Stephen A. Smith: LeBron James can never surpass Michael Jordan | First Take | ESPN 

They never mention MJ's ten scoring titles, 3 x steals leader and Defensive Player of the Year, all of which LeBron doesn't have... Thank you

MJ got his numbers with 6 rings, LeBron is closing in on those numbers with 9 trips to the finals, 3 rings and 6 losses, nothing to compare. MJ is the GOAT 🐐

Jordan got all of his numbers in 13 years. Soak that in.

Are we still talking about this? Somebody go get Chuck to slap some sense into these people.

Jordan averaging 30+ for 7 straight seasons is Insane. You don’t see guys today to that 2 straight years.

Max killed me 😂😂😂 warriors added the 5th infinity stone 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jordan is the GOAT. Prove me wrong.

LeBron is Never Gonna be Like Jordan there's no point. Michael Jordan > LeBron James.

Why do people act like Jordan isn't a great all around player

LMFAOOOO brah how many times they gone discuss this ??

"He has never been as good as Jordan at his best" WELL SAID!!! MJ >LBJ

Stephen A. Smith. You are absolutely correct about LeBron James. I'm not going to pile on. He is great player. Michael Jordan is the greatest to ever play period....

6× NBA champion (Back to Back 3-Peats) 6× NBA Finals MVP 5× NBA Most Valuable Player 10× NBA scoring champion 3× NBA steals leader 14× NBA All-Star 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP 10× All-NBA First Team All-NBA Second Team NBA Defensive Player of the Year 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team NBA Rookie of the Year NBA All-Rookie First Team (2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion) Highest points per game average, Most 50-point games, Most 40-point games, Only player to score 15+ points in every single career playoff game, Only player to record consecutive 50-point games, Most consecutive 45-point games, Most consecutive 20-point games, and Most consecutive 15-point games. REGULAR SEASON: Most seasons leading league in points, Highest points per game average, Most seasons leading league in points per game, Most 30+ point games, Most seasons leading league in field goals made, Most blocks by a guard (career 893), Most blocks by a guard (season 131), One of the only players to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season, One of the only players to lead the league in scoring and steals in the same season. Michael Jordan was the better basketball player statistically and his accolades were more numerous and impressive in light of the statistics. Lebron isn't touching that 10x Scoring Champion....Lebron isn't touching that 3x Steals Leader....Lebron isn't touching that 6x (in a row with back to back 3-peat) Finals MVP. Michael Jeffery Jordan was a better basketball player, and had a better career, than Lebron currently has.

Dog everytime I watched these type vids I always scroll down and get my daily dose of laughter 💯

MJ’s goal was to win in the NBA Finals LeBron’s goal is to go to the NBA Finals

He jumped ships to win titles with 2 other future hall of famers, who at the time where all stars, who at the time were the best players on each of their respective teams and still managed to go 2 of 4 in nba finals

Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 21 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs 17ppg •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons with Chicago •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%

The moment lebron averaged 17ppg and got outplayed by a bench player in 2011 NBA Finals the GOAT discussion ended for good. As Skip Bayless said "The Chosen One became the Frozen One" 🤧🤧

MJ will always be the GOAT. SIMPLE!!!! The only reason MJ doesn't have to beat the better team cuz he was the better team unlike Bron who got his ass Milly rocked by Jason Terry😂🤣 😳

stop it for lebron he is just the greatest fraud in nba

No he won't let's bring up the list why MJ is the actual GOAT: Jordan vs LeBron Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has: •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more offensive help, example: Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring * In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago” •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games. Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games. Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018) •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. •Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy. Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6″ shooting guard. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. MIchael Jordan: •NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg •Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY •Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series: 41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals •Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984-85) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987-88) •Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES. •Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), NBA MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998) •Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season * He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98) •One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986-87) * Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this. •MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice! •In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career… Remind me again...who is the GOAT?

This is a silly debate. Clearly Michael is better. It's not even a close one. But let's go to the facts. Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer lol. •800 more steals •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7) •Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals.. Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games.. All of this accomplished in 13 seasons Lebron was in his 14th season still chasing the "ghost that played in Chicago" •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 STRAIGHT scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs -6 finals MVPs LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan didnt with scrubs on his squad. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP slam dunk title regular season MVP and Defensive Player of the Year something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shooting 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did. All 11 seasons. MJ has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career.

