8:47 I had no idea Espio was even singing, let alone that he was trying this hard🤣 I always thought he was just stoically going along with his bros' shenanigans, but this makes it SO much better
The main themes being gibberish is actually a common thing in musical production, just to get a feel for the rhythm before you actually write lyrics. That would make this sonic heroes rendition a VERY early one
Yep Audio is also one of the last things Developers worry about during game development. So stuff like this was Used to give Developers some placeholder music so they can plan for stuff like Cutscene music music cues etc.
As the self-proclaimed #1 Sonic Heroes fan and the creator of the Sonic Heroes Iceberg Chart, I thank you for your services. There were things here that not even I knew about, despite researching Sonic Heroes for over 2 years now. From the Purple and Blue Unidus Variants, to the Christmas Level, to the Swing Pole Object, to the Egg Hermit Crab and Egg Sea Anemone, to finally knowing what Green Thunder and the Prototype Alligator look like. Sonic Heroes really is the gift that keeps on giving.
I think I used your chart for a lot of the trivia, but I didn't know you were the one who made it (I used an "iceberg website" specifically, which doesn't have any credits I don't think), so thank you! :)
@@Cifesk Well I'm honoured that my Iceberg Chart was able to help you find info. It's funny; my Iceberg Chart helped you find info for your video, and now I'm using your video to update my Iceberg Chart. I also added this video as an Explainer Video on my Iceberg Chart.
I'm pretty sure the "unused" texture for the Last Story in the story select is just the texture that appears when you try to select the last story without having all emeralds.
You are correct. That grayed out Neo Metal Sonic texture/render appears in game if you select the Last Story without having all seven of the Chaos Emeralds.
the invisible line is for metal overlord when he uses chaos control to disappar. This is a different use from the time stop he would use. This is a rare move you often beat him before seeing him use it
I have no idea why doilus has gotten so stuck into our heads. It was a quick, one-off joke, yet here we all are. I have permanently associated these two words together.
in the game Shadow the Hedgehog if you wait around 8 minutes in the final boss,Eggman reveals that Shadow is not other than the SA2 Shadow. One of Eggman's robot saved him from dying. He just copied him and made several robots-clones after hence why he was in a capsule in the opening of Heroes.
As someone who loves the character interactions in the game, it's quite a shame that some voice lines and concepts ended up being scrapped. This game deserves a remake.
1:10:31 this is actually the same as the final game, Jun’ichi speaks English here and the subtitles are reflecting that. The spacing is due to the font being Full Width for the Japanese.
1:50:25 I’m surprised some people don’t know, but yes the Shadow from Heroes onward is the same Shadow from SA2. It’s explained after spending 9 MINUTES in the final boss battle of Shadow the Hedgehog so I could see how some could miss this information.
@@chillg4mer watch this video. It’s the dialogue where Eggman explains that he is the same Shadow from Sonic Adventure 2. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O2CmPf6Cr_c.htmlsi=1F4ZSBAbzE5Fzquw
@@chillg4mer Eggman tells him over the radio during the fight that one of his robots saved him and that he’s the original. The Shadow Androids are based off of the real Shadow.
33:40 What I can theorize is that they originally wanted the zones to be more similar too each other (Like potentially having the same name with act numbers: Seaside Hill Act 1 & 2), before deciding to give the two levels more distinct identities. Sea Gate is clearly based on Seaside Hill from the way it sounds.
1:11:48 actually this line is present in the Final GC version I’m not sure about the others but definitely not in PC. It is said right after the team enters the tunnel train section in Bullet station.😅🤓
It's so odd to me that the PS2 version has lower resolution textures while the GameCube version has the Xbox's high resolution textures. Also they all have different water with the GameCube water looking more pleasing while the Xbox water looks similar but technically more advanced looking due to the Xbox's extra horse power and relatively insane combined memory.
