Stephen A. & Perk debate how players fear LeBron compared to Michael Jordan | First Take 

JJ is on Tuesdays

Not after he gave that 2 piece extra crispy no biscuits nor napkins to SAS

didn't need him back. JJ was a player. He's right.

@@dieselx506 on what segment did he hand the 2 piece and a biscuit???

@@kidd3633 every segment

After wat he said yesterday !! 😴 he ain’t want that smoke 💯🤣🤣

@@bobbyharris7674 definitely not

LOL facts bruh

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Dwyane Wade vs 1nd option in the Finals. *2011 Finals: Dwyane Wade=26.5-ppg. FG-54% >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk Nowitzki=26-ppg. FG-41.6%.* MJ would never have lost if his teammate played so well. Kyrei Irving vs 1nd option in the Finals. *2016 Finals: Kyrie Irving=27-ppg. FG-46.7% >>>>>>>>>>> Steph Curry=22.6-ppg. FG-40.3%.* Lebron"s second best player was better than the opposing team"s best player. Kyrie Irving vs 2nd option in the Finals. *2017 Finals: Kyrie Irving=29-ppg. FG-47.2% >>>>>>>>>> Steph Curry=26.8-ppg FG-44%.* But Lebron James still lost even with that help. AD vs 2nd option in the Finals. *2020 Finals: Anthony Davis=25-ppg. FG-57% >>>>>>>>>Rookie Tyler Herro ( age 20 )=15-ppg. FG-39%.* Still needed 6 games to beat the injured team. LBJ is one of the most overrated players of all-time. MJ is the GOAT.

I thought that was one of the dumbest jokes I've ever heard

Stephen a turkey

@@andrewtodd9103 Sure you did Debbie. Sure you did.

Yes! This entire statement. yes. The Bulls, Wizards, Utah Jazz and GSW are all teams to talk about right now. Including the Knicks and the Mavericks. ESPN does not do a good job of covering sports AT ALL!!!!!!

Lol Stephen A is as big of a clown as Skip Bayless. They should have a show together again.. 🤡

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@@darkomen24 they should call it the clown show on me 😂

@@blackboyfly5647 🤣 every segment would be a Bron vs MJ debate. Skip and Stephen A vs perk and Shannon.

LOL he gave it to him, lol no napkins, made a mess of SAS

Great place to raise kids. A friend of mine was in cali. 25 yrs ago. Someone asked her where she was from. She said North Carolina. They said sarcastically, What they do there? She said, We make basketball players.

The currys are a Virginian family His dad just happened to move around Bc of the nba

I played against steph and Seth in elementary. Them boys Toronto as they come.

@@willmdmv8848 His dad and mother are from VA but Step Curry is from North Carolina

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So he brought his yes men lmao

Stephen A was right tho. Nobody's scared of bron bron

Exactly!!!!

@@Steve-Flywest nobody was scared of mj either

Yeah I always thought Kendrick was stupid, but this just proves it

@@RandomShowerThoughts bruh just Bc people feared him doesn’t mean they didn’t fear bron you crazy

@@JumpMandrip23 I'm saying they feared both, Perkins said they didn't fear any player

@@JumpMandrip23 NOBODY FEARS LEBRON worst case foul him you ain't fouling Jordan with the game on the line get real

@@lukepapendry4822 😐

Best description ever

Could not have said it any better👊

Happy to see you back on the field Champs

Horrible.

I haven't watched Since max left it's terrible

I think u misunderstood the debate

Fear to face in a series. Everyone hated facing the Knicks and piston but fear playing the bulls

@@jabrielmufidthabatah2171 i think Stephen A never understood the debate.

Several players have admitted to fearing MJ. Fearing as in feeling intimidated by said individual and knowing that person will be the cause of your loss (of the game). Oh and by the way, Shaq has admitted to fearing MJ. You are right-its not physical. Its fear you will lose and make a fool out of yourself in his presence. No one fears Lebron.

