Spektrum Quick Hit Tech Tip - How to setup Thrust Reversing on Avian ESCs and BNF Aircraft

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In this video, Tom explains to our fellow RC Enthusiasts how to use the Avian Prog menu to enable Motor / Thrust Reversing. This feature is preloaded into all current Avian ESCs and is even included with some E-Flite Bind and Fly models. If you are having trouble following along with the manual, this is the video for you!
Required devices to perform Thrust Reverse
- A Spektrum Smart capable receiver - All current receiver models support Smart telemetry. A simple indicators that this function is available is the Spektrum Smart Logo is on the label.
- A Spektrum Smart capable Spektrum computer transmitter - If it is a G2/G3 DX with a screen, or a NX or iX, you have this functionality.
- A Spektrum Smart Avian esc - Either included with a BNF or PNP model or purchased open stock.
---------- Important Notes ------------
This is an advanced function, and likewise, should only be used by experienced pilots and Spektrum users. This video tutorial will help with the setup and hopefully answer any questions you might have, but it is not a replacement for inexperience. It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that you understand which channel you select for Thrust Rev and to make sure that the switch and or channel you use is NOT used by another function. Such as control surfaces, flaps, retracts, SAFE or AS3X modes, gain adjustment channel, etc.
TEST THRUST REVERSE ON THE GROUND AND WITHOUT A PROPELLER FIRST! To confirm that thrust reverse is not going to cause any surprises while in flight, check thrust reversing while observing the models other functions, modes and controls.
These same steps are synonymous with Spektrum DX Gen 2 and Gen 3 transmitters and NX transmitters. The menu structure may be slightly different but the options and steps are the same.
For the best user experience, make sure that your Transmitter, ESC and Receiver is up to date. If you are experiencing any problems during setup, this is the first thing to check. Look for our links below to learn how to update each of these devices.
----------- IMPORTANT LINKS --------------
How to update Smart ESCs - • Avian Smart ESC Setup ...
Avian Prog Tutorial - • Avian Smart ESC Setup ...
How to update Receivers - • How to Update Spektrum...
How to update DX transmitters - • How to Register and Up...
How to update NX transmitters - • NX Instructional Serie...
How to update iX Transmitters - • Spektrum iX12 Instruct...
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@victyber 2 года назад

This video is better than earlier videos as there is no background music to distract Tom’s voice.

@FORDEVR 2 года назад

Couldn’t get into the avian program menu… other videos didn’t mention having the rates at 100% or safe off. thanks so much!

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Glad to help

@ralphfrasier2079 Год назад

Just purchased the Eflite Beech 18, and downloaded the model setup for the IX 20. (The Beech 18 model setup was not in the add new aircraft BNF menu selection. I had to down load it from the spektrum site to my radio via the SD card). My radio is up to date with the latest firmware update. BUT the Avain Prog selection is not available on my radio All control surfaces are working including flaps and gear. The manual refers to the ESC programmer only. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

@trainroomgary Год назад

Hi from the Flying Pilgrims RC Field in Michigan, I am flying the Cirrus SR22T with DX6e. Does this radio have Thrust Reversing?

@p.albert2755 9 месяцев назад

Has the Avian-ESC plugged in Channel 1 for programming or may I use any other receiver-channel?

@sbansie 11 месяцев назад

Hi, I had reverse setup on the Ultimate 3D BNF the same way you are demonstrating. But I changed the motor due to damage and attempted to calibrate the ESC, turns out I inadvertently changed the aircraft type to heli. I finally figured out how to get the esc back to fixed wing using the throttle stick. Now reverse doesnt work and I cant get the avian prog page on my NX8 anymore. Please let me know if threre is a way to reset eveything back to the BNF settings or how to get that avian prog page back on the transmitter. Tried everything, telemtry auto program, as3x, 100% rates even turned off safe completely still cant get that screen that allows selection of reverse. thanks

@marks7445 6 месяцев назад

How would you setup a throttle limit in reverse? Maybe something like 50% throttle in reverse. I think this could easily be done with throttle curves based on the reverse switch position but I use my throttle curves for other things. Any other way? Maybe with a mix but not sure how I would do that. On my DX8G2, I notice in the throttle curve menu that a combination of two switches can be used to select curves but one doesn't seem to be active. Is that not available with ACRO models?

