St Trina and Miquella are probably some of the most beautiful character from ever created. Trina especially has some ethereal beauty full of peace, she really feel like someone in an eternal peaceful slumber
@@roachdoggjr4648 she is miquella's other half, so when we kill miquella she dies too. she probably would have grown out of the blossom given time, looked like she was halfway out already, manifesting herself.... also she drops a hidden headpiece, read its description 😭
its honestly really interesting to see how despite the generally very saturated look in-game, the flower is actually extremely withered... its still majestic to us, yet the peak of her beauty and power is far, far behind.
To think Miquella threw her off the cliff to the sea to embark on his quest after using her to gain favors and followers is really horrible. Even so Trina still thinks about him.
"I abandon here my doubt and vascillation" was the first cross most players probably find with the nectar burgeons indicating trina. I took it to mean that he was having doubts and facing indecisiveness about abandoning his other self, or his "love," which he ultimately chose to abandon because it was a necessary step in his plan to achieve godhood. in an "ends justify the means" sort of way. I don't think he WANTED to, but rather he felt like he had to if he was ever going to ascend. and he had to abandon his doubt first in order to make that step
That’s because Miquella learned from Marika. Marika never divested herself of anything so despite achieving Godhood she still retain aspects of her humanity and with that it’s short comings.
@@bigboy6019 or he refused to believe he had doubts, like sta trina asking him "are you sure about this?" And to make her stop convincing him he threw her off the cliff
@@snarky5341and without the human flaws he would become far worse than marika, he would kill without remorse, a god with rage is bad, a god that doesnt care if its population dies or doesnt care about killing is worse, like Ansbach and goldmask said, a great order is one led by men, not gods, for gods are too like men with too much power
Miquella tossing away the parts of himself that he needed the most to actually achieve the kind loving order he wanted. At the very least when Miquella had died, St. Trinia helped him one last time.
Tragic and surprisingly true to reality story about how its usually required to toss away your heart to climb to power, but result is just another heartless person with power
It just feels like some twisted version of communion, and the followers of Miquella literally trying to obtain or mark locations where the body parts fell in a legitimately same manner that Reliquaries do. The most traditional use of the term "relic" is the preserved body parts of saints. Blasphemous has you collect relics in the form of bones. Relics in a bone sense are collected in an "Ossuary."
@@AtticusKarpenter depends on the definitions. Miquella is creating an Age of Compassion and even though I can imagine someone associating love with compassion, I can also imagine the concepts to be different. Also there's many-a-ways to interpret what the "love" means especially since it's plausible it's referring to Trina and I at least don't know Japanese, so I'm unaware of possible other linguistic context.
ohhh i was wondering how miquella could have cut her away from him, and realising she probably just budded a new version of herself from the nectarbloom where his blood fell makes so much sense. like how millicent came from a bud of aeonia, or how 'erdtree birth' might work, people really do grow on trees in this world.... edit: may i refer you all to tarnished archaeologist’s video on the subject ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3C-AaanlTD4.htmlsi=ny-h0nV17380DC4f
I feel like the Millicent/Malenia connection is presented differently than St. Trina/Miquella and Radagon/Marika. I like your theory - I just don't think Millicent is necessarily in the same category. Perhaps that's why St. Trina looks so non-human?
@@vaatiwrileythewolf1746 there’s no evidence that radagon and marika could separate themselves from each other. why would they fight for control of their shared body shattering the elden ring if radagon could just step out of the body and stop marika physically
VERY interesting to see her unused dialogue. Even in the used one, she seem to clearly not scorn Miquella for being abandoned, rather, she seems like she cares for him and knows that divinity is *not* something good, but rather a prison, that she wants us to stop him from inserting himself. I've seen a lot of people interpreting that she wants us to kill Miquella because he ''lost his goodness'', but it seems clear even in the cut dialogue that she just wants him to be free - which considering he was cursed since his birth, its something that gripped him from the very beginning.
miquella's cursed for forever youth. i don't think that simply means he'd never grow up. it actually means anything he works on will never come to fruition. look back on everything he did in the game, they're pretty much all failures. i think once miquella decided to give up his love for godhood, st. trina knew it'd be another failure at that point. so she turned to us tarnished to give him forgiveness for all the failure he's done.
