Sovereign Class Starships 

The Borg Cube barely touched the Sovereign. It's weapons was like a gentle breeze against its shields.

Sovereign was easily the sexiest of ALL Enterprise variants bar none ...definitely never get sick of looking at that beauty

You put the crew with the most experience fighting the borg in one of the most advanced ships Starfleet has ever designed, and that cube never had a chance.

They knew they had the benefit of plot armor.

My favorite ship design of all time

YES. She’s drop-dead gorgeous and I wish we could see more of her. I was sad we didn’t see one or two Sovereign classes during the Dominion War in DS9 after FC came out

Meanwhile us Odyssey class fans who get less than an episode of screentime before decommission

Same

I don't think a starship in the Star Trek universe will ever has such beautiful lines.

So did Worf, more so then the Enterprise D. To bad he somehow managed to destroy the Enterprise E

Me too. Ever since watching First Contact as a kid I was in love lol

Sadly the producers didn’t trust audiences not to get confused about whether it was the Enterprise… they only allowed other Galaxy-classes to appear on DS9 after TNG ended for similar reasons. But that didn’t apply going the other way - Defiants show up in Voyager and there’s an Intrepid in DS9. They only cared about the “flagship” series (no irony intended, but that is how they’re called!)

I think it works out better to not see Sovereigns in the big fights. The Sovereign is Starfleet's expensive, rapid response ship. They would be zipping around preventing incursions and rescuing attacked outposts, it wouldn't make sense to throw them into the meat grinder that was the frontline during most of the Dominion War. That being said, I do wish we had hear about a Sovereign routing an attempted attack or two, even in passing.

The Akira class did appear in Voyager's Message in a Bottle episode.

Perhaps their construction takes *so* long that, by the time significant numbers of Sovereigns were ready for service, the Dominion War had ended?

@@vic5015 That would make no sense, considering how many Galaxy-Class starships have been showing up in battle, along with how they always have plenty of ship classes that have been around since Kirk's era.

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How can you be so mistaken, the Intrepid is obviously on top.

@@crashmatrix Ha! I beg to differ. You obviously need your vision checked. I will send Dr. Crusher over to see you ASAP. :P

@@Malkiore1 Dr. Crusher is not available as she is in one of the rec. rooms with Cmdr. Troy(i mean Riker.....or is it Troy-Riker) helping each other in their kegel exercises.

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If not the most, at least one of the most beautiful designs.

Sovereign, Akira, Intrepid, Prometheus, and Galaxy are my favorite Starfleet ships (yes I know many people don’t like Prometheus bc it’s OP and kinda silly lol), but Sovereign is definitely at the top of that list

Sounds like an interesting writing challenge. I could totally see the Federation basically not noticing Chakotay's Maquis cell for a year longer than the original timeline. Instead of Tuvok being the chose double agent, you could have Lt. Hawk going undercover; they're the same rank, and it'd give a chance to make Hawk more of...well, more of a character than he was in First Contact, lol. Imagine how hard Chakotay and crew would brick it when they realize they're face-to-face with the god damned ENTERPRISE. Plus, it'd be neat to see the Enterprise crew handle the Delta Quadrant weirdness. Maybe even have Voyager be the one that takes on what all happens in First Contact.

@@Hagunemnon E-E might be too large and too advanced for the long-distance adventure in that IF it got damaged it will be harder to find big enough dock or spare parts. Of course being as well-armed and speedy as it is it will have a much lower chance of being damaged in the first place

Just imagine how Picard would have taken on the Borg if they were the ones in the delta quadrant. How would his trauma influence his decision making when they first encounter species 8472 ripping Borg cubes to shreds

@@songyani3992 There's also the vital question of whether the Sovereign came equipped with onboard production facilities for nearly infinite numbers of torpedoes and shuttles the way the Voyager was. :)

@@richmcgee434 those were called replikators,and they are pretty standard on most ships,so good chances the enterprise had some. imagine the cargospace they would need for all the earl grey supplies,if not.

