Stephen A. and Max Kellerman get into a heated debate over load management in the NBA | First Take 

swear 💀

Max is right tho people always confuse *real* defense with that WWE bullshit that used to go down, being able to slam someone is a *much* easier way of stopping someone from scoring than the defense that is required now

Facts lol

@@allmightoneforall1338 Intesting take

I would’ve died 🤣

Jeremy Walton the vid right before this is part 1😂😂

I literally did the same thing haha

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Did you see Stephen A face 😭😭

😂

that was amazing😂😂😂 they just weren't on the same page of what ''harder defense'' and ''more defense'' means 😪

Araz Aliyev You hit it right on the nail !

😂😂😂😂

They used to run the court only the strongest still had a jump shot at the end of the game😛😛😛

Gotta love Em 😆

It was a lie

More fake news from the liberal media. What else is new.

Tory Rodney 🔥🔥🔥 lol that hyped me up

Tory Rodney gahahahah

Om 😂😂

But in the end max was wrong defense was way more intense back in the day

Lmfao

Lol

Skip and Steve was better, shame ESPN let Skip walk

whos the tom whos the jerry skip and shannon is great too

@@silversauceran They're more like a married couple

Now I gotta go check the hub... it has to be out there

Lol funny and true

Dude, you are wrong for that one 😂😂😂

Naw because loads are being managed

Nicolas Covarrubias I died when he said that 😂

Don't shoot!

Kevo The Goat i seen that😂😂

6:25

“I heard a by the way” lol

@@officialconch Bro, what was that? Lol, just blatant disrespect

RedLightning17 Max Savageman

Agreed

Nope, road trips are when players are worn down the most. The schedule puts a lot of strain on the players when they go on a 6 game road trip and the last one is a B2B. I don't care if its on ESPN or TNT as an organization you rest and take care of your players when they are worn and exhausted, not ask them to play for a game that ultimately means little to their legacy. Like Max was saying the media has blown up the importance of the title and not enjoying the game on a day to day basis.

Why would a team decide to lower their ticket sales by having the stars take games off at home

They should just figure out how much money the players are getting paid a year. Find the average of money per game. And take that money off the paycheck. That'll be fair. If you don't play, you dont get paid. And they'll lose more money than just a fine.

@@214chopsticks214 they still get paid to practice

SAS: 👁👄👁"woah, woah! Chillll bro chilllll!" 😂😂😂

Das illegal!

uno reverse card

They only had two players who were actually good basketball players. The rest were bums who couldnt do anything but beat people up

@@SKTV1991 they were all time elite team stop it they were very good

Josh Smith they had off days when they played against the expansion teams

I was referring to the teams that played them when I said they weren’t taking load management days. If we were about to play Detroit i would’ve definitely used a load management day 😂😂😂

Ratoya Banks nba players with more strength today would body the pistons no cap only a Karl Malone and and a wilt and a Russell can handle that

lol lol lol

ajswaq bruh that’s PPV worth type

They should make it a bigger deal & do it only like every other month

Exactly what I’ve been wanting for the longest it would be crazy. Just don’t let molly come

Bro Shannon vs Stephen A would be worth paying to see

Kamali Dennis Molly definitely is not invited

He does that when he’s losing the argument. And when he realizes he’s wrong he says. “See what you said there was slick max! If that’s what we’re talking about then you’re right, but...”

AnkleTaker 2 or he will say “when you look at it from perspective”

It's Stephen A. not Steve.. Show some respect to the goat!

Lol

Stephen

*Joules

Rudy Viray thanks bro lol

“Thanks bro” *Still doesn’t edit comment

Wombat Nation relax lol

Noooice

G code

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They don't sell their sports on it. The best player in baseball has played in 1 playoff series and no one holds it against him

MalikEKC u most not watch baseball if a pitcher plays every game he’ll blow his shoulder out😭😭do your research

Yes but the hype over the NBA trophy is insanely higher than the regular season compared to the NFL where regular season matchups are huge then comes the super bowl. The only fanbase that is hype for the finals only is the NBA the regular season isnt as talked up as much was Max's point I think

@@Kj-lg2lb = hh

@@kyleallen22 No that is Max's point and he says that clearly. I swear a lot of people are just like Steven A sometimes. I'm not gonna lie it is hard to follow Max sometimes but the dude does state his claims clearly if your brain can't process it then that's on you. I don't get how this guy portrayed his comment like Max didn't lay out why a championship in the NBA is more hyped than Chips in the other sports.

