One thing I'd like to mention, in the final Boss theme (specifically the 3rd phase) there's a guitar solo, and in the OST there is still a guitar solo except for some reason, the guitar solo heard in the OST is different to the one heard in-game
@@DukesFinalBoss Nah 06 is really only missing Polish, like a rough draft of an Essay you worked on for a Week. Forces is polished but lacks substance, like an Essay you scrambled to do the Day before the Due Date but spent time proof reading and grammar correcting.
@@Terminal_Apotos another way to put it is that Forces is like an outline for an essay that didn't actually get written and on that note, I guess Frontiers would be an essay where the last paragraph got written at 11:58 on the night it was due lol
To me Sonic Forces is just a okay game. I can tell that Sonic Team were afraid to release this game because they knew it was incomplete but Sega still didn't let up on the release year at all and it's also even more sad that the engine was developed for 3 years while the game itself was developed in 1 year so they pretty much had no choice. If the game was given another year I think it could have been a decent game.
10:26 I actually took that screenshot way back in 2019. The reason it's in Crisis City is since I was working on a mod that ported that stage over to Forces at the time. Also, there's something I really want to document at some point in the future: all of the differences between the PC/PS4/Xbox One and Switch versions, as the Switch actually has many more differences besides the stages having lower polygonal counts/texture quality. Unfortunately I'm always busy with random stuff so that's been on the back-burner for a long time.
This has to be your best video yet. Even though Sonic Forces doesn't have enough Beta builds or cut content like previous games you covered, the formatting of the video is great. Also I can't stress enough how amazing the level transitions for the chapters are!
A couple of things I'd like to say. 1. I heard once that Sky Sanctuary was going to be in this game, something that's backed up by it being the only Speed Battle stage that's not in Forces 2. The instrumental version of Fist Bump does go used as Modern Super Sonic's theme.
It does go used, although the instrumental SXSW version I put in the video sounds different at the beginning, it was dumb of me to put the part that sounds IDENTICAL to the final '^^
Sky sanctuary actually isn't the only stage in speed battle that isn't in forces, but the other two stages are basically promotional stages for sonic 2 (emerald city) and sonic colors ultimate (planet wisp)
It’s a good thing we didn’t get Sky Sanctuary in this game, though they could’ve just given us an old stage we don’t have yet if they really cared about nostalgia that much.
29:38 finally, somebody brings this up in a mire convinient format for more people to watch. Its something I wish more people knew about. It shows that sega/sonic team know when they have a bad product they have to release, judt look at how different frontiers marketing and interviews were...excluding the rocky IGN start
Amazing vid! Also, did you know that Infinite’s giant illusion is believed to originally be planned to be chaos, as if you phase through the body you can see a strange water-like texture!
11:19 this might imply that the death animation was just a "high height" fall animation when he comes in contact with the ground and the old death animation was (speculation alert) similar to the classic sonic one.
I'm just speculating here, but the "VR Demo" doesn't necessarily mean that they were looking into implementing VR, it more relates to the plot of thr game somewhat involving VR
It's also believed that the Sunset Heights layout that plays itself was gonna be used for this "VR" Demo, since it uses a "v" letter in its name which is not used in any other layout, used or unused
20:05 Could totally be wrong, but it kinda looks like Babylon Garden is floating above the base. I checked the OG CG screenshot from Riders, there's definitely a bit of difference around the bottom of it. But asides from that, it looks weirdly similar. Regarding the story - it's just awful. Though honestly I can't say most 2010 games were any better. Or any really... except Mania. The story/writing for Generations is so-so, though certainly not super. But that might just be me, sorry if it's a hot take. 🤷♀
I really hope we eventually get literally any development material on the VR mode, that shit sounds insane Those images at 20:38 look like they're testing HDRIs, which are like the skyboxes of 3DCG work but they emit lighting and effect how models look. Which means the skyboxes in Forces might actually just be HDRIs, with the only added light sources being literal artificial lights in each environment like the neon signs and the streetlights.
