First Take gets into a heated debate over Max's Isiah Thomas vs. John Stockton argument 

The Max hate on the show is actually getting out of hand.

SAS: “I know a thing or two about boxing” Boxing world: 🧢

"He had Karl Malone" Yeah, well, Malone had Stockton.

John Stockton is the reason why Karl Malone has 36,000 points and Karl Malone is the reason why John Stockton has 15,000 assists. They both complement each other and their both legends, and I agree with Max when it comes to Isiah being slightly better, being more emotional and animated about your opinion doesn't make it right, it actually makes it look worse.

Karl Malone is NOT the reason that Stockton is the All-Time leader in steals, I know that much.

The disrespect to Stockton is incredible. The more animated you get doesn't make your argument is stronger.

I love how these guys arguements are not fact based. These dudes are emotional that a boxing analyst can analyze the game of basketball better than them and more objectively

If Stockton was black we would have given him more respect. Stockton does deserve more respect

The disrespect towards Stockton is disgusting 🤦🏽‍♂️

Why do they disrespect him so much with all the facial expressions, max respects them when there talking. Totally unprofessional

SAS acts like hes the only one who can talk basketball.

Magic had Worthy, Kareem, etc. Are we to take away from Magic’s greatness because he had prolific scorers? Although I rarely agree with Max when it comes to basketball, I think he’s right on this one.

Get Jay Williams out of here and replace him with someone who doesn't look completely baffled when presented with facts.

I actually agree with max, u can’t just disrespect Stockton because he had Malone.

The way Stephen A treated Max was unacceptable. You can tell he was goin to try an snake em in the long run.

Stockton has the record for both steals and assists by a mile too

Ok. Max gets way too much heat sometimes. They crucified him for saying Malone was only top 5 PF of all time. That's not crazy. There were a lot of great PF's

Max is looking at the producers thinking “y’all ain’t paying me enough to take this disrespect on the daily.” I do love SAS, but this show is turning into the Steven A always knows best.

Stockton is the most underrated player ever. All time leader in assists & Steals BY A DISTANCE and No one in the media gives him any credit

Stockton-all time leader in steals. That record will stand forever. Should we give Malone credit for that too?

Stephen A and Jay’s only argument against Stockton, was that he played with Karl Malone. But I promise you that Stephen A or Jay would never fault Magic Johnson for playing with Kareem.

"Stockton wasn't looking to pass." Isnt he the all time assist leader?

Stockton owns the assist record and the steals record. Those are two of the five main recordable stats in the game of basketball.

I'm with Max on this one

Stephen A and Jay literally made no argument. W goes to Max easily

why they acting like this take is absurd. He’s not saying that Stockton is better than IT but he’s saying it his very close which isn’t crazy to think Stockton was amazing

I disagree with Stephen A and jay will on this one. The system that John and karl played in allowed both of them to be great. But the system needed a more willing passer which is what John stockton was so I don't think it's that easy to just say if isaiah and karl malone were together it would be the same or better because we just don't know. Not to mention isaiah thomas was a ball dominant gaurd who needed the ball that's a lot harder to play with them someone like stockton who's looking to pass and get teammates involved.

How dare they sell Stockton short. The man leads two all time categories.

Jay Williams is flat out bad at his job smh 🤦🏽‍♂️

Y'all treating the all time steals and assist leader like he a scrub

Isiah Thomas was more skilled than Stockton. However, that doesn't automatically make him a better player. Stockton was an amazing player. When former players who matched up against him, they talk about Stockton with superlatives and you hear phrases such as "grossly underrated" , tough as nails, strong and smart. etc etc..... • Derrick Coleman was more skilled, had more natural talent than Karl Malone, so did Shawn Kemp, does that make them better than Karl Malone? NO. They same thing can be applied to John Stockton. • For the youngsters John Stockton played with Jeff Malone early in his career and Jeff Hornacek, later in his career. Both were Tremendous shooters (look them up) Stockton also made players such as Byron Russell, Chris Morris and a host of other swingman/small forward types better. Most of those players RARELY experienced the same amount of success without Stockton. • Isiah Thomas was one of my favorite players ever, but he and Stockton were equals. Thomas more skilled, and physically talented, but Stockton was a tireless worker with a tremendous basketball IQ and a great facilitator. People tend to forget that Stockton made the NBA all defensive team 5X. Quite a feat for a 6'1 175 "unathletic" white guy. Put some respect on that man's name!

At the end when max goes “Liar”😂😂😂😂

Stockton was a stone cold assassin. He's underrated because he's white and he didn't win a ring.