Sonic Heroes is one of my favorite 3D Sonic games and the Chaos Emerald Special Stage music is my jam. Absolutely loved this! I really liked that early version of Lost Jungle, I wish that was left in. And that glitch to gain more height while in the Fly formation was my favorite, I discovered it on my own and used it when I could lol
I like how in the early gamepay, when knuckles jumps it is a combination of all 3 of them in a singular big ball, instead of seperated like in the final. Also the animations are different and ot seemed knuckles fist was going to be a projectile. Super neat! I really wish they kept the voice lines as they add a lot of character and would make the jouney more fun and engaging to the player. I really like the check-point pickup lines as they leave a lot of room open for imagination -- like Sonic got kidnapped but defeated the robot and found a different route to the checkpoint. Hopefully someone mods these unique differences in!
Sonic Pocket Adventure came out on the NeoGeo Pocket Color in 1999. Sonic Heroes was the first mainline Sonic game to be developed with non-Sega consoles in mind from the start. SA2B is an updated port, and Sonic Advance isn’t a mainline game
I never pray sonic heroes, but I heard about it and it’s pretty good but it’s kind of is between what we could’ve got for sonic adventure three but I don’t think it’s the sonic adventure three LS white Sega would actually make sonic adventure three with high-quality graphics and stuff which is probably what they’re planning on doing it some fix point
Watching this and seeing at the start that one of the games you did before and are planning on redoing is 06, and uhh... There's a LOTTT of unused stuff that's not documented online and stuff, I feel like. Me and other 06 modders have been sorta hacking away at trying to get things all figured out, so whenever you get around to do that, feel free to reach other, I guess lol Anyway, I LOVVVEEEE cut content stuff, so this is a treat and a half
Hey, I've seen you interact with me on Twitter a few times. Can you DM me so we can talk more about it? I'd love if you could show me this unused content not documented online :) (I tried to send you a DM but it says I need some sort of verification from you)
Shame we never got that Xmas level. Thank you for making such an informative video! I especially love when you say "for some fcking reason" about things that really make no sense. XD
Come to think of it, that's two (AFAIK) Christmas levels in Sonic that didn't make it. This and the winter palette swap of Sand Shower in Sonic 2, funny isn't it
I for 1 hope this isn't "definitive" lol. I want to know any bit more that can be found like that guy who couldn't download everythin since the place he got it from closed off before that. I love that u added that stuff Windii found especially the stuff where the animators literally jus put a middle finger to the ppl who they were hired to do a certain job for & chose to arbitrarily choose wut they wouldn't put in cus "they didn't get it". U were asked to do somethin u're bein paid for so jus do it, u shouldn't jus be able to go "nah imma do my own thing" jus cus animatin A WINK didn't make sense to u. ONE SMALL GESTURE U COULDN'T DO, REALLY!? Movin on tho this was really cool to C all the little missin bits & funny stuff even as soon as a few days back. Seein this updated version was great & I'm excited for the others that shall get this treatment
There’s so few detailed documentation on Sonic Heroes and its cut content and development builds. Glad to see such scattered information finally receive the attention it deserves.
thank you for another great video!! especially appreciate you pointing out the part about rouge’s wink and maekawa’s tweet about it. it’s something that really disappointed me when i first learned about it, so i hope more people can imagine that part actually playing out in the cutscene… also man i will never get over how we almost got a christmas-themed level. to think what could have been… but if having it meant iizuka would’ve actually died from overwork then i’m glad it was scrapped 😭
There’s a question that I haven’t asked before…how did you managed to play sonic heroes game cube version on widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio? Cause I’m stuck on 4:3 instead
Actually the early main theme wasn't really gibberish anyway, it just hard to know what they say. Apparently there a guy who did hearing out the entire lyrics, so here it is: I never wanted you to find Born in love to all too light La to La to leave in love And let the world, Oh get the light! Never where I been in a while All the way you open wide That I I live so long So live so long Don't live a lie! Found it, Badum Baba dum Found it, Ba daa ba daa Found it, Ba dum dum da dum Ooooh oh oh ohhhh! SONIC HEROES! SONIC HEROES! I WILL BE LOVIN THIS SOOOONG TONIGHT! Credit to DIVELOSTMIND (RU-vid channel)
Question. For the Xbox version, on the performance section, did you play it on an OG Xbox, or on an Xbox 360? Because the game runs way better on the OG Xbox, and a lot of the frame rate, slow-down, and buggy issues arise from the emulation when playing it backwards compatably on 360.