Surpass Kareem, Wilt, Bill Russell, Magic, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant first.

- Lebron got swept in the finals - Lebron has as many finals losses as Kobe has rings lol - Lebron lost back to back finals - Lebron never three peated once, let alone twice in this weak era - Teams celebrated winning a title on lebron's home court on 3 different occasions. ('07, '11, '15) - Lebron lost to a Dwight Howard Magic team with no superstars in 6 games - Lebron been the best player since 2008 according to Lebron fans but he couldn't beat the magic to meet Kobe in the finals - Lebron is so great and goat that he had to leave his team and jump to another team with two franchise superstar players not role players, superstars. - Jumped ship joined two superstars and still lost to a team with one superstar and a bunch of role players past their primes lol - Jason Terry averaged more PPG's in the '11 finals than Lebron, goat lol - Lebron would've lost the 2013 finals if it wasn't for Ray Allen's shot - Lebron loses the finals in the following year by a record margin in 5 games lmaooo but he's the goat lol - Lebron got cramps in San Antonio meanwhile Kobe and Jordan will play till they die basically - Lebron then jumps ship again since he's the goat and so great he bails on Miami and goes back to Cleveland, like talk about loyalty smh - Lebron loses in the 2015 finals where he was in position to win when he was up 2-1 with game 4 in Cleveland with Kyrie being hurt he had the chance to cement his goat status by going up 3-1 but couldn't and lost those finals as well. - 2 years ago if Kyrie doesn't hit the dagger three Golden state wins - Lebron scored 11 points in the 4th quarter in the first 3 games of this years finals - Lebron lost in 5 games again lol - In the biggest stage of them all doesn't matter how many times you made it kids all that matters is if you won it and Lebron's finals record is 2007- L (Swept) 2011- L (Lost in 6 games) 2012- W (Won in 5 games) 2013*- W (Ray Allen's finals winning shot) 2014- L (Lost in 5 games) goat 2015- L (Lost in 6 games) 2016* - W (Kyrie's finals winning shot) 2017- L (Lost in 5 games) goat - Lebron lost back to back finals - Lebron almost three peated in the finals with losses Stop the comparisons with Michael when he's got to catch Kobe first smh. Kids and millennials stats don't tell the whole story in this watered down era of basketball with no physicality, hand checking, true 4 and 5's. Watch you Lebron fans make an excuse for each blunder in his record that I just pointed out lol and never accept the blame lol. He's 3-6 !!!!

LEBRON DOMINATED THE EAST JORDAN DOMINATED THE ENTIRE LEAGUE

Can y’all give Scottie pippen some credit damn Jordan did not win 6 rings by himself smh

LeBron is big and athletic but hes clumsy and travels often and is generally much less skilled when compared to Jordan

MJ is the goat because of his legacy every player after Jordan is in his shadow. Lebron could be better and win more than MJ and it wouldn’t matter because MIchael Jordan’s name has become unanimous with greatest of all time.

If Michael had lost a finals they would've had to sedate him. He wouldve tore that locker room up

Losing to Jason Terry in the finals is unforgivable.

Both are great players. People need to stop comparing the two tho, LBJ will never be better than MJ.

Stephen a Smith you are 100 % correct sir anyone thinks other wise is crazy

Lebron = G.O.T.E. (Greatest of this Era) Jordan = G.O.A.T. (Duh)

Peoples seriously need to stop mentioning how many straight finals did Lebron go to.... Specially when the Out Come is 3-6 🤣🤣😂😂

1:12 Stephen A, so was Kobe 1:15 someone havin trouble breathing?

LeBron is also on Mount Rushmore ranked 3rd for most nba loses in finals history

Winning six rings is better than winning three but also taking your team to the finals 9 times in 15 seasons is better than taking your team to the finals 6 times in 15 seasons.

let's not forget what Jason Terry did to him

Performance enhancing drugs disqualify LeBron from the conversation. We know he's juiced up.

PREACH!!! Stephen A. Smith

Who da hell is Daryl Morey

MJ's defense is so much better than LBJ

Jordan will always be better then LeBron

Lebron can defend all 5 positions... yeah right.. but the real question is.. can he defend effectively and efficiently?? no!!! by god he can’t even defend a midget of a jason terry to save his life!!!! meanwhile MJ at one point is a scoring champ while being the best defensive player of the NBA.. let that sink in for a moment..

