people passionate about evil would be that passionate for Christ. Imagine how awesome it would be to get some of those people converted who aren't afraid to be heard like that. Kind of like Paul who went from being an extremist against Christianity, to being a mega extremist FOR Christianity. God could use these people for so many good things if they would only obey :(

Your foundation is a Church Jesus and the Apostles had nothing to do with.

Go Indy. I did, best move ever

AGREED... Yes Revelation does warn us about the SBC.

Very sad 😔! I

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I'm from South America, please don't let the SBC fall.

Exactly where are amendments, and a constitution for a church in the Bible?

SBC lacks the autonomy the Holy Bible calls for in the local church...the "hierarchy" is your local Pastor (MALE) as the undershepherd directly under Jesus the Shepherd.....no controlling managers in between

@@michaelkendall662 Not exactly. You are correct about autonomy, but the "hierarchy" is the elders.

Definitely need more with his commitment to the Word.

Still miss that great lion of God.

Don't pretend that folks in the SBC don't care if it survives or not. If the church goes belly up (perhaps because of all the lawsuits that will keep piling up regarding the scandals of child molestations and cover-ups) all those church leaders will have to go out and get real jobs. The job of deluding people about the existence of imaginary beings has a pretty grim future. Every day people are leaving the churches and declaring themselves agnostic and atheistic. This trend shows no sign of slowing down. I find it hilarious.

Ahh, Adrian Rodgers, a name I never get sick of hearing. He was such a blessing. Truly maybe the only redeeming thing out of Memphis.

News Flash! Christ said he would build his Church on Peter, and that church had the authority to make new rules and put away old rules. That Church is NOT the SBC. The SBC is in no way affiliated with the Church that Christ established in Matthew 16:18-19. Go read it. Then run, don't walk, away from the heretics you assemble with.

Amen

They are not the only ones. MANY churches are falling to this. Trust me, the Lord will have absolutely NO compassion in eternity when He says to the evil people who refuse to repent "be gone!!! I never knew you!!"

If God loves women, why does He want to silence them? Why does He consider them less than men?

Amen, are we disciples of Chrit! Men were made for God and women for men. Positions have been defined.

The devil roams about at church playing his fave game of deception, oldest trick in his bag and humans FALL for it every time, it makes him roar with laughter as he makes mincemeat out of souls.

Sounds like something I read from Richard Baxter.

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I'd like to give you a million thumbs up in agreement! (except I'd remove the word 'probably'.) The 'Pastor' who married me left his wife and kids (a few yrs later) for a man. Makes me wonder if my marriage is official! I would say any pastor who goes against Scripture on the main points (not the little things), has not the Spirit. There are tons of those! Remember Matthew 7, esp. vs's 21-23. "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven ............ I Never knew you. Away from Me, you evildoers!" Take care my brother! 😇📖

I believe the current stats stand at 20% which realistically means closer to only 5-15% are born again.

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Very true!! "Did God really say that?" The prince of Lies always trying to slither in at the door.

Satan’s tactic was “is that REALLY what God meant when He said….?” In short, his tactic was to get Eve to DOUBT what God meant. This is EXACTLY what the church I left three years ago did to justify female pastors. “Is that what God REALLY meant about church leadership, or was that just for the people of that time period”. THE CHURCH was working to get people to doubt what God MEANT. It was SHOCKING that only 18 members out of 800+ had a problem with it and left.

He didn't mean that, he meant this. Don't worry you'll know everything, you'll be as wise as God.

God gave Eve paradise, but she wanted more.

Because Jesus hated gays, right? You folks just twist scripture to conform to your own bigotry and hatred. It's pretty sad.

@lisadooley3872 “How ‘bout them Chiefs!” I was SHOCKED!!!

Me too…THE PITTSBURGH STEELERS 🙏🏾✊🏿👊🏽

I'm sure my team Seattle, will be all over that . Probably wear rainbow uniforms

Yay!!

Pittsburgh Steelers Cleveland Browns Cincinnati Bengals Tennessee Titans Kansas City Chiefs Denver Broncos Dallas Cowboys Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers New Orleans Saints Atlanta Falcons All chose not to participate in it.

Paul literally told Phebe, a woman, to preach in his stead while he was gone. Still wanna "stand firm" on that? The stand firm on the word of God and tell women to preach.