As soon as I beat the final boss, I rushed back to tell St. Trina and seeing her laying there dead was the most emotionally gutpunching part of the dlc AND base game combined, for me. She knew, even discarded from Miquella, that his death meant hers as well. And still she asked us to stop him, to SAVE him from Godhood by killing him. One of the best characters, even though we see so little of her
A few different moments in the DLC truly looked as if I was looking right at the most beautiful concept art for a video game, but I was standing INSIDE of it. Like being inside of a beautiful painting. I feel bad for anyone who isn't/didn't thoroughly enjoy the DLC, we were truly blessed with this work of art.
dude the first time st trina said her lines after us dying felt so ethereal. none of the videos here make justice to that feeling, u just gotta be there
A lot of Mediterranean flowers were named after greek gods, as a lot of other flowers after were named after saints and biblical events. Flowers symbolize life and death cycles, beauty, love , sadness and also blood. In Portuguese there's this beautiful flower that grows from a vine in bunches called (translated) "Christ's Tears". Elden Ring takes so much from how human kind dealt with the real and the sacred trough esoterism and science. How we named planets, chemical elements, fauna and flora. Its all connected, it's terrestrial and celestial.
Really taking the flower child motif to a whole other level. Makes the idea of the version of her on the Torch that's depicted as fully grown and seemingly intertwined with the Fell God a truly terrifying possibility that I'm glad never came to pass.
@@jasona4445 She has one singular central eye, along with her hair making the same swirling patterns around that center as the Furnace Visage, One-Eyed Shield, & Troll's Hammer all use to represent the divinity of the Fell God of the Fire Giants.
I think the torch was designed that way because fire isn't inherently connected to st Trina, so the maker combined designs of St Trina and the Fell God to reflect a torch embued with St Trinas magic
@@PierceArner no implications of such thing thats just your speculation just because her hair design in the torch is swirly? there are a lot of thing swirling not related to the Fell God
One of the most beautiful (and very sad) and memorable moments imo was actually discovering she was even down is the fissure. One of my most favorite moments in my play through thus far!! The music was also just on point 🤌🏽
I was literally vibrating with excitement when I came across a purple field. Since I already knew that he had discarded St. Trina, I figured she’d be there and the interaction would be awesome.
The vibe leading up to this, the dialogue thiollier, the calm music in her little grove, and how she looks, not sure exactly why but her design deeply effected me! It's beautiful in such a unique way. I'm not even gonna watch this vid because I don't want to see behind the scenes so to speak!
The endless screaming because I died to the skeleton guys horse ramming into me for the 495th time S u c h a vibe dude Don't even get me started on the fucking lasers I was about to fly to Japan and eat miyazaki
She blessed the merchants with tranquility and peace when their eyes were burning in frenzy, this character is a victim beyond what words can describe.
This character possesses infinite beauty and sadness. When I discovered (all by myself) that insisting with this character would trigger a specific cutscene, I was truly moved. Hearing Saint Trina say that Miquella - essentially herself - had to be killed gave me chills.
She is hauntingly peaceful, like stumbling upon a soul in a tranquil coma, sustained by fragile threads of life. Blissfully asleep, yet teetering on the edge of existence. We are, in essence, severing those threads, a sorrowful act. Miquella was never meant to forsake his love, to abandon her in this desolate place. How cruel must one be, to cast aside a piece of their heart, leaving it to be forgotten at the world's end?
