I'm not sure this would work since the new bash guard is mounted on the chainring itself. It's designed to act both as a chainguide and bash guard when you pedal and you can mount one on the other side of the chainring as well.
@@leifostrum9597it's made for descends, whe your cranks are in same position. You just put this bash guard on the chainring depending on which foot is in the front so that the bash guard will be on the bottom
brilliant... 1. introduce a new, more standardized derailleur hanger to finally eliminate the mess they were before 2. get as many manufacturers to play along as possible 3. now you've got thousands of frames prepared for your new drivetrain all around the world. A derailleur attaching directly to the frame would have been completely impossible before with what feels like every single frame having a different derailleur hanger and frame design around it. Now the market is becoming ready for such a radical change to derailleurs.
Looks awesome... But my favorite part of bicycles on our digital world, is how analog they are. I wish this had a cable shift option. I understand why it doesn't, though.
It will. They always start new tech on the high end. Santa Cruz hinted on their Instagram it'll trickle down this summer. I agree with you though... One of the things I love most about MTB is that I could escape the digital world and get off the grid for a few hours. No emails, text messages, smartphones, charges or Bluetooth, or in this case AXS. Plus I ride mostly DH so I value other components more than my drivetrain. I'd rather allocate my resources toward rims, suspension and trips to the bike park!
Couldn't agree more. I don't have a problem with electric shifting, but there is nothing wrong with cables. I don't like that sram/shimano are discontinuing mid to high end mechanical drivetrains. To me the difference is more of a substitute than an advancement, they both have their pros and cons. Its not like going from rim to disc brakes or cabled to hydraulic.
@@topspot4834This system can never have a cable actuating option. The cassette has ”changing lanes” and only the electronic derailleur knows when it can shift. This makes shifting slower but you can hammer it down while shifting.
Yes, but the derailleur is now more expensive than your frame, so it makes sense right? The frame is now the disposable item instead of the hanger. SRAM know the way forward (for maximum profitability)
The only thing that would improve it...........take out the electronics. There is no chance I'm not heading into the back country with spare derailleur batteries.
I hope SRAM read there comments, please, please make a gx cable version, I really want to keep using cable shifting. This looks amazing and had so many benefits. But I don't want battery's on my bike.
It will, and it wouldn't take comments for them to realize it. They have plenty of marketing data at their disposal. New tech almost always starts on the high end, and if it's as good as advertised, it'll trickle down. Santa Cruz said on Instagram it'll be this summer, so it's in the works.
The cycling industry is outpricing people who are struggling and can’t casually throw down “down payment on a car/house” type cash. I’m not about that no matter how cool and new the tech is.
Yes, in the expensive mtb segment, which competes with motorcycles and inexpensive cars at prices, there are a lot of "innovations": electronic transmissions, a lot of carbon fiber, incredible types of suspensions, extremely sophisticated forks and shock absorbers. The high end segment has changed a lot over the past 10 years. But what is there in the budget segment? Have any of the innovations in the production process and improvements gone down to cheaper segments? The only thing that comes to mind is the clutch in the cheap Deore rear derailleurs, that's where all the innovations ended. The inexpensive staff was dull 15 years ago, and it is the same now.
Oh cry me a river Pocahontas you can get another part time job and buy this stuff. We all know mommy got you a full suspension, that's why you're pissed
I bought the GX AXS for my MTB a year ago, hit a log and bent the derailleur cage. SRAM doesn't make the replacement parts I need for that 400$ derailleur. They just sold the inner cage and I needed the outer one too. I felt outraged and vowed never to buy SRAM stuff again. Glad it looks like the next gen makes this part replaceable so I don't lose all faith in them. Also glad they made the shifter more adjustable which is ridiculously not ergonomic on mine.
Explain to me what you do with an imperfect frame/rear triangle/play in bushings/ play in bearings/ wear to the carbon dropout from normal use, with derailleur alignment? buy a new bike? Take a new bike for one long ride and there is no longer the alignment that you started with. Has got to be the worst engineering disaster ever made in loosing an adjustable hanger. And because it is not backwards compatible...you are screwed.
That's cool and all but in case of an event, I'm pretty sure that the swappable derailleur parts will cost more than proprietary or UHD hangers. What if the part that attaches to the frame or the frame itself take damage because of forces applied to it? In good old days you probably just had a bent or snapped hanger to replace...
If your buying a $1,600 "transmission" I don't think you're gonna care about the cost of replacement parts. And if you do, don't buy AXS. To your point though, the bigger concern is the durability of the frame. I assume SRAM already did it, but I need to see long term testing on the actual frame, cause I don't understand how carbon wouldn't absorb a lot of the impact.
@@topspot4834 Frame will indeed absorb the impact, the hanger is a buffer between frame and delarieur. If i want durability, ignoring the weight( because less materials usually means less durability, just noting) Il stick with Shimano linkglide. Still a good job from SRAM.