How about we give Stockton credit for getting malone so many easy buckets

Max debates, never argues. His points are clear and cogent even when everyone tries to get on the bandwagon to try and bully him into conceding his point but he's a fearless truth teller. The man deserves respect. - Sending support from Malaysia!

Stockton was more of a leader on that team than Malone.

Stockton is underrated. Karl Malone didn't grab those steals stop sleeping on Stockton

Gary Payton said John Stockton was the hardest person he ever had to play against because he always played perfect basketball.

The problem about that was Isaiah disrespected the bulls and plus dream team had a lot of scorers so Stockton would have been best as a facilitator for them

Stockton is one of my favorites all time and I’m from Detroit 🤷🏾‍♂️

Why SAS think that him covering the league means he knows something? First Take posts video evidence every day that he is wrong 99% of the time... Dude said in 2016 Melo was better than Kawhi and Griffin, that's fireable statement

SAS needs to give up that UFC card before he calls for Max's NBA card.

What makes a great point guard? Assists and steals are two huge measurements. Who had the most of each ever in the history of the game? Stockton. Two of these guys are so biased that they just can't see the truth. Stockton shot the ball very little and when he did, he made them, especially with the game on the line.

But, Malone also had Stockton aswell.

I swear, Max be making these guys look like chumps.

Ok, getting real tired of Steven A. The yawning, the side swipe, the attention.. It's a debate, have some class.

SAS face at the end when it went to just him sitting there omg that was hilarious😂

Max is right. Detroit had weapons too. Stockton's defense matters.

Does this mean we are going to devalue Magic because he played with Kareem and Janes Worthy??

I can’t stand Jay. He has a conniption whenever people disagree with him. It’s annoying.

Didn’t Zeke put up 40 something points on him after that dream team snubb? Isn’t Zeke a two time champion, back to back champion? Oh ok. 🙄🙄🙄🤷🏾‍♂️

Ok ok is its just me who got they in the studio doing the sound check 😊 Awesome. Got to love it 😊💖

Never forget that Gary “The Glove” Payton said that Stockton was the most difficult player he had to guard. And GP played against Jordan.

Don’t get me wrong Max be wrong a lot but I don’t like how they treat him when he be right sometimes it just be mean.

Stockton averaged 13.1 points per game, for a career. Stockton never proved he could be the man on a team. He was a very good point guard. No more, No less.

5 major categories in basketball. Stockton leads two of them. And second place in either is not even close. How do they not get that?

I’m staring to like Max a lot more during the lockdown and SAS a lot less.

Max dropping fact bombs on these 2🤣

Haha I like how SAS already has the “YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FROM TALKING BASKETBALL!!” Look in the beginning haha 😂 And that baby’s reaction at 4:07 is exactly my reaction hahaha

Both are top tier point gaurds and each had thier share of high end scorers as teamates to gather assists. Karl Malone was of course the highlight in Utah but there was Jeff Malone ,Jeff Hornacek & Thurl Bailey contributing some years in Utah adding a scoring punch. Heck, Adrian Dantley was a top scorer at the time and spent two years in Utah during Stockton's career and then went right over to Detroit for two 1/2 seasons so he was shared between the two gaurds. Thomas had his share of scorers a well. Dantley as I mentioned but also Kelly Tripucka, Joe Dumars, Vinnie(The Microwave)Johnson & Bill Laimbeer. Thomas had more of a scorer mentalilty, averaged at least 30 minutes per game each season for 13 years. Stockton had eight seasons averaging less than 30 minutes a game but in the end was able to maintain a higher assist, steal, FG %, FT % & less turnover avg. I think it is unfair to deduct from Stockton's skill sets by throwing in Karl Malone as a buffer. Like others have mentioned what about Magic and his great cast over the years? Why didn't Tony Parker ever average 8 assist a game or much higher by having Tim Duncan? I think there are different variables to take into consideration like play style, team dynamics, coaching, etc. Just some things to think about.

Jay will is weird man he thinks he’s better than max lol he ain’t

They are diminishing John Stockton’s career. John S was an all time great.

Stockton was strong, tough, smart, athletic , and had disproportionately large hands hence the clean rips and passing lane intercepts

The Dream team didn't need another scorer they needed a guard to deliver the ball to those great players. It's sad that he broke his leg and didn't get to play very much

Stephen a: “you talkin u ain’t listening” bro why are u describing yourself

Max is right on this one. Stephen A and Jay Will just wants to argue for the sake of argument.

