Stellantis Formally Responded to my Questions on the Demon 170! I'm Confused! 

Sadly, of course their replies are vague. It's called CYA = Cover your ass (as in cover their ass). So they can manipulate their answer once something goes wrong, to best suit THEIR needs. You also mentioned, "If you have a 170, you better not be driving it like a grandma. Dodge built them to race. My theory is that they did build it in hopes people would park them in their garage and just look at them. For those that do race them. LIKE YOU. That is where their vague (CYA) comes into play to help them, get away from any responsibility. Again, walk away from the car, while the walking it good. IMO

you keep saying "engineers", I thought all of the SRT team to include "engineers" were fired a couple months ago. Must have been a false story.

DEVISTATING to see that even on the "Last Calls" they wouldn't give us a MANUAL for that Super Stock .. .Their pathet-o-matics that they insisted on putting on some of the best trim options was the determining factor on why I didn't buy these.

Racerx I believe they are referring to checking the quality of oil on the dip stick, if it's jet black, it probably needs to be changed....

I suspect using E85 created your issue with the first engine. I wouldn't use E85 at all. 800+ horsepower would be good enough for me.

Classic corporate lawyerese intended to confound us. They believe the consumer truly is so dumb as to not question or follow up.

I thought they had hired Fauci😂

Yeah, just a bunch of hand waving. Mostly useless answers.

Lawyer likely

That'd be my guess. I highly doubt it's a "quality engineer". They don't work on the vehicles, they look at warranty data and coordinate warranty claims, they have nothing to do with anything in the mechanical or control systems.

I suggested that and my comment kept getting deleted. When they are telling him to check the quality of the oil, they mean, HAVE IT TESTED. I don’t quite understand what is so hard to figure out about that. He’s not a mechanic. He only drives. That’s one problem. But, he’s smart enough to figure it out.

Allegedly..... ​@@justpray365

​@@justpray365there's a huge difference between driving and racing a fast late model plug-and-play car and saying you're a drag racer, as to actually building a car motor tyranny, rear, suspension Etc and saying you're a drag racer I like his videos but from where I come from he's not really a hardcore drag racer although he's a smart guy and trying to stay on the political side of it keeping everything clean and on the up and up and I commend that but that's not going to last nor is the second motor in the car these things are dropping like flies, and as it gets time and closer to the end of the warranty period for the last of these cars they're not going to do anything support is going to be drying up way before then and like another commenter said these cars are going to end up being like the Chrysler turbine car with nothing available for them and 5 or 8 years

@@RPmotorcars I agree. I’ve built engines, transmissions and rear ends, and suspensions. It makes a huge difference in how you approach things. He has to look for answers from what’s left of the engineering section. I just built a racing turbo 400 for a 68 Camaro. I can tell the guy everything that’s in it, and how to run it. I built a narrowed NASCAR Daytona style 9 inch for the same car. Been in it for 8 years now. He needs to learn how to build it before he’ll understand what it takes to run it.

You get exactly what I'm talking about there's a difference and a huge difference of being in it versus doing it and I'm not looking to knock the guy but he's just a guy that runs and drives a fast Plug and Play Late Model muscle car ​@@justpray365

If you're doing race passes change the oil when you're done. And before you start.

As a retired mechanic and machinist, I agree. Also E-85 dilutes the oil, so the change should be sooner. In a nutshell, change the damn oil people! And sooner than later.

While I don’t disagree with changing the oil at 1,000 miles, I’m sure the OEM oil in that thing is synthetic, the same oil they recommend you always use. But again, an extra oil change at 1,000 miles is cheap insurance. Especially for something like the Demon 170.

@CaseAgainstFaith1 I'm pretty sure if you hit WOT throttle and race you now need new oil and new spark plugs. I mean it's racing.