We can see Trina's full body in one of the DLC trailers, so, if it wasn't obvious enough, this mostly-floral form of hers is a new development. I'd guess that this flower started out as a piece of discarded flesh, little different than what Miquella left at his other crosses, only it tried to grow back into Trina herself rather than just another empyrean-blood burgeon
She started out as a whole person, the scene we saw in the trailer was the exact moment Miquella abandoned her and left her down that pit and sealed the fissure
st trina looks eerily like the little girl from the animated movie "Angel's Egg" which was already an inspiration for FromSoft in DS3 (namely for the crystal egg hold by Filianore)
Yeah I couldn't tell what she was exactly like I thought she was a flower or a plant but I guess this confirms it though I wonder if she always was like this? Well thank you for this close up. Shame that was unused idk why they would.
@@wzx6x6z6w I don't think she deteriorated. I think it's showing her coming from the bud of a flower. Miquella casted away his body and we know his blood glows flowers/trees (Haligtree) and when he casted away his love she was born from that flower. It's like how Milenia's other selves were born from her flower buds
@@pratiksengupta5336 I think it's a matter of how you perceive the trailer. There's no definitive answer because the game never tells what exactly is going on. In the trailer it showed St Trina floating in a sleep state when Leda says he abandoned his fate. But in the game it shows Trina as a bud and she herself says that she was casted aside when Miquella casted aside his love. Based on evidence in the game I'm assuming she's going through the same process that Milicent and her sisters went through because they also came from buds.
Well hello there Wealthy Bone, long time no see. For whatever reason, RU-vid keeps deleting my replies to you. So I’ve signed in on an alt just to drop by and say hello!
Please also do a closer look for the Marika statue in Messmer's room. It's the first statue with her head attached, meaning we can get a Marika face reveal!
Same man. It really bummed me out. I think its two parts. One is we see Miquella in trying to save the world and create a new age of compassion divests himself of the only emotion that could have helped bring it to fruition. Second we see St Trina as the last good part of someone dying and discarded. Tragedy man for real.
Miquella with Trina: I want to give eveyone a chance to rest. Miquella without Trina: Let's use my mind control powers to make everyone love me and resurrect the strongest demigod who can control fate to have endless wars roflmao
they both have mind control powers.. but it's clear that shedding away, heart, love, doubt and your other self.. would definitely loosen up any inhibitions regarding that..
I do think abandoning St. Trina was one of the most difficult part Miquella had to do, she was the embodiment of his love after all and I've read somewhere on reddit, she may also symbolize his self-love which makes it even sadder. If you think about it, it wasn't about using Trina for his own selfish gains, he thought it was to only way to be free of his corrupt lineage, his fate. It makes me symphatize with him, I would like to give both him and St. Trina a hug...;;---;;
St Trina also symbolizes letting go of his haligtree and his followers. He did many things to create a place for the persecuted but failed because of mogh and now in the land of shadow he finds more persecution. His compassion and grief to all of those slaughtered, must of made it difficult to continue with his task to become a God.
@@ramoraid he didn't fail because of mogh, he straight up chose mogh - even enchanted him, people are stepping over the fact that he abandoned everything of his own will
@@lurksmcgee St Trina appeared to the people of the lands between and suddenly disappeared. I fits that miquella slumbering in his haligtree(to break his curse) and then being cut from the tree would make her/him disappear. If he did use mogh than he likely made him remove him from the tree, until after he broke his curse.
@@lurksmcgee The tree was failing and the needle wasn't enough to help Malenia. He "didn't" chose Mohg, he used the fool to lead him to the Land of Shadows. Mohg's rememberance even tells Miquella didn't answered his advances (let he do whatever he wanted with his corpse bc he was already long gone to the lands of shadows). So the blood cult stuff still all on Mohg's part. Becoming a god was Miquella's last resort, he tried everything before trying godhood. Mohg's body being used to be a vessel for Radahn is probably by opportunity bc Radahn's og body was completely devoured by Alexander.
This moment and finding Mariqa village were my fav moments it was amazing walking to that peaceful serene village bathed in gold while a gentle chord plays I don’t think ill ever forget that
I’ve been waiting for a video like this to explore her design and character model. At first it felt a little unnerving trying to figure out what is what and where things begin or end but after a little I’ve found the design beautiful and majestic looking.