⁠@@saintmalaclypse3217He calls her a servant. The term from which we get “deacon” and “deaconess” (see notes on 1 Tim. 3:10, 11, 12). In the early church, women servants cared for sick believers, the poor, strangers, and those in prison. They instructed the women and children (cf. Titus 2:3-5). Whether Phoebe had an official title or not, she had the great responsibility of delivering this letter to the Roman church. When they had served faithfully and become widowed and destitute, such women were to be cared for by the church. He never said she should preach please go back and re read that scripture

@@saintmalaclypse3217 He did not tell her to do that. lol

@@saintmalaclypse3217 : verse or it never happened even if you say literally

I Timothy chapter 3 for Bishop qualifications

But we’re commanded to worship with other believers. “Forsake Not The Assembling…” Hebrews 10:25… So when you meet regularly, you form a group and give yourselves a name like Bible Study Group, Assembly, Church. You share in each others needs, help others financially. Ya see, you just can’t escape Church if you’re going to serve God.

@@terrymoffett1356 My brother, I say this with love and respect. If the church you're going to is serving the world, find another that serves Jesus Christ. Even if that's just two other people worshipping in your livingroom. A church that doesn't follow the unchanging Word of the eternal living GOD, isn't a place you should be. Your church can be any place where true believers gather. You don't need a building or a denomination to worship GOD with fellow believers. GOD bless 🙏♥️✝️

i am a dentist with two small children and every word you say is true( because it is based on the scripture) I have a friend who understand that women cannot be pastors in a church but says she was explicitly led by God to that church. I keep wondering how can anyone be so delusional to say that God will lead them to a church that operates against His scriptures.

Priscilla preached in Acts 18:26 An unnamed Samaritan woman preached in John 4:28-30 Paul left Phebe to preach in his place in Romans 16:1-2 The Bible gives examples of women preaching, so are you saying the Bible is wrong? The same books that say women should NOT preach also say women should wear head-coverings, which were full-length veils. Do you wear your veil in church, or do you ignore that particular verse? The verses that speak against women preaching are PAUL's words, not God's. Are you placing Paul above Jesus? You shouldn't, since Paul himself let a woman preach (in Romans 16:1-2) Paul also says women should be silent in church, then immediately says women CAN pray and prophesy in church (which is the opposite of silence) as long as they wear their veils. Paul's instructions are contradictory, and they are NOT God's words. He makes that clear. So, if the Bible flip-flops and shows that women CAN preach and says that they CAN'T, all you're left with is what the MEN in your church are telling you.

Thank you so much, this is so encouraging, may God continue to bless your family.

​@saintmalaclypse3217 Scripture is clear about roles in church. You are mixing prescriptive categories with descriptive categories...God also used a donkey to show a man his error, are you suggesting we make donkeys speakers at church??? Too silly

@@saintmalaclypse3217 : you lost me with Bible flip flops, which it never does second you said paul said it. Every scripture is inspired by God, so even though paul said it, God was the one who inspired it Also Acts 18.26: Now he( apollos)began to speak boldly in the synagogue but when priscilla and Aquila heard it , they took him aside and explained to him your argument would be more convincing if the Bible said, and then priscilla started a church of the corinthians and took leadership of it Bible is not against woman praying ( talking to God for us and other people ) and prophesying ( talking to people about God) when paul inspired by God said , women should wear head coverings , he was talking about the local corinthian custom.( he explicitly said maintain the traditions) it is still valid in middle eastern cultures now . i live in America and still wear a head covering , not because it is mandatory but because i want to do it You know why that is different from telling that women should not take leadership. look at the reason behind. eve was the one tempted by satan first right. is that still valid today or did it change ? Also phoebe a “servant” of the church of cencharae. why didn’t it say deacon or elder or pastor if she was the one going to take control of it. Don’t you think that bible would have been really clear of such important matters But you can do you. Anyone like the above lady who knows exactly what scriptures means will never get swayed by false doctrine especially someone telling paul wrote it and not God . Also can you show me the verse where paul makes it clear that these are his words and NOT Gods ? bevatse i never knew that

I can remember a time when we could count on the Baptist church to forbid slaves to marry.

​@@dman7668the Southern Baptist Convention is the ONLY religious organization to PUBLICLY apologize for their support for slavery. Give them credit for acknowledging their historical role and seeking to set it right.

​@@dman7668You're that old?

I am so old I can remember when our Southern Baptist neighbors were the most hateful toward Christians of any other denomination or stripe. Praying on their knees on Sunday and neighbors the rest of the week.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

Rom.16:1-2 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant (the Greek word is διάκονον=deacon) of the church at Cenchreae, that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a patron of many and of myself as well.

@@glstka5710 Maybe but 1 Tim 3 speaks against it. I personally leave it up to churches to decide.

