The way it just cut through the shields was legit terrifying the first time I watched this episode. Up until now we'd seen Prometheus tanking hundreds of shots from Goa'uld vessels like an absolute champ and always come out on top. I'm sure it was a very humbling experience for the whole of the SGC.
Well, yeah. That's how power creep works. The writers have to keep out-doing themselves and raising the stakes to maintain a sense of tension. At this point Goa'uld weapons are ineffective, even in large numbers. So the next bad guys have to be even more powerful to be a credible threat.
Yea same.... on the first shot too and through the boosted front shields, so there was no "oh the shields got weakened" excuse. It never had the best weapons, but it had Asgard shields, and they held out against pretty much all threats up until this point. I hated how they nerfed the Asgard over time (just like the Goa'uld). The Asgard were originally supposed to be equals to the Ancients (& therefore Ori), with their level of tech from 10s of thousands of years ago. Modern Asgard tech should've been > than any Ancient tech, although the Ori & Ancients have the "ascended" excuse.
@@lamelama22 If you watch the battle closely, all the Goa'uld ships are out right destroyed by a single beam. But the Asgard and Tau'ri ships actually manage to absorb the brunt of a single beam, so the Ori ships worked together to double-tap them. Actually, the Asgard were never outright stated to be equal to the Ancients, simply allies to them. I recall Thor mentioning that they had been studying the Ancient database for as long as he could remember but they had only barely scratched the surface. They had to use O'Neill's mind as a search engine to build the prototype anti-Replicator weapon. Besides, the Ori and the Ancients are not equals either. The Ori are taking full advantage of knowledge gained from ascension. The Ancient policy of strictly forbidding ascended beings from communicating such knowledge to lowers strongly suggests that their DB doesn't include such advanced knowledge.
I can't remember the episode, but the Rebellious Jaffa were starting to be organized and we're lead by that traitor Jaffa. Anyway Jack said the staff weapon is a weapon of terror. Human weapons were weapons of war. Same mentality, just scale the tech up. Staff weapons were still deadly though, RIP Doctors Frasier. Better record than SW stormtroopers.
They should have anticipated this. If it had shields they can’t penetrate, would be wise to assume it’s weapons are out of their level as well. Jump to hyperspace and try again later when the satellite is powered down. It’s after all an Ori technology from ascended beings.
@@chillout1109 how is one Daniel left behind bigger problem than risking 115 crewmen lives? Later when the ship got destroyed only Seventy-six of over 115 crewmen survive. I would like movies to be realistic.
@@TheKingTywinLannister Well, if movies were realistic, they would all end after a few minutes of play. Stupid, unrealistic plots and story lines are added to make the shows longer than they would otherwise be.
@@chillout1109 No. I think that’s wrong. It’s all in hands of the script writers to write believable stories that make sense not go too unrealistic with things.
Definitely one of the biggest "oh shit, NOOO" moment. Poor Prometheus. You feel so happy earth finally has a real spaceship in the show, and then it gets cut to pieces and you're forced to watch. That being said, the daedalus class is a cooler looking ship.
"Oh sure lets get in the middle of another planet's civil war again... but this time against unknown Ori tech!" They had a plan, waltzed in like there was no threat, dithered on the plan, commanded by committee, and lost an interstellar capital ship. Pride goeth before the fall. How did this not require Landry and the President's approval? How did this not lead to Landry and Mitchell being relieved of command over losing a capital ship for literally nothing?
Be as mad as you want though XD they had to get rid of the Prometheus cause it was different from the rest of the ships. So they had to make it believable
You always felt that no matter what happened, Promethius would always scrape through somehow. Losing her felt like seeing a main character getting killed off. I had always wondered why the show never built any more 303's. They had the ship model so it wouldnt have been more expensive than animating a 304.
X-303 is a prototype they probably gained tons of experience and found plenty of flaws. It makes perfect sense that they started a new project where those are fixed
@@100dampf exactly the 303 was just a hobbled together prototype of different technologies with them slapping things on as they got them, the 304 was built from the ground up with that Tech in mind and frankly it’s way easier on the eyes lmao
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Actually All Daedalus-class ships, including the Koralev, were built by the American government. The Koralev and Sun Tzu were turned over to Russian and Chinese control in exchange for their support.
The 303 was a testbed ship for new technologies, the 304 was an upgrade in every single respect, made possible mainly through the flaws found in the 303 design.