Max gunna be gone soon Skip coming back

@@LightDriveGaming from what sources

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@@flamerjunkie1954 google it. it was brought up yesterday as an idea. His contract is up next year

@@LightDriveGaming I doubt that'll happen. As bad as Max can be sometimes (which I think he sometimes does, just to give the show a "debate"), Skip is worse for the show. First Take's ratings are much better with SAS and Max. Max has more personality and is more likable (even when folks don't like him) than Skip is. Max also gives the show more chance to talk boxing, which is making a gradual rise again in sports.

Corporate America: "Well, okay--" **introduce more AI/robots to replace our jobs**

Corporate america would love that actually. Less full time workers means less compensation and coverage. Less payment to employees too

Load management=holidays

What is so hard about hand checking????

THEY SCORED MORE POINTS IN THE 80S! TEAMS WERE RELIGIOUSLY RUNNING UP THE SCORE, STOP GROUPING IN A CLOTHESLINE WITH "GOOD DEFENSE"

It was more physical. Not necessarily harder.

Jugroop Shergill 😂😂

And he end up being wrong too.

No score went that high last night.

Just look at literally any rockets game

Malcolm Elmore this is such a lazy analysis. He didn’t say they’re better at defense, he said they have to play more of it. Which completely makes sense considering that it’s harder to play defense now than in the day. You can’t hand check, you can’t be physical, and you gotta hover them like a ghost while only touching the ball. Also the pace of play has players running more miles than ever before. Players have a much larger load more than back in the day

Right......

There are more high level scorers now than ever before.

That really just equals them not playing defense at all..there's only maybe 10 good defensive players in the league or should I say that play defense.

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But the game is much faster today and players accumulate a lot more mileage on their legs

Right

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p untrue!

Exactly. Players should lose money if they don't play.

Nez Boi True dat... Be a real competitor. ur hurt, sit till ur healthy ur old, play fewer minutes. How u could decide a game vs the league mvp isnt impotant enough for u to show up is beyond me.

@@samuelyoung2671 well considering that kawaii is a 2 time champ, 2 time defensive player of the year, and is clearly better than the Greek freak, it probably isn't really that important to him, and it wouldn't be to me either

For the haters and sickheads at least...

A fake argument...

Lol

Well... he's not wrong here though

Al Vinn I agree with max, players on average expend more energy every play and that could very well be the reason behind the increase in number of injuries.

Abhimanyu Yadav Cuz old school is way better than today’s basketball

@@abhimanyuyadav3831 It was just a far more physical game if you were around to actually watch it. No room for load management back then. Players need more cardio today though.

Sas was right tho u can't even hand check

What was his stance?

Lakers in 5 WCF

Kobe was carried by Shaq. Better hope he's not complaining about load management

Steph Curry they needed each other equally. Shaq even admitted that he slacked off because he had kobe

Steph Curry It’s stupid to put one over the other.

his point makes sense on paper. he's basically saying athletes today perform at a higher level (not necessarily more skilful) and so more injuries occur because of it.

He knows exactly what he’s talking about. Pace of play is way higher, lateral quickness and regular quickness are valued much more than they were and the midrange is almost extinct meaning that basketball has become even more of an anaerobic activity resulting in more injuries which presents the need for load management. This statistically and scientifically is proven to be objectively true. I would suggest you may need to listen less to the lazy-even obnoxious-narratives that average fans along with the media will toss around, as often they are very inaccurate positions. I appreciate max because he thinks for himself and in this instance, I definitely believe he was right.

My boi rich af though

@@3129021jc 😂😂😂omm

Looks fine to me

He wouldn’t have it any other way. I wish I loved my job like that.

No. It’s the knicks killing him

if you think about it he was lowkey speaking facts

I’m not agreeing with him but that was a good point injuries happen way more now a days

You can see it with your own eyes whenever you watch an NBA game lol. All 5 positions are expected to be able to switch and close out defensively. Back in the day, you get a big man and you stick him in the paint and he doesn't leave the basket. It takes more energy to close out from the paint to the 3 point line than it does to sit under the rim doesn't it?