@@topspot4834 I think that's a weak argument. Even if you spend 5k or more on a bike that's equipped with Eagle, you don't want to buy a new rear mech for $600 every season. Anyway, we will see how this works out ... if the groupset takes impacts without damage where you would typically bend the hanger and it only breaks in cases you'd smash the frame or derailleur on a conventional setup too, then it's probably not that much of a problem in real life.
Asking honestly, isn’t part of having a derailleur hanger to provide an emergency stress point? Meaning it’ll bend before your frame will? Thus saving your frame? Would this forgo that insurance and if something happens the frame has a greater chance of bending?
I think the UDH, which the transmission mount is based on, essentially mounts to your thru-axle (like it's still retained in the frame but gets more of its strength from the axle being screwed into it) so you'd have to crash hard enough to bend your thru-axle to actually sustain frame damage and at that point I'd imagine you'd just be happy to survive whatever hellish incident your bike just went through.
even older axs rd have like a "safety clip" when you hit somwthing it unclips and move inside and then just shifts back to normal position like 1sekond later
I can't imagine the frame bending at the thru axle. The frame would have to bend and deform the axle with it. That would take an insane amount of force.
I'm no engineer, but I'm not worried about the frame getting damaged having the axle/hub take the hit. If your frame does get damaged, as in broken stays, it probably would have gotten damaged anyways with a normal hanger. I'm more worried about the derailleur itself not withstanding the hit and having to replace that part more often than you should. We will have to see if it is actually more cost effective than just replacing a flimsy hanger. I doubt replacing the derailleur "chassis" is cheaper than a little hanger, so it HAS to last. Time will tell...
Heavier, slower, more expensive, could crack your frame, no replaceable aluminum cogs on the cluster. I've worn out two 42t cogs on my 1199 cassette and the steel teeth are still serviceable. With this poor design I'd be on my THIRD one.
I thought the point of having a hanger was that it breaks instead of damaging your frame... So if this indestructible rear mech has an impact, it'll crack the frame?..
I'd rather have a bent derailleur than a bent frame. Sorry, but your "durability" claims look like a massive oversight, especially considering how it can be literally impossible to get rear triangle parts. I'll stick with something that won't ruin my bike. Honestly, I'm not going to be surprised when bike manufacturers stop doing warranty claim fulfillments for people with this drivetrain because of how much more often rear suspension or even main pivots on the main frame are damage beyond repair.
Works great in a nice clean environment. How about actually ride it in real conditions.. Oh.. it sound's gritty and miss shifts like every other derailleur ever made.. Who would have thought !! oh ?!! And i have to think about battery life and pairing up with a crappy 'smart' phone too.. NO THANKS !!!
Has no adjustment tools, Better hope the bike frames drop out alignment is 100% spot, good luck with that. Now instead of a stick breaking your hanger, its going to break your whole frame.
I'm generally pretty hard to win over on new solutions to old things that weren't much of a problem, but that was a really effective advertisement. I read an article on this a few months ago, and wasn't sold.. but I'm certainly going to do my homework on it now.
This looks awesome, and I bet it works super well. But all these wireless shifting units, Shimano or whoever's, mean the customer HAS to keep spending money because batteries don't last forever. Well maintained cables do, though.
It's great to wait. Looking at how it works with guineas pig people, meanwhile Shimano and Sram old groups are cheaper and if removing the deurallier hanger works or not 🔥🔥👌😂
Do Sram engineers understand the purpose of a derailleur hanger? A - it protects the Derailleur, B - it protects the frame from getting damaged. With it mounted to the axle the force is now getting applied directly to the frame and to the Derailleur. Surely an integrated derailleur hanger into the design would of been the best approach to still make it easy to set up and to create a more universal hanger with also reducing the need for replacing parts on the Derailleur (having this option is also a good idea still though).
Typically, if you bend the hanger on a modern bike, the derailleur has been bent as well. The idea of the hanger is sound, but the reality is that it rarely saves the derailleur. The frame, now that's another story, and it will be interesting to see how that unfolds.
The only way they could offer adaptive and consistently perfect shifting is with electronic shifting and computer processing. If u wanted the benefits of this new drivetrain but with a cable you would have to have electronic buttons that control a motor inside the shifter to pull the cable just right for consistently perfect shifting. not to mention there would still have to be wireless data transfer from the derailleur to the shifter to tell it how much to pull the cable. So it doesn’t seem to realistic or necessary.
@@mosessdarko3341 Not true. Since now there is now no hanger, and the der is solidly mounted to the frame, consistency is now easier than ever. The gear spacing is known and doesn't change. No issues doing this mechanically.
@@a1white imagine breaking a crank and it breaks the whole frame with it too, thats what im thinking will happen with these mechs if they get hit in the wrong place
Epic fail, with the already crap eastern bike tolerance Q.C. this will bring a new age of I quote: "Fucking Sram!" Reinforced on a misaligned frame unfixable on carbon. Brought to you by Peak Torque!