@@Psychos1s I disagree personally

See originally he said nobody CAME AT Jordan or Kobe like that and JJ immediately killed that by bring up the Pistons and Knicks then Chris Childs so now he’s changing it up…the reality is people who came up during Jordan’s run (I came up around the 2nd 3peat btw) idolize him so much that he’s become a Paul Bunyan or John Henry like figure which causes them to say these things when in reality all of these guys have had people go at them it’s part of sports

Facts

*Lebron James doesnt play defense because his fans do it for him.* Lol.

I am from Toronto and I can tell you the Raptors feared Lebron James lol

Well it must be slow every week. There are other players.

Facts

You’re right but the context is wrong Scottie was pissed because he was underpaid throughout the Bulls title run and felt he deserved compensation Kyrie left the team last year for 2 weeks with no explanation or even a call to his bosses last year and this year he simply doesn’t feel comfortable taking the vaccine so similar situations but vastly different circumstances

Right lol

Oakley played with Michael for 3 seasons in the 80's

@@dynamic6645 right

Yes

Exactly 😂

Smh, that is so TRUE, bro‼️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ They don’t be having nothing else to talk about.

they need to understand he isn't going to be around forever wonder what they gonna talk about when hes gone

@@chingzbissoue1423 They will talk about his career and what he is doing post career. LOL.

Well can you tell em to shut up

MJs opponents called MJ Black Jesus when they did get to speak

Wow did you watch basketball too?

Its crazy that the entire show is bashing black players. Or degrading black players. They go at black players as if no other players exist. And sometimes is just crazy. Every show.

Facts

There was a ton of players that said they feared playing against him. They didn't want to trash talk him cuz he would drop 50 that night if they did. Reggie Miller the best trash talker in the league at that time wouldn't say a peep against mj. Stephen a was right this time and I don't agree with quite a few of his takes. Even Perkins couldn't really come back to defend his position so he tried to take it another direction. Saying Bron takes people under his wing, Jordan wanted to clip everyone's wings off he demanded to be the best play against the best not team with the best. See the difference.

@@blairbryan4040 it's the same with any great. It's not fear. It's respect. Like many greats lebron went to the finals 8 straight Years! You don't think opponent's in the east during that stretch looked at lebron as a menace??? Someone they didn't want to face? I do. I think if you were any player in the east during that run you'd put your hand on your head in frustration. So no... it's not fear with MJ or any great. It's the feeling of knowing you're not good enough to stop him, trying to stop him, and then Ultimately not being able to all during the run. I kinda why some people say MJ ruined basketball lol. People can't think straight when trying to idolize him. He the goat, but it's awkward now

Yeah I’m gonna have to say that you’re wrong on this one. The way they all talked and still talk about Mike to this day would prove otherwise. Mike didn’t wanna beat me, he wanted to destroy and claim your soul. Players feared that. They feared crunch time MJ. The players you mentioned didn’t get a ship because of prime MJ. Players have been getting championships during prime Lebron years. That’s a major difference

@@thetrib1 do you hear people say the same things with LeBron no. There's a legit reason behind that. He tries to befriend everyone. You dont fear a friend. People trash talk LeBron on the court all the time. Yes some of it is respect but it was alot more than just respect that made Jordan different. Kobe or Jordan would sooner destroy you on the basketball court than become your friend. Jordan never ever wanted Reggie or Barkley or Ewing on his teams he wanted to beat them every chance he got because that's how you make a legacy. LeBron would sooner have an all star team than compete against them. That's a huge difference. And if you think that's riding so be it because everything I just said is truthful even if it hurts your narrative. To be the best you have to beat the best.