@christhorney Год назад

i recently got an eflight t28 1.2m with the 70a avian esc, i put the plane on inav with gps return to home, and im wondering if there is a way to get reverse thrust to work

@BDTennessee 2 года назад

Good video Tom!

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Thank you!

@tughillrc6327 2 года назад

Very good video Tom🤠👍✔✨✨✨✨✨🎥🎬🗽

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Thank you!

@charleslinquist 6 месяцев назад

I bought a Turbo Timber Evo from a fellow flyer. I had no Spektrum equipment, and I wanted to increase the capabilities of the plane. The plane had reverse thrust with the original Spektrum radio. I removed the Spektrum receiver and replaced it with a CUBE Flight Controller and a different receiver. I am still using the original "Smart ESC" I cut the 3rd wire off the battery connector and replaced it with a (more standard) XT-90. The plane flies great but has no Reverse Thrust capability. I'm an EE. I understand PWM, etc. My question is - What signals do I have to feed to the "Smart ESC" in order to get the motor to reverse?

@hanamichizakuragi5021 2 года назад

Thanks well explained

@alexgonzales1855 5 месяцев назад

Is it possible to get reverse to work on 2 escs ? How do i get telemetry from 1 of the escs in my 2 esc setup.

@derjoh1986 11 месяцев назад

So you have to use a spektrum receiver along with the avian esc?

@martinwhite418 8 месяцев назад

This video saved me from buying a Spektrum equipped Horizon Hobby/ Eflite foamie. I can't reverse using my brand of revceiver. If I have to change the ESC, why would I pay for an ESC that I have to change in order to reverse?

@rcflyer68 2 года назад

Great explanation as far as it goes, however I have watched every video I can find on this programming, and no one addresses the issue of what channel to use if you are using Channel7/Aux 2 for your AS3X/Safe modes. On all of my E-flite models, I activate SAFE as a back-up and put it on Switch G for easy access during flight and commonality of all my models. Since I assign Aux 2 to Switch G, it is channel 7, so I cannot use that for the reversing. Am I correct that I could use channel 5 ( in the reversing menu ) and switch A as my reversing operation??, since the Turbo Timber Evolution does not need the gear switch. Thanks for any clarification you can provide.

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Yes you can change the channel for reverse from 7 to 5. In fact you can use channels 5-9. Hope that helps!

@zelassociatesinc.613 9 месяцев назад

Very helpful!

@matthew1464 3 месяца назад

Can you do this with non spektrum radios? Such as the radio master tx16s?

@RC-PROFIS Год назад

Hi Tom, I have some e-flight Jets with Spectrum ESC and Spektrum iX20 radio. Trust reverse works great at all. BUT for now I want the 90mm EDF VIPER fly with another radio make (CORE from Powerbox-Systems). DO YOU KNOW if it is possible to use the trust reverse feature also with another radio like Spektrum???

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

It is a feature that currently requires a Spektrum Transmitter and Receiver

@schalkvs Месяц назад

Can I use another brand radio like Jeti for reverse thrust?

@eusjanx 2 года назад

Would it be possible to put reverse switching on Throttle stick, like with 4D foamies? Middle is 0 output, and bottom low 100% reverse and up high 100% forward? Mixing with channel 7? Or will this be too much for the ESC?

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

In theory yes it will work, we have not tested it widely so have not made a direct recommendation on that YET ;)

@g.meyers1008 Год назад

Do you have to use Aux2. The reason I ask is most spectrum asx settings for gyro say to use gear Aux2. The manual in the ultimate biplane says Aux2 for asx then a few pages later in the manual it says Aux2 for motor reversing. I cannot use both for the same function. Thank you for putting this video online. The manual for my Ultimate biplane didn't have enough information to get the reverse working. Spectrum manuals suck and are lacking all information needed to complete the task. Happy Flying and thanks again for this great video.

@blackhawktim1259 Год назад

I have a question. A friend in my club help me set this up in my NX8 for my 80mm f16. I maiden it and almost lost it because I hit the switch thinking it was the retracts and I was trying to land. I didn't even need reverse thrust, because with flaps it landed just fine so how can I remove the reverse thrust?