Any player who has a goddamn flop compilation video on RU-vid should not be compared to the GOAT . MJ IS THE GOAT.

So losing in the finals is worse than losing earlier in the playoffs? That’s like saying losing in the Super Bowl is worse than losing in the first round. Losing is losing but getting to the championship is an achievement

LeBron is shooting 31 % from 5-9 ft 😂😂😂😂😂😂 King James, more like Brick James😂😂😂😂😂

Well, put!

8 NBA Finals and only 3 Championships. Elementary math right? Are we counting rings or celebrating Finals Losses?

MJ is the only person we considered a Top 10 GOAT that's Undefeated in the finals. Lebron,Kobe,Tim Duncan,Shaq,Bird,Wilt,Bill Russell, Kareem,Magic,Jerry West...etc all lost in the finals at least once. That has to be a great accomplishment

MJ never got swept in the Finals. Thank You very much.

SAS speaking facts. No discussion LeExcuces will never be the GOAT.

My point exactly conversation about the goat is over

They did the same thing with Kobe. And now it's LeBron. Why can't we all just appreciate greatness and what MJ and LeBron has done for basketball instead of having these silly opinion based arguments

Preach!!!

Jordan is just more fun to watch as well, his style with the ball in his hand is unmatched. Not to mention, he played in the golden era of big men against Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq, Robinson etc

Not to mention the NBA that Jordan played in was extremely rougher, tougher, and non-soft. You didn't have guys flopping all over the place and the refs refusing to call a traveling violation when players take 3-5 steps to the basket.

They all forget about Kobe

"ultimate assassin" I like that...

I’m sick of this debate. As someone who grew up watching MJ, and seeing him come up big in clutch moments time after time, it’s frankly an insult to say Lebron is the GOAT. The only time Lebron did something in a truly big moment was the block in the finals against my Warriors. That’s about it. Offensively, Lebron was never clutch, at least, not from what I remember. If anything, he would choke constantly, and walk off the court with his head down. I never remember MJ doing that, because he never lost in the finals. Just as Stephen A said, that’s the difference. The titles and the consistent two-way player MJ was will always be appreciated more.

Millennials, listen to what this man is saying. He speaks the truth.

All I know is : JORDAN NEVER QUIT IN A FINALS GAME. Get at me, haters.

My question is this: Why do we keep having this debate? why does this keep coming up? Who over at sportcenter or ESPN is generating these types of debates? Who is the Director or top Management that is saying : "Continue to talk about who is the GOAT?". I believe... and I could be wrong , but this is all designed to Generate Revenue...to keep the audience constantly engaged , to profit from fueling gossip... Again, I could be wrong but someone or something is deciding that these debates will continue to happen year in and year out.

Facts

ITS FACTS THO. JORDAN’S INFLUENCE ON THE GAME OF BASKETBALL IS GREATER THAN LEBRON.

Hey Bron fans, I have one question. Can LeBron James stop Jason Terry?

EXACTLY !

Mentioning MJ is the only relevant way to keep LBJ' s name amongst the greats, but in no way can he ever be on MJ's level.

If we talking who's better rings shouldn't matter. We should be talking about who was better player when they step foot on basketball court. That should be the conservation.

The numbers speak for themselves....Jordan is the G.O.A.T.

Imma have hope

MJ, period.

thank you steven A

Idc if it take 15 more years, he's a tremendous athlete but passing a legend record will never make him G.O.A.T.

Great points Steven A!

Thank you Stephen A. Smith! Only one closest to MJ was Kobe Bryant!

THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER JORDAN AND DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE AT HIS BEST OR BE BETTER THAN JORDAN. HE WENT TO THE HEAT TO WIN BUT LOST AGAINST THE MAVS. CUT IT OUT YALL. LEBRON WILL NOT EVER BE BETTER THAN JORDAN. TWO DIFFERENT ERAS AND TODAYS NBA IS VERY SOFT FOR REAL. STEVEN A SMITH SAID IT ALL RIGHT

MJ all day 🔥

What was that in 1:16?