@@krsi2105 I want proof. He is an analytics guy. Your eyes will lie to you about who is a criminal in a lineup or about what you saw, especially comparing 2019 to 39 years ago. That's why statistics and analytics are there. They are better than eyes most of the time. On your other point of NBA players switching defenders, NBA players did switch defenders back in the day. Also more fast breaks were run.The POINT IS ENERGY EXPENDITURE. I saw more energy expenditure from players in the 80s and 90s than today. Let's not even get into how many buses and hours of sleep players in the past did not get versus today or the 2019 medical staff and excellent technology and diets used to keep them in prime condition. I can say I've seen energy expenditure increase from 2012-2018 BUT I WANT proof. He made a statement that requires evidence.

@@granola9073 that part I definitely agree with.

Bro mj went and played other sports dooohh those years ...literally he never just stopped playing a whole season just not to maybe the year prior to coming back and being on the wizards

Breathe*

Lol

Kawhi played through an injury since the Sixers' series, how was he at an advantage? He was playing through an ankle injury when the zaza incident happened too, he's never had an advantage because of load management

@@josefrancisco4178 He load managed during the whole regular season last year, you just didn't see it unless you were a Raptors fan because ESPN doesn't care about the Raptors.

@@andreialexandruparfeni7129 I didn't deny his load management, that had plenty of coverage last year, I'm saying in the end it doesn't give you an adavantage because injuries happen in the playoffs too, and nobody is at a 100% by the 3rd round anyway. I'm a warriors fan, and we were never at a disadvantage because of Kawhi's load management, we were because of our own injuries, that had nothing to with lack of rest, Klay's ACL was because of bad landing and KD rushed back from an injury. It's fine for kawhi to rest if he doesn't feel at 100%, nobody knows his body better than himself.

Pace is quicker, cover more ground, more possessions. Stephen A was so wrong

you’re the reason why people think girls don’t know sports

Carolina Howard actually the term was invented last season with Lebron boo boo

Lol

Westbrook has missed games this season for rest lol what you mean ?

RESERVES kawhi has been top 5 since 2016 or 2017 not 2014

Bertron Lord lol no. Way more physical, they drank alcohol at the half of game, didn’t know anything about nutrition, and still didn’t age games off.

So watching Harden while standing at the 3 point line takes real guts to defend LOL

Httrs 4life what does guts have to do with anything? and yes, guarding someone who is averaging 38 points does take guts to guard lol dude is going down in the hall of fame as one of the best scorers ever

Belak the ONLY thing you can say is the gameplay used to be more physical sir belak lol....and because people didn’t know about nutrition and they played all the time is exactly why the majority of players didn’t have long nba careers.

Trey Moore LOL

@@nickvalentin9909 haha

but he’s not wrong

hahahahaha

Nah Max makes a lot of sense

Sean Zadsalamat bro like they played football basketball back then and he saying they play harder today 🤦🏿‍♂️

They actually do because they have to run around more to defend the 3. Its less physical but you need way better cardio and stamina

@@demodiums7216 lol stop it

More talented, but less physical than back then

P. Dot he’s not lying the game is more speed

Lol

Jermaine Jones now she only has to do it 10000 more times and she can break even 😂😂😂

alex Motts yessir

L.O.L. She's just there for "eye candy".

frank giuliano practically

skip1837 cuz he’s a star today

@@JohnSmith-wh2ob ask you lady who was a star for her last night 2am😎

They have cash, education, ganja, brain, self care now, not your slaves anymore

They worth too much to risk now.

Who's saying they are slaves? So everyone who is working for someone is a slave?

Yes they are. The young players coming in are not even dedicated to basketball. They want to be social media influencers

Then they are in the wrong business.

Or anything else besides boxing.

Ghost2000 that’s just simply not true look at the average scores of teams this era compared to the 90s

But he DID load manage. Do all bronsexuals have selective memory? SMH

MrGenexxx and people did in fact lose their minds and say he wasn’t the best, say he was robbing the fans, etc.

Joshua Singleton he did load manage with the cavs and heat , he just didn’t do it his last year with the cavs

MrGenexxx when 5/6 games after 16 seasons and coming off a injury? Ur such a 🤡