I was wondering about that - I had thought it bumped up to the type twelves... That plus all the torpedo tubes made this ship a one vessel armada!

Agreed. Given that we're marking time until game play can resume, I can't think of many better ways to do it.

@@markfergerson2145 I have no doubt about that, even if there isn't a part 2, as I have been a fan of Certified Ingame's channel (and his humor) for ~ 3 years now! It' gives this old man a chance to see games, where I love them, but I no longer play them (some friends at my age do, but I don't see how they make the time for it)....

@@carnifexor3010 I don't play either despite being retired and having plenty of time. For me watching playthroughs executed and narrated by CI lets me enjoy a side of Trek I never would access otherwise. It's his narration and exploration of lore and how it compares with canon that I enjoy mostly. Hence my willingness to watch these "placeholder" videos. IMO they're better than serious dedicated similar videos by many other RU-vidrs.

@@markfergerson2145 I'm in the same boat, retired for medical reasons shortly before 37, now 43!. I couldn't agree with you more about the channel. It allows me to stave off bordom, and I do enjoy the funny of CertifiedIG. I very much will continue staying tuned and watching this space.

Enterprise-G is the most powerful 8n the fleet. Check the bridage commander mods. Balance everything the ship is extremely realiable. I was able to do about four or five patrols before I was completely destroyed by a Cardassian fleet of 5 ships

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It has at least twice.

Don't forget it would only hold that many people for a short time, until they reached the nearest Starbase, or even a class M planet where they could unload until other ships came to take the people.

hence why star trek vessels have the navigational deflector.

@@SymbioteMullet still, a sleaker profile makes a smaller target, think the B-2 stealth bomber.

If you haven't read them, take a look at EE "Doc' Smith's Lensmen books. Their science is...questionable at this point (they were written starting in 1948) but their FTL system is based on a gadget that makes their ships inertialess, so the limit on your speed is based solely on applied thrust compared to the resistance of the medium you're moving through - no fiddly relativity or lightspeed limitations involved, and cruising speeds are in light years per day. The more streamlined a ship is the faster it can be, so most ships evolve from spheres to cigars to teardrops over time, and the density of interstellar hydrogen is a real limit on strategic speeds. The galactic cores are a slow zone compared to the spiral arms, the space between them is even faster, and most ships making long trips find it faster to climb/dive out of the galactic plane, fly to just above/below their destination, and drop/climb back in. Intergalactic travel is found to be much faster than initially predicted thanks to the scarcity of matter out there. The "inertialess" thing also means that the moment you turn your thrusters off you come to an immediate halt the moment you bump into your first "inert" molecule of hydrogen, and until later in the series ships have to kill their Bergenholms to actually fight because the pressure of the photons from their beam weapons will just push a "free" (inertialess) ship harmlessly away from the attack at near-lightspeed. Like I said, the science is ludicrous in retrospect, but he's at least fairly consistent about how it works and it does make for some rocking space opera battles.

@@richmcgee434 "Their science is...questionable at this point" ... and it will always be science fiction.

@@aikiwolfie Truth. At least Smith was trying, he had a pretty solid education and a degree as a chemical engineer. He science was flawed, but it wasn't just handwaved away like, say, Star Wars does.

Lol, the Defiant vs. the Sovereign wouldn’t be much of a fight. All due respect to the Defiant class, cause it’s a badass starship, it just wouldn’t be able to keep up with the best of the best of Federation tech. The Sovereign is in a league of its own. It’s the flagship for a reason.

He said originally the armament was 14 type 10. Obviously after domion war / refits they were likely upgraded just like all star fleet ships like the dominion era galaxy’s having even more phasers and extra torpedo launchers compared to the original galaxy

The sovereign: The Crowning Jewel of Starfleet, the Akira, starfleet's torpedo launcher on impulse engine, and the Luna: their finest science vessel since Voyager.

