Standing Jaw & Neck Cranks & the Grovit (Catch Wrestling technique) 

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@@seynpurrp an mixed martial arts gym?

You obviously have not felt these

@@honeybadgersroninmmanz7312 I’m a 3 stripe purple

Congratulations Rickson

Oh wow, I'd be interested in knowing more about that! Do you have any links?

the same thing I was thinking during the whole video. Next time Ramsey ask him if he has time for a short video for youtube, my guess is Neil will have something to do

looked and sounded creepy

He said that??? Wow.

@@RamseyDewey Well he actually "demonstrates" it around the 9 mimute mark in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G3J7usv11U8.html

@@tjwest2605 oh my GOD I just watched that video. Im not even joking around, hes quite literally lost his mind, my prayers are with his poor family.

Thanks for the comment!

Look up Billy Robinson and Snakepit USA, they'll put you on the right track 👍

the guy isn't even handfighting.Pathetic demo

@@tubeaddict871 Click on the videos where he is fighting back... Youre welcome.

@@tubeaddict871 There's not much you can do once you're caught in one of those well and tight. The rule is, don't get caught like this ever. Put an overhook and pull down breaking structure before you are cranked or choked, underhook and prevent the crank or choke, move out or something! You do have to train this and attempt it on a resisting opponent to learn it really. This is not what is shown but I suppose we might see mr Dewey live wrestling with this soon? :)

do fuckloads of trap muscles. like batista or something

Same way more than wong

Wong is wrong

Well, if a height difference is a problem, and you have the back, put them on the floor and get your hooks in where the height difference doesn’t come into play anymore.

I mean would you still be able to get enough leverage & make him tap out [if he was a lot shorter than you] ?

Yeah, that happens, just not very common in sportive fighting. Probably because both guys are well versed and the makes it difficult to finish it standing. But there are some great examples like Jon Jones choking Lyoto Machida while standing and Sakuraba breaking Renzos shoulder also standing. Also my coach has put guys to sleep with a standing ezekiel against the wall

Yes if you're a Catch wrestler lol. Standing guillotine? if done well its the number one go to because noobs lean forward a lot like me!! then I learned that shit real quick my neck got sore. keep head and neck in line with the spine like for a blast double. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aB9DwZGa0l8.html The front choke. Where the forearm comes up into the throat at the same time the hand on the back of head pulls it down. Should look like two arrows in a circle. choking arm curves under and up into their neck. top hand curves down hard on the back of their head (not the base but top of the back, more torque on the neck). caught me a lot too. power choke it is in the video.

Learn the ankle pick, you can do it from front headlock (which is similar to a guillotine and can be done as a standing submission in itself) When you hold on to the ankle after the takedown you can hold an ankle lock The same can happen for a treetop takedown

Nikolaij Brouiller it’s because standing submissions just objectively are harde. Period

No they're not. Catch wrestling have great many of them. Not all grappling = jiujitsu. LoL.

And this video is just worse, neil isn't doing any hand fighting, not trying to peel an arm or anything. This guy is a fucking idiot

@@tubeaddict871 You must either be trolling or are a dedicated fan of Master Wong, because I have seen you comment in excess on these videos leaving uninformed/insulting remarks. Still, even you must realise that escaping from a properly executed RNC whether on the ground or standing up is most likely impossible. In the first video that Ramsey did about RNCs, you can see how a standing one-armed RNC performed by Jourdan becomes inescapable. In that video various standing chokes were performed with resistance and full contact, so if you are looking for that go check it out. Furthermore, Nills in this video has no options to escape once the choke is applied. Even if Nills took Ramsey's left arm then Ramsey would just finish the choke by, for example, using his own head for leverage. Simply put rear naked chokes are dangerous, tucking your chin in doesn't improve your situation, and struggling after it has been applied properly is useless. Moreover, using strikes in a grappling situation is ineffective, and in a real fight you'll be unconscious/dead before you land a good hit. Look at McGregor vs Khabib, why didn't McGregor start throwing punches when he was put in the neck crank? Because he knew that it wouldn't be effective, and that he had already given Khabib his back.