This scene almost broke me. Like a strong ship.... a very kind captain and crew just.... just gone in a matter of seconds. Yes most of the crew was saved by beaming down but man.... this scene was the most brutal in the entire series and i challenge anyone to share something that beats this!!!!
@@jurikristjouw I guess that would be up there for normal people with souls but i am much too jaded to be impacted by that scene. I actually would argue that Carsen (in Atlantis) leaving his poor turtles on earth was the most heartbreaking of the entire show lol.
@@krane15 Yes, exactly. And to your point... the show did a great job (in my opinion) making it feel real. Yes it was a little bit of an unrealistic comedy at some points but for the most part. The stories and reactions felt realistic if such a government program ever existed. If i may (at the risk of igniting the swarm of haters), i also enjoyed Stargate Universe more than SG! and Atlantise because it showed realistically how hard it would be to keep order among humans in stressful situations. .... away from official regulators.
I love how the missiles are supposed to be naquadah-enhanced nuclear warheads >= 100 MT each. And yet you get a tiny little fireball like it was filled with gasoline or something. I also really hated how they nerf'd the Asgard (and Goa'uld for that matter) over time. The Asgard were originally supposed to be equals to the Ancients (& therefore Ori), with their level of tech from 10s of thousands of years ago. Modern Asgard tech should've been > than any Ancient tech, although the Ori & Ancients have the "ascended" excuse. This was quite a shock the first time watching this, since those shields held up against pretty much everything out there up until this point (granted they went down for plot a lot, but the shields themselves were shown to be super strong). Also shocking b/c it was built with something equivalent to like 1960s human tech, which I thought was cool... it's like, we could build this, if we just knew how. And it's stronger than the Asgard, lol. It's basically like an Apollo ship with a ray gun on it.
The asgard keep progressin on their tech and besides they were busy with a war with the replicants. a technological race war at that, while the ori probably were not worried to progress their tech and just busy expaning without rivals, so no idea. Indeed, Asgards should have progressed more durin all that time.
The fireball thing is actually pretty accurate, since in space there is no massive fireball or even an appreciable shockwave from a nuclear blast. Both the fireball and shockwave of a nuke, no matter how powerful, depend on an atmosphere to compress and/or ignite. It's basically just a really powerful radiation bomb up there.
naw those were not nukes. they were war head that were kinda like bunker busters. the nuke had a really large aoe when used so we only used them when we were really far away and they were needed. now after the first hit from the sat yea they should have used them but i think to many systems were down. note - each nuke had a radius of about 10 miles when used and i doubt that sat was 10+ miles long.
The Asgard were allies with the ancients but their tech wasn't equal. Ancient technology was far superior. They even mentioned several times that they were unable to filter through the endless data from the ancient repository. Then add in changing home worlds, war with the replicators and deteriorating genetics...you have the end of a superior race. Too bad they didn't do anything with the Asgard from the pegasus galaxy
The two missiles they fired didn't even make a dent. With the readings they were getting, they surmised that firing more missiles would not have guaranteed a different outcome anyway. At this point, they were just reeling from the surprise that such a primitive planet was in possession of such an advanced shield technology. They couldn't just keep firing and depleting their missiles, but were instead thinking of a different approach to the problem. It's unfortunate that they never got the chance to apply the different approach.
I never understand why they didn't just ram it out of orbit before it recharged, the F-302s could just gently connect with the shields and push it into atmosphere, after that it's history, shield or not.
I've always wondered. Why not go to the other side of the planet and then threaten to blast their main capital/government if they don't comply. Surely that satellite can't follow them without "ship engines"
I'd imagine that the satellite is in an orbit over the capital, or at least near it, given how the world maps we see of this planet suggest the actual land area is pretty small. Even if it isn't, though, real-world satellites do have the ability to make slight orbital changes on their own, so the Ori weapon might've been capable of limited repositioning.
Idk they even jumped into the range of the satellite and not on the other side of the planet first to sortie their fighters and allow them to scout if the satellite was a danger
the deadalus class might be able to withstand it. But it might a little stronger than a single blast of a ori ship, since satellites can release greater energy.
What bugs me about stargate is how long they used ineffective missiles on the earth ships. They almost never did anything, but kept trying it every freaking battle
I mean what else were they supposed to use? The Asgard didn't want to give them offensive weapons, the Tauri couldn't replicate any staff cannons. Missles is literally all they had
They deserved to be destroyed, not even a second of tactical consideration approaching a station of unknown capability. Didn't even attempt to move out of the weapons firing arc when they detected the power up. Far too much reliance on the asgard shields.