Oh, so now. Phoebe was a visiting pastor? I don’t get it.

The woman agrees with the Word of God also. “Husband of one wife”….

@@addjoaprekobaah5914 I just posted what Paul wrote. Whether you 'get it' is a different thing altogether.

the next generation of church members is probably the most crucial thing there is for the church... don't know why anyone would look down on possibly the hardest and most fulfilling job there possibly is. If people think that's an easy job, they are either deluded, or doing it very wrong. Jesus taught us that to lead means washing everyone's feet, the top of the hierarchy is the one responsible for everyone and must serve for them to the point of sacrificing all that they are for those they lead. The nice place to be is actually at the bottom in the kingdom, the top gets harder and harder with more and more pain and stress. (at least on earth) Too many see the top of the ladder as a place to aspire too, when the bottom is where the people kick back and have grapes fed to them...

Anyone that seeks power and control for the sake of power and control, shouldn't hold such a position.

Hear hear

I am a lifelong Methodist and have seen the damage done to our churches. We call them "church-killers". There is never any growth when the woman pastor comes and usually the church just goes down and down. The ladies might mean well, but they often have that "hear me roar" chip on their shoulder and it just kills everything God wants to do in the church. I have known hundreds of Methodist pastors, men and women, and I have yet to see a single example of effective ministry taking place in a church under a woman's pastoral leadership.

It isn’t a matter of being happy with that role, it is a matter of being in line with our most Holy God. Be firm SBC. Blessings, debby

Yup. Few are following the Spirit of the LIVING God and we know this because they believe His Word is a…book, and they believe their interpretation and understanding of that book is truth. Silly kids🙄😂😇

​@raerae4008 wait...are you saying we shouldn't trust the bible as God's Holy word ?

@@halffull5384 Im saying we should be trusting His Spirit to interpret the written words of dead men that we have constructed into books and claim to BE the Word of the Living God. What IS the Word of our Creator? Cannot possibly be books full of written symbols as OUR words come out our mouths. I believe I am formed in the image and likeness of the Creator of all Life…do you? Or is your Gods word something made by the hands of men? What is the Book of Life my friend? Is that the bible for you?

@raerae4008 I think we should trust the word of God. The bible. Mormons think they've been confirmed by the Holy Spirit that the book of Mormon is the authority of God. Who's right ? How do you know anything about God, Jesus , or the Holy Spirit If its not based on the Bible ?

@@raerae4008 Either the Bible is, as it is, 100% true, and 100% accurate; or it isn’t. There is no in between. There is no “letting the spirit interpret”, etc. Either the God who created the entire universe by speaking it into existence is also capable of making sure the Bible contain exactly the text He wanted and nothing more….or God doesn’t exist. The Bible itself says that it is the complete word of God. It says nothing is to be added to it, nor taken away. It also says it is the actual word of God. So again, either it’s true, or it isn’t. You limiting God’s power by saying His word can’t possibly be written because our words come out of our mouths is blasphemy. God, Himself, said that His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. If you don’t accept the Bible as the truth (infallible), the whole truth (nothing can be added or taken away), and nothing but the truth; then you do not trust God and cannot be a Christian.

Was it heretical for the SBC to refuse to Marry slaves?

@@dman7668 were those heretics driven out?

@@cloud1494 I am asking, was it a doctrine of demons in the Bible to forbid marriage? Did the Baptist church change its stance because of society or because of church doctrine? We both know it did so based on SOCIETY.

⁠@@dman7668many people through history did horrific things in the name of Christianity. The Catholics for a time believed native Americans weren’t even human and didn’t have souls. Remember Jews may have been Gods chosen people, but he also wiped a lot of them off the face of the planet for sinning against him. Remember Mathew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Non of us are perfect and the main thing we should all be focusing on is the Bible and trying to do Gods will. what is going on with these modern churches is not biblical and scripture backs that up.

At my church, it depends on how much $ the heretics donate.

Well, when everyone has authority to interpret scripture if they own a copy of the bible, who has authority to say whose interpretation is better then anybody else's?

The same way an Australian, an American, a British, or any other nation that speaks English can communicate and understand each other because languages fundamentally are governed by rules that help in communication. Even before Peter came along, Babel had happened. The Bible was written in certain languages and the only way we can understand and accept what it says is when we have the Holy Spirit. Are you saying the Pope or the RC now dispenses the Holy Spirit? Or that in the RC there is universal agreement without the threat of anathema? It is such a tired silly line to think because we have denominations we can’t understand the Bible at it’s basis. Go read history, many popes and priest had no idea of what scripture taught. Only repeating tired lines they’ve rehearsed. Away with your one universal church theory not backed by scripture. Hopefully we meet in heaven. Thank goodness the pope is not the one handling the Book of Life. Jesus is. And he’s no RC.