I would have liked this segment to go further into the top 5 PF of the games. Very interesting names came up.

Jay Williams would be absolutely destroyed by Stockton, day in day out

SAS: “You’re talking, you ain’t listening” as he misses the point and talks over Max

I can’t believe he just said stocktons success was primarily because of Malone? My god the disrespect. Ask those who played against him how great Stockton was

Isiah was not the passing point guard that Stockton was-not even close...Max is actually right on this one. Malone also GREATLY benefitted from Stockton-but they don't want to talk about that. I wonder why?

Here I was thinking Stockton was unanimously a top 3 PG of all time.

The thumbnail is so good. Max sitting all innocent while Stephen A and Jay lose their minds

All i know is IT was the leader and catalyst of a team that won back to back championships, went to three in a row, and beat a prime MJ, Magic, and Bird to do it. Not to mention Pippen, Kareem, McHale, and Parish. Y'all wake me up when stockton do that. Yall can argue back in forth about who better but aint no question who greater!

BJ Armstrong and John Paxson had Michael Jordan, Kenny Smith had Olajuwon - Neither amounted to a quarter of John Stockton who "had" Malone.

Scottie had Michael Jordan, you don't see him averaging 20 assists.

The stockton disrespect is insane. Noone knocks magic for having kareem, worthy, etc

Stockton had ten seasons with higher Win Shares than Isiah's best season.

nah, I agree with Max on this one.... those Pistons championship teams had 5 players averaging double figures....Stephen A and J Will acting like Isiah was carrying them completely...he averaged 18

Why is Stocktons brilliance being used against him?😂

"HE HAD MALONE" "I felt stockton made malone, I don't think he would of been the same player if he didn't have a stockton - Isiah thomas" (he said this on one of the inside nba episodes were they were comparing players in the "game today" that were similar to them when they played)

That thumbnail is legendary, Stephen a and jay losing it, and max just smiling

I swear every first take thumbnail is Max looking calm and Stephen and guest looking horrified

Is it also because of Malone that Stockton is the all time steals leader by about 600 steals over 2nd place? Totally agree with Max

Jay wants to be Stephen A with his reactions, he’s mad annoying

I’m with Max on this, Max may be a boxing guy, but the man is very very very calculated. He’s no joke.

Max Kellerman is right. Because if not then Stephen A and J Will don't need to react that way. Because it still proves that Max Kellerman is right.

Max: "Isiah was better, but let's put some respect on Stocktons name." Jay & SAS: "Do you even realize Isiah was better?" "I guess not because you never played the game." Max: "Wait, what?"

Jay Williams has been getting me tight lately just had to throw that out there 🤦🏾‍♂️, but Max isn’t wrong with anything he is saying outside of Malone it’s true Isiah Thomas had a better all around team Thomas is better but we can’t sit here and act like it wasn’t close from a talent perspective between the 2 Stephen A always talking about Max card basketball card needs to be revoked sometimes I do agree with that but Stephen A needed his card revoked when he Ad is better than Kawhi

2:26 Max knowing he said all those things just to tick off Stephen A.

Reminds me of the Kobe-Kawhi clutch debate. Max brought up valid points and even brought statistics the next show to back up his claim that Kawahi is more clutch COMPARED AT THE SAME SEASONS PLAYED. Stephen A kept saying Kobe Kobe Kobe 5 rings 5 rings and other irrelevant intangibles lmao

This show should be called teaming up on Max 😂.

i swear i heard a kid in the background in this video😂

I think it’s definitely a close debate. Personally, I’ll take Stockton. And my goodness, Jay Williams is soft!

Tim Duncan was a center Zeke had to beat Magic Bird and Jordan all in their primes. Not to mention the sixers. Stockton wasn't all NBA till they were old and retired

Yea Max speaking Facts over there. You ain’t just taking Thomas by a landslide. Defense doesn’t require Karl Malone. SMH

MAX is 100% Right, ISIAH is Better but not my Alot..The problem is these ANALYST always Defend the Players they liked when they was Kids!! MAX is Spitting FACTS and they cant handle it!!

By heated they meant slightly under the influence in an air conditioned setting with thousand dollar suits on. So actually a pretty cool setting.

I think the Jazz would have been less successful with IT. I think most teams built around IT would have been better than with Stockton. The Dream Team definitely was better with Stockton though too vs Isiah replacing him

So We Faulting Stockton For Having A Spectacular Teammate And Great Leadership Skills? Thats Crazy🤦🏾‍♂️