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Sonic draw through turbo systems: how they work 

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Most of you have heard of draw through turbo systems, but how many of you have heard of a "Sonic Draw Through" system? Typical draw throughs lack the ability to run a traditional inter coolers, so "high boost" can become an issue with most, however there is a long forgotten system called the sonic draw through, a term coined by the long dead company Accel/Rotomaster. They built unique spacer plates that allowed for fuel and air to bypass straight into the engine at idle, then under boost, it would close the bypass valves, creating a sealed chamber for boost to build. This design caused an inherent heat exchange inside the spacer plate from the turbo but also since it always had fuel passing through it caused a extraordinary cooling effect of the mentioned heat that would accumulate under boost. Few of these where made and even fewer still exist, and no information on their function is avalible online, it only is left in the minds of old school mechanics and on a few instruction booklets in attics or old shops.

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@amateurism1
@amateurism1 Год назад
Ohhh man, I started buying pieces to build one of these setups, is it too much to ask for an idle control video? I suppose a diagram will work as good as the hardware on the bench, if the hardware is gone by now. Thanks for making these videos , you’re one of the few, if not the only.
@JohnParliPhotography
@JohnParliPhotography 4 года назад
I put an old Martin system on my Vega. These old setups are sooooo cool and soooooo fun. Running the q jet still too. Works perfect once you get it dialed in.
@larryc7777
@larryc7777 5 лет назад
I was the proud(?) owner of one of those systems shortly after they first came out. There are a couple of drawbacks to using that particular system. The major one is the way that the boost is regulated. When the preset boost pressure is reached, the solenoid valve causes that large valve to restrict the incoming boost from the compressor discharge which, in turn, holds the boost at the set value(mostly). Unfortunately, that type of boost regulation does not stop the exhaust turbine from spinning faster & faster. This causes A LOT of heat to build in the discharge air from the compressor side. So much that the engine is VERY detonation prone. I was continually blowing head gaskets...even though my engine was built with forged 8-1 pistons AND the heads were O'ringed with copper wire to help the clamping force on the soft copper head gaskets. This type of system still has a chance of working fairly decently if a couple of modifications are added the hardware. First, lose the solenoid/flapper boost control feature and replace it with a wastegate style boost control. This will help to lessen unwanted heat buildup in the intake charge. Second, find a way to plumb an intercooler into the system. You don't have to worry as much about turbo lag since you will be running naturally aspirated until the boost closes the valves under the carb. I would also recommend adding a good wide band A/F gauge. Turbo engines are very unforgiving of lean fuel mixtures. Also, plan on rejetting often if the vehicle is driven in varying temperatures. A morning temperature of 45 deg will result in a significantly different A/F reading than a mid afternoon temp of 90 deg. Good luck & Happy Turboing. "Edit After I thought back to those days with the Accel Turbo system, I need to make an edit to my post. A conventional style of intercooler will not work with a pull through turbo system. The fuel would be pulled from the atomized fuel/air mixture by contact with the intercooler passages. This would lead to uneven mixture distribution to all of the cylinders and result in raw gas puddles in the intercooler. Intercooling is still possible but it would require that the discharge pipe be cooled without disrupting the mixture flow. Sorry for the misinformation. Edit"
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
Thank you for your input, I actually made this system work some time ago on a predator 5000, which adjusted for me great without "rejetting" or any fuel adjustments what so ever. I didn't remove the valve, I changed the spring in it and made it into a pop off valve which opened under 14psi, I used a old school heat sink pipe as an intercooler and ran it all downhill to the ports so there was no fuel pooling. I also made the boost inlet much bigger as I was having flow problems at first causing fuel to accumulate under the carb in the drop down by the valves, which in turn started cooling the carb and riser so much the condensation would freeze to the sonic riser. On the Mustang 5.4 predator setup it made huge power gains, but I wasn't using RU-vid then and never recorded or posted it. I beat a charger hellcat with it from a dig by about 5 cars to 100-110mph so it was making plenty of power for a vintage setup.
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
Ps, never blew a head gasket and overheated it plenty of times due to a bad coolant leak.
@V8N8T
@V8N8T 5 лет назад
I just picked one of these up came with a turbo, carb adapter unit, 2 cast boost pipes, turbo tee for the exhaust side of turbo and turbo down pipe. These are definitely a rare piece
@joeytacey743
@joeytacey743 2 года назад
In the early 80s I was seriously wanting to get the accel Sonic turbo kit... one reason I never got it was because the carburetor would sit approximately 5 in higher and I didn't have or want a hood scoop
@raysoto1969
@raysoto1969 3 года назад
The red knob thingy is a "pop off valve" that releases pressure from the occasional backfire. Without a pop off valve, something else would give way
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
Yup, and if you add a second pop off valve on the other side on place of the door restrictor, and use one way valve restrictors on the ends of the pop offs they actually can work as boost control as well.
@xmo552
@xmo552 Год назад
@@emistryracingllc2400 Nice you made it work. I'd like to turbo my 81 GMC 1 ton. She's always loaded heavy.
@marmadukedeeznutz5624
@marmadukedeeznutz5624 5 лет назад
I appreciate this...never understood these...
@TimothyGambino9085
@TimothyGambino9085 8 месяцев назад
That’s so cool is like build one as a machinist. Just don’t get the throttle flat portion
@Rob-cm9jr
@Rob-cm9jr 3 года назад
You could hone out the port with a dremel. Being a bit smaller is ok to maintain good boost pressure. Going too big would cause boost lag with that turbo unless you rebuild with better than oem or go bigger setup all together.