@@PonkyKong Back in the '70's and 80's that's pretty much what we did, new oil & filter before and after every racing weekend event with a street driven car, and on a dedicated race car just after every racing event (or before the next race in any case). Spark plugs on a naturally asipirated car usually got changed about every other racing event. Now adays with far superior lubricants we usually go about every other racing event, or in my case with anaylisis about every 100 miles on the odometer, again, this is of course on N/A cars, I'd change every single race with these 1000hp cars without a doubt! These platitnum and iridium spark plugs can hold up for a while though, I see no reason to change those out that often...

Yea many of those guys got let go unfortunately

It was “Sam” in Bangladesh that emailed him back

Dodge is done after 2024. Hopefully someone buys them. Stelantis is WEF/ sold out NWO. Forget them.

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@@justpray365Even youtube trying to help me translate this comment lol

Yep Stelantis specs are right in line with what a boosted car should have he just got the units mixed up.

I agree. He wants to create content and it shows by how all the sudden he can't understand plain English. SMH!!!!

My thoughts as well.

Thank you

Or "Oil Life" via the infotainment system since it's supposed to be using an algorithm based on how you've been driving to determine oil quality.

Exactly. As was mentioned in the video, this is a production vehicle. No one would be going to the extreme of getting tests done on the oil. It's not to be expected as an owner should not need to do this.

@@just_some_internet_guy that's like saying if you turn your production vehicle to a track vehicle and you can continue to treat it like a production vehicle. It's a production vehicle meant to race. And they are trying to not be too specific because everyone treats their vehicle differently.

We always dyno our engines to check for leaks then check the egt temps to make jetting changes for optimal air fuel ratios and once that's done timing is checked then they let the engine cool down to heat sink a few times then full on engine pulls & the dyno operator can actually see on the graph charts when the rings are seated . The engine needs to have a load put on it to seat the rings properly . It also depends on what type of rings are being used & what type of hone is used for a specific ring package so the rings will seat correctly. You would think that Dodge or whoever builds these engines would run them on some sort of dyno be it a engine dyno or chassis dyno to put a load on the engine to break the engine in & seat the rings so it's ready to race especially with how much these cars cost . Engines that don't get properly broke in tend to use more oil and have more blowby and will tend to have more ring wash where the fuel is going past the rings & ends up in the oil diluting the oil which thins the oil down . Too much ring wash from incorrect jetting or to much full added with fuel injection will cause cylinder wear damage because the fuel is literally washing the oil off of the cylinders and rings . The Brits on the old triumph motorcycles used to use Chrome rings for the engines & found out that it took way longer for the rings to seat in that also caused a lot of oil burning and consumption and also found out that the chrome rings wore the cylinders out faster so they eventually dropped the chrome rings and went to regular cast iron piston rings to fix these problems they were having . Drag cars always need to have the oil changed more frequently because of the excess fuel from WOT and short runs so it's always better to change it more often . K&N filters used to make oil filters for cars and trucks that used a fine screen for it's filtering capabilities and it could be taken apart to inspect the screen for metal particles and cleaned to be used over & over again but I'm not sure if they still make these types of oil filters or not anymore but back in the day a lot of racers used them to keep an eye on what was going on internally with the engines far as metal particles and chips that would tell them it's time to tear down & rebuild before the engine grenades.

My dad and grandpa both built racecar engines and they would both tell you you're full of shit.

@@bobholland9924 Love it! My Daddy said this! My Pop Pop said that! My Buddy said this! My Cousin’s Sister’s Brother’s Nephew said that!! But what the F-k do you say keyboard warrior! If you had experience you would say I this or I that!! Adult conversation here stay out of it!!!

I saw that guys video.

They can’t tell him that real race engines use Redline or Torco oil. Big brother the government would come down hard on them. He’s too nice and naive about “building a race engine”. Sure, he’s driven one. But building one that stays together is when you’re a real racer.

“ a real racer “ lol gtf over yourself

Just use the best shit oil wise redline or something along those lines and check it constantly and change it half of whatever they recommend especially if your running the car Top Fuel Hemis those guys don't wait to do anything maintenance wise same principle

0w is for when you live in a place that gets colder than -20°f or -30°c. When the ambient temperature is colder than what is above and on cold engine cold oil start up so the oil gets circulated as quickly as possible to prevent startup damage.