@@blairbryan4040 it's the same. I know Jordan's image is of a god, but he's human. There are others like him. Lebron is no different either. People feared their abilities but not the person or player themselves. Go watch demar's interview on jj Reddick podcast. Or gilbert arenas when he talks about lebron. Then go see how Kevin garnett or Paul pierce was talking about lebron. It's different strokes for different folks. Damar didn't fear lebron but you can tell he was tired of playing him, while the celtics wanted to play him. Players don't fear the greats in the way you think. It's more of a respect thing than a fear thing. With people like lebron( Kobe, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Magic, Bird, etc..) if they have equal or better than talent compared to the opposing all star... they win most of the time. The pistons wanted to knock jordan silly, and then Jordan's teams got better. Same with the celtics and lebron. If jordan continued playing with mediocre teams he wouldn't have won.... so no. If jordan spent more time on a less than great team he would've left. Jordan ain't doing what damian Lillard is doing. Kobe's included in that. You bring up jordan wanting to beat barkley Ewing or reggie.... not quite on his level, but ok. Who were their scottie pippin's?? And were any of them better than scottie? Same goes with kobe(who couldn't say he was the best player on his team till shaq left), how many of the players he went against can say they had a shaq level player. Lebron leaving shows more that he wanted to win more than anything. So he evened the playing field and still lost 😆. Michael jordan never had to beat the best though. Michael jordan in his earlier years was losing to the best, and then the best got old, and then the bulls swooped right in to take that mantle. Lebron has beaten the best...the warriors, but he also lost to the mavs. NBA players don't fear NBA players. NBA players understand the situation and that can make them tight, but it's not because they're afraid that MJ or Lebron will go at them. They know they're ballers. So again. Jordan, like the other greats, was respected not feared by his peers. People felt they wouldn't beat MJ and they ended up being right. People felt they couldn't beat lebron and they were right. It's competition. Now...did his teammates fear MJ? I'd still say no, but you'd have a better argument

Or those players ducking the East because of him

@@FireAngelChris bruh seriously the east was weak when Lebron kept making the finals Lebron was the only team in the eastern conference with multiple franchise players on his team in their prime

@@theetruth8626 lol I remember multiple years when Bron teams didn’t have the best record and plethora of folks was saying his teams would lose then he goes on to decimate them and folks start lying like they doing now. It’s funny because these multiple franchisee player ain’t played at these franchise star level in in multiple series and they got to the finals still. How comes this is never mention when those so called superstars flat out didn’t show up.2015 perfect example and 2018 literally had no superstars and they still made it. I can just name plenty of years when they got challenged like in 12 and 13 and he had to deliver for them to get to the finals. It’s funny Jordan was running through the East yet they weren’t weak then.

@@FireAngelChris that was never a thing . Nobody ever thought lebron would lose ESPECIALLY from 2013-17

@@supremegoesviral9922 The lies you people tell on this here internet

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Right… And they just happen to “work with what they had” in the likes of Shaq, pippen, rodman, paul just to name a few + HOF coach and organisations that actually did things the first time around.

Perfect comment

Exactly

Now ask modern players, which is the basis of the question

The east is weak ever since 2000 & now nobody fear him . His teammates was smashed his moms

Indiana didn't fear Lebron in '13-'14

Only players that ever tried to talk smack to Jordan were usually rookies and they learned fast you don’t.

@@ProjectKaiGarage33 your just commenting to comment. You know that’s not true😂

@@devinsmart1547 exactly. Kerr swung on Jordan first then Jordan swung on him

@@ProjectKaiGarage33 G.P? Reggie Miller? Anthony Mason? Starks? Rodman? lol list goes on

@@mikedenton5829 and what happened when they did. All caught L’s

How is the question damaging to Bron's image?

@@harrymic75 because Stephen A is acting like instilling fear was something good and more desirable than being friendly

Great point, we have snapshots of MJ career and that combined with the nostalgia filter, is a lethal combination to not seeing things clear and talk crazy things from time to time

@@dieselx506 cool story

*Kyle Kuzma Pushes Lebron James to Play Some Defense.* - One of the greatest moments in Nba history. It will remembered for sure. Lol.

PIN THIS!

They swept him tho lmao

Yea and Bird wasn’t Jordan or Lebron 😂😂 try again

@@georgiorussell8705 and so? The Celtics had the better team clealry

@@t.owilson9697 Why would someone with a better team who can approximate MJ's output be afraid of him

You don't think anyone ever trash talked MJ?