@TheFlagInspector 29 дней назад

Need a video using a more standard remote like NX8 or NX10

@proudneanderthal1843 Год назад

I just purchased the NX8 and a Turbo Timber Evolution BNF. Does anyone have a download available ? I have had several friends at the field try to set this plane up. reversing is on the same switch as my safe and can't seem to change it. ?? Newbie problems😁😁

@matthew1464 Год назад

Can you do this on a non programmable transmitter like the dxs? The spektrum website gives download files to use on the Dxs for the pc programmer and it says that reverse thrust will go to switch A, how do I do that?

@___Aaron___ 11 месяцев назад

Switch a on a dxs is the panic button.. you dont want thrust reverse attached to the panic button.. haha

@terrywiggers5877 Год назад

I have a brand new Eflite F-16 with the Avian ESC and an up to date NX10. I have tried all the troubleshooting methods but have had no success getting it to enter the gimbal stick program mode. My ail/elev gimbal produces 99% and 101% instead of 100% when i push it down and left. There has got to be an less sensitive way to get to the programming of the thrust reversing!

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Make sure you are not in SAFE mode.

@patman6816 Год назад

I have T28 1.2m brand new and this worked for me! Problem is, when I reverse without stopping first, my prop come off??? I thought the brake force 7 stopped it first then reversed? If I stop first then it then reverses and prop stays on.

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Make sure your prop nut is very tight.

@deandallmann4464 Год назад

Maybe you can help me. The throttle, on my DX6E, is working on my elevator stick and my elevator is working on my throttle stick. How can I reverse that? I don't have my receiver yet so I can't switch wires.

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

You set the transmitter mode to Mode 1. Go into system settings and set the Mode to 2 and that should fix it. Hope that helps!

@leebee100 2 года назад

Great video. I fly mode 1, how do I enter the program mode. Is it the same stick movements ?

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Yes, it is

@slyne1000 2 года назад

How about a video on the setup of twin motors and setting up R and L prop thrust for steering on water.

@devisanmartin9639 6 месяцев назад

just follow the same instructions given but you'll have two steps one for right motor and other for left motor, save each time and the rest is the same.

@DronemanJoeRc 2 года назад

How hard is it on the engine when you do you the reverse thrust bc im thinking of doing this with f16 falcon bnf?

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Depends on the setup really... but on the E-flite F16 it works GREAT!

@DronemanJoeRc 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos ok good to know. and thanks

@davidgerlach1132 Год назад

4:22 why BRAKE FORCE 7? What does BREAK FORCE represent?

@Lino-zd4ft 2 года назад

Thank you for the video !! On my ix12 , the Avian esc menu is not showing it shows smart esc. This is with transmitter on esc powered up and bound , what am I missing ?

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Some of the early versions of the "avian prog" firmware had it labeled Smart ESC. The function works exactly the same BUT you may want to update since there have been a couple bug fixes. Hope that helps!

@Lino-zd4ft 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos update the ESC ? It's brand new , just got it , came with the Ultra Stick PNP .

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

@@Lino-zd4ft Are you swiping all the way to the last telemetry screen?

@Lino-zd4ft 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos yes

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

what receiver?

@k20z3allmotorFTW 2 года назад

Is it possible to reverse thrust with two avian esc for a twin fan edf jet?

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Not that is directly supported by Spektrum at this time, but we have seen some 3rd party hacks to make this happen. Check RCGroups forums :)

@Ahkeys82 Год назад

Hi. I’m trying to program this on my DXgen2. Isn’t safe programmed on Aux 2 already? My radio says channel 6 isn’t available, channel 5 and 8 are free. 7 is already Aux2 with safe. Thanks

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

What model and receiver?

@Ahkeys82 Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos it’s the Turbo Timber Evolution. I got it worked out. I moved the reverse to channel 8 so SAFE and reverse thrust wouldn’t be in the same channel. I thought it you couldn’t change that but found out you could. Thanks

@Ahkeys82 Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos Aux 3/channel 8 switch A

@FlightLogProductions Год назад

So you have a 6-channel receiver, but you used channel 7... Will this work with an AR631? I am purchasing a Viper 70mm EDF and wanting to have reverse thrust. Throttle, Reverse Thrust, Alerion, Rudder, Elevator, Flaps, Retracts, Safe Select = 8ch. But you just activated reverse thrust with a 6-ch receiver using channel 7 on the radio...