The system seems impressive although the weakest point in the system will always break first. Before the weakest point was the derailleur hanger that cost change to replace. Now to me it seems like the weakest point of the system would be the pulleys cage, I wonder if the cost of the cage is lower/same/higher than the trusty hanger... Probably higher...it's the how to pull money from a product that's already been sold...time will tell✌
amazing group SRAM!! small note on what many commenters have pointed out. that is not just the unreleased Epic, but I believe it is the Epic **Evo**! Look at the hollow EVO silhouette behind the EPIC logo on the chainstay @ 4:04 (this is similar to the 2023 evo models). Also, no brain decal on the SID unlike the spy shots of the '24 epic, and that also appears to be a 120mm SID. This means new Evo alongside new Epic, and more impressively, that they've likely squeezed 110mm rear travel out of the in-line "supercal" style rear shock. Supercal only 60mm
@@hcole623 i’ve heard from a dealer it’s 80, but probably not more than 100 and what looks like a 32mm fork. So it’s an outdated design to begin with, with competitors going for 120 front and back with a 35mm fork.
who ever your marketing department is needs a raise, I can't even ride a bike, and this video was fascinating, and the product, well I didn't know mountain bikes were designed so well they make mars rovers look bad.
Ah.. so this is why my next bike cost twice as much as it should.. because of some silly 'innovations' ? it's a chain and sprockets.. nothing has changed. Works great in a clean environment does sram even ride their bike's outside ??? Ever heard of something called mud ?? Almost 2K for a drivetrain ?? LOOOOL
Cost, that’s the problem. Priority is frame, suspension, breaks, wheels and then gears. I am not paying that much on parts that don’t really matter. As long as it kind of works that’s fine, I’ll spend the big money on my suspension as that matters.
simply “over engineered”…not mention the design is uglier than previous XX1 AXS. My derailleur hangar is just fine, never failed, can shift flawlessly under load
I "transformed" my riding Turned it single speed years ago 😅 Leave it to the Americans,to create a problem where it doesn't exist! And leave it to the Germans,to just create a problem!😅 Greetings from Croatia 😎
Amazing, SRAM. I only was going to mention that your animation video on the Eagle Transmission homepage showing the GX derailleur has a ridonculously low 24 fps. Wwhich looks a little embarrassing because it's so choppy. This can only be an oversight, right? Please, fix
I clicked this video because I thought SRAM was finally promoting a sealed gearbox transmission. The average department store bicycle transmission is probably pedaled more miles than the average SRAM 1X. “When your only tool is a derailleur, every problem looks like a SRAM” -a mountain biking curmudgeon, who has pocketed dozens of broken SRAM eagle chain trail litter. Consider a Pinion, Rohloff, or 2x equipped mountain bike, if you want to ever exceed 16MPH and/or continue pedaling your investment after 2 years.
I was looking forward to this until I saw the wireless shifter pods. We wanted smaller, not larger. Also, 1x system can get by with only 2 buttons, one on each side of the handlebar. Reverb AXS could engage with a dual button press.
After two years of use, I had a bad experience with a GX Eagle AXS : one of the pogo pins making the connection between the battery and the derailleur broke. Of course warranty was void by two months. When contacted for a solution SRAM answered me that unfortunately there was nothing they can do to fix my problem. Solution proposed: buy a new derailleur!! I will think about it twice next time, that's for sure.
Can't wait to snap my frame instead of my derailleur hanger, that's an incredible feature SRAM! Makes it a lot easier to justify throwing out a bike every year, "sorry honey, SRAM made this sweet transmission that makes my frame snap instead of a $15 aluminum part, I just *have* to get a new bike now!" CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME
Electronic shifting for ebikes. What happens with regular bikers? We have to use heavy overbuilt stuff that was designed for ebikes or enduro bikes? This is silly. Look at how much a eagle derraileur weighs against a 10 speed xx. Not to mention the cassette. I was always a sram fan but moved on since they pushed the oneby trend. It is great for many, but not all bikers.
Hello, should be possible to install it also on a not “UDH” bike. Hopefully this will come in the near future, because a lot of mtb still don’t have the option to switch at the moment to this amazing system.
So can I put this on my old bike a 2011 Norco Phaser One? I have Shimano XTR on it. Also will this be the industry standard and will Shimano make their own kind as well or you're locked in your patent for this tech.
Oh joy, Something new that works right up until the app decides it’s not going to work, or gets the support cut, then what? Tech for techs sake, because they can, not because people really really want it. £3k for a group set! No thanks, not spending that amount of money on bike gears, no matter how brilliant the manufacturer says it is.
All im seeing and hearing here is proprietary proprietary proprietary... Quite honestly I'm sick of companies locking you into an ecosystem. This may have it's place but deffo not as a mainstream product for those that already own bikes they want to modify.
"If i went too deep into this it might melt your brain" ?? Insult doesn't make for good deflection . Aside from that the videos attempt at humor was silly and 🤮 pukeish . looks nice but i'll stick with my old GX . i'll be dead before it dies .