@@slimjim9648 OF COURSE THEY DID. BUT IF YOU TRASHED TALKED MJ BE PREPARED TO GET DESTROYED OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY!

facts i was just about to say that

2012 ECF: Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 36 ), Ray Allen ( age 36 ), Paul Pierce ( age 34 ) and Rondo. Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics. *Even Andre Iguodala was able to win 3 games vs the old Celtics team in the 2012 ECSF.* And he didnt have a teammate like D Wade. 2013 ECF: *In 2013, Paul George ( age 22 ) was not yet a superstar, only averaged 17-ppg. FG-42%.* +Post-prime David West and the overrated Roy Hibbert. Still needed 7 games to beat the Pacers. 2018 ECF: Rookie Jason Tatum ( age 19 ), Jalen Brown ( age 21 ) and Al Horford. Still needed 7 games to beat the Celtics.

@@allanhouston3679 lol I notice you didn’t mention how those guys played,their stats and you don’t mention leBron teammates stats. Lol also could it be that these were actually good and that he got challenged by them

@@FireAngelChris now watch this. He uses age to say Boston wasn't good even though they were in the conference finals. But Lebron right now is 37 years old and if he doesn't win they will use his 19 season as reason to knock him. Next he was trying to say Paul George was 22 but lebron was 22 when he took the Cavs to the finals they then use his lost against the spurs against him. Funny how Paul George excuse was he was 22 he wasn't a superstar yet since 2014- 2022 Paul George made the conference finals 2 times the rest are first round exits as a so called superstar. Lol. In between that time Lebron has won 3 championships on 3 different franchises lol also been to 6 finals. Last Boston once again lebron was 22 in the finals and they use the spurs series against him. The point I'm making is the walking hypocrisy and the excuse making and how no player is judge by lebron standards because by self admission they think lebron the Goat. I can apply this same dumb as logic to literally anyone in the NBA. Especially Jordan or kobe

@@brianlarkins4250 lol bro I have said it for years they haters hold LeBron to a standard that’s even above his fans. Basically a standard even beyond what they would think is the Goat. They hold him to all time finals.

Go check up George hill comments doing the 2013 playoffs

Check out DeMar DeRozen's comments on All the Smoke

Go check Draymond calling Kd just to beat lebron.

Check out the 79 win gsw that lost the finals and called KD

@@GreyMann2 The baby raptors 🤣🤣🤣☠

Nervous and fear are two different things

The east players did. The west just ate him and his team alive

Toronto definitely didn't fear LeBron. Demar Derozan and Kyle Lowry had no fear of LeBron

Yeah u right especially when Jason Terry called him out, quote let's see if lebron can guard me

@@RossRadikSherman Bro that Toronto squad is pretty much the most vocal on being intimidated by LeBron. Especially Demar.

Players smile in their sleep the night before they play LeBron

“You heard”

@@SauceManSimpson mmm hmm. Lol. Former NBA players have said it before. Can't remember who right now but they've said it.

Bruh golden state called KD after they already won 73 games. Foh dude

@@Hot33333333 👍

LeBron is a threat to his legacy. Look how many point LeBron score when he play the Bobcats/Hornets. He made sure Jordan saw him 🤣🤣

There’s teams mj beat in the finals wouldn’t even come out the first round in todays nba

When Yu the undisputed best player with the best team and the best two way wing in scottie best defense and rebounding team you should look dominant

@@meechie5797 that first comment is easily the dumbest take i’ve heard this month

He's partially right, but I couldn't get past his screw up about Oakley

@@meechie5797 ignorant comment.

No he didn’t, they were good friends and still are. Oakley bullied rookie Pippen

@@cjjacks33 thank you

Oakley wouldnt be in that wizards team if he bullied michael in the past. You know michael dont forget.

You just blatantly lied lol hate people like you

*Kyle Kuzma Pushes Lebron James to Play Some Defense.* - One of the greatest moments in Nba history. It will remembered for sure. Lol.

Come back with a shaved head and listen to headlines.65-17

How can he fear Mike, when he is not playing anymore?

Why?

Phoney GOAT!