@addjoaprekobaah5914 This doesn't answer my question, who has authority to say whose interpretation of the bible is more authorative then anybody elses?

Scripture literally teaches that women are NOT to teach. Men are called to keep and guard prefall, and this includes theology.

Rick Warren is to be marked and avoided. His teachings are heretical. Ephesians 5:11

What would that mean for it to get passed?

@@ZachFish- That churches who employ female pastors (including associate pastors) are no longer considered to be in friendly cooperation with the SBC and can no longer be represented by messengers at the annual meetings.

​@@ZachFish- That the denomination follows the biblical and historical mandate, the truth they understand the scriptures teach and what has been practiced in the SBC since 1845. This will put them at odds with other denominations, likely becoming the most conservative while still upholding the values and relationships between men, women and the church in the most historical biblical manner, while secularism infects and spreads through other denominations. The warnings and rebukes in the first few chapters of Revelation are at stake.

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus Yes, but is it something that can be changed fairly easily if another two conventions says otherwise?

Salvation is free, but living in that salvation costs your entire life. People want what is easy, not that which demands everything.

Cliff Palmer was my grandma’s pastor in Cleveland ok and he was my intrerim pastor at First Baptist Church Euless Tx, he was truly a hero of the faith I wish there were men like him still around along with Manley Beasley, Adrian Rogers, Bailey Smith, and others that have gone on to be with the Lord. I am thankful that Tom Elliff, Ruffin Snow, Jimmy Draper are still with us. They are the example of true leadership. Jesus though is our supreme example leadership.

Amen sister......SBC long ago lost their way......when you impose a government on Jesus' church you have already gone astray

Same

Malarkey, it's the curse of all humankind....Adam ate the apple too my friend!

@@k.popper2620 What'd you do, just read a couple words then comment? He literally wrote "Though the man may try push blame onto the woman, he, and everyone else, knows that the responsibility is ultimately his."

Again who cursed Eve to control the man?

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus God cursed Eve and Adam both for daring to fall for the trap He set in the Garden. That'd be like me punishing a fish who dared to bite my baited hook.

Well, this isn't about whether or not the word of God is the bible. This is about interpretation. And since sola scripture means all believers interpret the Bible that means they all are equally valid in their views so long as they have a Bible passage they can "back it with"😊

​@@dman7668One scripture does not create a precedence nor does it create a doctrine. The discussion has to go much deeper and wider than simply proffering a scripture by a lay person. You're certainly allowed to have a personal interpretation which will change as you grow in the faith, but that interpretation isn't sufficient enough to direct an entire body in matters in faith and practice. The debate has been going on for 40 years. It's best to look into the pros and cons as presented in those arguments, instead of your own personal interpretation, however well-meaning.

@@dman7668 Anyone can take a few scripture from the Bible and twist it like Satan this is not the Bible or God's word, but just another religious denomination creating their own religion to suit their purpose.

@SpaceCadet4Jesus OH yeah I completely agree, but the reality is with Sola scripture being the highest authority there is no other way for Christians to adjudicate these issues once you have rejected the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. It becomes a free for all.

@@dman7668 and it is a free for all for there are over 45,000 religious denominations out there but only one word. And I mean no offence but it is the church that started religion down this path back in the first four centuries. And some of what is in early church records show that the church exceeded their authority in changes of time and law only because they did not want to be associated with the Jews. So to me there is no religious denomination that I support for all in one place or another in their church doctrines goes against God's word and if God's word is truth then they do not fully follow truth.

You mean Adam and Steve?

One advantage of having an infallible magesterium over the protestant Churches is that truth can change on a vote. Literally.

I don't remember anything about electing a president in Matthew 16:18-19 when Jesus said he would build his Church on Peter. Y'know, the Church that still exists today and has NOTHING to do with the SBC?

Love. You mean lust. 😉

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus Yup, "Living in Love and Faith, or, as I like to call it, Living in Lust and Fornication, its Heresy and Sin People!" -the Reverend Brett Murphy.

Redefine marriage, redefine sexuality, redefine identity, redefine sin, redefine obedience, is a redefined faith. Let's just call the Bible, the Holy Blubble.

I’m PCA and my pastor says that younger pastors are leaning more liberal. Pray it doesn’t happen !

They already have. Nobody is required to follow the SBC. It's a toothless authority. That's the problem with the entire reformation. I keep trying to explain to my fellow Protestants this. The reformation isn't working. Time to go be a Catholic again.