What all of you are missing because it comes prior to this clip is that they believed they knew the specs of the satellite because that intelligence was fed to them. They were unaware shields had been added until that point (without which the satellite would've stood no chance) and the weapon itself was more powerful than predicted. They only found both those differences out as in this clip _after_ they lost sublight.
@@psoma_brufd having the design drawings doesn't necessarily give you an understanding of the performance characteristics without a digital twin to base it on. Even so an abundance of caution should have been applied.
Is this what a Ha'tak goes through? Gets hit by an Ori beam weapon and the shields let it through before completely running out of power? Since Prometheus still had 40% shields and yet it did nothing. I guess Thor's original chariot would have been about as effective against it....think that one also used same type of shields, colours match for the most part....Daedalus had shields from O'Neill class ships.
Yeah but the Biliskner class had ion cannons that were better at depleting shields, not to mention being made of far superior alloys and equipped with internal dampeners to reduce the threat of internal explosions. They were also far more maneuverable. The Prometheus got incapacitated because of the internal damage suffered from the beam weapon, dangerously reducing hull integrity.
This was a really stupid episode. "Okay, we need to get in and kill the satellite before it powers up." "We're here. Do we want to wait and negotiate to get Daniel Jackson before killing it?" "Yes." "Well, RIP. It's powered up now. Time to abandon ship..." Even after not even penetrating the shields with their first salvo, they should've gotten the fuck out of there. No reason to stay.
Not sure if you missed the part where they said they had no sub-light or hyperdrive after the first hit. That is what Carter was on her way to attempt to repair, by bypassing damaged systems.
Season 9 and 10 is cringeworthy at best, with a few good episodes here and there. They play the "saved by teleporter at the last second" too much, the Ori is second hand Goauld.
@@rageagaintstheNWO I agree that SG1 overstretched its due by unnecessarily introducing the Ori as the new enemy after the Goa'uld are no more. They should have just ended SG1 in a "clean" manner and then move on to SGA. Having SGA and SG1 (Ori) running parallel is unnecessary. The budget for the Ori seasons could have been used for SGA to have another season or 2 to finish off properly too instead of the rushed ending we got for SGA.
She doesn't fly F-302's, I don't think we ever see her do so in the franchise full stop. She'd be fully capable of it but it's not her role, she is scientist/engineer, especially on ships, it would actually be wasteful to put her in an F-302 when she could instead help deal with any issues that come up on the Battlecruiser. We in fact see Sam flying the plane in Continuum iirc. Cam, on the other hand is a pilot as a primary role, in fact being brought onto the Stargate program explicitly _as_ an F-302 pilot where he flew one in the battle against Anubis (whereupon he crashed and got medical treatment before joining SG-1 itself).
they only acquired energy weapons at the end of the series. they never could reverse engineer energy weapons tech from other races. im guessing humans arnt advanced enough to develop thier own energy weapons, since most of it was scavenged technology from goauld and some ancients.
I´m only wondering. If shields on it are impenetrable, why not make some sort of hyperspace bomb? It´s not necessary to use Asgard hyperdrive to this, you can just farm and use either Alkesh or goauld transport ship hyperdrive (or use the transport ship as delivery carrier for a bomb). They just wanted to finally destroy that ugly half-baked ship, that almost always lost weapons on 1st enemy shot, along with hyperdrive.
I never liked the way how that beam did not care at all for the shields. I always fellt that it was too strong to make sense. Cause damage sure yes but stright up just ignoring the shield like that fellt like an absolute insult to the memory of the Asgard. Not saying that Promethious was off Asgard stock or anything but... idk... just sits wrong with me.
That they didn't come back to pick this thing up (damned, their Asgard-Weapons are nice, but this thing packs more punch and was built by people with less advanced tech over all, so it stands to reason that they could build a better version!) after the dust settled (maybe even pick up survivors if there are any!) is a plothole (the military would have put this on top of their To-Do-List (yes: Caps!))! I mean the thing went through Asgard-Shields like they were damn butter!
Asgard shield maybe, but the power source is not. It is a naquda generator from a “less advanced than Goa’uld” alien planet human race. So basically you have a powerful Asgard shield but it is only powered to maybe 5~10% of its max potential if even that much. Later we saw how Asgard ship’s shield was holding under fire from multiple Ori ships, while 304s and Goa’uld motherships were blown into pieces.