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

That is one of the perks of Smart! The ESC and Receiver can listen to up to channel 9 for things like flight modes, reverse, etc :)

@FlightLogProductions Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos That’s Awesome! 😎 So the AR 631 is all I need receiver wise, I assume I’d still need a 7-9 ch radio though? (Just picked up a DX9 for this reason!)

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

@@FlightLogProductions yup, should do the trick :)

@backyardscaler Год назад

Will this work the Spektrum DXS? The D switch is unused while flying my Habu SS… transmitter is updated just need the programming box?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Honestly I do not think the Habu SS ESC is able to do thrust reverse. Some of the "Smart Lite" esc do not have that function and I am 99% sure the 70 amp that comes in the Habu ss is one of them.

@backyardscaler Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos I’ve definitely seen a few videos of the Habu SS 70mm with reverse thrust , unmodified.. I know it will do it, but basically I just need to get the Nx6 transmitter. Thanks

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Really? well I will have to look into that then! If I find anything out I will let you know

@backyardscaler Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos ok thank you, I’ve been using the DXs for almost 2 years, I’d wouldn’t mind keeping it, it all works fine so basically I just need to figure out how to program reverse thrust for the D switch. Thanks

@FlightLogProductions Год назад

Is the reverse thrust speed determined by the throttle stick or by the brake force?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Throttle stick, brake force is how quickly it stops the motor before the transition.

@FlightLogProductions Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos is there a way to set “I” button, so when pushed it triggers reverse thrust at full speed?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

It can be done with a fairly simple Mix. I use set the reverse channel input as the I switch and then in mixing I set I > THR and increase the percentage to somewhere around 100%. That should get you most of the way there :) Hope that helps!

@highalpharc 2 месяца назад

Can't get step 2. Step 1 is ok but step 2 won't go. Yes I checked the monitor and everything is at 100

@ApexBizzySolutions Год назад

Can I hook up reverse thrust with my viper 70mm programmable esc and an Avian esc swap on my fms f18

@flyerelite5153 Год назад

Can I setup reverse thrust with an FRSKY tx?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

No, it is exclusive to Spektrum

@hondasarecool1 Год назад

I assume not possible on a silver DX8? I assume those are Gen1?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Correct

@tristanbradford99 Год назад

Can i reverse thrust with a DX6e?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Sure can! As long as you have a free channel 5 or 6 :)

@elijah7924 Год назад

Use a NX transmitter for demos

@mattrussell8915 9 месяцев назад

Thank you.

@memcrew1 Год назад

What is the reason for selecting brake7?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

Are you referencing brake type or brake strength?

@memcrew1 Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos ESC brake strength of 7 for reverse thrust. Why do I need to set it to 7?

@SpektrumRCvideos Год назад

The higher the number the more quickly and with more force the motor will brake and then start turning the other direction. 7 is a good place to start but it you feel like it stutters or has a long delay between reversing, try adjusting.

@memcrew1 Год назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos oh ok, thanks for the response.

@RykerRC 2 года назад

1. Rudder input is not required to go into esc programing (only need to move al/elv stick). 2. Brake Force is only used when Brake Type is Normal (so setting it to 7 with Brake Type Reverse does nothing)

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Good point! I do it this way to help make sure that throttle is all the way down and in case the user is running a different stick mode like mode 1/3/4 , but you are correct, only AILE/ELEV need to be held.

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Brake force set to 7 is what our vendor and PD teams determined is best to recommend. It does affect how hard the motor stops and goes the other way from my understanding.

@RykerRC 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos Avian manual “Brake Force is only effective in the “Normal brake” mode.” Also to my eyes and ears with trying it, it seems to be true (seems to have no effect). Perhaps something more scientific is needed to show brake force on the reverse setting does nothing.