There's also the question of how many Defiants you can afford to build and crew compared to a single Sovereign. Crew casualties and ship losses among Defiants are likely to be much higher than a among Sovereigns, but those little gunboats can be many places at once while the multirole super-cruiser (fast as it is) would struggle to cover multiple hotspots. There's sound reasons to build both types of ships in a balanced fleet.

@@richmcgee434 Agreed, and image a formation of one Sovereign and 5 Defiants. I would auto-surrender against that.

@@Omniroc The return of the Battlegroup concept from WWII.

The Defiant has incredible firepower, but the type 12 phasers of the Sovereign, coupled with a vastly larger energy reserve and shields that make the Defiants defenses look paltry... Not to mention the Sovereign could absolutely dictate the terms of engagement with its absurd warp speed.

More like a 1945 captain put in charge of ship launched in the 2010s. He knows about radar, AA and rockets but they're all far more capable. You're acting like Batesman, wouldn't know what warp, phasers and Federation policy are. There are still Miranda class ships in service when he returns to starfleet.

That probably wouldn't have ended well for the Defiant. Most likely and preferably the Sovereign would have knocked out it's engines and weapons in just a few hits. We're talking one big beast of a ship vs a tough little ship. The beast wins every time.

That would have forced the Defiant to sneak by under cloak since trying to fight would have been suicide.

I liked Voyager but I do feel its the weakest of the TNG era shows, DS9 is the best of that era for me with TNG just below. They're all good shows. I personally have no time for ToS Trek, though I enjoy the movies with the ToS cast.

@@bipolarminddroppings I understand your sentiment, and honestly there is a lot of TOS you can easily skip. But for sure, the better episode's in TOS slid quite comfortably along the best ones of TNG & DS9. I was honestly surprised by how much I enjoyed quite a number of the TOS episodes.

@@bipolarminddroppings idk I feel tos is just so old that my science appeal is just non existent. But I love TNG for the drama that comes from Patrick Stuart

replace "has" with "is" :p

@@SymbioteMullet nope. That's the U.S.S. Titan

It's called a holodeck. They've been around for quite a while now, and most ships have them. :)

In fairness to the Defiant, they were pulling there punches against the Lakota as they didn’t want to kill fellow starfleet officers. They fought for a while before Sisko gave Worf the go ahead to outright disable them.

Yep! The Defiants pack similar power with less resilience, but denser, so there’d be a bunch more Defiants for the same materials and crew. By crew it’s more like 10-20 Defiants, but the material cost of the big warp core to feed those weapons (and all the relays it blows out all the time) definitely eats-into that advantage outside of times they’re at war.

@@rufinator In fairness to the Lakota so was she. It was the order to stop pulling punches that had her captain (with a remarkable likeness to one Leah Brahms) stand down. The Defiant is great and had a great crew, but it was a hero ship in a war show. If the TNG crew was still on the air they would have been taking on just the same in their "weak" Galaxy class, let alone Sovereign. Defiants as a ship class aren't taking out dozens of Jem H'adar fighters each like the USS Defiant did. They aren't magically better at combat than other ships. An upgraded Excelsior should be able to hold their own against a single Defiant, it's just that much larger. The Defiant's advantage is the smaller crew needs and resources needed to build them to field more ships overall while being so upgunned it can hang with larger ships in straight combat. Though they really needed to have a couple eps hang on the fact a mission failed or someone died because it couldn't have the sensors/science labs to really do the main job of Starfleet. Same problem Voyager handwaved in an even more dire situation.

@@kaitlyn__L The hidden costs of crewing your ships is pretty important, and often overlooked. Those Defiants have tiny and relatively specialized crews compared to a Sovereign, but their smaller size and (tough as they are) greater vulnerability is going to lead to more casualties and outright ship losses. When a Sovereign does go down in flames the loss will be staggering, but as a multirole ship they should see less combat than the focused Defiant designs, and therefore a bit less risk - not that exploration is exactly safe in this universe.

@@richmcgee434 So less Sovereigns die, because the Defiants do all the real fighting? So they are kinda like the Security officers on a Fleet Scale.