Well, who is to say I can't interpret the Bible differently then you? As long as I adhere to the bible as the highest authority it's okay for me to interpret it this way.

The question of whether the Bible forbids women from being pastors is a topic of theological debate and interpretation. I will list some passages in the Bible that are often cited in discussions about this issue. 1 Timothy 2:12 states, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” This verse is frequently referenced by those who believe that the Bible prohibits women from serving as pastors, while others say it's only Timothy's social environment and personal belief. However, other passages suggest that women have played significant roles in ministry and leadership within the early church. For example, Acts 2:17-18 mentions that God will pour out His Spirit on all people, and Acts 21:9 describes Priscilla teaching Apollos, an eloquent speaker and well versed in the Scriptures. Although Priscilla wasn't a pastor she did teach a man the finer ways of God. I'm sure this wasn't an isolated incident as it gathered enough importance to be recorded. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 also mentions that women should keep silent in the churches and not teach or assume authority over a man. Again, opponents say this is a command based on the OT law and on the social structure in place at the time. Women can't even speak in church is not viewpoint many can swallow. On the other hand, Galatians 3:28 states, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” This verse is often interpreted to mean that all believers have equal status in Christ, which some argue includes the right to serve as pastors. Personally I'll accept which way the SBC goes. My aunt was a God-fearing pastor for over 50 years, teaching the poor with her husband who was also a pastor. They were never wealthy, always serving, and always preaching the pure milk of the Word. After my uncle and aunt died, their son continued as the new pastor serving the same poor community. I also knew other women teachers through the years, but these were old school Godly women whom the men definitely could learn a thing or two. In my opinion God anointed their Ministry and lives because they were not seeking the world's Goods but rather the holiness that comes from Walking With Jesus.

@@dman7668 : you could interpret the Bible differently from another person But one of you will be wrong Because the Holy Spirit is not the authour of confusion and because the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit there will be only one interpretation, the correct one. It is better as we read the scriptures to ask the Holy Spirit for His leading, with the sincere prayer that we understand the scripture as He meant when He inspired it

@@rebat7564 How do you determine who has the Holy Spirit and who does in interpreting the Bible? Also. If the Baptist Church says the Holy Spirit guides them to say we cannot baptize infants, but the Lutherans, Catholics, and Anglicans do teach the Holy Spirit is guiding them to say we can baptize infants, is the majority interpretation then correct or is the baptist Church being guided by the Holy Spirit then Reba?

@@dman7668 : the Holy spirit is in every true believer and if you sincerely believe He is powerful and if you earnestly seek Him, He will be very clear. God is not an author of confusion ( I corinthians 14.33). If we say He cannot we acknowledge He is not powerful

We do have a role in the church...teaching children and other women.

And it's a very important role ​@@dianefeack57. God bless you.

In the New Testament, Priscilla took Apollo aside and taught him. I'm pretty sure they could have found a man to do that. It was deemed important enough information to be recorded though. I highly doubt it was the only instance. Women were an integral part of historic Judaism as prophets, and had many roles in the New Testament Church, including assisting the apostles in the proclamation of the Gospel, day and night. It was likely to be more of a supportive role than a teaching role, but obviously teaching was not out of the question when it was necessary. Roman and Jewish society, not to mention others, had clear delineation of male and female roles. That acceptance and understanding was a huge part of the fabric of their society, whether they followed the biblical laws or not . Slavery was also an important economical factor in these societies, not condemned by scripture, and laws were made for the equitable treatment of slaves, or the indentured. In the 21st "Gentile" society where we live, our social structure isn't as strictly delineated and each gender can take up a cross role without issues, based on their personal preferences and situation. Also our society is not based upon Old Testament laws, nor do we understand or practice the social policy of temporal indebted servitude or slavery. We live differently, then the Israelis, the Romans, the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Mesopotamians, the Babylonians, etc.. It's up to us to decide how we're going to live in accordance with what we believe the scriptures teach us for our day and time. Whatever we choose, should be done in faith, holiness and the desire to serve our Lord.

@@SpaceCadet4Jesus : if you are talking Acts 18.26, doesn’t it mention that aquila and priscilla took him aside and expounded the scriptures ?

@@rebat7564 Almost. In every mention of their name, Priscilla was named first. What meaning that has I cannot conjecture and they are always named together, kinda like my wife and I. When you talk about one you're talking about the other, because we are a very tight unit. That's what it reminds me of. My post wasn't "only Priscilla taught" to the exclusion of her husband.