One day, probably. Just not soon. The game has been released very recently so there's still a lot of stuff to be found (cut content and oddities in general), especially when the game is about to receive more updates and basically a completely different story, and in the update files there will probably be many leftovers and unused content to explore so yeah
Forces might be my least favourite game ever but this was very interesting to watch. The early scripts seemed interesting but I have no idea if they would be actually better than what we got.
Looking at the early script for Forces and the much more nightmare fuel/Epic Mickey looking concept art makes me wonder just how much censorship the game had to go through with Sega Of America since we know from Izuka in the Forces OST that it was the overseas staff who did not wanted vocal themes in sonic games, this is why Generations and Lost World did not have vocal themes, much to the dismay of Izuka who attended fan concerts were Jun and Johnny would perform as Crush 40. If the western offices had this much control to decide that it makes me wonder, were they afraid people (specially millennials sonic fans aka: classic sonic fans and the gaming media)would not take a story like the original version of Sonic Wars seriously and would treat as "another Sonic 06"? Considering how much zoomer Sonic fans want more darker stories instead of the pop style of early 2010's sonic or Classic it makes it so frustrating that what we got was a gutted version of a war story just because "Sonic is a silly franchise, you can't take it seriously and Sonic dark stories don't work" If that's the case then it would have explained why Forces feels so watered down it feels like Avengers Age of Ultron, it also explains Frontiers story, Webber has been in charge of the PR for New Genesis PSO2 since 2020 leaving the Sonic brand which makes me wonder how much feedback he would have given to Sonic Team to remove stuff like The Ancients or Sage if he was still involved with Sonic (Ian didn't create them btw) I can imagine him saying "Why are the ancients relatives of Chaos?" "Ew don't give Eggman a daughter that's gross" "This is so melodramatic, where is the fun Sonic vibe" given he is a fan of Classic Sonic era (he was the guy who introduced Taxman to Izuka which Izuka was the man who gave the name to Mania after seeing Taxman's demo) I can see his perception on Sonic being way more limited to what he knew as a child and early teen.
If Sega would have butt out and given Sonic Team an actual budget and time to really put something together, imagine what we could've gotten. They have just recently began to learn this lesson.
Even if the early script seems to make more sense, i don't see any reason to bring back Mephiles since at the end of 06 they made nothing of that happened, Mephiles never existed and no one should know or remember him
you missed arguably the largest bits of unused content which were my findings on a crabmeat enemy mentioned in a test stage as well as the earliest development layout of Sunset Heights
I do mention the crabmeat enemy - 7:05 The "earliest development layout of Sunset Heights" I probably missed, but with a video this large it's normal to miss a few things :)
Hearing all this just makes Forces even more infuriating to me. The earlier plot sounds like it would’ve been way more interesting than what we actually got
Very interesting. Idk what happened they had 4 years. Maybe not spend 3 of them developing an engine lol? Anyways this game is medicore but is kinda a guilty pleasure just bc of how brain dead it is. Collecting everything is mindless busywork when i want to relax and shut off my brain i love playing this game, the levels are so easy and luminous forest in particular is just like a power trip when im feeling lazy. Plow through everything in a straight line lmao. There is some speedrunning potential here and it is quite fun. Not a good game, but a game i like, but also i wouldnt put it anywhere near top tier of sonic games. Love these videos and behind the scenes stuff. Right in my wheelhouse
Heyheyheyheywhoawhoawhoawhoa, hold up, why does the original scripts actually sound good and genuinely entertaining? They referenced Seaside Hill? Cocoa Island?! Infinite existed as a soulless machine rather than a butthurt psychopath? The banter was fun too! This actually sounds good, I wish we'd seen this! Anyhoo, I'd never seen any of this stuff before so I've learned a lot today. Swaggy vid my man!
They literally just copied and pasted the premise of SATAM sonic and made it 100x crappier which seriously pisses me off , they didn't even have any one from the freedom fighters in it...I would rather play sonic 06 than this game at least the story in that game MADE SENSE. The character creator was awesome though.
Those Aaron Webber notes have to be fake, most of the criticism there is vague, non-constructive, and sounds like it came from a whiny Sonic fan. It'd be very unprofessional.