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

@@RykerRC Hey someone that reads the manual! Thanks for pointing that out, we will get that corrected. It does indeed have an affect on how the prop stops. It is more apparent with heavier props and while in air.

@iotaprime2892 Год назад

Pretty sad you have to use the sticks to enter a menu on a touch-screen Tx.

@sacrificialrubber779 2 года назад

How about people who are using non Spektrum transmitters?

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

No smart for you! ;)

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

JK, it could be possible... but it is not something we are directly going to help our competitors provide. This function is part of our Smart technology eco system and is proprietary.

@sacrificialrubber779 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos no money from me!;)🤣

@sacrificialrubber779 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos I’m using a spektrum receiver and smart speed controller.(which I Just bought but am willing to return but don’t want to)

@misguided_missile Год назад

I don't thunk anything is impossible to get setup with an EdgeTX or OpenTX as long as you have a friend with a Spektrum radio or a ESC programmer (approx $30 in Nov 2022) to enable the reverse functionality. I'm still working on it but from my research even the various SAFE and AS3X nodes are possible.

@JeffinTD 2 года назад

Nice video, but I’m still running a gen 1 DX18 so I guess I’m out of luck.

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Sorry to hear that

@JeffinTD 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos As it turns out, our flying today the Avian programming menu was on the roller telemetry menu. Not sure why it didn’t come up before, but apparently a gen1 Dx18 (with latest firmware) can activate reverse.

@gregheckert1396 2 месяца назад

Screw all this, make a variable pitch prop for all the airplanes! 😂

@snoriverrc3842 2 года назад

Its kind of sad this isnt enabled by default

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

It was, but we found that those that did not understand the function and how it interacts with your transmitter setup could lead to thrust reverse accidently being used by another function. So in the end, the best thing to do is to make it a function that the end user has to turn on.

@snoriverrc3842 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos I dont understand why you guys made it so un-intuitive. Why not just set up a GUI 'enable thrust reverse' and then step by step it. Hopefully in a future TX update.

@miksterr 2 года назад

@@snoriverrc3842 Agree - funny for the iX12 & 20 owners have to do it like the owner of a dx6 :) The touchscreen not used as it should.

@snoriverrc3842 2 года назад

@@miksterr I dont understand why they would make the gimbals part of the process at all when they have both a touch screen and a scroll wheel...watching him go through that process set the rc world back 20 years...

@larryhawkes1347 2 года назад

But he said it was super simple in the video 🥵

@ralphfrasier2079 2 года назад

To be clear, this is a feature that can be used to brake a propeller aircraft after touch down? Udate: This popped up from HH: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y2W7LUoDsKk.html

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

Exactly

@ralphfrasier2079 2 года назад

@@SpektrumRCvideos Thank you guys!

@SpektrumRCvideos 2 года назад

----------- Important Notes ------------- This is an advanced function, and likewise, should only be used by experienced pilots and Spektrum users. This video tutorial will help with the setup and hopefully answer any questions you might have, but it is not a replacement for inexperience. It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that you understand which channel you select for Thrust Rev and to make sure that the switch and or channel you use is NOT used by another function. Such as control surfaces, flaps, retracts, SAFE or AS3X modes, gain adjustment channel, etc. TEST THRUST REVERSE ON THE GROUND AND WITHOUT A PROPELLER FIRST! To confirm that thrust reverse is not going to cause any surprises while in flight, check thrust reversing while observing the models other functions, modes and controls. These same steps are synonymous with Spektrum DX Gen 2 and Gen 3 transmitters and NX transmitters. The menu structure may be slightly different but the options and steps are the same. For the best user experience, make sure that your Transmitter, ESC and Receiver is up to date. If you are experiencing any problems during setup, this is the first thing to check. Look for our links below to learn how to update each of these devices.

@miguelometto4895 5 месяцев назад

I have the dx6e. Completely useless video

@mattrussell8915 9 месяцев назад

Sorry, this video is utterly useless for any customers using an NX transmitter. Viewers save your time.

@samdish 7 месяцев назад

I wish he went str8 to the point.

@charlesmyers9765 13 дней назад

Writing this comment before watching the video. The reversing feature is on aux2, so if i put aux2 on a empty switch i should be good? Ok watching video.