Vernon Maxwell wanted to fight MJ and I guarantee you if MJ would have busted somebody eye like that they would fight him these are men first players 2nd it’s not about MJ vs Bron consider it from a perspective of a response as a man not a ball player

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- unless you are an nba player your opinion is irrelevant

LeBron has still took and made the most game winning and clutch shots in the playoffs. He will pass the ball to a wide open teammate for a wide open shot if that's what is needed but he also will take the shot if needed.

@@slimjim9648 ok mj hit most all time with 9🤷🏽‍♂️

@@yuhgirlamy5731 Actually LeBron has took and made more clutch shots than Jordan or Kobe in the playoffs. I'm a fan of all 3 players before you try to turn this into a LeBron vs MJ argument.

@@slimjim9648 That's a silly stat. Understand context before you give out a stat. In terms of game winners, jordans % is about 50 while lebron is in the 30s. The problem with your playoff stat is that Lebron has been playing for nearly 20 years. Obviously he's gonna have more game winners in the playoffs when he's been in the playoffs more times than seasons jordan has played, not to mention jordan never went to a game 7 in the finals. lebron has played 266 to jordans 179. Your math is just flat out bad here and tbh you're point is irrelevant. Its like the all time scoring leaders. Sure lebron has surpassed jordan in terms of total points, but you have to be stupid to think he's the better scorer. Jordan ppg is higher, and that's including his 2 seasons in Washington. Without those he'd be at about 32 points per game for his career. Context matters.

@@jobin140 You are wasting your time writing a whole book when I already said I'm a fan of Jordan and LeBron. The point I was making to the original comment is that everyone always says LeBron passes up the final shot which is not true. I'm not saying LeBron is more clutch than anyone.

It’s ridiculous bro😂

Interesting, but some would argue that Curry above the 3point line is the most "feared" weapon today.

Curry is definitely feared.

Curry is definitely feared. Which is why he gets picked up at half court

@@seowth steph isn't proper of I think draymond is more

They can fear him all they want, LeBron literally has more Game Winners and more points in the clutch (last 2 minutes in the 4th quarter) than MJ or Kobe.

@@TheBroCouch If you look at the actual stats broken down, shots with 5 seconds or less to tie or the go ahead bucket to win, lebron shoots a a whopping 23%. Jordan in the same scenario? Shoots 49%. Lebron has been around a LONG time. He's bound to have more game winners at this point. But lebron is an absoutely awful shooter. 70% of his shots come from within 3 feet of the basket throughout his career. Lebron shoots less than 37% from outside 3 feet of the basket for his career. It's pathetic.

@@EliVanFleet this is stupid cause lebron isnt a scorer so you can't break it down to shots. Like they said the pistons made jordan who he was lebron came into the League the best player and wasnt really challenged til boston made they big 3

@@EliVanFleet Not in the playoffs...LeBron not only has more game winners, but shoots at a higher percentage...

@@BigCyan Way too change the argument. Lmao. Sit down.

they literally did this yesterday😂

Malice at the Palace took place when Bron was in his second season, these grown big men would have destroyed MJ lol

@@dynamic6645 just an irresponsible thing to say💀

@@sb7816 Imagine Ben Wallace running down to punch MJ in the face like he did to World Peace in 2004 🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥

@@sb7816 Imagine liking your own comment 🤡🤣 Only a Jordan worshiper would do that 🤣👌🏻

I’m a massive LeBron fan and I think he is the GOAT but players that played against Michael called him Jesus in basketball shoes. And in the NBA back then it is was widely known that if you trash talk Michael you are going to pay for it.

MJ23⛹🏿‍♂️➡️🥇6-0🐏 L4br6N➡️😆4-6😆

Nah

@@internet2055 mj23 won his championships against scrub teams compared to the warriors or spurs, and everyone knows it. 😂

@@hehel5163 ewww there where miles better players and teams in the early 90's clown

@@nathangerrard9792 better how though?

Difference between MJ and LeBron is MJ demanded perfection. That's why he's perfect in the finals and LeBron isn't.