@byronjones8246
@byronjones8246 4 года назад
I ran that same setup on a sbc 350..its was sweet.
@rogerpaulll1451
@rogerpaulll1451 Год назад
ive got a predator man that thing is snapy never heard of that turbo set up
@sharifmowad627
@sharifmowad627 6 месяцев назад
Very cool, was there any risk of fires from the pressure release valve dumping pressure that had atomized fuel mixture. I could imagine a heat soaked engine bay at ideal with the less stable, older fuels has a potential to catch a spark
@notmyname731
@notmyname731 2 года назад
I'm confused how additional fuel is compensated for. Doesn't the turbo just force more air into the manifold.
@OdinForce4
@OdinForce4 11 месяцев назад
Wonder how they would compare performance wise to the new style turbo setups
@ashfx98
@ashfx98 2 года назад
Very clear explanation thanks
@boosted74m2
@boosted74m2 3 года назад
I bet it would be great setup with E85 .
@shanemcclaran3012
@shanemcclaran3012 4 года назад
Put that on top of a 177 super charger. 2 power adders
@awesomusmaximus3766
@awesomusmaximus3766 3 года назад
Wow cool never seen one
@X85283
@X85283 4 года назад
Interesting. What is the added value vs a straight draw-through? I assume just better off-boost performance and easier packaging on a V8?
@zachrussell996
@zachrussell996 2 года назад
Can you still buy these I can't find one anywhere?
@amateurism1
@amateurism1 4 года назад
Any videos of that mustang with this setup? I've seen this and the predator carb video. I've been waiting....
@amateurism1
@amateurism1 3 года назад
Still waiting....
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
I made it run, wasn't using RU-vid during that time, it was in a pile up collision and now a new owner uses it as a drift car.
@amateurism1
@amateurism1 3 года назад
Oh man, I’m sorry to hear that, I hope you are ok.
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
@@amateurism1 yeah I'm ok, the mustang suffer some bad front and rear end damage though, sold It but I kept the turbo setup and just slapped a Edelbrock carb on it, the motor is still running strong though from what I hear.
@Buildit4u
@Buildit4u 5 лет назад
what do you call the adapter for the carburetor?
@sirtnfol8476
@sirtnfol8476 2 года назад
Cool
@jacobhoke581
@jacobhoke581 4 года назад
That things so cool where did you get it
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
At an old hot rod shop in Vaughan NM.
@craigalston2208
@craigalston2208 Год назад
@@emistryracingllc2400 are here any companies that currently still make the yellow carburetor / turbo adapters ? If so I would be grateful if you could name those companies and what is the price range for the adapters ? Or do you have a spare adapter that you would like to sell ?
@PBRfabco
@PBRfabco 5 лет назад
Mike. You going to put it on the mustang?
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
Did a long time ago, fell off RU-vid for a while and never made vids unfortunately.
@marinamuhopad2701
@marinamuhopad2701 5 лет назад
Круто!!!
@robertofernandez7178
@robertofernandez7178 4 года назад
And where does the intercooler go in this system?
@normd5776
@normd5776 4 года назад
The TurboSonic Turbo Systems were never designed to be used with a intercooler, you would have to adapt one if you wanted it.
@raysoto1969
@raysoto1969 3 года назад
Carbureted draw through turbo system can never be intercooled since fuel is being transported through the ducting. Fuel dropout and puddling would be occur inside any proposed intercooler. As soon as your air/fuel is compressed in the turbocharger, the mixture needs to be quickly routed to the intake manifold in the shortest route possible. On the positive side, carbureted draw through systems run cooler than dry multiport intakes.
@xmo552
@xmo552 Год назад
Not needed at low psi. The fuel cools it.
@patrickshaw8595
@patrickshaw8595 Год назад
If you get stupid with boost on one of these you can always add water-meth injection "for free" that is you don't need a pump or anything - air velocity+ boost pressure acting on a small tank is all that's necessary.
@budhihart8161
@budhihart8161 4 года назад
Why not use elctric turbocharger....with it u can control when the turbo get to works... and set and control boost....by control voltage on the electric motor.....and u can easyli on and off the turbo
@mikem5475
@mikem5475 2 года назад
Electric turbos are unicorns
@timsharpe3498
@timsharpe3498 2 года назад
Electric turbos are good for rounding up leaves in the yard.
@johnjerizlopezignacio3891
@johnjerizlopezignacio3891 4 года назад
His voice is like a young adult Dom Toretto.
@marcusquinones1634
@marcusquinones1634 4 года назад
👏👏👏👏👏👏🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🍻🍻🍻🍻
@donaldd1612
@donaldd1612 4 года назад
Just watched a guy build one of these box’s...
@bmacster1985
@bmacster1985 3 года назад
No one else saw the face on the bottom of thar carburator.
@jeffcarr2652
@jeffcarr2652 3 года назад
Junk
@emistryracingllc2400
@emistryracingllc2400 3 года назад
Because you don't know how to make them work, don't understand them and are too stubborn to try to modify an old system to fine tune it and make it work. A very closed minded way of thinking, I feel very bad for you.
@marcoivogiuliani
@marcoivogiuliani 3 года назад
@@emistryracingllc2400 I have a 62 Galaxie with a 5.0 and T5 setup on dedicated propane fuel. I have this same turbo kit that I want to try down the road on my car. Since the propane kit and turbo kit are both sized for a 350. I'm thinking there should be plenty fuel and psi to the stock 5.0.
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