One of ny favorite encounters of the game and DLC. I got mesmerized by the color of the cave, the music, the design, he voice... It really makes you understand why someone would pray to her
My first thought on seeing her is that "She really looks like the protagonist from Belladonna of Sadness brought into 3D space." It's truly amazing how Fromsoft could bring surreal paintings to life.
I feel like St. Trina was really underused this dlc. If only there was a way to free her. Maybe a bloodborne style dream world to get her back? Maybe we could have collected the pieces of miquella at his crosses to reform saint trina to summon her against miquella? Would have made this dlc even better.
There’s theories that there’s a secret ending we haven’t discovered yet as there’s cutscenes in some of the trailers that people haven’t found as well as a couple structures that have been unused so who knows
Honestly makes me wonder if St Trina’s nectar can be used to help put Godwyn to sleep. Like let me gather some and let me try at his main body. His mutated eyes are always open and can’t rest, and we see the Putrescent Knight was thankful for being able to rest (tho it DID come back to guard her so hm). Like I feel there’s a clear connection here, when we’re told that her nectar can likely put the dead to rest, and we have a Prince of Death who literally can’t rest, AND in the main game Miquella wished for and wanted to give Godwyn a true death too.
I was waiting for her !!!! Thank you so much for all you're doing ! Absolutely magnificent ! I thought the top of the flower was hiding another head but no x) Cant wait for Gaius now 🖤🖤🖤🖤
I adore her floral design, it calls back to Miquella's original fae-like powers and attributes before he started giving up everything about himself for godhood. Trina's design reminds me of the faerie queen Oona from Magic the Gathering's Lorwyn plane which is one of my favourite planes in MTG.
It is interesting that the alter ego of Miquella which is St. Trina obviously seems to be a flower. Where did we see this motif as well? Exactly. His twin sister, Malenia. Were they both initially supposed to bloom to achieve divinity? Malenia blooms three times to become the Goddess of Rot. Miquella original fate might have been to become the God(dess) of Death/Eternal Sleep after some blooming?
don't forget about the miranda flowers as well, it's a subtler connection compared to malenia but with how many times poison is referred to in reference to trina('s nectar) during thiolliers questline (as well as poison being his whole thing) they're definitely overlapping the two concepts in some way for some reason. seems prominent and intentional
If you are talking about bloom remember miquella grew the haligtree and then places himself inside it. He went inside his tree to break the curse placed upon him. St Trina torch is the only item that describes and shows st Trina/miquella as an adult, (success). It's clear that st Trina is tied to his haligtree and success in breaking his curse. Mogh cutting miquella out of his tree clearly screwed things up.
Best character design in the history of the Souls series. Hands down. It's what I'd imagine the Greek god of sleep, Hypnos, to look like. I hope From makes a game centered around Greek mythology one day.