Lebron trades teammates

@@jaybreacher4430 underrated comment. Kobe got close, but above 70% in the finals is still incredible.

LeBron critiques his teammates passive aggressively

@@chrismiller755 that’s a fact I forgot to include

There are two players who played when Lebron played and said he doesn’t know what he’s talking about!!! So what are you talking about???

Yeah ok Clifford.

So if you know MJ is the Goat why are YOU paying attention to this LeBron debate? I need an answer Clifford.......

😂😂😂😂😂 JJ is that you

I've stopped listening to this debate for months lol

And Jordan who retired 20 years ago lol

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You're acting like they don't bring up MJ all the time. The media has been worshipping MJ for the past 20 plus years.

The same amount mj had to lose before the finals lol

And better stats and awards

You can say the same about lebron too..

Pretty sure some of the Raptor players admitted it & if they haven't just look at the bench reactions from their last playoff series against Bron

@@hurricanes___6982 you don't hear stories about lebron because he's still playing. When he retires, you will hear those stories come out just like Kobe and M.J

MJ never got outscord by a player on the bench in the Finals. Prime Lebron James got outscored by Jason Terry ( age 33 )- who played less minutes per game. Lol.

Look at lebron stats during them runs without him they wouldn’t have won anything

@@zavierbacote550 that has nothing to do with the above statement. And i can say if he didn't have wade just bosh no ring. If he had k love no kyrie no ring. That's not my point. Lebron numbers always been sharp we know because just like you that's what he solely cares about. Stats and stats dont tell everything. Klay averages 20 but so did wiggins last year and how did the warriors do? Stats don't always tell the tale and basketball is a team game not a individual one like golf. Learn how to play within the team and stop trying to be the hero and fill up the stat sheet and leave some work to your teammates.

How does this make any sense? If anything wouldn’t that make lebron more feared now that he’s on a team that’s more stacked

@@user-vv3zu1bo7n no lol that will make somebody go harder at you why you think rose went hard even tho he lost nobody respected that move even tho they couldn’t beat that “team”. Nobody had a team like Miami. Nobody. It took a 2004 2005 championship spurs team to play a half court game and old school way to knock them off same with Dallas. Took it old school if they wasn’t here nobody I mean nobody was beating that team and it wasn’t just because of Lebron. Lol wade Bosh Lebron? All had they own team going to the playoffs wade had a ring. No team was built like that lol 😂 name me one. Lol I’m waiting. Let rose go against Lebron in Cleveland wade in Miami or bosh in Toronto he busting all they azz his mvp season

@@Lildirt15 did you play in the nba to come up with this? u seem to talk a lot like you did

The raptors definitely feared Lebron. It was known as Lebronto for a reason.

@@SDTheGhost23 the whole leauge fears LeBron that’s y teams create superteams to beat him and he swept my hawks in 2015 himself and he averaged a 35 point triple double

Words from a young kobe "i was told when guarding mike dont look him in the eye" That was the talk around the league at the time. Nuff said.

MJ never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals. Prime Lebron James got outscored by Jason Terry ( age 33 )- who played less minutes per game. Lol.

Niggas ain’t scared of Lebron brah what’s there to be scared of

Shaq was feared...Giannis was never and will never be feared. MJ was very feared. Lebron waw never and will never be feared cause he's not clutch and never was a killer

@@ramataka401 he literally is almost tied with clutch game winning shots with Kobe.. literally like 6 away

@@ramataka401 I think MJ is the goat but lebron is the best basketball player ever because of the era he plays in and the advantages tech and other things play a big role.

@@ramataka401 but saying lebron isn’t a killer or clutch is just factually wrong and stats prove what u said is wrong

@@ramataka401 who feared MJ? the guy was tossed around like little ragdoll and was being punched up by players LMAOOO fk outta here

nobody feared anybody there is no measurements to determine fear

Magic and bird was winning in 80s Jordan was at home watching

@@brianlarkins4250 and they still called him the goat that alone speaks volume

@@jameswatson2507 Bird said Magic is the best he's ever seen after sweeping the Bulls in 1986 😏😏👌🏻👌🏻