Jordan was the perfect player. Athleticism, fundamentals, footwork, jump shot, tecnique, leadership and competitiveness. I agree with Steven a. Smith when he says with Jordan there was no questions. With LeBron there have been many questions.

Comparing Lebron to Jordan is the equivalent of comparing Justin Bieber to Michael Jackson. Both are blasphemous statements that only people who have 0 knowledge about the subject will believe.

Facts are facts.......LeBron is a beast but I'll take Jordan down 3 with 4 seconds left.......defense off the chain

I agree with Steven a

Stephen A literally explained exactly why I still have Mj #1 all time and Lebron finishing at #2 and that's taking into consideration the things he might still do for anyone feeling he should be #3 behind Kareem at this point.

love how bron's flaws are highlighted and jordans are snipped out... Bron is a way better overall player as well as a more efficient player

JORDAN even beats LeBron in shoes 👟 deals!

Mj never played a zone defense. Sure there was hand checking, but with the style the nba was being played at the time, zone defense would have definitely affected MJ’s numbers🤷🏿‍♂️. And people act like it didn’t take mj quite a while to reach the finals when lebron took the cavs with ilgauskas as the second best player deep into the playoffs in his second season. Oh and don’t say lebron isn’t clutch or that he doesn’t rise up to the occasion because he leads mj and Kobe in go ahead shots in the playoffs .

Good

my question in this debate is; Jordan could beat 6 time the golden state with that Cleveland roster, there are a lot of variables that make the debate imposible to compare

jordan his record in the first round without scottie is 1-9 i'll just leave this here stephen a !

The best LeBron can be is at the bottom part of the top 10 all time list.. Period!!!

I thought they re-uploaded a old video for a second lol

Ayo..Members from the Lebron Cult...I'm gonna name a few things Mike has done that your beloved idol has never done! MJ started in the NBA All-Star game AS A ROOKIE (Lebron just played in the rising stars game), 6 titles (Lebron has 6 losses, oh btw don't you fukn dare bring up Russell, they LITERALLY HAD 8 NBA TEAMS TOTAL), NBA Defensive Player of the Year (Lebron = 0), NBA Steals leader 3X (Lebron =0), 10X Scoring Champ (Lebron = 1)! Before winning his 1st title MJ was facing an ALL-TIME GREAT Celtics team with 4-5 HOF'ers and another ALL-TIME GREAT Pistons team with 3-4 HOF'ers IN THE EAST (Perhaps TWO SUPERTEAMS??), Who was the TOUGHEST team Lebron has seen in the EAST? An AGING Celtics team with their BIG 3, a team he had to join the Miami Heat to beat or is it the Damn Orlando Magic led by Dwight Howard that knocked his ass out WITH A CAST THAT YOU WOULD SAY IS TRASH HAD THEY'VE BEEN ON LEBRON'S TEAM? Fuck analytics, shit is cute for some numbers dweeb but if you know REALLY know basketball, it's not a fukn debate. It's MJ hands down!

Mj the goat

Watching highlights of Micheal Jordan and actually watching him play live was totally different. LeBron will never surpass Micheal Jordan.

Nick Wright and Ryan Hollins say LeBron is better....with that information alone, we can all say MJ is better

This is always a stupid debate..., you can list all of MJ's accomplishments and LBJ;'s and MJ will come out ahead. But, MJ is not playing now, LBJ is, so I will enjoy watching him just as I enjoyed watching MJ. When LBJ's career is over, we can then look back and see if he achieved what MJ did, if he doesn't, I don't really care. If I get to live to see him retire, I will be thankful that I was able to see two of the greatest players play the game. The only reason this is a "Thing", is either because a lot of individuals don't like LBJ or they don't like MJ. Or, because commentators like SAS get to tell everyone why they think someone else is better than someone else. In the end, it is all about preference for a lot of individuals.

What Lebron did in the east Jordan did to the league. At the end of the day Jordan is the GOAT and Lebron is a buckling (young male goat)!!

Michael Jordan is the greatest that ever played the game he opened up doors for people like LeBron and Kobe to do what they're doing right at this moment if there was never a Jordan there will never be a LeBron or Kobe because the level of greatness that Jordan had touch players like LeBron and Kobe

Stephen A forgot to mention defensive 3 seconds that was implemented in 2000/2001 to allow for more scoring and the paint parts like the Red Sea to have more open lanes.