So crackpot theory here. Miquella gives up his opposite gendered aspect, his anima, his love, in the form of St. Trina. That sacrifice produces a bud that grows into the beginnings of a young tree, which produces a sap and a person. Malenia gives up her opposite gendered aspect, her animus, her dignity (as Millicent put it), which maybe took the form of her "daughters". That sacrifice produced a bud and grew into the Scarlet Aeonia, which produces the scarlet rot and several people. To go one step further then... Marika gives up her opposite gendered aspect, her animus, her... loyalty? (Tied to her betrayal that led to her becoming a god) Her ability to meld things together as a Shaman? In the form of Radagon, who is a loyal hound of the golden order, and whose philosophy dictates that all things can be conjoined. That sacrifice produces a bud that grows into the Erdtree, which produces a sap (which she collects, or collected while in the age of plenty) and a person, Radagon. Ranni seems to break the mold though. She gives up her body, as I think all the others do too. She I don't think she sacrifices an aspect of herself though, unless Blaidd is that opposite gendered aspect... Maybe Ranni and Marika sacrifice their loyalty in the forms of Blaidd and Maliketh, where from Marika Radagon is produced, but from Ranni nothing can be produced because of Destined Death? Maybe that is why she is able to leave the world and move amongst the stars? Where does the Dark Moon factor in? Maybe in sacrificing St. Trina a new, different person is being produced from Miquella? That rambled a bit but essentially, I think that to become a god an Empyrean has to give up their flesh and give up an aspect of themselves, which as a byproduct produces a tree. That tree grows and produces a sap representative of that essential aspect of the new god, and grows a new person. When that person falls from the tree like a fruit, the tree dies and that new person grows until they eventually either become a new god to replace the old, or are conjoined with the old god, erasing the previous two and producing a new thing. Marika, in order to subvert this order shatters the Elden Ring which governs this process, and prevents the conjoining of Marika and Radagon from completing. Radagon tries to repair the ring, but cannot, and Marika is imprisoned for her sin. Because the Elden Ring is now shattered, either a tarnished has to repair the Elden Ring so that Marika and Radagon's combination can complete and the cycle can continue, or a new Empyrean must rise to establish a new order. Miquella is following the same path as Marika, and so is destined to, like her, eventually be destroyed utterly when he is rejoined after St. Trina grows into a new god. That is why godhood is Miquella's prison; he is imprisoned by fate to be erased as a person. Ranni's sacrifice cannot produce a tree like Miquella and Marika, because her sacrificed body has been rendered Dead in the truest possible sense. Since she is no longer bound by the same fate as Marika, her fate can be guided by the stars and the moon. And unlike Miquella, she does not give up her doubts, or her love, as her final dialogues imply. As for Malenia, we guide Millicent to her inevitable death mere moments before the two of them can be reunited. As she says "That if I am to flower into something other than myself, I would rather rot into nothingness as I am." Like Miquella and Marika, Malenia and Millicent do not want to have their selves destroyed to make way for a new god. Still not particularly cohesive as a theory but I came up with this on the spot after seeing 0:51
You're forgetting that there is a candidate for Ranni's other half... Melina. Born at the foot of the Erdtree, burned and bodiless. Who else is burned and without a real form? Ranni. Who else has a sealed eye? Ranni. They are literally opposites as well, one using solely Carian Sorcery and the other Miracles, much like how Radagon turned to Sorcery in an attempt to make himself whole again. Btw, Radagon was all of Marika's negative traits, which is why he governs the Law of Regression, is loyal to the Greater Will and the corrupted Fingers, and even has the Fire Giant's curse upon him that Marika originally was afflicted with. Trina is much the same, being poison to Miquella's abundance. Messmer's item descriptions mention a younger sister who saw a world aflame. Technically all of Radagon's children are also his siblings, so perhaps Ranni saw this world and that's why she started her quest to achieve godhood and cast aside her own flesh. We have to remember that Ranni's original body was a redhead, hence she was cursed by the Fire Giant as well, inherited from her father. Cursed with visions of fire, and after she died and her soul bound itself to a doll we see her true body burned. This fire was passed onto her other half perhaps, which is why Melina can burn the Erdtree. Remember, Marika was indeed conspiring with Ranni on the Night of the Black Knives, so Melina's task could have been given to Ranni, knowing full well that the other half could do it. Also, they're connected via Torrent. They also both speak to us at the Graces directly (Ranni during her questline through the doll). They both appear through apparition or mist before us. I would also point out that the Melina we see at the Frenzy Flame ending could indeed be a Melina fused back together with Ranni. By the way, I too assumed the daughters are the other half of Malenia. Since she's degrading to eventually regrow into a flower, perhaps she separated like one too, like pollination. Would explain how all of them look the same as her but feel like smaller shadows of a big whole. Gowry found them and wanted one of them to bloom into the Rot Goddess because their "mother" would not. It might have not even been intentional either, as her flesh is rotting away. The rotted flesh could have been rebirthed into new forms, forms that bear parts of herself. It seems that all Empyreans must separate from part of themselves to ascend to godhood.