Yeah agree, or just put a dry sump on it and make sure everything is e85 compatible. This will make it a dedicated race car and especially because that’s what it is. To bad dodge won’t bite the bullet admit their flaw in the design and allow people to retain the warranty searching the aftermarket for a solution or fix the problem in house.

You can't go by those because if you go out to start you car truck even if it's just sitting idling & not moving that percentage gauge is running so technically it's telling you to change the oil before you really need to. I got one of those on my truck and I don't use it I go by how many miles I put on according to my odometer on the speedometer and once it hits 3,000 miles I change the oil & filter and yes I do run synthetic but oil is cheap new engines aren't so I change my oil more frequently

lol dodge knows how’s to rip their customers off

So 1 person gets a lemon and they are all bad??

@@tedrstedrs6690 A bunch of them have been blowing engines… are you a dodge fanboy or something? These cars are failing left and right.

@@tedrstedrs6690yes dodge is 🗑️

It's way better car than any general motors piece of junk

These engines use factory hydraulic roller cams so no need for the added zinc . Also if too much zinc is used it can actually hurt a engine . Engines that run flat tappet hydraulic or solid lifter cams need some zinc to prevent the lifters & cam lobes from failing which has been a issue as of late because the cams being made now most are made in China and the quality of the machining and the quality of the metal used to make these cams has dropped significantly to a point that a lot of people are having issues with cam failures plus all the modern engines are using roller cams & that's what these cam manufacturers are trying to push for people who own & use these older engines to swap over to roller cams which are much more expensive than a regular flat tappet hydraulic or solid cam costs . Chrysler GM and Ford all switched to roller cams in most all of their engines because of emissions reasons & the new oils made now specifically synthetic does not have any zinc in it at all . If the engine starts to use oil then the zinc in the oil will also clog up the catalytic converters in these new engines so that another reason why they eliminated zinc in these new synthetic oils because it helps cut down on dirty emissions.

The EPA started removing ZDDP from oil in the 90's. Oil since the 40's contained around 1500ppm of ZDDP. Engines ran flat tappet cams without issue. Roller cams helped with the reduced ZDDP but today's certified API oils are down to 800ppm. I don't care what anyone says that ain't good enough for a 1,000 HP engine! As far as hurting catalytic converters is more myth than reality.

I've had oil analysis done on every oil change for the past 40 years on over 30 vehicles, and I can personally tell you that the wear metals do not settle down to normal levels on gasoline engines until after approximately 15,000 miles, and approximately 30,000 miles on diesel engines. This is why I have always changed my vehicles at 1,000 miles, again after 4,000 miles (5,000 on the odometer) and every 5k after that (much more often on cars that are raced).

It’s definitely not a scam! You can research the company! They have been in business a long time! I will be covering the Demon giveaway

That's what engine dynos are for to heat sink the engine & to put a load on the engine to seat the rings . Our dyno guy can tell when the rings are seated by the chart graphs he gets with each pull on the engine and that's when the power also goes up with timing & jetting changes or changes to the injection controller to add or take away the fuel where needed .

Also it's just an engine. No different then any other. Treat it the same. Running 8k rpms for 10sec isn't any worse then running 2k rpms for 1hr down the freeway.

@@TexasAirGunnerwow congratulations! You and your Brilliant Wisdom just put Oil Analysis companies out of business! Damm it’s that easy! Just rub oil in your fingers! Holyshit i guess everyone else is such a FCKin clown??

I've been researching and had Automotive technical experience and I NEVER LET MY 2016 CHRYSLER 200C AWD GO OVER 5,000 MILES ON OIL CHANGE, I USE SYNTHETIC OIL. OIL BREAKS DOWN CONVENTIONAL OIL AFTER 3,000 MILES AND SYNTHETIC OIL 5,000. MY FRIENDS LET THEIR HEMI POWERED RAMS GO 10,000 MILES ON OIL CHANGE. NO WAY FOR ME, CHEAP INSURANCE FOR OIL CHANGE.