@@zil_nine he wasnt throwing punches against khabibs neck crank because his arms were supporting his body weight clown.. get off the internet and into a training gym. The same reason he didnt try peel 2 on 1

​@@tubeaddict871 So you agree that McGregor was in no position to be throwing punches? Do you also agree that he had given his back to Khabib and was outgrappled? That is the key word here "grapple". Throwing punches in a grappling situation is not an option. I don't see how I am wrong to point that out. As a matter of fact you proved yourself wrong with your last comment. Though, I will agree with you that we shouldn't be debating these topics on the internet, instead we should get out there and train. However, this immediately applies to you as well, given the amount of inexperienced remarks that you leave on these videos it might be time to practice what you preach. On a different note, you didn't even respond to the other points that I made which are far more relevant for Ramsey's videos. The fact that non of the RNC's applied in Ramsey's videos - be it on the ground or standing up - were countered by punches and low blows, I'd say that there is no point in denying that tucking your chin in, eye raking, shots to the groin; and other striking moves are useless attempts to escape RNCs.

@@tubeaddict871 LOL if you think Connor could have striked his way out of Khabib's submission you are absolutely delusional. Khabib withstood 4 rounds of Connor striking on his FEET. What makes you think Khabib would give up when he has Connor's back?? You should go train some MMA and see how striking out of a chokehold works for you. Good luck but I'm not paying for your jaw surgery and rehab lmao

this shits going to the tenth round i guarantee it

Dude ramsey doesnt give a crap about this drama he already adressed it in his fan comic video

Great question i hope he sees this

Nils is a very competent martial artist.

@@RamseyDewey You should make a montage of Nils kicking people's asses

Of course you can put major strain on your neck muscles and prevent it that way if you're strong, but you will get sore muscles tomorrow. Potentially get damaged cervical spine. Totally no fun. It is extremely hard to try to stop it too. You have no leverage to pull, no leverage to push against your own head (free arm can only use few muscles). If you pull on the arm you're actually tightening the crank. The only instant hope is that your opponent is dumb and does not tuck their own head in so you can counter crank. Now, putting one of those on is a different matter altogether. That's hard against anyone who knows what they're doing. So you wouldn't see any neck crank if Nils was resisting. Well, they can happen, rarely, especially on the ground when movement is constrained.

You don't wrestle against a knife unless you want to die, you grapple and control the knife, knife hand or at least the shoulder. Or push it and use footwork to evade.

*Forrest Man,* no this isn't. This is a response from the people who thought his other video was a response for Master Wong and said that Ramsey's choke only worked because it was done on the ground. There isn't any video that is a response for Master Wong as of now.

Don’t get caught.

Do you mean highest percentage techniques?

"(of a contestant's head) held under an opponent's arm." Techniques that involve holding the opponents head in a way that's hard for them to escape from, as I understand it.

from the video description: "For some reason, hundreds of people sent me messages insisting that it's impossible to perform a jaw crank or a neck crank from a standing position. Surprise! It's totally possible! Welcome to the wonderful world of catch as catch as catch can neck and spinal locks, holds, and stretches (aka: how to snap necks) including the deadly grovit ( a neck breaking technique) as I learned it from the late, great Billy Robinson." Watch the video and you'll learn all about the grovit (neck breaking technique from the front)

@@RamseyDewey ohh nice I didn't read the description. Just skipped to the rear naked part and decided to post about Billy. Incorporating a circle motion as you crank will help control the opponent even more leaving opportunity to find a weak spot in their base or technique. Good info.

@@RamseyDewey also... Where does the cross face come into play? Standing cross face illegal if you just use the hand to push against nose ? Is standing cross face legal is basically what I'm asking. Or would it be considered a punch ? And I mean use it as a mere second to throw the opponent off or get them to turn their head slightly making them off balance? I mean I know that if this was street fight I would just go for the ultimate groin grab eye poke technique.

there are tons in jujutsu...a variety of arm bars, shoulder locks etc. Not sure how well they'll work in full contact though. some techniques off the top of my head are timbin nage (really more of a throw, but can be used as a sub), hiji kudaki, ude garami, gyaku ude garami (those last two were shown in this video), yuki chigai, kata ha gaeshi, waki gatame hiki tate, kannuki hiki tate.