@ididntaskverified3663 The item description just says younger sister with visions of fire, not Melina by name. Remember, ALL of the children sired by Marika or Radagon are his brothers and sisters. Ranni is his younger sister too, and if Ranni and Melina are the same person, this all tracks perfectly. By the way, it turns out that the Malenia/Millicent and her sisters theory we talked about is indeed true. In the Zullie the Witch video from months ago, "Rotten Family," there is cut content dialogue that proves it. In a cut ending to the Millicent quest, if Millicent had died without removing the needle then her consciousness rejoins with Malenia. The dialogue in the game files for this cut quest ending has Malenia know our character and refer to us the same way Millicent does. I find this adds even more validity to the Ranni/Melina theory because it proves along with St. Trina in the DLC that every single Empyrean has an Other Half, with us knowing that the four known Empyreans are Marika, Ranni, Miquella, and Malenia. By process of elimination this means that Ranni too has an Other Half since all Empyreans are accounted for except her. Miyazaki also said in an interview that there was a huge story thread that he has seen no one talk about in a lore video yet. I am assuming it is the Ranni and Melina connection.
St.Trina I consider to be Miquella's good side. Still sharing Miquella's wisdom, so much so that she knew we HAD to kill Miquella when he took things too far.
I’ve been waiting for this one Bonfire! St Trina & Romina are honestly some of the most beautiful I’ve seen since base game and I COULD NOT figure this one out…like I couldn’t tell is she was being birthed/cradled by the flower or WAS the flower. Her wings look like Miquella’s when pulled from the cocoon but the seem to be petals here??? So sad but beautiful 😢 deadly nightshade comes to mind but she’s more like a strawberry-most fruit bearing plants will produce blooms before wilting and produce/ripen the fruit. A strawberry however, produces a flower which sheds its petals and wilts-from the wilting bud it becomes the strawberry, before releasing it to the ground…..the grim art of reincarnation…
This actually horrified me to find because I couldn't figure out if this was a willing thing she'd done to herself or something that Miquella had done. Great work as always.
I was really hoping where the design evoked a "human-shaped flower" that it would be an armor set somehow. My dreams of being a plant person got dashed when I looked up the equipment list 😭
Radagon is actually marikas half which represented her origin before godhood hence the so called curse of red hair. She shed him to rid her of that origin before her ascent. There are more pointers but this is the simplest story I can tell @@kaine438
most beautiful character in fantasy media no contest imho. and I like how she's still pretty body horror-ish with her torso being entwined onto the giant lilly
So it seems like she literally sprouted from the empyrean flesh Miquella cast away, where the ground was fertile with putrescent flesh, and along her, many St. Trina's Lillies also bloomed around her. He (Miquela) literally cast away the only part of him that was truly kind and gentle in order to become a God. 😢
@@WobiKabobi ok the question wasn’t worded how I intended. What I was questioning is if this twisted form is the result of being separated. Questioning whether or not St. Trina was more human like before.
@@magnumdoinks5595 i think so! Similair to Radagon/Marika. In the trailer for the DLC, we can see Trina falling in a purple background, assuming that was her being thrown down by Miquella, or that is was just figurative.
@@magnumdoinks5595descriptions of items associated with her in the dlc talk about the nectar pooling and toxifying, like being dropped to the bottom of the world has caused it to concentrate and fester, congealing into something darker and corrupted. instead of a light fog of sleep that gives you gentle rest, its a heavy cloud that smothers you forever, never to wake again. So the idea that Trina herself was distorted in such a way makes a lot of sense
@@dumbsterdives yeah that does make sense. Only thing I’m wondering is the cinematic trailer showing what looks like St. Trina falling down or being “discarded.” Is that just her similar look to Miquella while still technically being apart of him, or is that what she looks like before being removed? St. Trina being Miquella’s love also brings into question a lot of things. Is it love in the sense of Miquella’s compassion and kindness being represented through St. Trina, or is it love in the sense of what Radagon and Marika where?