I'm only 20 minutes in and loving this so far. I was 10 when this game came out, and even being a huge Sonic fan by that point (Played through the MegaDrive and Dreamcast games), this game was the first time I truly began to feel awkward as a sonic fan. Yeah, some of the Dreamcast dialogue was a bit weird, BUT THIS. The constant talking and stupid writing choices ("Look at all those Eggman's robots") felt cringe-inducing and it was the first of many times I actually felt embarrassed playing Sonic games in front of family or friends. I love the Sonic games, but this game was the first time that it was obviously aimed for kids and that I was growing up. I remember the first time playing this though. My parents had divorced and I spent weekends with my dad. He rented the game from Blockbuster that weekend for me. I spent the whole weekend playing it. By Sunday evening, I burst into tears, realising I'd wasted the entire weekend when I was meant to be spending it with my dad. He passed away March of 2022. He was the reason why I became and still am a Sonic fan to this day.
4:47 is that really unused? I recall seeing this "powered down" version of Neo Metal Sonic in place of the "powered up" version on the story select screen in the Gamecube and PC versions when I beat all four teams but failed to collect all Emeralds.
originally, i wrote a little comment about how glad I was that such a video had appeared, but its not enough i guess, so I want to write a little more. because when i was a kid this was my first game on pc. And after a while I couldn't believe that this game was so empty and had no hidden content or if someone finds something intersting it was a pretty poor quality, but ur vid changed everything and i finally got what I always wanted to see, thanks a lot!!
1:44:09 Wait, this was the most well known one? I thought it was the first two or three you mentioned earlier that were the most famous. I never see anyone talk about this glitch in comparison, tbh. I completely forgot it even existed, lol.
Woaaah I remember fantasizing about a debug mode that let you place objects when I was a little kid, just like the classic games’ debug mode. This does make me feel a bit funny now… Great job on the video! One of my favorite games and it forever will be!
I know at least the demo version of Sonic Heroes main theme was at least made officially available by Sega since they included it in production version of the intro video in Sonic Mega Collection [Plus].
1:27:19 Some animations are half finish and/or are edited otherwise. Sonic high five Tails with his two hands than the final and when freezing looks off. Tails high five with his 2 hands than the final and his animation finish way earlier than others. Knuckles stay the same. Shadow stay the same but stiffer and looking at you instead of looking off the camera. Rouge stay the same but stiffer at the end of her animation. Espio fist bump Charmy instead of ignoring him before posing. Vector stay the same but stiffer with late left arm animations at the end. Charmy is fist bump Espio instead of simply showing himself. Amy stay the same but peace way earlier than final. Cream stay the same but lightly stiffer. Big is using his umbrella to land on the stage instead of dropping out of nowhere. Cheese stay the same but a bit faster than final.
I remember watching the prototype version of the Sonic Heroes Opening and the prototype version of Team Dark's intro cutscene from Sonic Mega Collection Plus. I also remember being confused and laughed at the gibberish in the background @18:59.
1:18:58 I Was still in my mother's creation process, then I was born 3 months later, this game is as old as me... almost 21 years old, it's hard to believe! XD
Presumably one of the reasons that the sound mixing is so weird on the PC version is that it's set up for positional audio. When you have 3D audio on it sounds much better, though you have to do some messing around to get it working on modern Windows (the old sound APIs used for things like EAX got deprecated)
1:33:42 This scene makes sense in hindsight and after some thought, but in 2003 I can certainly see how hard this is to understand. Cultural barriers are bigger than language barriers. Winks carry completely different connotations in Japan than western countries. Source: i live in Japan.
These videos are so good. They’ve been very entertaining to listen to while I grind the Chao garden for 180 emblems. I hope you keeping making them, man.
Man this video's great, all the way through. Your content and editing style are really inspiring. ^^ I kind of wish we could've gotten more aquatic themed stuff in the game, cause that concept art for Final Fortress (at 1:31:21) is so cool.