Don't forget the satellite was initially turned on by the prior touching it with his staff. So whether or not they could build a functioning copy is up in the air.
This bugs the sh-- out of me. Why would they send the Prometheus out to investigate Daniel Jackson being missing? A scout ship would have been more than enough. This is such a misuse of recourses. Considering how few ships they have this would be equivalent to the US sending out an entire battle fleet if seal team 6 didn't report in on time.
What scout ship? Earth doesn't have any scout ships. At best, they may have stolen tel'tak or two, but go'auld ship showing up would hardly be better. But considering they've usually needed to get jaffa/tok'ra to supply them... probably not.
@@JackPhoenixCz Teal'c had no problem securing one for when the dialed out the super gate. You mean to tell me they couldn't secure any more? Or heck, get an X302 with hyperdrive, we know they can and have done.
@@jacobkleinsasser5658 And what exactly is either of them going to do? 302 can shoot the satellite, but doesn't do anyhting at all for Daniel. Tel'tak can't do anything for Daniel either, but it does not have weapons to help with the satellite, either. Prometheus had the Asgard transporter to save Daniel (which didn't work) and it was armed enough to deal with the satellite and any possible complications (or so they thought).
@@JackPhoenixCz they don't need to shoot down the satellite. They do not know anything about the situation. Heck, the main characters even say that they are hoping to open diplomatic ties. So they go in with a warship... Piece that one together.
i mean hindsight is always useful, but i agree they were tactically stupid in this episode. Pendergast sacrificed himself because he knew he'd be court marshalled if he survived haha
Sooo with much more powerful energy weapons and shields why didn't they build ships that do this ? They had superior tech to take on SGC and a lot others..
The super advanced religious race from another galaxy gave them the tech to convert them to their religion. They took it to fight their own cold War enemy.
it's literally the same thing that the replicators used against Atlantis, just the tech is a bit dumbed down so less advanced civilizations can also build it
The Americans have everything as always. They came, hit us with missiles, and then they loudly shout "they are shooting at us." So many years of the film, but nothing has changed)))
@@quisqueyanguy120 Funny that they never mention that you also need the infrastructure to build stuff like this. :) Or this super-high-tech can be build with common, even obsolete materials (hinted at multiple times, e.g. the with famous single-use one-way toaster Stargate Orlan built). Kind of scary is the idea that perhaps we have much of what we need for such tech today, just lack the knowledge.
@Nero X Gotta rewatch it, then. Luckily I'm on the way, rewatching the whole series right now. Thanks for pointing that out, even with the dialog, much appreciated.
still,the voice are not loud enough and are overpowered by the backgroundnoise,and the general volume is too low. apart from that,a tiny nitpick detail. Ethon,the title of the episode,is also the name of the eagle that comes once per day and eats Prometheus liver,while he is chained to the Mountainside.
Stargate episode 2001 must really make people feel strange about the event 201 mocking ritual. StarTrek people must be even more tripped out since Talos means 201 the & is run by Gate-keeper-s especially when in simple math the name WilliamHenryGates=201 which any coder knows hence the use. Marvel is using it in the upcoming movie "Secret Invasion" with the main shapeshifter using AI is called Talos. Same reason Space Odyssey 2001 & HAL=21 or J.J.A(21)brams who has done a bunch of projects like A_LI(21)AS(AAS=21). TA_LI_BA~N making more sense just like 9/11/2001 means in program language to make 911=help into 1109 which is also a LO_KI thing or why the last plane out of Afghanistan on the side you'll see 1109. They really like to mock how naive people are here.
Nah, they didn't want to make it Star Trek. They just struggled with moving on. The main Stargate themes were mostly exhausted, so they needed to find ways to stretch it, experiment much more. And while the result was watchable, it's easy to argue that this is not Stargate anymore.
All these nerds trying to throw in their rational ideas about what they should've done... Im in shock, how bad did the budget get that filming looks so horrendous, even the sound, microphones terrible for a season 9 show... Enterprise the next generation had better filming, sound, ....cgi? Than this.. How does a cheesy 90s sci fi show do better than a season 9 show in what.. 2010? 2005 ? I dunno
*Based solely on their nature, character, mentality etc, that is so typically no surprising of a Hebrew Yisraelite Yahawahdaite (aka so-called **-african american-** male), even after being attacked he STILL decided to not kill the attacker(s).*