@@elenchus ok

Shockingly little.

Nope. It’s a reply to about 100 angry, I’ll informed people in the comments section of my last video about finishing the rear naked choke when the chin is tucked. They all insisted that it’s physically impossible to perform jaw and neck cranks standing up. I wonder where they got that idea from?

They should talk to Khabib about finishing chokes on tucked chins. I definitely didn't get the idea from Wong's video where he says chokes will be delayed if the chin is down. Definitely not. No sir, I say.

Yes. I am also a catch wrestler

Option A: don’t get caught Option B: tap out

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AUVvxyWpl9c.html

What a guy!

m.ru-vid.com?search_query=jack+mountford+catch+wrestling Ever seen this gentleman?

There is NO implication whatsoever about street fighting! Don't get into street fights! That's one of the dumbest things a grown man could ever do. This is a combat sports channel, not an endorsement for idiotic street fights.

but for martial arts

Not when you do them right

Is it bad to use strength tho?

@@demoncore5342 Technique amplifies strength. You're always going to need to use strength to win a physical competition, but proper technique makes it so that less strength is required and that you are less likely to hurt yourself.

@dusara217 Sure, it just tends to sound like ignoring the phisical prowess a lot of times, the most efficient technique will do one no good, if he lacks the strength and on the other hand one can make the most basic stuff unbeatable, just by using overwhelming force.

@@demoncore5342 why should it be bad? Even when size is equal neck cranks require so much more strenght compared to chokes.

Yea but tucking your chin and raising the shoulders is very very basic. It´s just something you do to get a little time, but Wong seems to be acting like the other guy can´t get a proper choke or crank if you do that. It´s just a basic easy way to make it a bit harder, that doesn´t mean at all that the other guy can´t choke you. After you do that there are legitimate escapes that Ramsey showed against live resistance in a previous response to Master Wong, that don´t rely on pain submission like nut shots. You really don´t want to rely on the other guy being a wimp and letting you go because he´s hurting when he´s literally in a position that´s designed to kill you. You want to get out of the hold, not trust that a nutshot or eye gouge or anything like that will let him go, because what if the guy is tough and thinks "damn my nuts hurt, better crank harder coz this is only gonna take a few seconds till he´s out"?

@@MrRazmut I agree, like I said it doesn't make you invincible just makes it a little harder. As basic as it is, it is solid advice for Grappling or just fighting in general. My problem with this video is that some people may watch it and believe tucking your chin is a bad thing when it clearly isn't. I don't agree with master wongs techniques at all, just calling out BS where I see it

@@asantehunter Ah I see, yea you´re right if someone isn´t familiar with this then I can see how they might think that. I´d definitely tuck my chin if I could and a guy was trying to choke me on the street. I just wouldn´t go for his nuts because I don´t want to get choked to death hahahah

ToTheStarsS2 Whats stopping the guy from putting a knee on your back or stomping the backs of your knees? Isn't the guy behind gonna be pulling so if you try to lean forward you'll just put more pressure on the choke?

ToTheStarsS2 No I mean the guy doing the choke, won't he stomp your knees to drop you or put a knee on your lower back to pull you backwards if you try to lean forward? That's what I would do if a guy was cranking forward into the choke.

My instructor always told me, "The best escape is to train to not get there." Easier said than done sometimes. Lol.

*Leadreviewer,* Nearly impossible. Its like saying you could have escaped from a constrictor snake's strangulation.

You tap or it snaps. That's how you get out of a neck breaking technique. Don't goof around in one of those thinking there's a magical way out.

I think if in the standing RNC with your chin tucked, you could try to drop your weight quickly and lower your position. This may buy you a little time and space before he readjusts. I'm thinking life or death here not playing in the gym.

Also what if he does flying kicks from 40 metres away With Psyionic Chi mind attacks? There is no defence for these ancient forgotten skills.